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[catsi563]

gaara would but the other kages have no such inhibitions.

surely the tsuchikage may or may not have a hissy fit when he discovers narutos parentage. The mizukage has no connection either way, and the raikage may respect what hes trying but hes first and foremost a kage and looking out for his villages interests.

by exposing Naruto as the source of all their problems and by giving him to madara as a way to ensure peace madara makes naruto into a martyr for peace.

in effect a living human sacrafice

[dl316bh]

Madara just took a deep fry bath in a typical villain cliche. Revealing his evil plan to all the heroes and all.

There are few things as classic as a good old villain monologue. I miss them. They were always good for campy fun.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I just don't by it. Sorry Cats, i JUST can't see, if that what he is doing. I know, Garra wouldn't let the others use Naruto like that. Plus, I am still with Harry on this .

[Cupcake-chan]

tch, I really have to stop reading spoilers, 'cause I'm never satisfied by them. Once again, it'll be a boring chapter.

[ciardha]

There are few things as classic as a good old villain monologue. I miss them. They were always good for campy fun.

Yeah and this eye of the moon plan isn't going to involve anything about Naruto- I'm not even following where that idea even comes from...

It's going to be some wacked out rambling insanity about the greatness of the Uchiha clan and how he should rule the world, etc... Then after he tells him his nutzo plan he'll say something like "and to bring this about I'm going to kill all of you" (standard supervillian plot)

And if Kishimoto follows the standard plotline Naruto will then burst into the room with Kakashi and Yamato (and hopefully Sakura too). Naruto shouting out "Oh no you won't" Naruto saves the Kages but Madara gets away with Zetsu the still unconscious Sasuke.

[Dreamer]

I agree with Ciardha that the Eye of the Moon plan has nothing to do with discrediting Naruto.

The plan really has something to do with linking Sasuke to Gedo Mazo, while Madara has full control over Sasuke by using his EMS that contains the MS manipulation ability to control Sasuke's mind while linked to Gedo Mazo (Sasuke being the host of Gedo Mazo by being connected directly to it with the chakra rods) which has the power of almost all the bijuus and plus it's own abilities making it a perfect Doomsday weapon.

It wouldn't even make sense with Gaara being Naruto's best friend (saving his life and from Gaara's self) and Raikage would have respect for Naruto since he is a Jinchuuriki and Raikage would remember the hard times his brother Killer Bee went through life growing up as a Jinchuuriki and Danzou being the Hokage wouldn't let Naruto his tool/weapon of Konoha as he see Naruto be count as a trader by the other Kages or if Tsunade came back she would defend Naruto as well. I'm also pretty sure they would trust Naruto since he dealt with Pain and other Akatsuki members.

We all know Mizukage is gonna go super fan girl cougar on Naruto and the only one I see potentially going against Naruto is Tsuchikage.

[Codus N]

To make it clearer, it's like this.... when Madara tells his eye of the moon plan, Madara will give rather obvious hints that he'll be using Sasuke for his plan. & give more hints that plan will endanger the world. Since Sasuke is an important piece of the plan, The kages will demand Naruto's responsibility or even worse his death because he's been too lenient on Sasuke since the beginning. They will think that if Konoha had been serious on Sasuke's matter, it would prevent Madara's Eye of the Moon plan being carried out. But, this is where Sakura comes in.... I'm pretty sure Gaara knows about the POAL since Shikamaru might have told Temari about it... if he were to explain it, it would be awkward. So, this is where Sakura comes into play (if not, Temari would be the one to do the explaining) If they learn of the POAL, the Mizukage would start supporting Naruto like I've said before & if Raikage's soft side gets to him, he just might support Naruto. Gaara's already his biggest supporter so there's no need to worry. The problem would be Tsuchikage.....

[Nawheetos]

^lenience on Sasuke would be blamed on the Hokage, there's no way the Kages would blame it on a genin, whether he held any responsibility for it or not.

I'd quite like to see the Tsuchikage throwing a hissy fit over his parentage though... but I can also see it going a more respectful way (he was a worthy oponant and had my respect blah blah).

I wonder if the Kages will decide Naruto is their last great weapon. Madara stated he wanted a match-up between Sasuke and Naruto so I can see him trying to manipulate that... he's you're only hope of beating us or some such. That would give a reason for some kind of training, ie. learning to control your friendly tenant (possibly with the Cloud nin, which would be awesome). Or something like that - more pressure on Naruto, either way, and then the rookies get to stand alongside him to live up to what Sai said and etc. I'm getting carried away...

I'm looking forward to reading this chapter, and the next. I can't guess what Madara's special plan is, though him appearing to rescue Sasuke was no great surprise. Glad Kishi didn't have Sasuke beating all the kages, just escaping them, otherwise it would have been silly.

[Miss Soupy]

To make it clearer, it's like this.... when Madara tells his eye of the moon plan, Madara will give rather obvious hints that he'll be using Sasuke for his plan. & give more hints that plan will endanger the world. Since Sasuke is an important piece of the plan, The kages will demand Naruto's responsibility or even worse his death because he's been too lenient on Sasuke since the beginning. They will think that if Konoha had been serious on Sasuke's matter, it would prevent Madara's Eye of the Moon plan being carried out. But, this is where Sakura comes in.... I'm pretty sure Gaara knows about the POAL since Shikamaru might have told Temari about it... if he were to explain it, it would be awkward. So, this is where Sakura comes into play (if not, Temari would be the one to do the explaining) If they learn of the POAL, the Mizukage would start supporting Naruto like I've said before & if Raikage's soft side gets to him, he just might support Naruto. Gaara's already his biggest supporter so there's no need to worry. The problem would be Tsuchikage.....

I have to disagree. Sasuke is probably important for the plan, but only as a tool to get to Naruto. So I agree in part, but I don't agree that the kages would demand for Naruto's death. Why would Naruto and Konoha be blamed? Naruto and Sakura attempted to get Sasuke back but failed. Konoha has been after retrieving Sasuke. Sasuke has shown he is very strong and if Konoha couldn't capture him, why should they be held responsible? The only thing the Kages will do is demand for Sasuke to be killed. This is what will put Naruto at odds with them. Naruto is strong because he has people backing him. If Konoha is put in a position where they will not back him, including the rookies, he will lose a lot of his strength. This will single Naruto out and make it easier for him to be captured by Madara. Having Sasuke on his side is the biggest leverage he could have (save for Sakura) on getting Naruto to do what he wishes.

But, that's just my guess~

[Codus N]

@Downsendroad: True, but what if their networks finds that it was Naruto's influence on Tsunade that made Konoha so lenient on Sasuke? In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Raikage who pointed that out since Samui may have asked the villagers about Naruto & the conversation gets to Sasuke and Samui told the Raikage about Naruto's "leniency" during their report briefing. Since the Raikage is too emotional right now, he wouldn't even want to listen to Naruto.
@Miss Soupy: Sure, Naruto & Sakura tried numerous attempts, but the kages would point that Konoha could've gone & hunted Sasuke down while he was training.(assuming they collected information on this) If they had eliminated a Nuke-nin from the beginning, which is imperative to do for every village. They could also point that it was still possible to kill Sasuke back then when he wasn't as strong as he is now.

[Miss Soupy]

@Miss Soupy: Sure, Naruto & Sakura tried numerous attempts, but the kages would point that Konoha could've gone & hunted Sasuke down while he was training.(assuming they collected information on this) If they had eliminated a Nuke-nin from the beginning, which is imperative to do for every village. They could also point that it was still possible to kill Sasuke back then when he wasn't as strong as he is now.

Eh, the only one they could point fingers at is Tsunade, and she is in a coma. Sasuke was with Orochimaru, a dangerous ninja himself who had recently killed the hokage. How could the kages say Konoha was not looking for Oro? You are making it seem like konoha could have easily taken Sasuke + Oro out if they wished but just didn't because of Naruto's feelings. That isn't the case. They, for one, didn't know where he was, and once they did know Tsunade allowed Naruto and Sakura to try one last time to bring Sasuke back. At that point, Sasuke was not part of Akatsuki, and konoha didn't really know what his plans were. Even more, had Konoha known where Sasuke was and also known they could kill him and yet didn't, why would the blame fall upon Naruto? He is not a leader of a village, he is a teenager. Think about how the kages look upon Gaara who is so young. He even isn't treated quite the same, and he IS a leader. So no, I don't think the other countries have a habit of blaming and killing kids for things like that.

[Codus N]

hmm, I understand your points & they ARE valid but, they would probably feel that if it wasn't for Naruto, they could've tried much harder. They would feel that Tsunade was holding back, just because of Naruto. i'm sure Madara will point this out.... & it seems you didn't pay attention to my reply to Downsendroad

[ciardha]

hmm, I understand your points & they ARE valid but, they would probably feel that if it wasn't for Naruto, they could've tried much harder. They would feel that Tsunade was holding back, just because of Naruto. i'm sure Madara will point this out.... & it seems you didn't pay attention to my reply to Downsendroad

Newkerz, your plot guess just doesn't make sense for this manga, that's what people are trying to tell you. Kishimoto just doesn't write plotlines like that. Naruto, will come out as even more a hero, just look at the Pain arc. I saw some people at the beginning of that arc that guessed Naruto would become so hated by the people of Konoha they would want to sacrifice him to Pain, and that had more plausibility as a plot guess than yours, but it didn't happen, instead the people rallied behind Naruto and literally cheered him on, and celebrated his victory, he is so beloved in Konoha now, the citizens want him as Hokage. No, it's far more likely Madara's ultimate plan is some wacked out thing involving the "denied greatness" of the Uchiha clan, and using the captured bijuu to exact his plan of vengeance and domination over the world. Once he tells his plan he'll then tell the Kage they'll have to die. Naruto will arrive at that point and cause Madara to have to leave with Zetsu and a still unconscious Sasuke. Naruto will come out of this even more a hero, and one step closer to his plan of changing the world so that there is peace between all the countries. He already has Gaara in his corner and the Mizukage has shown strong inclinations of wishing peace, add her cougar tendencies to that and she's going to back him. The Tsuchikage will make skeptical remarks but be curious about this kid, the Raikage we know will be the be an obstacle, Mifune (Iron Country's samurai leader- Shogun?) though might be inclined to listen to Naruto.

Edited by ciardha, 01 October 2009 - 03:24 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

hmm, I understand your points & they ARE valid but, they would probably feel that if it wasn't for Naruto, they could've tried much harder. They would feel that Tsunade was holding back, just because of Naruto. i'm sure Madara will point this out.... & it seems you didn't pay attention to my reply to Downsendroad

I didn't read it because it wasn't addressed to me. Either way, Tsunade being lenient towards Naruto by no means validates a death warrant for Naruto by the kages. The kages are set in their ways, yes, and most of them are like grumpy old men. That doesn't mean they will collectively make hasty decisions like wanting to kill Naruto, someone they don't personally know, nor truly in the great scheme of things, care that much about currently. The point of the summit is to decide how to stop akatsuki, NOT to start a war with one another (which wanting to kill Naruto could do). It doesn't just revolve around Sasuke, he is just one out of the whole organization. Like others have said, your theory doesn't seem very likely.

[Codus N]

I guess I should've put it in a better way.... I KNOW the kages wouldn't put a death warrant on Naruto... but if it were a worst case scenario that would be it. I was just trying to describe the Kages's feeling on the matter. If I were them, I might consider that, in my heart I would put a death warrant on him.

[Dreamer]

The only question that's on the Kages minds (except Hokage) is how Danzou became the Hokage and why the people of Konoha chose him.

[Derock]

The only question that's on the Kages minds (except Hokage) is how Danzou became the Hokage and why the people of Konoha chose him.

They didn't, yet. He isn't officially Hokage until the Jounins vote, which they won't until there is some scheme Danzou starting to plot.

[Dreamer]

They didn't, yet. He isn't officially Hokage until the Jounins vote, which they won't until there is some scheme Danzou starting to plot.

The other Kages may not know about Danzou not actually being the Hokage (except maybe Gaara), which is why I brought it up.

[ciardha]

The other Kages may not know about Danzou not actually being the Hokage (except maybe Gaara), which is why I brought it up.

The Raikage would likely know too as Omoi, Samui, and Karui were in the village and probably overheard that his being Hokage hadn't been voted on yet.