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#30421 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 16 August 2022 - 07:14 PM

Neither of them can officially talk about it. But, its likely if you were to talk to them on a personal level they would be able to tell what they actually think. From heresy I have heard over the years VA's have willing offered their displeasure over the ending; if they are talking to fans with no cameras. 

 

But even in official interviews its not like Kishimoto has ever shown to particularly like the end pairings.

 

Amen. He's been trying to justify them, but you don't see him approving of them or liking them realistically.



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Posted 17 August 2022 - 12:32 AM

And this is why Ive grown to love Tolkiens works even more as the man put his whole life into making a whole history of Arda.

This even goes with the tale of Beren and Lúthien which is a very sweet but also very sad. I wont go into but this shows how better Tolkien is at doing romance.

The sad fact is Kishi unlike Tolkien who told the Natizs to kitten off in his own way look it up on YouTube it is funny had more balls than Kishi ever will.

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Posted 17 August 2022 - 10:28 PM

From the various quotes and heresay I've heard over the years. She is a Sakura supporter and probably close with Chie.

 

Yes, she did support NS but this is a post-ending interview and having the main character's VA say she would prefer someone else end up with a her character especially once the backlash hit looks bad. Look at Mark Hamill pre and post Last Jedi's own backlash. He didn't like the Force Awaken as well as he hated the destruction to the franchise Rian wrought to its fine everyone should like it. So she was likely told to keep her mouth shut.

 

Anything is better than what we got.

 

She was the apprentice the current 5th Hokage and teammate to the two that were in the top running. She was strong while likely being good a paperwork means she would be able to handle the administration work; add in her character traits and she would likely make a good leader.

right i don't doubt she'd make a great hokage and leader it's more her still getting hate for that if she was chosen. cause i could see naruto having her being hokage if something happened to him



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Posted 19 August 2022 - 01:02 AM

right i don't doubt she'd make a great hokage and leader it's more her still getting hate for that if she was chosen. cause i could see naruto having her being hokage if something happened to him


Oh yeah.

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 02:34 PM

Oh yeah.

who better to have it 



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Posted 20 August 2022 - 08:42 AM

Its my 35th birthday.

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 09:22 AM

Its my 35th birthday.

 

Happy birthday, dude!



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Posted 20 August 2022 - 01:02 PM

Its my 35th birthday.

 

Happy Birthday  :D


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Posted 21 August 2022 - 04:18 PM

And this is why Ive grown to love Tolkiens works even more as the man put his whole life into making a whole history of Arda.
This even goes with the tale of Beren and Lúthien which is a very sweet but also very sad. I wont go into but this shows how better Tolkien is at doing romance.
The sad fact is Kishi unlike Tolkien who told the Natizs to kitten off in his own way look it up on YouTube it is funny had more balls than Kishi ever will.

Tolkien also had so much more world building even with doing a massive series like The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. And he stuck to his guns, something Kishimoto couldn't do since I still say his dad's death and his own exhaustion led him to give up,

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 04:36 PM

Happy birthday

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 10:49 PM

Its my 35th birthday.

happy birthday buddy



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Posted 21 August 2022 - 10:53 PM

Tolkien also had so much more world building even with doing a massive series like The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. And he stuck to his guns, something Kishimoto couldn't do since I still say his dad's death and his own exhaustion led him to give up,

at least the tolkein fans stand together when someone messes with tolkein shame the naruto fans or other fandoms can't do that



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Posted 21 August 2022 - 11:43 PM

Tolkien also had so much more world building even with doing a massive series like The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. And he stuck to his guns, something Kishimoto couldn't do since I still say his dad's death and his own exhaustion led him to give up,

The funny thing is, that Tolkien did all of this in his free time. He wasn't even a writer full time, but you're right, he did stick to his guns, while he didn't believe anyone was born evil, he knew when someone went down a dark path that there was no coming back from. I do think he would have hated Naruto, he would feel that Kishi was pushing the friendship of Naruto and Sasuke too hard without showing us why they are friends.

 

 

Tolkien would have asked why Naruto, Kakashi, and Sakura care so much for Sasuke, when it was never shown they were friends, and how much Kishi tried to make us feel sorry for the Uchiha clan. I see him saying. "It was their own decisions that have led them down their own doom."

 

at least the tolkein fans stand together when someone messes with tolkein shame the naruto fans or other fandoms can't do that

The Naruto fandom, well the Hinata fandom only ever wanted Hinata to be happy, and sadly SP went with them. Sadly we do need to keep fighting with what the Woke are doing to the world Tolkien created.
 



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Posted 22 August 2022 - 11:46 PM

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Posted 27 August 2022 - 06:31 PM

And this is why Ive grown to love Tolkiens works even more as the man put his whole life into making a whole history of Arda.

This even goes with the tale of Beren and Lúthien which is a very sweet but also very sad. I wont go into but this shows how better Tolkien is at doing romance.

The sad fact is Kishi unlike Tolkien who told the Natizs to kitten off in his own way look it up on YouTube it is funny had more balls than Kishi ever will.

Even though I can not get through anything by Tolkien I do respect his work for these kinds of reasons. You can tell the care he put into his craft which, honestly, sometimes I wish Moorcock put that same level into his works at times.

 

And as for the VAs, once again it's always going to be a matter of professionalism. Unless there's a lot of backlash to the ending, like Gundam SEED Destiny (with Shinn's VA) or Gundam IBO (McGillis) levels, it's frowned upon in the industry to talk smack about the production as it will be seen as disrespectful to everyone else who worked on it. Until the franchise is dead and buried, best we can hope for is off-the-cuff comments.


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Posted 28 August 2022 - 07:09 PM

Since I think some of y'all will find this interesting, I'm going to bring it up.

 

Fire Emblem Three Houses discourse has fired up once again in the wake of Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes being released. It's a spin-off game that branches out into a set of alternate timelines where Byleth doesn't become a teacher due to the arrival of a new MC. It...has been controversial to say the lease because of these alternate routes and the stories they tell.

 

In Japan, the game has a huge discount on Amazon Japan despite only coming out two months ago. Some Japanese fans, ones who knew about the liberties taken with the English script, are accusing the creators of pandering to the West, who going by social media took away quite a different understanding of the story than those in Japan (and some other countries as well, like South Korea). Houses's made up a lot of it's sales in America for the record.

 

Honestly makes me more curious than ever if the Western fans are blamed over there for what happened to Naruto.


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Posted 28 August 2022 - 09:09 PM

Since I think some of y'all will find this interesting, I'm going to bring it up.

 

Fire Emblem Three Houses discourse has fired up once again in the wake of Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes being released. It's a spin-off game that branches out into a set of alternate timelines where Byleth doesn't become a teacher due to the arrival of a new MC. It...has been controversial to say the lease because of these alternate routes and the stories they tell.

 

In Japan, the game has a huge discount on Amazon Japan despite only coming out two months ago. Some Japanese fans, ones who knew about the liberties taken with the English script, are accusing the creators of pandering to the West, who going by social media took away quite a different understanding of the story than those in Japan (and some other countries as well, like South Korea). Houses's made up a lot of it's sales in America for the record.

 

Honestly makes me more curious than ever if the Western fans are blamed over there for what happened to Naruto.

Your being light on details. What liberties and what are the Japanese complaining about?

 

The game director/writer of three houses/hopes seems to have the worse luck at trying to connect what he wants the story to be about, to how the players understand it. From what I understand three hopes is a lighter and softer story as school ended sooner preventing some of the problems that the later parts had on two lords. Demetri (who as more romantic fanfic about him than any lord) and Edelgard (who you have complained about before) two very popular characters aren't as damaged after the time skip. The story is suppose to show that while yes they look better off their issues aren't being address and therefor not being solved. So the conflict will persist and nothing will truly be solved. Compared to what you said the true ending is the silver snow one where Byleth ends up ruler of a united kingdom with a sane Lady Rhea reforming the church. So what are they complaining about? Does the lighter softer tone make it better that Byleth didn't come and this problems weren't brought up or something else? Are they complaining about no S ranks? Are they complaining about no golden path?

 

Yes, of course Naruto's ending was for the Western audience. Hinata was not that popular in Japan. She was perceived to be popular in the West(US.)


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 August 2022 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 01:11 AM

Hopes isn't really lighter and softer. The director said that they didn't want to invalidate the stories of Houses, so the three routes in Hopes aren't exactly the best case scenarios. Dimitri's mental stability doesn't shatter, sure, but that was a major part of his growth. In his route in Hopes, he becomes a warrior king rather than being given the title of savior king by the masses. Claude's route is the antithesis of how he grew in Verdant Wind and while Edelgard might seem nicer in this game, changes made to the scenario undermine the idea that she's after anything but conquest and her army is incredibly brutal as they kill everyone who doesn't bend the knee to her. Rhea is supposedly more supported in Japan than Edelgard, but two out of the three routes end with Rhea being dead. Byleth is also popular, but they got sidelined for the new MC and didn't get any sort of arc (unless the player isn't able to recruit them, then they become an antagonist who kills an ally). And all of these routes effectively end on cliff-hangers, never coming to a real conclusion.

 

In Japan, Claude's fans are pissed they gave him a villain route and turned him into Edelgard. Dimitri is the most popular lord because of his character arc, and him not losing allies but at the same time never becoming as good as he could have been is seen as an insult. They're upset how the game tries to shill Edelgard even more by making her softer, while Rhea got completely screwed over. They're angry because unlike most musou games, these routes are being treated as just as canonical. They're upset because Edelgard and Claude's imperialism isn't presented as bad, Chinese fans even saying someone on the writing team must be a sympathizer of the Japanese far-right. They're also calling out releasing this in light of the situation in Ukraine, especially since the same studio put the Advance Wars rerelease on indefinite hiatus because of it.

 

As for the liberties? The English version of Houses made Claude more jokey. In Japan, Rhea emotes and it's heartbreaking in Crimson Flower while in English, her VA was directed to always sound like she's just barely holding back snapping. Edelgard's voice sounds cuter in Japan, because her being the red emperor is supposed to be a huge shock. In English, Edelgard sounds a lot more matter of fact, with her cutesy moments feeling like the shock (or in essence, they reversed her gap moe). There were lines that were removed like Edelgard using an information campaign to control her people, or altered.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 01:54 PM

 

Amen. He's been trying to justify them, but you don't see him approving of them or liking them realistically.

Honestly, He doesn't really justify them.  He's made false statements such as that he "had them planned from the beginning" but, he's also admitted that the NaruHina pairing was a form of pity prize for Hinata. When asked why Sakura is so fixated on Sasuke in spite of what he's done to her or what even attracted her to him in the first place, he pretty much shrugged his shoulders about it and called it an "addiction". Heck, he said in the same interview that "he" doesn't understand why she remains obsessed with Sasuke, even though he's the damn writer. :confused: He even expressed the possibility of the two of them getting a divorce someday, and did so without prompting.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 02:30 PM

Hopes isn't really lighter and softer. The director said that they didn't want to invalidate the stories of Houses, so the three routes in Hopes aren't exactly the best case scenarios. Dimitri's mental stability doesn't shatter, sure, but that was a major part of his growth. In his route in Hopes, he becomes a warrior king rather than being given the title of savior king by the masses. Claude's route is the antithesis of how he grew in Verdant Wind and while Edelgard might seem nicer in this game, changes made to the scenario undermine the idea that she's after anything but conquest and her army is incredibly brutal as they kill everyone who doesn't bend the knee to her. Rhea is supposedly more supported in Japan than Edelgard, but two out of the three routes end with Rhea being dead. Byleth is also popular, but they got sidelined for the new MC and didn't get any sort of arc (unless the player isn't able to recruit them, then they become an antagonist who kills an ally). And all of these routes effectively end on cliff-hangers, never coming to a real conclusion.

 

In Japan, Claude's fans are pissed they gave him a villain route and turned him into Edelgard. Dimitri is the most popular lord because of his character arc, and him not losing allies but at the same time never becoming as good as he could have been is seen as an insult. They're upset how the game tries to shill Edelgard even more by making her softer, while Rhea got completely screwed over. They're angry because unlike most musou games, these routes are being treated as just as canonical. They're upset because Edelgard and Claude's imperialism isn't presented as bad, Chinese fans even saying someone on the writing team must be a sympathizer of the Japanese far-right. They're also calling out releasing this in light of the situation in Ukraine, especially since the same studio put the Advance Wars rerelease on indefinite hiatus because of it.

 

As for the liberties? The English version of Houses made Claude more jokey. In Japan, Rhea emotes and it's heartbreaking in Crimson Flower while in English, her VA was directed to always sound like she's just barely holding back snapping. Edelgard's voice sounds cuter in Japan, because her being the red emperor is supposed to be a huge shock. In English, Edelgard sounds a lot more matter of fact, with her cutesy moments feeling like the shock (or in essence, they reversed her gap moe). There were lines that were removed like Edelgard using an information campaign to control her people, or altered.

It comes off as lighter and softer but by ignoring a person problems prevent them from being solved thus preventing true growth and solutions.  A similar thing in Naruto, "yes it nice that Naruto got together with Hinata like the "fans" wanted but he didn't focus on fixing the ninja system, and now his son is have to repeat the conflict again." Three hopes is what the three lords wanted to do before meeting Byleth while three houses shows the changes s/he caused while they under her tutorship.

 

Rhea from what I've seen is as close to the true pairing as possible in three houses just like Chrom and Robin. In Heroes, they have a pairing character that normally reserved for lords and their intended love interest. https://feheroes.fan...Fell_Star's_Duo However, her path is seen as the failed state for the black eagles path. Since the Edelgard path can be inaccessible if you failed to meet certain requirements while Rhea's can always be accessed. It needed to be the opposite for US fans to get that was the true path. Like Digimon Survive, three karma routes the first time and unable to assess the true path until new game plus. So this pairing does not have much support in the West. I don't think her always on the verge of snapping had as much effect as the path problem.

 

Edelgard as you have complained about is very popular lord that many players get behind because they agree with her world view (death to religion & conquer/kill everyone who disagrees with you as you as more virtuous than them.) In three houses she at least has to think about how she will rule due to Byleth acting as her morality chain, while in hopes everything goes her way from the start. Since, apparently, her goal of the bandit attack at the start was to get rid of the old professor. So, she could put Jeralt in as a replacement. So, he would assign her house to missions she wants. Like saving that one student that apparently was her other number two beside Hubert. As for her cuteness was suppose to make it shocking that she was the flame emperor and her serious attitude ruined the surprise, ok. The propaganda to control her people being removed is probably more damning than her not being cute enough.

 

Dimitri is probably more popular with female fans than Edelgard as he is the hurting damage bad-boy that only they could fix. Despite that some would also want him to never go over the edge so he could be 'happy.' 

 

Claude is probably the least popular of the three lords, but not unlike, just a very distant third place. His time with his professor made him question the state of the realm and realize there was something going on behind the scenes. So, he supports his professor becoming the ruler of the united kingdom and tries to investigate. Him not spending a year questioning/wondering decide it was best to overthrow Rhea to fix the system as she seems to be the root of the problem. I don't think him becoming less serious effected as much as the other two just being more popular.

 

I thought you said the Japanese why suddenly bring up the Chinese?

Anytime Japanese games touch on war it always becomes about their imperialisms. 

 

Honestly, He doesn't really justify them.  He's made false statements such as that he "had them planned from the beginning" but, he's also admitted that the NaruHina pairing was a form of pity prize for Hinata. When asked why Sakura is so fixated on Sasuke in spite of what he's done to her or what even attracted her to him in the first place, he pretty much shrugged his shoulders about it and called it an "addiction". Heck, he said in the same interview that "he" doesn't understand why she remains obsessed with Sasuke, even though he's the damn writer. :confused: He even expressed the possibility of the two of them getting a divorce someday, and did so without prompting.

Kishi original went on that Sakura wasn't popular and he went with Hinata to please the fans; he also hated SS. It was later on he went with always intended.


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