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[zig-zag-zombies]

I thought it was a good chapter. Once again, it's showing the maturity level that Naruto has reached. Even with Nagato right in front of him, Naruto was able to hold himself back to listen to Nagato before passing his judgment. In that sort of situation, where I would be so filled with rage, I don't know if I'd be able to do what Naruto is doing.

As for Nagato's story, while I admit it is painful, I think Naruto has as great or a greater understanding of what True pain is. I'm interested to see what happens when Naruto has already experienced such great pain. I'm also interested to see Konan's reaction in all of this. I find myself thinking that she's much more devoted to Nagato than to Akatsuki itself.

Not too much to say about this chapter, but I'm excited to see the next one.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Anyone ever played and finished MGS4? The Beauty and the Beast Unit seems like something Nagato would join. It's possible that Nagato is suffering from extreme Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from being a war orphan, even if his parents' death could've been stopped, the death and destruction around him may break his fragile, innocent mind. So, his Pain may have been accumulating before, and the death of his parents just made him snap. The only way he could cope with PTSD is to 'share' that pain of losing your loved ones due to ninjas.

[Sora no Kitsune]

Although this chapter was good, it was still pretty uneventful. I was hoping there would be more talking or a few panels of other people like Sakura, which disapointed me alittle. Other than that, it was an average chapter. Hope next week's chapter is better and more eventful.

[Daniee]

The second time Nagato experienced pain is obviously going to be greater than his parents getting killed. For one, we know what happens after the flashback in this chapter: Nagato is sad, then gets better thanks to Yahiko, Konan, and Jiraiya (a Leaf ninja). Secondly, if you look back on his talks with Tsunade and Naruto, his grudge towards Konoha is more directed towards them being too powerful and how they destroyed Hidden Rain with their wars.

And just a heads up to everyone; Golden Week is coming up. After next week, there won't be a chapter the following one.

[Blayze]

Am I the only one who saw the Konoha ninja apologising to Pain and instantly thought "Iruka?" It'd be a truly awesome way to Chekhov's Gun his scar...

[Yoko]

Dude, me too. Was all, "WTFIruka?!" It was WIERD, man.

Also, boring chapter is boring. D:

[Paptala]

Am I the only one who saw the Konoha ninja apologising to Pain and instantly thought "Iruka?" It'd be a truly awesome way to Chekhov's Gun his scar...

That would be the MOST epic explanation for Iruka's scar ever! >< I think it would add so much more depth to his character. Alas, I don't think that Iruka was old enough to be in that war.

[Derock]

Am I the only one who saw the Konoha ninja apologising to Pain and instantly thought "Iruka?" It'd be a truly awesome way to Chekhov's Gun his scar...

Dude, me too. Was all, "WTFIruka?!" It was WIERD, man.

Also, boring chapter is boring. D:

That would be the MOST epic explanation for Iruka's scar ever! >< I think it would add so much more depth to his character. Alas, I don't think that Iruka was old enough to be in that war.

Now, HOLD ON. Where did you guys see Iruka in the flashbacks? *rereads chapter* I hardly didn't see him...

EDIT: NVM, you were referring to the nin whom apologizing for the incident.

[Sora no Kitsune]

It didi sorta seem like Iruka but he wasn't the old during that time. Nagato is about the same age or age area as Iruka so they would both be kids at the time, so i don't think it would work.

[ciardha]

So True, Paptala. It's like Sasuke justifying his actions to destroy the Hidden Leaf because of the actions of three people. It has no purpose really at all, even if it couldn't have been avoided in his case. I don't feel too much sympathy either for Nagato because of the fact what he's done as Pain shows he has no sympathy for others, so that's why he'd get no sympathy from me.

Bryon

Exactly. It left me cold. His parents deaths were accidental, not the result of a heartless slaughter like what he's done more than once. Yahiko's death better be a really horrific or I'm still going to have zero sympathy for him. He's a heartless slaughterer who thinks his actions are good, just and the will of God, and he's that God. That's a monster equal to or worse than Osama bin Laden.

And Nagato's age, nah he's older than Shikaku (Shikamaru's dad) Look at how young Jiraiya looks when he spent those three years with Konan, Yahiko, and Nagato. He looks younger than he did when he taught Minato as a Genin. Jiraiya spent the three years with them before he taught Minato. (probably from 18-21 years old, when he leaves he's looking closer to the age he was in the team picture with Minato as a Genin. And if Minato is roughly the same age as Shikaku that would work out perfectly, Jiraiya would have been 21 when he started teaching the 10 year old Minato. I believe the third databook doesn't give an age for Konan, etc... but says they were about 10 years old when they met Jiraiya- that would make Konan and Nagato three years older than Shikaku, Inoichi and Chozu) Nagato and Konan are in their 40's, probably around the same age as Hisashi Hyuuga. Yahiko's body is younger looking because he died.

Iruka wouldn't have even been born when Nagato was a kid. Iruka was still an Academy student when Konoha was attacked by the Kyuubi. Maybe it could have been Iruka's father though. That would be an interesting irony.

Edited by ciardha, 18 April 2009 - 04:48 AM.

[Codus N]

I think (judging from their appearance) they're probably in their 30's.... Konan looks too young to be around 40...

[KungFuTruffle]

Going back and reading the chapter again, I now hate Nagato all the more.

When the Leaf ninja investigate, Nagato knocks over an object (I think it's a cup, but it might be a vase.), causing it to break on the ground, allerting the Leaf ninja to their presence. His father immediately CHARGES AT THE NINJA.

In other words, Nagato murdered Jiraiya, destroyed the Hidden Leaf Village, shishkafrogged Fukusaku, and stabbed Hinata right in front of Naruto... because his clumsiness got his parents killed. Parents who weren't smart enough to realize that CIVILIAN != NINJA.

GAH!

Edited by Gravity, 18 April 2009 - 07:39 AM.

[Daniee]

In other words, Nagato murdered Jiraiya, destroyed the Hidden Leaf Village, shishkafrogged Fukusaku, and stabbed Hinata right in front of Naruto... because his clumsiness got his parents killed. Parents who weren't smart enough to realize that CIVILIAN != NINJA.

Nagato doesn't hate Konoha for accidentally killing his parents. Heck, he made friends with the first muderee you mentioned right after the events of this chapter. Nagato would be a hypocrite if he hated Konoha just because his parents were killed. He's looking at the big picture and sees that many people in Hidden Rain have suffered because Konoha has waged war there for their own benefit. No matter how you look at it, Nagato's parents died because Konoha was at war, but he's just one of the victims.

And to all those saying they feel no sympathy for Nagato...really? His parents were killed in front of him. Whether it was an accident or not doesn't make it hurt any less you know. It just doesn't give him someone to be pissed at as much as if it was done in cold blood, and when he met Jiraiya afterwards he wasn't angry at anybody, only depressed.

Edited by Daniee, 18 April 2009 - 02:29 PM.

[Kori]

Nagato doesn't hate Konoha for accidentally killing his parents. Heck, he made friends with the first muderee you mentioned right after the events of this chapter. Nagato would be a hypocrite if he hated Konoha just because his parents were killed. He's looking at the big picture and sees that many people in Hidden Rain have suffered because Konoha has waged war there for their own benefit. No matter how you look at it, Nagato's parents died because Konoha was at war, but he's just one of the victims.

And to all those saying they feel no sympathy for Nagato...really? His parents were killed in front of him. Whether it was an accident or not doesn't make it hurt any less you know. It just doesn't give him someone to be pissed at as much as if it was done in cold blood, and when he met Jiraiya afterwards he wasn't angry at anybody, only depressed.

exactly i feel almost the same, the only difference is i feel that he is taking this particular instance a little to hard and the next one will be EXTREMLY more horrific, you can tell simply with that he starts with this and knowing anyone at least from a storytellers standpoint, you tell the lesser things first usually for a set up or warm up as for what's to come. i feel it's going to be something with Yahiko but i could be wrong, knowing Pain, he always seems to stump people. but i think if he only had this incident and he still came out the way he is now i would be like how everyone else is it just isn't enough to turn into Pain and would feel for him, but i understand why he would still want to change the world. damn it's hard to make sense DAMN YOU KISHIMOTO FOR MAKING THIS A TOUCHY CHAPTER!!!!

[ciardha]

I think (judging from their appearance) they're probably in their 30's.... Konan looks too young to be around 40...

Kishimoto doesn't draw ninja characters in their 40's looking any older than ninja in their 30's . For many people in real life their looks don't change much between 30- and later 40's. Jiraiya's appearance doesn't change from his thirties until he passes 50. When Naruto meets Jiraiya he still looks the same age as he did in when Kushina was pregnant with Naruto. Tsume looks the same age in her face in Kiba's flashback, when he was a Academy student and she would have been in her early thirties, as she does now at 40. Kishimoto doesn't make ninja characters look older until they pass 50. Jiraiya didn't start looking older than he did in his 30's until part 2 of the manga, when he was going into his mid 50's.

[Paptala]

Kishimoto doesn't draw ninja characters in their 40's looking any older than ninja in their 30's . For many people in real life their looks don't change much between 30- and later 40's. Jiraiya's appearance doesn't change from his thirties until he passes 50. When Naruto meets Jiraiya he still looks the same age as he did in when Kushina was pregnant with Naruto. Tsume looks the same age in her face in Kiba's flashback, when he was a Academy student and she would have been in her early thirties, as she does now at 40. Kishimoto doesn't make ninja characters look older until they pass 50. Jiraiya didn't start looking older than he did in his 30's until part 2 of the manga, when he was going into his mid 50's.

That's a really good point. I hadn't really noticed that. Thanks for bringing it up!

[Nawheetos]

For a while now, I had been wondering what it was that the Elder Toad was referring to when he spoke with Jiraya. He mentioned that a decision that Jiraya would make would dictate whether the Child of Destiny would destroy the world or bring the world together in peace. I think this chapter made it clear to me exactly what the decision was that Jiraya made. I know that Naruto had flashbacks to his conversation with Jiraya before about being entrusted to find the answer to make it so people can understand each other and work together; but this is the first time where that conversation and goal has become a driving point for Naruto. Even Minato hints that there has to be a change. I think that Jiraya's conversation to Naruto that day when he was young was the decision that the Elder Toad was talking about in his vision. At least, that's what it looks like to me.

That's a good interpretation, I agree - except I think it was more Jiraiya's decision in general, which he cemented just before he died, to entrust everything to Naruto ie. trust him to find this elusive answer (I'm really intrigued - does Kishimoto know how to bring about world peace?!)