To be fair to Goku fanboys, that was stupid as hell. It made no sense. It couldn't simply be that he was caught off guard, since that has happened a ton of times and the fighters didn't actually get killed by an attack that was vastly weaker than them. So he powered down. But why would he power down so much that he can get killed by something that has a power level that is probably one one billionth of his max? What would be the point? It shouldn't matter if he's in base form since the base Goku is also ridiculously stronger than some crappy laser. They made base Goku absurdly strong.
It's made worse by making it something that Frieza actually planned out. Like it's very stupid that it worked, but the fact that someone as evil and ruthless as Frieza actually expected it to work is even stupider.
Seriously, I was in awe of how dumb that was.
To be fair to the argument, even if it is stupid as hell, why can't it be used in an argument that Goku is basically a glass canon? If he doesn't activiely try to block an attack he can be killed by one or even blind sided by a theoretically weaker opponents. Even Freeza almost got sliced in half by Krillian if he didn't dodge it. I mean, this has been proven all the way in the Freeza Saga where Vegeta asks Krillian to blast a hole in him and Krillian says he doesn't have enough to power to do that. Vegeta replies that he will lower his power to the point of even krillian being able to do damage. So essentially, Goku has to actively put up a defense. This is not just some random BS they threw into the plot of Dragonball...it has existed even during the Freeza saga. So as "stupid" as you might think it is...it is consistent with the plot of DB.
With that being said though....my biggest beef is that if something happens to say Superman where a plot induced stupidity moment occurs, they take this an an undeniable fact that Superman cannot survive something like this even though in other or even later comics, when it is stated that Superman is more powerful, he easily survives it or feels nothing from it.
The stories and the plot induced stupidity is one thing with the writers because some drama needs to be made, but the fanbase is a whole other thing entirely. Like I said Cherry picking.
Like, take example the whole "Goku can destroy the universe in 3 punches" kitten DBZ fanboys love using. Read the actual panel and both Goku and Beerus threw several punches and even the Earth was still standing. So how can the Universe be in trouble from three punches, when Earth AT THE EPICENTER OF THE EXPLOSIONS FROM THE PUNCHES remains unaffected? Like, DBZ is such full of BS that you have to wonder how seriously can you take it. Piccolo or whoever blowing up the moon? Do they even realize what would that do to our planet? It would essentialy destroy most if not all life on our planet due to gravitational imbalances and this isn't even talking about particles or fragments of the moon that crashes to Earth.
What about the whole "Cell destroying the Solar System" argument? How is this even possible even from a DBZ standpoint? It would takes tons of energy and billions of years to accomplish that feat. I thought that was ridiculous too and took it as Cell just bragging...like most other villains in the DBZ universe do.
Freeza: "What happens when you mess with the most powerful being in universe." Except we know there are far more powerful beings like Cell and Beerus.
Burter: "He is not faster than the fastest man in the universe." I don't think I need to point this one out since DBZ abridged did it already.
And if we are to take the Cell solar system busting attack as serious, then why was Goku kittening his pants over an attack by Buu that could blow up the Earth 10 times over? If he is stronger than Cell at that point, wouldn't that attack be nothing? And don't even get me started with the Buu saga which was basically one cop-out after another especially with Buus magic beam that turns people into candy. Oh look three people get turned into chocolate and get eaten by Buu, one ceases to exist entirely, one dies and goes to the afterlife, and one somehow stays inside Buu in a safe little bubble with no explanation on why.
And this is just going on DBZ. I am not even talking about the ridiculous nature of DB with Goku putting a rabbit demon god or thing on the moon. Did they die when people blew up the moon?
If you were to really sit down and read the DB story in it's entirely, Goku getting blasted in the chest is really the LEAST most ridiculous thing in the story because that at least has the explanation of Goku can be blind-sided if caught off guard.
I also argue about Vegeta being killed by the planet exploding and it specifically says he does though not sure what exactly does him in. Is it because he can't breath in space or because he can't survive a planet exploding in his face? Many fanboys say that Goku and Vegeta are powerful enough to breath in space now AND can survive the planet exploding, but then Vegeta dies in during the Freeza return and then they say nothing or call it a stupid outlier. They love using this word "Outlier," but they only want to apply it when Goku is shown to get his ass kicked and not say showing a moment of Goku doing powerful once in a certain situation. (Like, Goku being unable to lift 1000 tons and this is specifically said, but apparently can blow up the universe in 3 punches.)
Kishimoto is "supervising" and "editing" the manga. The writer of the Boruto manga is supervising the anime. It is not clear which one is canon from what I know. But going by assume the same unless change; the manga. Which is what everyone else is clearly going by most of the time. But it is very clear that SP wants all the anime episodes to be consider canon, not only every Boruto episode, but even every Naruto episode that they have ever made. As for the inconsistencies there are many reason for those more then I can think off the top of my head.
As for Dragonball super from what I understand it is the anime that was dubbed canon, maybe by toriyama it been too long since I heard about it. Goku fanboy have always overstated his power. Look at death battle, both time they were not wrong in those fights. Superman has no limits and normally is holding back massively so he doesn't kill anyone. Goku has limits that he constantly surpasses by fighting stronger and stronger foes as well as gain new transformations that multiply his power.
Right, but both DBSuper and Boruto/Naruto have so many plot inconsistencies that I don't what is canon and what isn't anymore and the fans have taken to cherry picking.
Back in the day it used to be that the Manga took precedence and the anime was just an adaptation. Now they have the writers or the "canon" flip flop between anime movies, anime series, and the manga. The anime movies came out first and was said to be canon, but then the anime series retells and changes it, then the manga comes out and it tells the story again only to add/change even MORE details about the fight.
Toriyama makes Battle of Gods and Ressurection of F. We took it as canon because "Well, Toriyama did it." Then the anime and manga change it under Toriyama's apparent direction and now things are changing even more even under the recaps of the anime and manga of the same show. So what takes precedence? The movies came out first, but the later stuff modifies it and changes it so which one is the canon? What do we take as the legit first hand source? Also, the changes are significant enough to warrant a clarification like Goku being blasted in the chest in different ways in different forms.
Boruto is even worse.
Kishimoto wrote the movie of Boruto like this and this is how the characters are set up. Then SP changes all of that in the anime/manga of Boruto or even changes several other things that are obviously not Kishimoto's original intension, but we are told one is canon because "Kishimoto surprisves it." Now we don't know what is canon and what isn't anymore. We don't even know if Naruto the Last is canon because at least Ressurection of F gets talked about in the other sources, this one does not. The only reference is a vague reference to Toneri in Boruto's eyes or some stupid kitten I don't know, but the story NEVER gets brought up again and the characters from that story just "disappear." You would think Toneri would help fight the only clanmans against Boruto or some kitten like that, but nope he did his job making Naruto jealous and seflishly wanting Hinata for no reason at all other than "Because I am taking her away."
The fact that they keep changing every time they retell the same story or lead up the same story is the reason why this confusion is happening. This is the reason why this stuff is confusing and worse when they won't tell you what is canon and what isn't. They keep quiet about it probably because they keep doing rewrites to make it sound better.
Apparently "Retcons" is the new way to edit stories. That is equaivalent to saying "Abortion is a form of contraceptive."
I think konohamaru and hanabi Will make good pairing.
Anyway does hanabi behave like Hinata? Since i always see hanabi as female Neji.
What does it matter? They will just change her personality to whatever they want it to be.
One minute Hanabi is like Neji and then the next she becomes Hinata because she gets wet around Konohamaru and SP will glorify it all by saying "New Age NH."
Also, again, why? Up until this point Konohamaru and Hanabi have NO connection, interaction, or screentime yet they want me to believe that they already hit it off all of a sudden? Does SP even know the definition of character development? Is that all their idea of romance is is just randomly take two characters and smash them together because they only "look good" together? Whatever happened to real romance plots?
Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 March 2018 - 05:32 PM.