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You never watch Hey Arnold? Here's the background:

The very last episode was a movie length special of the origin of Arnold's parents and how they got together and gave birth to Arnold. There were hints that could unfold in the later episodes, like the mysterious tribesmen. So the end of that special have Arnold discovered a map that leads to his parents' whereabouts. And it ended and never concluded.

We don't know what happens next. We don't know what secrets unfolds. We don't know if Helga and Arnold get together. We got nothing. The creator said that it was supposed to be a movie to continue the story of his parents and pretty much conclude it there. There's even a lost footage surface on the web.

But now, *plays a holy light soundtrack like, with sun shines* we are finally going to get our long waited conclusion.

Actually, the fans have known forever what happens-that's why there's been a years long drive to get it made Craig Bartlett has talked about it in multiple interviews. Arnold admits to loving Helga, they kiss, but it's interupted by Gerald in a comedic way. Arnold finds his parents, who have been chasing after the villain who wants the Green Eye's treasure. The villain kidnaps Arnold's classmates and holds them threatens Arnold to tell him where the Green Eyes are, etcetc. Arnold and Helga do end up together, they get married, have children, all that jazz.

 

 

Skip to 7:42.

 

That being said, this movie is not for the old fans of the show. Nick stated it's only for their 6-11 demographic and Bartlett said he has to find a way to make it accessible to them. They're also getting a redesign.

A SasuKarin shipper asked him today why Karin didn't get with Sasuke, and he told her, "In Japan, it is my choice". I guess he was getting asked that question a lot.

 

SS fan-girl nonsense? Well then thanks for being as insulting to me as you possibly could, why don't you piss on my grave when I die while you're at it? 

I am not complaining that Naruto isn't being bashed,  I'm complaining about the onesidedness of this "Oh look Sakura f**cked everything up!" BS. As the Main character, yes he has the most sway on the story, so in that respect, I'm correct. He deserves blame for this debacle and I am not going to sit around and watch one person get thrown under that bus without throwing the OTHER guilty party under there as well. 

If they belong together, they can belong under the wheels of that vehicle hand in freaking hand. 

 

 

At the end of the day it's the female characters that get torn down because of shipping, and it's sad to see. I guess it's not too surprising, but it always does make me shake my head at how much a fandom can claim to love female characters/women, yet turn around and do the exact opposite. Sakura's not at fault here, she loved Sasuke from chapter three onward. That was just her being in character. The manga...was not about you getting over bonds. It was about keeping them. And Naruto, it's weird to me that there's this mentality that just because you do the bare minimum of being a decent human being, that you somehow deserve a woman...as if she's a prize? Like, what? If Sakura's feelings weren't swayed, then that's the end. She's not a prize, she's a person. Naruto was a nice guy, not a NiceGuy™

 

I'm glad that Naruto was a decent human being and moved on. If you're only nice to someone to essentially get with another person, then you're not a 'nice guy'. You're a manipulative jerk. I like seeing Naruto not end up that way.

 

In my fanon, Naruto and Sakura are together. I enjoyed the pairing enough not to need canon. And well, canon is kind of over here anyway.

Sorry, but that is an extremely bad example. "If Kishimoto says Naruto loves Hinata." Well, for 698 chapters Kishimoto said Naruto loves Sakura and Sakura feelings were changing. You also have Sasuke say he had no reason to love Sakura at all. In almost everything else save for the final two chapters and the movie, everything remained pretty constant...this is what some people are not getting. These last two chapters went against EVERYTHING the rest of the manga set up and you expect us to just "accept and move on?" What next should all writers just get away with this kind of story writing? Just at the final stretch just say "kitten it" and write whatever suits their fancy even when it breaks their own rules?

If you truly believe this is acceptable...then why do we even have criticism at all? There is a reason why people look at this stuff and judge it for quality because you can mess up the story. If we excuse this behavior in writing every time a new media shows up, then what's the point of calling something good or bad? Might as well never fail me for getting answers wrong on the test because "I wanted to answer it that way so you can't fail me." It is ridiculous and people know this.

To accept this means to accept every mediocre or badly written story and calling it Shakespeare. Even Stephen King would frown at this kind of writing and he basically promotes good writing ethics. I'm sorry, but I am so sick of people telling me to "accept this" or to say "well it is the way the author wanted it." Well, I am the buyer...the consumer...your demographic and if I don't approve of it, then you don't gain money from me.

Yeah, authors can do what they like, but there is a right and wrong way of doing it....this was the wrong way.

There is also no excuse why many elements of the story were either dropped or ignored completely simply to suit a story aspect. THAT is bad writing and really shows the writer's quality. If you can't make a story flow right and make sense, then maybe Kishimoto needs to give up being a writer.

 

Sigh. No, Kishimoto didn't say Sakura's love was changing. I know that's how we took it, but Viz's translation was more correct. It wasn't a crush anymore, it was 'selfless love'. That's why Kakashi says she wasn't confessing to make him hers, she wanted to save him. Also, again, Sasuke specifically said he was making people hate him to push them away. Him saying he didn't care about Sakura was an act. The second he turns good, what does he do? Apologizes to her. What happens the second Sasuke turns good and comes back? Sakura jumps on him and asks to go with him, even though that would mean leaving Naruto behind. She never loved Naruto. And Sasuke was always going to turn around and end up with Sakura. It's a manga about people being redeemed with words, and he was a main character. He wasn't going to up and die/disappear. Karin was also so unimportant to his story that she also vanishes along with Taka.

 

I'm sorry, but yes, a lot of the people in our fandom read way too much into Naruto. It was never complex, it was never a story about romance with ninjas on the side, it was never intricately plotted as such either. This is in his own words, he didn't put much romance in at all. He couldn't have been more blunt about this. And the proof is right there-SS/NH are canon. Kishimoto chose the most canon movie to be about Naruto falling in love with Hinata. Narusaku was a happy accident, but it's never going to end up canon;. That ship sailed a long, long time ago. From the moment they started working on that movie, NS was dead canon wise.

 

...You do realize Romeo and Juliet was a play mocking young love, right? And to compare a mangaka to Shakespeare...Did you guys think Naruto was high literature? They're ninjas who throw fire balls  and magic lightning at each other. I get being disappointed, but I'm starting to think you thought Naruto was something it never was...I mean jeeze, that "romantic" scene on the bench ends with Naruto having the runs....You can't fathom why a 'good writer' would go against the 'literary rules' and not write Narusaku. There is your answer. Under your terms, Kishimoto isn't a good writer. He recently said he was like Naruto, because no one thought he'd ever be a mangaka. He didn't start writing Naruto until he took a college course in script writing. That's his background.

 

“It is unbelievable that I am working as one of the manga creators who have to write stories and depict many characters, because I was poor at the Japanese subject in school,” he said. “I could not answer questions requiring students to guess the feelings of characters in stories in school exams.”

 

Success didn’t come easy for Kishimoto-sensei. Before achieving greatness with Naruto, he had to overcome many challenges. He spent years studying how to write scenarios and dialogue in films to learn about story structure and directorial techniques. He also studied oil painting at an art college. Only after all of that hard work was Kishimoto-sensei able to begin on Naruto and achieve the greatness we have come to know him for today.

 

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True, no reason to dance around the issue. This movie is 100% NH fanservice and they are advertising it as such, there's no reason to watch it if you don't like it.

 

Which makes me think NH is more popular in Japan than I thought. Why else would they waste top quality animation on it?

 

Because Naruto is the main hero, and since Hinata is his future wife/mother of his kids, well...she's going to be the female with the most focus lol If you don't like NH/SS, then you might want to skip this movie.

Kishimoto said that he didn't put much romance into the manga because it embarrassed him. Which means most of what we thought was romantic? It wasn't. I remember the long, drawn out posts. Beautiful as they were, they were reading too much into what was actually there. There was no hidden meanings. Naruto was a Shonen manga for children about bad guys having reasons to be bad guys and the MC never giving up on trying to understand them. Just like Kishimoto said. It was never a sweeping romance. I don't believe a man who was embarrassed/said it was too hard to write romance created a 'sweeping romance, hidden means, the underneath the underneath".

 

That? That was a happy accident. The thing about staying in an echo chamber is that you only see and hear what you like, and ignore the rest. Sakura was always going after Sasuke. Her feelings were ignored because we just assumed she'd get over it. She didn't. As for Naruto, now...I don't think he was all that in love with her. Every time Sasuke attempted to hurt Sakura, Naruto just sussed him and went on calling him his bestest friend ever. That's not how a man in love acts. I mean, look at the forehead scene. It was a comic relief/kind of sketchy moment on Naruto's part about tricking Sakura into thinking he was Sasuke to steal a kiss. The moment was not romantic. Narutoke compliments her forehead, she gets excited, he laughs and says no that's something Naruto would say, she gets depressed. Yet so many people thought she was in love with him for this...in hindsight, it makes zero sense. I think a lot of the Narusaku expectation came from fans overhyping moments, or reading too much into Kishimoto's writing.

What scans were real? Those with the NH Kids?

I thought they were from a chinese Artist ....???

 

No, they're real. The chinese artist thing was just one of the many conspiracy theories thought up to try and change the unchangeable-that Naruhina is canon lol

 

As for Sakura's feelings, no, she never moved onto Naruto. The second Sasuke joined them, he was what she focused on. Sasuke-kun doesn't care, Sasuke-kun I'm over here,  Sasuke-kun I love you so much, Sasuke-kun letme join you..Konoha Naruto who? Kakashi had to point out Naruto wasn't with Sasuke for her to even notice he was gone lol Sakura...never changed. I think a lot of us wished she had because of shipping goggles. Re-reading it now, it's plain as day.

Narusaku is not destroyed. The point of shipping is to have fun and find enjoyment. If you can only do those things with a canon ship, then you might be in this for the wrong reasons. Yes, in canon Naruto loves Hinata and Sakura loves Sasuke (Well, she never stopped, so that's not a surprise...) but that doesn't mean Naruto can't love Sakura and marry Sakura and have a family with Sakura in fanon. There's lots of talented artists and writers in the Narusaku fandom, and writing/drawing is a much, much better way to spend your time than harassing/spreading hate.

 

And if the only reason you loved Naruto was because of the expectation of Narusaku, then perhaps it is better to just move on. I know it's easy to put blame on someone, and direct hate towards someone you feel wronged you, but remember Kishimoto is a human being. A man with a wife and kids, who spent fifteen years working very hard on a story he loved. His vision might not be your vision, but that doesn't mean he should be killed/harassed over a fictional pairing. Would LadyGT deserve this treatment if her future manga ended in a way her fans didn't like? No?

 

Perhaps that will put that in perspective for you.

The movie's been in development for about two years now, which means it wasn't just a change of heart guys. Animation is expensive and time consuming. They weren't going to reanimate things because he changed his mind a month ago.

They just wanna rub it in our faces instead of being good sports.

Don't wanna sound like an a**hole but it's your typical NHtards hypocrisy.

 

lol To be fair, a lot of people here said they were going to troll the expletive out of their fandom when Ns became canon. It's just things didn't go like what we thought.

that's not what I'm saying though, think for a second, what if the movie in fact takes place in the time period with all those the last designs, and then that villain toneri goes after hinata, and not only does he capture her but he puts her in a tsukiyomi, and this whole chapter called 700 is the genjutsu?

 

Sigh. You're going to be really disappointed when the movie comes out. Naruto is not something out of Satoshi Kon's mind. It's a straight forward fighting manga about ninjas for children. If he was going to end it with narusaku, he would have. He didn't. The more people stick to conspiracy theories, the more they're going to get hurt come Dec. It's time to face reality, Naruto had no hidden meaning, no hidden story. It is what it is. Love the fanon narusaku you have, because canon is gone for us.

Oh for real? I haven't watched Avatar in a reallyy long time but I always thought it was Kataang in the end... 

 

We'll get over it, but how the story ends is just shocking. Assuming all of these are what people think they are, then... tomorrow isn't gonna be pretty lol. 

 

 

Again, I'm not buying kitten until we see the chapters. With the chapters, I'll accept everything including defeat. Narusaku will always be a special bond in this manga romantic or not.

 

That's my point-It is Kataang in the end. Zutara is non-canon, like Narusaku now is. If you had seen the ATLA Zutara fandom back in the day, the lovers parallel,  the Jun comment, the opposites thing...lol And yes, Narusaku will always have a special bond. I'm trying to bring some optimism! Just because something is non-canon doesn't mean the fandom has to die/you have to stop liking it. Zutara is still going strong so many years later, and Narusaku will, too. :)

Baidu is a site, it's not a person, lol...

We both know that's a load of bull otherwise you wouldn't have bothered responding in a desperate attempt to get the last word in.

 

lol You remind me an awful lot of Pepsi

Yeah, this would have to be a fake-out to NH fans, since NS is going to be canon lol That scene with Hinata and Naruto as kids, the scene with Naruto and Hinata talking to each other at sunset. I bet it's not as romantic as they're implying. It'd be too obvious.