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#990486 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 21 August 2023 - 09:46 AM

Wow, and NaruHinas are clutching onto that "The Kushina-Sakura connection was a deliberate red herring that's common in shonen" rhetoric even now. 

Where did you get that quote from?

 

They have to: "The answer that is simple. Kushina and Minato have a happy health perfect relationship made even clearer by the one-shot. That are suppose to foreshadow how Naruto's relationship will end up as well as who he ends up marrying.

 
There is an old adage that one will end up marrying someone like their parents. Clearly that was at work in Naruto.
 
Sakura's father was a goofy man so Sakura should end up marrying a goofy Naruto. Naruto's mother was hot tempered, so he should marry the hot tempered Sakura.
 
MK and NS were both based off Kishimoto's own relationship. MK is just more mature, further along, and doesn't have the conflict Sasuke brought to it. The only problem they have, that was introduced by the one-shot, is that Kushina is trapped in a barrier. Which its implied Minato eventually solved by both strengthen her seal, and getting rid of that law so they could always be together.
 
So again, 'The Story of Naruto,' implies that Naruto will live a happy life if he gets into a relationship like his parents had. Obviously that being NS, you have to be either an idiot or deliberately refusing to accept that to not know that. So, the nH fans want to convince both themselves and everyone else that, it wasn't NS that MK was foreshadowing and paralleling to but nH. Sarcasm: Because, it so obvious to everyone that Hinata is exactly like Minato and/or Kushina. Also, ignore that fact that Kushina has cease to exist in Boruto to help bury the fact that, Hinata is nothing like her."
 
If it wasn't subversion. Then its even more clear that it was last minute and wasn't planned.



#990467 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 19 August 2023 - 11:52 AM

https://www.quora.co...get_type=answer
Strange when i put myself in naruto's shoes i came up with a different perspective

 
"Put yourself in Naruto's shoes:
Would you prefer someone who always follows the crowd, people belittles you she belittle you, they adore you she adore you (Are they still talking about Sakura?). One who asks you to take back the boy she has a crush on and who tried to kill you and her, but this girl continues to prefer him to you, and at most she makes a finished declaration of love to you.
 
Or a girl who has always appreciated you no matter what others say or your flaws, and who will give her life for you if that is required.
 
Really people still have doubts about which couple is the best, in reality everyone would be happy that their son takes Hinata home and not Sakura, the NaruSaku is literally the girl who doesn't care about the nice guy, until it suits him, he changes my mind."

God that post is so badly written.

 

Again. The appeal of Hinata is, she is easy. You do not have to do anything to get her or keep her. And as they state she will never question or doubt you only worship the ground you walk on. Which becomes a problem when your son is acting out and she refuses to confront you. Leading the daddy issue to spiral out of control. One cannot resolve an issue; unless it is brought first up.

 

Sakura willingness to question and criticize Naruto is a point in her favor because; Naruto is an idiot, who is trying to enact policy changes to correct the flaws in the ninja system. If he doesn't have some one to talk his idea over first how can he know they will work? How does he iron out the detail?

 

Edit: Also in Naruto's shoes. Well Naruto was someone that most of the village preferred to avoid interacting with when they could for years. Sakura was the one girl that would always react to him. He thought she was cute and developed a crush on her over time fell in love with her. Hinata was a weird quite girl that was too polite  to tell him to go away and too meek to speak two sentences to him. Until the chunin exam, which was after knowing each other for years as with the rest of his classmates. Which by her finally talking to him caused him to see her as a nice girl and a good friend. 




#990400 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 07 August 2023 - 07:08 AM

 

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#990390 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 05 August 2023 - 01:38 PM

oh true i remembered they did bleach but totally forgot about yu yu hakusho (I'm also watching Kimagure Orange Road which also is by sp). Also I started to watch the original Rurouni Kenshin because I never saw it and a remake started airing this year and I noticed one of the characters has a single finger flick move very similar to tsunade's

From various Japanese anime/video games I have seen that have done it. My guess is, finger flicking the forehead seems to be a way of teasing/chastising someone in Japan. Its also can used to show how strong someone is in a story. Do it to yourself to see, its mostly harmless. So, if someone can do it and it knocks someone flat; that character must be super strong.




#990380 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 02 August 2023 - 11:11 PM

I don't even understand why they bother acting indignant anymore.  They've seen for themselves throughout Boruto that Naruto sparsely shows consideration towards his children or any attraction towards Hinata.  Hell, he even called her out as a idiot for being more concerned about him being danger than their freakin' children.  

They think if they act indignant & offended that the companies will have to appease them. It always worked for them before for western media. Problem is, those companies have learned of their worth. They have had nearly ten years to show how they would financially support Hinata, and haven't. Which is why the companies seem to be moving away from Hinata and going back to Sakura. 

 

They try to ignore dismiss justify or make excuses for the fact that Naruto doesn't seem that happily married to Hinata. They hate to be reminded of the fact that Naruto once had feeling for Sakura. To them, Naruto should only love Hinata, ever.




#990359 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 30 July 2023 - 06:48 AM

Oh yeah, I do remember the manga you're referring to, I believe that was U-19. But what you said is accurate in that it does seem like Jump and Shueisha aren't taking the same approach with what happened to Kishi. Simply to avoid the same circumstances that happened with Naruto, and honestly that is for the better.

I think it was also pretty telling that when Naruto ended, Kishi had no interest coming back to Naruto after he finished the series and wanted to try something different. Which we know the result of what happened once Samurai 8 got canceled.

Not to say that it was surprising because given how Naruto ended this was more or less something an expected outcome.

They like a lot of people underestimated how important NS was to the story of Naruto.

 

It may not be up to the company, as much as it is a reaction from the mangaka. Again, Kishimoto used to be a big name and that one executive/editorial mandate destroyed him. What can say it can't happen to them? So they are all taking precautions to make sure it doesn't happen.

 

Demon Slayer: I didn't even realize there was a main couple outside the lighting boy crushing on the sister.

 

My Hero: Killed the closest thing to a romantic rival.

 

Food Wars: Didn't put the main couple together for some reason.

 

Samurai 8: I'm not changing the main pairing. I'm not changing the main pairing. For ten chapters.

 

Jujutsu Kaisen: Seemed to imply from the beginning that Yuji wasn't even going to live long enough to get into a serious relationship.

 

Black Clover: Noelle is clearly the main girl, but if the editor make a stink Sister Lily.

 

Chainsaw man: Messed around in part one but I assume Asa is Denji's love interest.

 

Edit: Currently in publication. Surprisingly a lot are story that have a duo that are clearly the main couple and the main characters the story is focused around.
 
Ayakashi Triangle: Shameless Woman and the clueless Ninja. There was a possibility that they would have spilt the main character in two so the shy ninja could have the girl but main girl is too shameless to share.
 
Yumeochi: Sleepy Boy and Class rep. 
 
Demon lord Exchange: Priest either ends up with his childhood friend or the demon lord in her body.
 
Blue Box. Main boy and Main girl.
 
Marital Master Asumi: Main cowardly boy with MMA Girl.
 
Kill Blue: The old man will either stay a child and marry the rich girl, or more likely get the cure and get back together with his family.
 
Mission: Yozakura Family: Main Boy with childhood friend spy girl.
 
Undead Unluck: The two main characters.
 
My Girlfriend Gives Me Goosebumps: Main boy and his girlfriend.
 
Akane Banashi: Main Girl and her childhood bully/friend as he was the only one she could think of to go out on a date on.
 
Beat & Motion: The depressed male animator and the drunk female musician.



#990356 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 30 July 2023 - 02:42 AM

I recall bringing this up to Lucky a few years ago when Shounen jump had that red string of fate manga. But, I have notice that WSJ manga tend to be more blatant with their couples since Naruto ended. Either, they were very clear who the love interest is, or they avoid that all together.

 

People worried about another mangaka becoming another Kishimoto need to remember that; they don't want to turn into another Kishimoto. Kishimoto was once the second of third biggest name in the shounen manga industry.

 

Now look at him.

 

He is a glorified editor/assistant in the sequel to his own manga, and its failing. We may not know fully what happened to Naruto, but it is likely an open secret and a warning in Shueisha; don't let your editors dictate something as minor yet important as the end parings.




#990325 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 27 July 2023 - 07:18 PM

Ah yes, those fics...

 

I really can't stand that revenge fulfillment/power fantasy garbage since it requires everyone to be grossly out of character and expects us to root for Naruto when he becomes a psychopathic PoS that puts Orochimaru to shame.  Oh, and Hinata is always naturally immune because "she always had Naruto's back.", even when she hid in the shadows and did nothing as he was "abused". :mellow:

I honestly avoid Naruto Hinata fics because of those, because they are all the same. Same, whining. Same, oh woe is me. Same no one has suffered as I have suffer. Same vindictive petty sadistic bloodlust. Same harem of characters the writer clearly lusts after.

 

Hinata often becomes his second who wipes out the rest of the village (down to the infants in their pleading mother's arms) while he goes after those that personally wronged him; mainly Sakura. And defeats easily while ranting and complaining.

 

If it came to me and writing a role reversal story of Naruto being the bad guy and sasuke being good.8 honestly don't think Hinata would have any relevancy at all especially her infatuation with Naruto too.

I do however see Sakura gaining a huge major role and growth out of it though.

In that putting all that high of a pedestal on Sasuke really set off the edge and he just needed someone to understand him and feel welcome.

I could even see it where it breaks her crush phase. On sasuke too.

If we honestly look at Hinata. She would be a lesser Sakura. Instead of chasing after him or trying to bring him back. She would just lament him turning evil, going "Naruto-kun," and do nothing else. Granted her fans will still defend her if that happened because double standards.




#990316 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 27 July 2023 - 03:54 AM

The "rivalry" line from the Last always struck me as very odd because it answered a question (in a very poor way) that really didn't need to be answered at the time.

 

NaruSaku was already 6 feet under at the time and all it accomplished was making Naruto look petty and puts all their interactions in the manga in a worse light. 

 

It was a throwaway line that was never brought up again, so why even bring it up to begin with?

The reason is that, they didn't like the idea that Naruto loved someone before Hinata and she was his second choice. She should be his first and only choice, in their minds. His first love. His only love. His true love. Bound by Red Scarf of Fate.

 

But, the problem with that is, all you have to do is the read the manga. And, the introductory chapter for both Sakura and Sasuke is that he has a crush on Sakura. A crush that more or less continues until the end of the manga. For about 696 chapters. So, again, they don't want that. They want to erase that fact. So they came up with something that they felt would convince the viewers that Naruto never had any feeling for her, because it was just part of his rivalry with Sasuke. Also helps with SS, as it implies Sasuke always had feelings for her.

 

Of course, they didn't think about how bad and scummy it was that. One) Naruto was playing with her feeling for so long, two) he can bold face lie about being in love with someone that everyone believes it for years except he never had any feeling for her what-so-ever (if he can lie about that what else can he be lying about,) and three) apparently, he somehow knew that Sasuke always deeply loved her and was constantly playing the third wheel just to be a jackass. This among others destroyed Naruto's reputation and labeled him, "The Worst Scumbag," in Japan, after they saw The Last. Of course, the staff didn't think of this because all they cared about was Naruto never having feeling for Sakura.




#990311 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 26 July 2023 - 08:15 PM

Honestly, I think Naruto ended being a giant self-insert for Kishimoto. His self-insert is basically Sasuke and one of the reasons Sakura ended up with Sasuke was because Sakura is like his wife and him like Sasuke.. Sasuke leaving the village for extended periods of time while Sakura is home with the kid kinda mirrors his own life aka him being at work all the time and never got to go on his honeymoon or spend quaility time with his wife. So having Sakura get together with Naruto would be like his wife getting with another man. So his thing about Sakura being a horrible person if she moved on from Sakura was paralleling his own life because if his wife left him because of his hectic work life she would be horrible.

 

I can GO ON about this but I feel like Kishimoto GOT Lucky with this series.

If Sasuke was his "true" self insert. Why does Kishimoto not like having to do scenes together with the character that represents his wife?

 

Here just some things that make that idea not make sense:

 

Chapter three the bench scene. First thing, I want people to remember is Kishimoto has a twin brother, a twin that focuses on art and not money like him; the cool twin. So I want you all to see the scene again like this: Naruto/Masashi confesses/flirt with the girl of his dreams, but she mistakes him for his brother Sasuke/Seishi, and falls in love with him instead. Now, that doesn't happen to most normal people, since most don't have someone that looks exactly like them, but it can happen to twins. I've know at least 5 sets of twins over the years...surprisingly all males, and that happened once in Highschool. The girl apologized after the mistake but the twin who confessed started dyeing his hair afterwards.

 

Now Seishi is also a mangaka and his first manga was 666 Satan/O-Parts Hunter. The main character was Jio Freed a boy with Satan inside of him, and his best friend was Ball. Now it is likely like his brother that Seishi made the main character like him, and the best friend like his brother. So, Sasuke/Jio/Seishi is the more calmer of the two, more visibly talented, more of a loner, and is difficult to tell if he likes girls. Naruto/Ball/Masashi is the more goofy, perverted, less talented but can be cunning, and his main signature attack is a ball. Now, there is this female character called May, who starts out liking Jio but falls for and ends up marrying Ball. Read the manga or just look up May she should look and behave very familiar.

 

Throughout the rest of the Naruto manga. If Sasuke is Kishi's self insert and he wants him to get together with Sakura, why is their relationship portrayed so negatively (that it bad she still likes him and she should just move on) until the end where they got together?

 

The gaiden which is a SS manga. Did that convince you that he supports it? The reason he has stated that its a 10 chapter gaiden was to prove, he was not sexist. He finally been hearing about how everyone treats him as a sexist. So, to prove he wasn't, he turn Sarada's side story that was originally a one-shot like Mitsuki's into a ten chapter gaiden. If you think the gaiden is supporting SS. I suggest reading it again, the first 7-8 chapters are trashing it until the last few when its problems are lazily patched over.

 

Samurai 8. Hachi and Anna are the main pairing at some point after I stopped reading some cool guy was introduce. Now, that story from what I understand did not randomly drop the pairing and switch it for the cool guy, but reaffirmed the pairing. 

 

The recent Minato & Kushina one-shot. Now, Kushina is based on his wife, and Minato is based on Kishimoto. Is Minato more like Sasuke or Naruto?

 

The Boruto manga. Now there were a few scene of SS. The getting flowers for Sasuke's return, and taking care of Sarada at the hospital. Now, both of those scene happened while Kishimoto was gone working on Samurai 8. Since, he has returned, Sakura has vanished.  

 

Look, I get your trying to come up with a justification for SS happening. "It happened because Kishimoto must wish he could be Sasuke." But, nothing beyond, 'they got together,' supports it. Why SS happened was nH happened, they needed to put Sakura somewhere, and SS was popular enough.




#990299 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 25 July 2023 - 07:41 PM

I meant that the order of events was Kishi made nH -> wife got upset -> Kishi lies about how she's the basis for Hinata -> wife buys it, no tension (at least until she figures it out). Whereas BlueStar made it sound more like Kishi made nH -> wife got upset -> Kishi lies about how she's the basis for Hinata -> wife doesn't buy it, tension still in the house.

Well, there was also that interview where he said he thought for a while about replacing Sakura in the story with Hinata.

Right, I want you to imagine this: You are married to a famous writer. There is a romance in his most well known work, that is incredibly well received. The main female character who is the love interest is as far as you know is incredibly beloved, well received, and no one seems to hate her in any way. Now, when people you first meet talk to you, they eventually go, "Wait. Excuse me, your last name is 'X' are you related to or the wife of the famous writer Mr. 'X'?" You say, "yes." "Oh clearly, he based the main heroine off of you cause you are exactly like her. You must having a loving relationship like they do." Now, that goes on for years. And as far as you are concern, it is that loving its just he is busy at work. Now, when you ask you husband about the main character's mother he says publicly is based her off you. That character is clearly a Expy of the main heroine, no one you know thinks otherwise. Now then, suddenly to everyone's shock the main character does not marry the main heroine but some other random chick most people you know can barely recall existing. You had no clue it was happening either. Yes, your husband has been acting different for the past few months, but you largely chalk that up to the passing of his father. Now, likely the entire day you are getting message of sympathy because clearly something must be going wrong in your marriage for your husband to do this, because everyone else you know has also gotten used to the idea the main characters' pairing reflects your marriage. Your husband comes home. You ask. He makes excuses. How do you feel?

 

For what it matters, they haven't divorce as far as I know, and they did have more kids after the ending of Naruto. So, I suspect he actually told what happen eventually. She wasn't happy. Once the data came in that the nH/SS was the worse decision financially, neither was he. So they largely patch things up, helped that Kishimoto was able to spend more time with the family. 

 

Ah yes, I remember reading this article back in 2015.

The interview that ends all Kishimoto's interviews. His career as a mangaka pretty much went downhill from that point onwards. I suppose he's already wealthy enough and he can retire.

You can tell that he's trying hard to do damage control. They knew they're loosing a segment of the customer with the ending. They just don't know the magnitude of killing NS (more than ~95% manga sales drop if we go by the stats).

Fast forward, Naruto franchise is not even in top 50 annual sales. His new manga barely sold 10k copies per volume and was cancelled at volume 5. He's forced to return to Boruto, and took it over from the previous writer, only to have its sales continue declining.

To be fair, almost every interview he had since the ending has been trying to damage control in someway.

 

If that's the interview that did it. Then it probably because its the one he had a ComicCon as promotion for the Boruto movie. Most of his interviews are in Japan so they have to filter through both people bringing them into a more international form and who is translating it.

 

Here, this one is in the US, so its easier to spread, and I think there was even video. Easier to disseminate. Easier for people to spot the BS.

 

I still think Kishimoto is just an advisor seeing as Boruto hasn't really changed that much since he has been back. Even if he is doing the writing he leaving Ikemoto in charge of the story.




#990291 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 24 July 2023 - 07:56 PM

It's lowkey strange that kishimoto hasn't done fleshed out backstories or even last names for some characters

Kishimoto generally only does an initial story of a character and they only get more if they interest him. He doesn't go into a character if he doesn't have to.

 

Last names have to do with clans in Japan. If you are not part of a clan, you don't have a last name. They only went everyone has a last name, during the Meiji period due to modernization and westernization. But, it is still not considered that strange for a character to only have a first name in Japan for a manga character, especially if set in a more feudal time.

 

Kushina and the Uzumaki just being the most notable.

 

Originally, Kushina didn't exist and the Uzumaki clan only existed to hide that the Fourth Hokage was Naruto's father. The Uzumaki clan was originally just some random important clan the 4th married into. Which is another misunderstanding the West has as they think Naruto's true name is Naruto Namikaze when it still is Uzumaki, Naruto. Originally, everything Naruto had was either from his father (his looks, rasengan, & seals) or Kurama (chakra, stamina, & regeneration.) With only his name coming from his mother's side of the family. Then, Kishimoto's wife asked about Naruto's mother. So he made Kushina based off her, and since his type is Sakura-like women; Kushina was a very Sakura-like character. Then, to add more to the Naruto-Sasuke conflict, he tied the Uzumaki clan into that hot mess. To make them more important, they got several powers that were originally either Minato's or Kurama's: seals, large reserve of Chakra, stamina, and regeneration.

 

Of course this causes problems as even his biggest defenders question, why did Naruto never learn any sealing techniques?

 

Thanks for that, I must have forgotten about the last part of that interview. However, it seems like he said he thinks it would lead to tension in the house, but it was fine for the time being. In either case, I take his interviews even less seriously than the manga ending. There was that other interview, where the guy next to him said his favorite character was Hinata, and Kishis reply was you like big bosomed girls? Barf.

One thing that always struck me as funny was how they essentially stole the Sakura/Ino rivalry to kill Narusaku. The part where Sakura explains Naruto perused her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That explanation makes no sense, its just lazy plagiarism.

That's the same interview he called SS toxic and cliché. I take that as Kishimoto finally looking into his fanbase. One of the first things you learn about nH, even if you don't dive deep, is they are obsessed with her breast, that are bigger than Sakura's, and its one of her major points in her favor.

 

An important thing about Sakura in the last is she is the one pushing the two together and she is presented as the one that understands Naruto the most. Though of course doesn't love him, as only Hinata has or ever will love him or is even allowed to love him. So while it is the staff using rivalry to dismiss NS it is suppose to be accurate. With Naruto silence as agreement. Originally, he was suppose to vocally agree and go further but Junko refused to say the lines.




#990290 Bail o' Lies Nickname of Boruto's character for the summaries.

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 24 July 2023 - 07:03 PM

I updated the character notes post with stuff from the end of part one and the two side manga.

 

I had forgotten Therece and Blue turned this into a SS debate thread for some reason.

 

The funny thing is that Salad is just pairing fodder now, as shown by the end of part one. Her goal of becoming Hokage is unimportant to the plot. What is important is, she loves Bolt, immune to Hime's Omnipotence power, and she got her Daddy to train Bolt.

 

Her goal of becoming Hokage is something the manga has never cared about.

 

As for SS, Edo Tensei, and half of Boruto fanbase is not that impressive.

 

Just for a heads up. This is a Boruto character discussion topic not an SS pairing topic. Normally, I don't do this. But, any further discussion of SS that does not relate to Boruto. I will report and hope the mods will be kind enough to delete. If people want to debate & discuss SS. Make a topic for it already.




#990280 Minato One Shot: The Whirlwind Inside The Vortex

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 23 July 2023 - 11:16 PM

A friend of mine actually read the one shot even though he was a stark fan of Boruto he conceded the author didn't make the story he wanted by going with nH... it goes to show that Kishimoto putting his heart into something meant more than Boruto's quantity>quality approach

Kishimoto isn't the mangaka of Boruto. That's Ikemoto and passion is not something he is capable of .

 

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Seems Kishimoto put a lot of similarity between Sakura and Kushina into his creation of the Minato one shot. I have seen a lot of different opinions about Sakura and some probably prefer her to Hinata since during the pandemic a lot of people watched Naruto for the first time and Sakura being 2nd place in North America and first in south as well as third place worldwide in the poll result must have convinced Kishimoto she wasn't as unpopular as he thought

Hinata always had more support among otaku and bitter fangirl. Sakura can be well received also as one can get passed a first impression and tolerate the hitting of Naruto.

 

I won't say convinced as "reassured" and "proved him right."




#990279 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 23 July 2023 - 11:07 PM

Some news: there will be a 4 week naruto anime which seems to be about naruto part 1 coming in September

Oh did no one post that yet? Yeah they are doing a recap of Naruto in anime form. Think that video from last year. It feels like the rest of the stuff happening recently. That the companies are sick of Naruto-Boruto not making them the money they were promised. So there doing all this stuff to see where they can get money or is Naruto-Boruto just dead.

 

Its the same reason we got the two side manga and the poll winning one shot. Same reason they are having CC2 do a new Naruto-Boruto game. Same reason why they had Ikemoto speed up his manga to end part one so they could do part two with a new title in hopes of separating it from part one.

 

I mean think about it: when SP asked Kishi to do a filler arc in the war he came up with that ninja asking Sakura out and him asking if the guy she likes was a great person (and you see Sakura having this unsure expression). I really think he was attempting to show Naruto fans that Sakura loving Sasuke wasn't a good thing. also he spent the rest of the war arc having Sakura have a fake smile when she was around Sasuke to the point where Sai noticed it and on top of that had the part where Karin and Sakura went and saved Sasuke and Naruto respectively and of course the toxic behavior and rejection Sasuke gave Sakura

Kishimoto hates SS so he went on disparaging it until the last minute he was forced to make it the end pairing. Then he continued in the gaiden. He didn't care enough about Hinata to do anything to Hinata other than make her trip. But he still ended up damaging that by not making it perfect like her fans wanted.

 

Not even sp's normal writer they hired some romance tv person who knew nothing about Naruto :laughcry:

Remember that before writing it he was given the scenes from the anime staff gave them. Which were all the filler Hinata scenes they made in the anime.

 

That always felt that the staff were trying to protect their movie while letting any of them get the blame if it flop by giving the role to a respected third party writer. Then molding him into their way of thinking. Even then you still have the contradictions and problems the movie had.