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[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't know what you mean, I'm not trying anything at all.

Must be my imagination. I just skim some and almost feel like we're trying to convince ourselves. Sigh. Too much OPM...

[Liu bie]

Don't know what you mean, I'm not trying anything at all.

Second to this

[PhenixElite]

 

Yeah killing someone to "save" them was pretty stupid of Sakura (One of the reasons I don't like her) but going by canon she did it because she didn't want to see him fall into darkness, she was willing to be hated by Naruto for that. 

LOL, Hinata is a meat shield I agree, but I was just saying that both her and Sakura "worked harder" than Naruto....

Funny i remeber Sakura doing exactly nothing other then using Naruto to get Sasuke. All Hinata did to get Naruto was stalking him and neji playing matchmaker. Naruto on the other hand made a promise and sacrificed his own happyness for Sakuras sake.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Must be my imagination. I just skim some and almost feel like we're trying to convince ourselves. Sigh. Too much OPM...

We can belive anything we want, it doesnt change canon facts and level of their kittentynes.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Funny i remeber Sakura doing exactly nothing other then using Naruto to get Sasuke. All Hinata did to get Naruto was stalking him and neji playing matchmaker. Naruto on the other hand made a promise and sacrificed his own happyness for Sakuras sake.

To be honest, that's really enough. We don't need the protagonist to aim for love only. Unless it's romance or something I guess. The point is it doesn't matter he aim for it only. What's there to write should just end there. And no, protagonist = get love by another main character isn't what I'm saying. I have no time to talk here.

[Liu bie]

Not the manga not Anime had a NS resolution after Summit Arc, but a video game I believe this  game was full of NS:

 

 

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Edited by Liu bie, 27 March 2015 - 09:10 PM.

[FireFox]

 

Kishi ruined the chance to get why Sakura's feelings were there by having Kakashi state "love needs no reason", because he easily could have given Sakura a reason or could have pulled one out of his ass like he did with Karin.

Sakura shows great care for Sasuke, in the FOD, LOW, and many other arcs. Hinata was willing to give her life up for Naruto. So this contradicts that they don't care for their love interests or did nothing for them (As they wouldn't be alive).

Sakura liked Sasuke and didn't know Ino did and Hinata just idolized Naruto's will to not give up.

 

Yeah killing someone to "save" them was pretty stupid of Sakura (One of the reasons I don't like her) but going by canon she did it because she didn't want to see him fall into darkness, she was willing to be hated by Naruto for that. 

LOL, Hinata is a meat shield I agree, but I was just saying that both her and Sakura "worked harder" than Naruto....

Kikitten not giving Sakura an reason means that her love is nothing but the shallow one bc Sasuke was popular and that's not Kikitten ruining SS you have it backwards its Kikitten justifying it bc SS didn't had any merits , what he did was an Retcon . And Yes Sakura did knew that Ino "loved" Sasuke Ino even imply this when she comments on Sakura that's hiding her feelings on purpose and that Sakura is playing ,and later Sakura makes an rival out of Ino when she asked her .  

 

No really there aren't many SS arcs only few scenes and none existent P2 abusive kitten . Also How is it relevant that Sakura showing care for his safety or for one person's life that her love isn't selfish !? Its the feelings and reason behind the love is what matters as well as the consideration of the other party's feelings  and Sakura was always putting her feelings and needs before Sasuke's  she always acted according to her feelings not Sasuke's  . The logic you're using here is faulty you're going out of your way to justify this now , showing care is not an definition of an "selfless act" but putting yourself and the persons feelings before your own . The same is with Hinata  tell me when she has taken Naruto's feelings/goals/dreams into consideration and put them before her own selfish needs or fought for them !? Bc she didn't and I already told you Hinata herself said she's selfish and furthermore  her sacrifice did more harm to Naruto then help bc of her selfish acts . Hinata discards everyone when it comes to HER feelings about Naruto and doesn't think about the consequences  that's the ultimate level of selfish .

 

LOL Sakura also didn't kill Sasuke bc she "loved" him  so I guess her love isn't selfless as she didn't do it  contradiction pretty much !? LOL XD .Going by canon Sakura  firstly did it for Naruto's sake her actions for Naruto's sake was selfless for Sasuke wasn't . The decision for Sasuke to be killed was already decided by all the K11 , Sakura wanted to be the one who kills him bc she felt it was her responsibility for putting Naruto trough so much to relieve him from his burden (her primary goal and the reason she decided to do it in the first place) and she took it as her responsibility to kill him bc it was an T7  issue and bc she "loved" Sasuke it wasn't for Sasuke's sake at all bc she didn't care about his feelings and its definitely not what Sasuke wanted as he demonstrated that "kindly" LOL . So  I fail to see how killing him is act of selflessness (when she also acted based on her feelings bc it was hurting her this is selfish) instead of trying to understand him and help him like Naruto did  and this is the reason why Sauke is impacted by Naruto always not Sakura bc Naruto tries to understand Sasuke . So Where does Sasuke's feelings come in here in Sakura's mind and actions !? They never did .

 

But that's the thing you say they "worked harder" when they actually didn't  and you're not explaining it how they did it more then Naruto !? Naruto was actually there for Sakura for everything  in every part of her life supporting her all the way cheering her up making her feel safe . Its giving Support  and actually being there for the person is what counts as working for that said love . All Hinata and Sakura did was barely showing any action except Stalking Naruto & Naruto Kuning and Fangrling & Sasuke Kuning .

 

Also if you going by your logic then Sakura bust her ass of for Naruto as well as Naruto bust his ass of for Sakura  they have mutuality  unlike NH/SS  who is one giant  one sided  self centered clusterkitten.       

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 March 2015 - 09:52 PM.

[AHK]

Sakura shows great care for Sasuke, in the FOD, LOW, and many other arcs. Hinata was willing to give her life up for Naruto. So this contradicts that they don't care for their love interests or did nothing for them (As they wouldn't be alive).
Sakura liked Sasuke and didn't know Ino did and Hinata just idolized Naruto's will to not give up..

No, Sakura shows great care for what she wants Sasuke to be, she never ever once thought about what Sasuke wanted. Hinata didn't go down to face pain for Naruto, she went down there to die. She had zero intention of helping him, which she admitted herself. She said she went down there to be selfish. She too never once thought of Narutos needs or wants. They were both completely oblivious, selfish, and ignorant when it came to Naruto and Sasuke.

Sakura didn't know ino liked Sasuke? That's why they had their rivalry, did you miss part one?

Edited by AHK, 27 March 2015 - 09:28 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Any Time NaruHina Tards try to argue that "Oh, Naruto just had a childhood crush on Sakura all this time; it was never true love, it was explained in our Glorious NH movie "
 
I just show them this :-

This

  

 

And This

 

 

Even This

 

 
These Manga pages speak for themselves. NH tards can use "The Last" to justify their pairings ALL they want but THESE ARE MANGA FACTS. THESE WERE NARUTO'S TRUE FEELINGS.
 
Naruto cares more for Sakura and Sasuke much more than he Ever....EVER cared for Hinata.

Now that's what you call one pile of red herring.

[Narufan85]

Sakura didn't know ino liked Sasuke? That's why they had their rivalry, did you miss part one?

Yeah that really confused me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

*Insert Saitama chewing gum*

Well, this is something else.

[ichigo500]

Any Time NaruHina Tards try to argue that "Oh, Naruto just had a childhood crush on Sakura all this time; it was never true love, it was explained in our Glorious NH movie "
 
I just show them this :-

This

  

 

And This

 

 

Even This

 

 

These Manga pages speak for themselves. NH tards can use "The Last" to justify their pairings ALL they want but THESE ARE MANGA FACTS. THESE WERE NARUTO'S TRUE FEELINGS.

 

Naruto cares more for Sakura and Sasuke much more than he Ever....EVER cared for Hinata.

 

Or we could tell them to reread the entire manga ...but they proved to us that their reading comprehension skill = zero

I have a question for people here:

Are we trying to convince ourselves of SS happening?

 

I still find it hard to believe that such couples as SS and NH are canon ...just like this.With no development. 

 

 

Kwon's mini mini doujin for Sakura's brithday 

Sakura's Birthday

[Liu bie]

 

Or we could tell them to reread the entire manga ...but they proved to us that their reading comprehension skill = zero

 

I still find it hard to believe that such couples as SS and NH are canon ...just like this.With no development. 

 

 

Kwon's mini mini doujin for Sakura's brithday 

Sakura's Birthday

Oh man. inner fan girl, not now. I see the present is a secret for us.

[WhyDoIWatch]

No, Sakura shows great care for what she wants Sasuke to be, she never ever once thought about what Sasuke wanted. Hinata didn't go down to face pain for Naruto, she went down there to die. She had zero intention of helping him, which she admitted herself. She said she went down there to be selfish. She too never once thought of Narutos needs or wants. They were both completely oblivious, selfish, and ignorant when it came to Naruto and Sasuke.

Sakura didn't know ino liked Sasuke? That's why they had their rivalry, did you miss part one?

 

I was talking about before because the person I was responding to said that SS had implications to be because Sakura wanted to beat Ino, I said that Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking him.

Kikitten not giving Sakura an reason means that her love is nothing but the shallow one bc Sasuke was popular and that's not Kikitten ruining SS you have it backwards its Kikitten justifying it bc SS didn't had any merits , what he did was an Retcon . And Yes Sakura did knew that Ino "loved" Sasuke Ino even imply this when she comments on Sakura that's hiding her feelings on purpose and that Sakura is playing ,and later Sakura makes an rival out of Ino when she asked her .  

 

No really there aren't many SS arcs only few scenes and none existent P2 abusive kitten . Also How is it relevant that Sakura showing care for his safety or for one person's life that her love isn't selfish !? Its the feelings and reason behind the love is what matters as well as the consideration of the other party's feelings  and Sakura was always putting her feelings and needs before Sasuke's  she always acted according to her feelings not Sasuke's  . The logic you're using here is faulty you're going out of your way to justify this now , showing care is not an definition of an "selfless act" but putting yourself and the persons feelings before your own . The same is with Hinata  tell me when she has taken Naruto's feelings/goals/dreams into consideration and put them before her own selfish needs or fought for them !? Bc she didn't and I already told you Hinata herself said she's selfish and furthermore  her sacrifice did more harm to Naruto then help bc of her selfish acts . Hinata discards everyone when it comes to HER feelings about Naruto and doesn't think about the consequences  that's the ultimate level of selfish .

 

LOL Sakura also didn't kill Sasuke bc she "loved" him  so I guess her love isn't selfless as she didn't do it  contradiction pretty much !? LOL XD .Going by canon Sakura  firstly did it for Naruto's sake her actions for Naruto's sake was selfless for Sasuke wasn't . The decision for Sasuke to be killed was already decided by all the K11 , Sakura wanted to be the one who kills him bc she felt it was her responsibility for putting Naruto trough so much to relieve him from his burden (her primary goal and the reason she decided to do it in the first place) and she took it as her responsibility to kill him bc it was an T7  issue and bc she "loved" Sasuke it wasn't for Sasuke's sake at all bc she didn't care about his feelings and its definitely not what Sasuke wanted as he demonstrated that "kindly" LOL . So  I fail to see how killing him is act of selflessness (when she also acted based on her feelings bc it was hurting her this is selfish) instead of trying to understand him and help him like Naruto did  and this is the reason why Sauke is impacted by Naruto always not Sakura bc Naruto tries to understand Sasuke . So Where does Sasuke's feelings come in here in Sakura's mind and actions !? They never did .

 

But that's the thing you say they "worked harder" when they actually didn't  and you're not explaining it how they did it more then Naruto !? Naruto was actually there for Sakura for everything  in every part of her life supporting her all the way cheering her up making her feel safe . Its giving Support  and actually being there for the person is what counts as working for that said love . All Hinata and Sakura did was barely showing any action except Stalking Naruto & Naruto Kuning and Fangrling & Sasuke Kuning .

 

Also if you going by your logic then Sakura bust her ass of for Naruto as well as Naruto bust his ass of for Sakura  they have mutuality  unlike NH/SS  who is one giant  one sided  self centered clusterkitten.       

Sakura was fairy surprised when she admitted to liking Sasuke and finding out other people liked Sasuke so no she didn't like him for being popular and when I stated Kishi ruined the chance I was talking about giving Sakura's love a reason.

 

The original comment I was responding to said that the "rivalry thing could be applied to Sasuke/Sakura/Ino triangle, and I said it wouldn't be possible as Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking Sasuke.

I stated those arcs as examples of Sakura caring for Sasuke. 

Yeah Sakura did it for Naruto's sake too, I know, I was just stating a reason for why Sakura did it. Sakura posses this "I know whats good for you better then yourself" mentality, she thinks that killing Sasuke would "save" him from Darkness and she did because she felt that Naruto would be better off with the burden gone, in both theses cases she disregards Naruto/Sasuke feelings.

 

Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because she remembered the old Sasuke that she and Naruto loved

 

Naruto does what he does to any other person, one of his traits is his selflessness (Though he isn't always), Naruto didn't "work hard" to get Sakura's love (I'm excluding the reason why) which was my main point, Sakura/Hinata confessed to their love interests which is more than what Naruto did.

[AHK]

I was talking about before because the person I was responding to said that SS had implications to be because Sakura wanted to beat Ino, I said that Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking him.

Sakura was fairy surprised when she admitted to liking Sasuke and finding out other people liked Sasuke so no she didn't like him for being popular and when I stated Kishi ruined the chance I was talking about giving Sakura's love a reason.
 
The original comment I was responding to said that the "rivalry thing could be applied to Sasuke/Sakura/Ino triangle, and I said it wouldn't be possible as Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking Sasuke.

I stated those arcs as examples of Sakura caring for Sasuke. 

Yeah Sakura did it for Naruto's sake too, I know, I was just stating a reason for why Sakura did it. Sakura posses this "I know whats good for you better then yourself" mentality, she thinks that killing Sasuke would "save" him from Darkness and she did because she felt that Naruto would be better off with the burden gone, in both theses cases she disregards Naruto/Sasuke feelings.
 
Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because she remembered the old Sasuke that she and Naruto loved
 
Naruto does what he does to any other person, one of his traits is his selflessness (Though he isn't always), Naruto didn't "work hard" to get Sakura's love (I'm excluding the reason why) which was my main point, Sakura/Hinata confessed to their love interests which is more than what Naruto did.

Sakura liked Sasuke because it was a way for her to feel accepted, as everyone else did. He was the cool kid. Once she learned about Ino, it became about beating Ino. Sakura has never once cared about Sasuke.

[EmperorZeo]

Trash.

On another note, the whole Naruto timeline since the ending had been a kittening mess. Boruto and Sarada are around the same age in the manga, with Himawari obviously being considerably younger then them. Then the movie comes out, and they freaking make Boruto and Himawari twins. Now these novels have NH wedding after Sakura hiden. Considering the fact that Sasuke doesn't appear in the film, I'm just gonna assume that him and Sakura are gonna meet up in the novel so that he can toss her salad and leave. Finally, going by the logic of Chapter 700, I'll just assume that everybody kittened on the same day, at the same exact time, in the same year. And they all just wound up pregnant because who the kitten cares

Not sure why, but I think Kishi is leaving it a mess on purpose. I know people say he doesn't care any more, but he'd really have to go out of his way to leave in so many mistakes and inconsistencies.

Now that I think about it, is there a mistakes and inconsistencies list on the Naruto wiki.

[Hiraishin]

 
I was talking about before because the person I was responding to said that SS had implications to be because Sakura wanted to beat Ino, I said that Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking him.
Sakura was fairy surprised when she admitted to liking Sasuke and finding out other people liked Sasuke so no she didn't like him for being popular and when I stated Kishi ruined the chance I was talking about giving Sakura's love a reason.
 
The original comment I was responding to said that the "rivalry thing could be applied to Sasuke/Sakura/Ino triangle, and I said it wouldn't be possible as Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking Sasuke.
I stated those arcs as examples of Sakura caring for Sasuke. 
Yeah Sakura did it for Naruto's sake too, I know, I was just stating a reason for why Sakura did it. Sakura posses this "I know whats good for you better then yourself" mentality, she thinks that killing Sasuke would "save" him from Darkness and she did because she felt that Naruto would be better off with the burden gone, in both theses cases she disregards Naruto/Sasuke feelings.
 
Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because she remembered the old Sasuke that she and Naruto loved
 
Naruto does what he does to any other person, one of his traits is his selflessness (Though he isn't always), Naruto didn't "work hard" to get Sakura's love (I'm excluding the reason why) which was my main point, Sakura/Hinata confessed to their love interests which is more than what Naruto did.

Well you have to take into account why Sakura and Hinata confessed: desperation. Sakura wanted Sasuke to stay in the village/just wanted to be with him, and Hinata thought she was going to die. And you can't exclude why Naruto didn't "work hard" to get Sakura's love, you're ignoring the context which is always important, plus you're just being unfair to him.

Edited by Hiraishin, 27 March 2015 - 11:53 PM.

[FireFox]

 

I was talking about before because the person I was responding to said that SS had implications to be because Sakura wanted to beat Ino, I said that Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking him.

Sakura was fairy surprised when she admitted to liking Sasuke and finding out other people liked Sasuke so no she didn't like him for being popular and when I stated Kishi ruined the chance I was talking about giving Sakura's love a reason.

 

The original comment I was responding to said that the "rivalry thing could be applied to Sasuke/Sakura/Ino triangle, and I said it wouldn't be possible as Sakura didn't know Ino liked Sasuke when she started liking Sasuke.

I stated those arcs as examples of Sakura caring for Sasuke. 

Yeah Sakura did it for Naruto's sake too, I know, I was just stating a reason for why Sakura did it. Sakura posses this "I know whats good for you better then yourself" mentality, she thinks that killing Sasuke would "save" him from Darkness and she did because she felt that Naruto would be better off with the burden gone, in both theses cases she disregards Naruto/Sasuke feelings.

 

Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because she remembered the old Sasuke that she and Naruto loved

 

Naruto does what he does to any other person, one of his traits is his selflessness (Though he isn't always), Naruto didn't "work hard" to get Sakura's love (I'm excluding the reason why) which was my main point, Sakura/Hinata confessed to their love interests which is more than what Naruto did.

Check that Chapter again Sakura was faking it , Ino clearly implies that Sakura is hiding her feelings and the fact that she knew that Sasuke is popular  . Furthermore  there is no reason for Sakura to ask Ino if she loves Sasuke if she didn't already knew that and make her a rival to break of her shadow , and also why she wanted to be acknowledged by Sasuke to gain some self worth and be accepted by the others  bc of her past . That are feelings born out of rivalry P1 is full with Rivalry of InoSaku fighting for Sasuke like he's an trophy  that on itself is proof enough and its disgusting .

 

Its true she did disregarded both of their feelings then (though she doesn't even knows or understands Sasuke's for Naruto she knew what it means)  but I was arguing that you said it was an act of "selflessness" for Sasuke , what you said now clearly debunks that . The difference with Sakura when its about Naruto is that she was selfless more then once bc she's doing it to protect his feelings/dreams and she has fought to protect his feelings and dreams bc she understands him . With Sasuke it was never the case bc she simply doesn't understand him and doesn't even try to do that but she did it with Naruto that's the huge difference . 

 

If you look at her whole flashback (which was more focused on her feelings & fangrling )and the context of that scene its not bc she remembered the old Sasuke  but bc of her feelings come to the surface again , its her feelings that stoped her not who Sasuke was (who btw that  wasn't good with her then either ) . You can twist it however you like its still doesn't change that back that the  "Kill you bc I love you" kitten    is an huge contradiction on itself  you can't have both .

 

That's true but you're using double standards now why is it OK to say it  in the case of Hinata and Sakura but not in Naruto's just bc he's like that !? You're forgetting that Naruto was in love with Sakura that's what separates her from the others and what makes his feelings of love for her and actions  pure selfless . And btw Naruto's actions doesn't debunk Sakura's & Hinata's selfishness for Sasuke and Naruto , everyone stands on its own by what has been show .

 

You can't exclude it just bc both of them confessed  that's like erasing all the development NS had . And I'm sorry but since when is confessing out of the blue counts as doing more work !? If I go and confess to a girl now who I barely even know her or spend time with her does that mean I've worked hard for our relationship and for us to get together !? No it doesn't mean that I've worked hard that's faulty logic there .

 

You can't just disregard the development of NS on Naruto's part  it doesn't work like that . Like I said  Naruto bust his ass of to change Sakura's heart  by being there for her emotionally and physically , giving her support , cheering her up  complimenting on her achievements and her as a person . That is how you literary  Build Up an relationship that's Development right there and Hard Work .

 

Also I keep pointing this out  Naruto's feelings were Retconed His whole character was and so was his plot which btw confessing to Sakura was a Romance plot point  which Kikitten Retconed  bc the mofo sold out to Hinakittens Popularity and her Rabid Otaku Fanbase . That's kittening literature assassination  101 . Its not that Naruto didn't worked its Kikittenkitteningmoto  that Retconed the whole story and destroyed it . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 March 2015 - 11:57 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Guess I'm not needed here.

[Nar123]

Let's wait for another decade. Studio Pierrot seems to be looking forward to season 3. God help me.

What will Studio Pierrot's future be once Naruto has ended. Their main on-going anime will leave them... Are they going to go back to Bleach (they did a pretty good job with that anime if you ask me) ?

Pierrot ruined Bleach