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#7601 sushi.

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 09:51 PM

More like deflected the attack. He met Big Mom's hand with a kick. Bare in mind, he more or less just kicked Prometheus like I said.
 
Next chapter, Sanji awakens king's haki. Okay but being serious (I know he won't next chapter), will anybody other than Luffy get it on the crew? I feel like it's required for Zoro to reach Yonko level and for Sanji to reach Admiral level. You can't tell me the admirals don't have it awakened. Just like how obvious it is that they all have awakened devil fruits. At the very least Zoro gets it.

There's a theory on YT on why marines don't have conqueror's. It's something about freedom and will and I'd really like if it were true.

Agree about Sanji and Zoro. Luffy will be PK level, Zoro a yonko level or a bit less(much like how Rayleigh probably was), and Sanji at least an admiral. But I think the gap between them is tighter than that of a yonko and an admiral. Yonkos eat admirals for dinner.

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 11:22 PM

More like deflected the attack. He met Big Mom's hand with a kick. Bare in mind, he more or less just kicked Prometheus like I said.
 
Next chapter, Sanji awakens king's haki. Okay but being serious (I know he won't next chapter), will anybody other than Luffy get it on the crew? I feel like it's required for Zoro to reach Yonko level and for Sanji to reach Admiral level. You can't tell me the admirals don't have it awakened. Just like how obvious it is that they all have awakened devil fruits. At the very least Zoro gets it.

Which is the exact same thing.

Zoro is the only person that'll get it most likely. Just like Rayleigh. There is absolutely zero reason why Sanji should get it. Marco didn't have it and he was about Admiral level, and was a candidate for Yonko after WB died.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 12:16 AM

Which is the exact same thing.

Zoro is the only person that'll get it most likely. Just like Rayleigh. There is absolutely zero reason why Sanji should get it. Marco didn't have it and he was about Admiral level, and was a candidate for Yonko after WB died.

I don't think either of them will get it. Rayleigh is different because his main strength is haki, but Zoro and Sanji focus on martial arts and swords. Haki is accessories to theur fighting style, and Zoro specializes in armament and Sanji in observation. They'll likely just strengthen that.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 12:31 AM

I don't think either of them will get it. Rayleigh is different because his main strength is haki, but Zoro and Sanji focus on martial arts and swords. Haki is accessories to theur fighting style, and Zoro specializes in armament and Sanji in observation. They'll likely just strengthen that.

Sanji doesn't have armament haki? I just know that.

I think if zoro is in the yonko level, so do sanji since they're pretty much a rival. It just zoro will always better than sanji because he's number 3.

Luffy will fight bm and win with or without the assist of nami and brook.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 01:30 AM

Sanji doesn't have armament haki? I just know that.

I think if zoro is in the yonko level, so do sanji since they're pretty much a rival. It just zoro will always better than sanji because he's number 3.

Luffy will fight bm and win with or without the assist of nami and brook.

I never said Sanji didn't have armament, I said he doesn't specialize in it. Luffy is best at conqueror's but he has the other two as well.

The problem with Luffy defeating BM is that her children will come after him for revenge and they might even hurt people in their hometowns. She's an abusive and controlling mother but overall her kids are loyal to her. You see that in their reactions to Bege's betrayal.

If you fight a yonko you fight the whole crew. And their goal is to escape the island(not taking down BM), but they won't be safe even then. Zoro will be proven right - he didn't want Luffy to go after Sanji because he knew they can't handle one yonko before them and another one behind.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 02:02 AM

I don't think either of them will get it. Rayleigh is different because his main strength is haki, but Zoro and Sanji focus on martial arts and swords. Haki is accessories to theur fighting style, and Zoro specializes in armament and Sanji in observation. They'll likely just strengthen that.


Rayleigh is a swordsman. Nothing was ever said about his main strength being Haki. Rayleigh is in essence the same as Shanks. Both swordsman, both incredibly proficient with Haki. There isn't a reason that Zoro can't get it because he uses swords.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 02:13 AM

Rayleigh is a swordsman. Nothing was ever said about his main strength being Haki. Rayleigh is in essence the same as Shanks. Both swordsman, both incredibly proficient with Haki. There isn't a reason that Zoro can't get it because he uses swords.

I think we can compare it to Shanks and Mihawk. Shanks has a sword and uses it but is mainly a haki user. Mihawk is the other way around. I think Zoro and Rayleigh are similar to that.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 03:36 AM

I think we can compare it to Shanks and Mihawk. Shanks has a sword and uses it but is mainly a haki user. Mihawk is the other way around. I think Zoro and Rayleigh are similar to that.


? Shanks is a swordsman that rivals Mihawk, his fights against Mihawk were legendary. He isn't "mainly" a haki user.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 05:00 AM

Yonkos eat admirals for dinner.

I highly disagree. Oda said if Akainu was the main protagonist instead of Luffy, the story would conclude within a year. He had a long fight with Aokiji. So two admirals fought almost on par for several days, with one barely beating the other. The one who won, Akainu, is stronger than or on par with the Yonkos.

 

Admirals are the front force of the marines and government. 3 admirals, 1 fleet admiral vs 4 Yonko. Not much of a difference. Also, Mother Caramel said that one day Big Mom would be Admiral level. Notice how she doesn't say Fleet Admiral.

 

Order imo:

 

Pirate King > Blackbeard (should be strongest Yonko at the end of the series) > Akainu > Shanks > Kizaru > Kaido > Fujitora > Big Mom > Green Bull

 

If the order isn't mixed up in a way similar to this, then marines don't have much power in the New World. Let's remember that Roger was the Pirate King, and still had to fight with Garp, Sengoku, Tsuru and Kong. The marines should always rival the strongest pirates in strength.


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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:28 AM

? Shanks is a swordsman that rivals Mihawk, his fights against Mihawk were legendary. He isn't "mainly" a haki user.

He became one when he lost his arm. I believe that's when he started training his haki to the point of damaging surrounding objects. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman but you really think he is stronger than Shanks? Lmaoo

I highly disagree. Oda said if Akainu was the main protagonist instead of Luffy, the story would conclude within a year. He had a long fight with Aokiji. So two admirals fought almost on par for several days, with one barely beating the other. The one who won, Akainu, is stronger than or on par with the Yonkos.
 
Admirals are the front force of the marines and government. 3 admirals, 1 fleet admiral vs 4 Yonko. Not much of a difference. Also, Mother Caramel said that one day she would be Admiral level. Notice how she doesn't say Fleet Admiral.
 
Order imo:
 
Pirate King > Blackbeard (should be strongest Yonko at the end of the series) > Akainu > Shanks > Kizaru > Kaido > Fujitora > Big Mom > Green Bull
 
If the order isn't mixed up in a way similar to this, then marines don't have much power in the New World. Let's remember that Roger was the Pirate King, and still had to fight with Garp, Sengoku, Tsuru and Kong. The marines should always rival the strongest pirates in strength.

Akainu was the strongest admiral pre timeskip and first WB destroyed him and he feared WB so that tells you something about the gap. Then Shanks blocked his fist casually, but when he blocked WB's sword the sky split.

Admirals are on par with a yonko's first mate but not the captain himself. WB had all three admirals attack him at once so the marines may rival yonkos but not individually except perhaps Garp and we don't know Akainu's current strength. When you say it's 3 admirals and one FA vs 4 yonkos it sounds like the yonkos are allies but they're not, so in truth it's 1 yonko vs 3 admirals and one FA.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 05:34 PM

I highly disagree. Oda said if Akainu was the main protagonist instead of Luffy, the story would conclude within a year. He had a long fight with Aokiji. So two admirals fought almost on par for several days, with one barely beating the other. The one who won, Akainu, is stronger than or on par with the Yonkos.

 

Admirals are the front force of the marines and government. 3 admirals, 1 fleet admiral vs 4 Yonko. Not much of a difference. Also, Mother Caramel said that one day she would be Admiral level. Notice how she doesn't say Fleet Admiral.

 

Order imo:

 

Pirate King > Blackbeard (should be strongest Yonko at the end of the series) > Akainu > Shanks > Kizaru > Kaido > Fujitora > Big Mom > Green Bull

 

If the order isn't mixed up in a way similar to this, then marines don't have much power in the New World. Let's remember that Roger was the Pirate King, and still had to fight with Garp, Sengoku, Tsuru and Kong. The marines should always rival the strongest pirates in strength.

There's a lot of flawed logic here. First of all, at the time of the fight, neither Aokiji or Akainu were Yonko level. Just because they fought against each other, and that fight lasted three days, it doesn't mean that after beating Aokiji, Akainu was on Yonko level. Neither one of them were there to begin with, so fighting and beating someone who is weaker than a Yonko doesn't make you as strong as one. 

 

Secondly, Akainu got destroyed by Whitebeard. A severely injured and dying WB used Akainu's body to split MF in half. 

 

Also, Mother Caramel did say that Big Mom could potentially be a fleet admiral candidate, but that doesn't mean anything tbh. It has no relevancy. 

 

And then there's the fact that Akainu was scared of Shanks when he just showed up, and Shanks alone ended a war because he was merely there. If Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru couldn't kill a dying WB together, there's no way in hell they were going to kill Shanks. Admirals aren't Yonko level. That's a fact.

 

He became one when he lost his arm. I believe that's when he started training his haki to the point of damaging surrounding objects. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman but you really think he is stronger than Shanks? Lmaoo

No, he didn't. Shanks was a swordsman well before he lost his arm. Shanks and Mihawk fought numerous times that became legendary before Shanks met Luffy. WB alluded to that, and so did Mihawk at the beginning of the story when we first saw him meet Shanks and he said that he had no interest in fighting Shanks now that Shanks had lost his arm. Following him losing his arm, Oda stated that it had zero affect on his swordsmanship. 

 

I never said he was stronger than Shanks. They were rivals. 


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Posted 01 July 2017 - 12:45 AM

He didn't hit her directly, he blocked an attack to protect his sis. So, it would be, but it isn't.

I too wonder how Sanji acts around bigger or older women actually..

 

Yeah I know, I'm just saying that IF you apply that logic the yeah, Sanji is sexist and objectifies women


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Posted 01 July 2017 - 01:17 AM

Yeah I know, I'm just saying that IF you apply that logic the yeah, Sanji is sexist and objectifies women


You mean he's even more sexist and objectifies them more than he already does lol

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Posted 01 July 2017 - 02:50 AM

Yeah why not!? :zaru:  :lmao:  :P


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Posted 01 July 2017 - 04:12 AM

Did you guys forget the part where Akainu blasted off a quarter of Whitebeard's face off? Let's also not forget that Whitebeard wasn't Yonko level, he was Pirate King level.


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Posted 01 July 2017 - 10:54 AM

Did you guys forget the part where Akainu blasted off a quarter of Whitebeard's face off? Let's also not forget that Whitebeard wasn't Yonko level, he was Pirate King level.


Did you forget that getting half his face blown off was nothing to WB? And that he shrugged it off and still used Akainu to split the island in half? Blowing half his face off wasn't impressive in the least. He did it out of desperation and it still didn't do anything. WB wasn't PK level, else he would have been the PK, not Roger. He was the strongest Yonko, and humiliated the Admirals because he was that much stronger.

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Posted 01 July 2017 - 02:53 PM

I always think that admiral is a yonko level.

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Posted 01 July 2017 - 04:41 PM

I always think that admiral is a yonko level.

Admirals are first mate level. Not yonko.

WB might have been PK level in his prime but old sick and wounded he was yonko level.

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Posted 01 July 2017 - 05:47 PM

So I take the following goes:

 

Fleet admiral is Yonko level and maybe Dragon is around that level.

 

The Three Sweet Commanders of big mom, The three disasters of the beast pirates, 16 Division Commanders of the Whitebeard pirates (though I assuming it's mainly the division commanders from 1-5) the captain of the blackbeard fleet, Benn Beckman and possibly Sabo and silver rayleigh equal Admiral level.


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 12:27 AM

Did you forget that getting half his face blown off was nothing to WB? And that he shrugged it off and still used Akainu to split the island in half? Blowing half his face off wasn't impressive in the least. He did it out of desperation and it still didn't do anything. WB wasn't PK level, else he would have been the PK, not Roger. He was the strongest Yonko, and humiliated the Admirals because he was that much stronger.

Blowing off his face meant he was dead after the war. He just wasn't going down just yet. He was enraged, and fighting till his last breath. WB was Pirate King level. Him and Roger were almost equals. Whitebeard didn't want the One Piece. That is the one and only reason he didn't replace Roger as Pirate King. He wanted a family, and that is all. Eventually, he also wanted to raise Ace to replace his old man.

 

Make no mistake about it, though. His face was only blasted off because Akainu kept using tricks. Whitebeard was much stronger than the Yonkos, as he could become Pirate King if he cared about it.


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