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#43021 BlackBird19

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 10:45 AM

@halfdemoninuyasha
Lee will not win, unless he has six gate.

Naruto can break neji kaiten because he's shroud by energy chakra(Kyubi).
So in theory, rasengan could do the same with it.

From what we were shown of the fights from both Neji and Lee you can't say for sure Lee couldn't beat him. Lee going full out almost beat a murderous Garra. A full blown jinchuuriki with dual defenses. Neji lost to Naruto who had almost no control over his own power at the time. Only utilizing Kyuubi to keep him in the fight. Not actually win it.

 

I've always seen the Neji/Lee dynamic to be another one Kishi's more tell and less show examples. We were told that Neji was better than Lee but never really shown why or how.



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 11:50 AM

@bail
Physical attack is useless against kaiten unless it's truly powerful.
Lee 5 gate can't ko garra with sand armor. Remember that garra is not in full power and he doesn't take the fight seriously which become the mistake when lee unleash the gate.

He doesn't have full control, but he can utilize it to a certain extent of power. This is why making naruto can't use it in the part 2 only do him disservice imo.

I agree. Well imo, almost all kekkei genkai are weak.
The reason neji look strong because the main character is still a genin. Once mc gain more power, neji and therefore will become a fodder.
Unlike lee who has water down version of kaioken who by itself is really powerful.

Design wise, hyuga are weak.

Edited by rocci, 31 March 2016 - 11:51 AM.


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 12:54 PM

I saw Naruto the Last at Wal-Mart today and I farted on it and I wiped my ass on it with no one looking. I didn't need to poop but it deserves my fart and my farts stink. 

 

If it makes you guys feel better I used the bluray copy at best buy as a punching bag then stomped on it a couple times before I gently place it behind the other copies of the last. 

 

Guys don't do that!!! then the shop employees would force you to buy that piece of kitten that is an insult to kittens!!!!

 

But Kudos anyway!!!!! :goodjob:


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 01:00 PM

@bail
Physical attack is useless against kaiten unless it's truly powerful.
Lee 5 gate can't ko garra with sand armor. Remember that garra is not in full power and he doesn't take the fight seriously which become the mistake when lee unleash the gate.

He doesn't have full control, but he can utilize it to a certain extent of power. This is why making naruto can't use it in the part 2 only do him disservice imo.

I agree. Well imo, almost all kekkei genkai are weak.
The reason neji look strong because the main character is still a genin. Once mc gain more power, neji and therefore will become a fodder.
Unlike lee who has water down version of kaioken who by itself is really powerful.

Design wise, hyuga are weak.

Well Neji would have to use Kaiten on a constant basis utilizing his chakra to hold off a stamina freak with much higher speed in Lee. Remember Gaara's defense worked on it's own for the most part due to his bijuu and Lee was still fast enough to break through it, even after Gaara consciously tried to speed his sand up. 

 

And it took a jinchuuriki to beat a jinchuuriki in the end. But you could argue about who's actually stronger for days on end because Kishi really made it confusing as to how strong each character actually is. He left all of them lacking in detail.  


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 02:27 PM

sasuke with his new gang :excited:

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 02:42 PM

 

 

Guys don't do that!!! then the shop employees would force you to buy that piece of kitten that is an insult to kittens!!!!

 

But Kudos anyway!!!!! :goodjob:

 

 

It felt like I became one with the dark side and I didn't regret doing it one bit.. 

 

Oh I could just imagine doing that out side of a store and some NH fan being like "Let me show you the light with the Last and I won't leave until my work is complete." 

 

 

If only I had a lightsaber I would've just turned out and went, "Then you will die!!" 

 

 

haha I can dream 


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:13 PM

sasuke with his new gang :excited:

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Yeah i was gonna make a post about this the animators really made him look like sasuke.



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:37 PM

Who is the studio behind it?

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:42 PM

again everyone seems to have missed the point of my post.

 

I was referring to the relevance of the characters involved not their battle attributes  or skills.


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 07:58 PM

sasuke with his new gang :excited:

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Took the words right outta my mouth! :excited:  :thanks:


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:08 PM

I wonder from where another series are the other characters?


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:33 PM

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I'll give my bet on neji because at that time fifth gate isn't strong enough and it take toll to your body. That's why when he enter that state, he need to finish the fight as soon as possible.

Well, the neji fight actually bring Hinata and lee. When naruto has flashback for loser in his match against neji he has a flashback over Hinata and lee when they stand up to fight in chunin exam. You can say naruto win is the win for loser.

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@hanabi
I will give credit for kishi regarding his character design over sasuke.
At least they are three character with character design like sasuke and his backstory:
Noctic (ff15)
Jin kazama ( tekken)
Haseo (hack gu).

But All of them have better character than sasuke.

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:37 PM

Oh I will not surprise if squall is one of (many) sasuke inspiration.

But if you play ff8, squall is like naruto than sasuke in term of romantic story.
While character wise zell is like naruto (or kiba), and the girl in the library is Hinata (type).

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 10:18 AM

Not even about lust, but pity and guilt (Kishimoto himself stating the pity while the novel of The Last specifies guilt) which, if anything, is even worse given it shows Naruto never had any feelings towards Hinata that could even be twisted into "love" (even lust could be twisted around like that)..

 

Whether it's "evil" or otherwise, it's clearly a completely forced smile.

 

You know what the harsh reality of all this is that no one but Kishi himself knows that chapter 700 and the Naruto Gaiden theoretically are a total different universe. What I mean is the The NG is just parody of the events of Chapter 700, which confirms that SS/NH are still a couple in the series while chapter 700 is a NS/SK trolling teaser that was use as a red herring for the hype for TL. Basically, what I'm saying is that chapter 700 has NS confirmed and its left opened and discontinued. Whats most likely to happen (if popularity does not interfere)  BoruSara is most likely end game in up coming manga, while chapter 700 its hinted that they could be sibling at the very least as stepbrother/stepsister.

 

It's nothing to be  proud of. Just look how kitten that chapter was. Naruto does the same thing to Sakura that he's doing to Hinata in the Gaiden and present. This is Kishi's impression on the final chapter and to his readers. He does not give a kitten about his work nor his fans. He mocks his creation and the entire Naruto fandom. He just hates it all and want to start a fresh new clean fandom from scratch in his up coming Sci-fi manga.  Imagine that backlash if this version was official.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:08 AM

i know it's late, and sakura's birthday has passed but,:

 

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#43036 Hanabi

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 04:15 PM

happy belated birthday besto girl

 

 

 

Yeah i was gonna make a post about this the animators really made him look like sasuke.

 

iirc fans were already comparing them when the initial art models were published xD


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 04:32 PM

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Posted 03 April 2016 - 08:44 AM

in the context of the story Neji could beat Lee becausefor all lees speed and power at the time he ran into the same issue he ran into with gaara an impenetrable defense with the kaiten that would turn that energy back on him as it did with naruto who won when he out thought neji in the end.


this is late, but...

also in the context of the story, Neji didn't have the Kaiten yet during the preliminaries, right? Which means all he has going for him is shutting down people's chakra networks... something that Lee would easily overcome if they did fight each other during those preliminaries.

 

 

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NH Fans I have the ultimate Question for you. :fu: WHAT. Did. Naruto. Like about Hinata? :zaru: And NO the fact that she never gave up and is a proud loser don't count, those was traits that she picked up from him. Anime only scenes don't count either, so don't even bring up that crap about her cooking for him and he (Naruto) saying she'd make a good wife WHAT did Naruto like about Hinata, be it her looks or her personality?

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock. ...........................................


As a former NH fan, I feel obligated to answer.

The things Naruto liked about Hinata were entirely my headcanon. Specifically: wish fulfillment, headcanon, and overhype of part 1 Hinata.

It’s just like the Team 7 moment in the war arc. Excitement was at an all time high at first but when I took a minute to look beyond this delusional effect, NH (and the ending in general) made me feel... used.

My "winning couple" didn't have proper positive development, and there are still unresolved problems such as Naruto's other important bonds and Hyuuga Branch enslavement. We were told (more like bashed in the head over and over in the Hiden novels) that Naruto and Hinata had "amazing chemistry and were perfect for each other!" but I couldn't accept that anymore. Because by this point headcanons just didn't cut it for me anymore regarding plot or pairings or anything. I wanted actual content.

 

When Naruto The Last and the novels came out, I couldn't even defend my ship because Kishimoto couldn't even give me anything worth defending. To this day I still roll my eyes whenever someone calls Hinata (or any character) derogatory names because harassment of a fictional character is still harassment, but when faced with people who have legit arguments, all I can say in response (quite pathetically) is that "at least NH doesn't seem as bad as SS, in-universe".

 

Rather like a placebo effect, at the end of it all I only felt emptiness. And then anger. ...And then disappointment. Nowadays I look back on my old Naruto stuff (including my NH headcanons) with nostalgia. In those days I was young and naive, and had no idea how badly Kishimito was going to FUBAR his series.

 

 

 

TL;DR - Everything that Naruto supposedly liked about Hinata was my own imagination. It was never real. Just like the red scarf that connected the couple together; no matter how many times it was alluded to in N:TL, one look at the original manga would reveal that it was all a fantasy, and the connection never existed.


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Posted 03 April 2016 - 09:48 AM

@skarow
Neji already have it. He just doesn't show it in pleminary fight.

I think many nh fan think naruto like Hinata since he said that "he like people like her". I think they misinterpret it (like Hinata) that naruto like her.
What naruto said is he like the people who shy and awkward like her. He doesn't say that he romantically like her.

Have kishi follow up it with some romantic feed back from naruto, than nh argument will be valid. But it didn't.




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