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[Insurrection]

http://www.msnbc.msn...ld_news-europe/

Bomb Attack in Downtown Oslo.

According to witnesses, Man dressed as Policeman attacks youth camp. Kids tweeted for help and scramble to get away from Island, reports of bodies.

Both attacks targeted the Prime Minister. Though it is not known at this moment who is responsible.

Edited by Insurrection, 22 July 2011 - 09:28 PM.

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Suspect Identified As Anders Behring Breivik right wing Nationalist.

Edited by Insurrection, 23 July 2011 - 01:45 AM.

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Summer Camp Death Toll Rises to 80.



They're calling it Europe's Oklahoma City.

Edited by Insurrection, 23 July 2011 - 09:07 AM.

[Vyse]

I live about a 90 minute drive from Oslo, and I can tell you guys that it's been a crazy day yesterday. I want to thank those of you who sent me SMS yesterday! I really appreciate your concern. My mom and sister was 200 meters from the big blast, but they avoided any injury because they threw themselves into our car. Huge shards of glass was raining down over people walking around the city, more than four blocks from the blast. The news has been on non-stop since it happened, and there's no good news as far as we know other than the fact that the guy has been captured. The blast in Oslo wasn't so bad compared to the connected shooting at the campsite where the children were shot and killed. So far they say that 91 people died yesterday, and almost all of these were young people under 25. My sister's best friend has heard nothing from her brother who attended the camp, and her family is more or less certain that they will never see him alive again. He was 18 years old and just finished high school and got his IB diploma with excellent grades. The police thinks the number of dead will be a lot bigger as there are so many still missing, and around 20 people still in critical condition at the hospital. This is surreal.

One thing I think will be the only positive part of this is how people reacted when they found out who did this. Almost all the Islamic leaders in Norway all but apologized on the behalf of their religion, since the media blamed muslim terrorists for this. When they found out that the terrorist was not only ethically Norwegian, but a religious Christian white man with blond hair, I suspect people finally opened their eyes and accepted that terrorists doesn't have brown skin and pray to Allah. Any ethnic group can have terrorists, and all that is required is the proper mindset. I hope that people learn from this and stop all the idiotic racism messing up our world with hate and paranoia. Religious belief doesn't make you a terrorist. This is something that has almost been forgotten after 9/11.

A white man can be a terrorist! Stop hating, and try to learn to care for everyone instead. I'm not a religious man myself, nor am I into politics, but I do see that people have to stop thinking "MUSLIM" every time they hear the word "terror".

I'm still in shock, so it's hard to concentrate on my grammar at the moment, so I apologize for this. I'm just posting here to tell you my own experience with this.

G.W. Bush, 9/11: "We're gonna hunt you down."
Stoltenberg, 22/7: "We will retaliate with more democracy"

"They can not destroy us. Our country might be a small one, but we are proud. No one can ruin our attempts to create a better world. No one can bomb us into silence. No one can shoot us to silence us. No one can prevent us from being Norwegian!" Jens Stoltenberg

[Strangelove]

Another crazy nut who decided he wanted to act out Grand Theft Auto in the real world

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Ok, what? A terrorist attack by itself is bad enough, but a deliberate attack on a youth camp because the Prime Minister's there? A YOUTH CAMP?! Honestly, what the hell? This is beyond unforgivable.

[ciardha]

Summer Camp Death Toll Rises to 80.



They're calling it Europe's Oklahoma City.

Yeah, that's exactly what came to my mind. McVeigh was a violent extremist far right winger and he blew up the Federal government building in Oklahoma City when we had a liberal leaning Democratic president. McVeigh didn't care in the least that he killed little children in a day care center that was in same building. He killed civilian government workers and people there waiting for the services offered in those government offices.

The report I heard was the suspect is a Norwegian citizen who is reported to be a neo nazi.

[Anguyen92]

Wow, I don't have the words to react to this that would do it justice, but that was such a tragic and horribly distasteful act and I just hope that all sides of the incident would get their fair share of what's coming to them, good or bad.

Edited by anguyen92, 23 July 2011 - 06:58 PM.

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http://www.nytimes.c...u...amp;_r=2

http://online.wsj.co...=googlenews_wsj

An Hour and 35 Minutes of Hell.

I think that to think that one place is different from another.

It feels like people are saying, "Things like this don't happen here." Which is the wrong way to go about it, this can happen anywhere. There's nothing more unpredictable and dangerous then the lone wolf terrorist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-14260205

Domestic Terrorism in some ways is scarier then International Terrorism because like Vyse said there's this mentality that Terrorists are Islamic or dark skinned. But the difference is that 9/11 is that it was an attack from Outside and when America is usually attacked by an exterior force, we'll try to bomb people back into oblivion.

When it comes to this event, there's going to have to be a responsibility to pay attention and keep moving forward. But extremist groups in the United States are heavily monitored. It seems to me that Norway felt it had laxed its security towards Domestic groups.

And According to the NYTimes they did:

The unclassified versions of the last three Norwegian Police Security Service reports assessing national threats all played down any threat by right-wing and nationalist extremists. Instead, the reports emphasized the dangers posed by radical Islam, groups opposed to Norway’s military involvement in Afghanistan and Libya, and others.

The 2011 report, released early this year, concluded that “the far-right and far-left extremist communities will not represent a serious threat to Norwegian society.”

There's a released photo that he had posed with an automatic weapon. Somehow he got access to weapons that aren't legal.

But I think (and this is just me here) there's a bigger issue going on then just this senseless tragedy. Europe seems to be having a building backlash with the economic problems, immigration and multiculturalism currently going on the past decade. Especially with Islamic Nations. Now say this wasn't a Right Wing fundamentalist, what if this was the work of Islamic Extremists? How would the reaction differ?

Either way, I hope the people of Norway recover and emerge stronger.

Edited by Insurrection, 24 July 2011 - 08:36 AM.

[Vyse]

Anders Behring Breivik (32) about killings: - Gruesome but necessary

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Anders Behring Breivik (32) about killings: - Gruesome but necessary

what

[Smiter]

Anders Behring Breivik (32) about killings: - Gruesome but necessary

I will never understand the way people like him think, and I don't ever want to.

This was a horrible and senseless tragedy in a beautiful and peaceful country. Nothing can ever justify the deliberate killing of an innocent person. To think that around a hundred or so innocent people were killed, most of them still so young, is just unimaginable.

I'm glad you and your family are OK, Vyse, and I hope you get news about the brother of your sister's best friend.

The people of Norway are definitely in my thoughts, and I hope that the country unites and emerges stronger than ever.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Not to detract how terrible this event is:
http://www.destructo...ce-206982.phtml

[Greed-Sama]

Yeah, that's exactly what came to my mind. McVeigh was a violent extremist far right winger and he blew up the Federal government building in Oklahoma City when we had a liberal leaning Democratic president. McVeigh didn't care in the least that he killed little children in a day care center that was in same building. He killed civilian government workers and people there waiting for the services offered in those government offices.

The report I heard was the suspect is a Norwegian citizen who is reported to be a neo nazi.

McVeigh didn't blow up the building because of the political standing of our president, he blew it up in response to the FBI's handling of the Waco incident.

[TerrorKing]

So I've been thinking about what to say for a long time and I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I simply don't know what to say...I am literally speechless. This isn'tjust a disaster. This a without a doubt one of the bigggest tragedies this century.

How could something like this happen? Why did something like this happen? What did Norway do to deserve this? The answer is nothing! The only "crime" that those innocent young people at Utøya had committed, was having an opinion. An opinion that opposed those of Anders Behring Breivik.

This was a sick and despicable action made by a sick and despicable "human being". My thoughts go out to all of my Norwegian brothers and sisters! Know that I, as well as all of my countrymen are with you, all the way. Lets us all band together and say NO to those who promotes hate, violence and destruciton!

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Brevik claims he isn't alone, but likely a lone wolf say Police

Thousands rally in the streets of Norway for victims Death toll lowered to 68

And Here's something I don't understand, the maximum sentence in Norwegian prison is 23 years?

Edited by Insurrection, 25 July 2011 - 10:08 PM.

[Vyse]

And Here's something I don't understand, the maximum sentence in Norwegian prison is 23 years?

If you're sentenced to life in prison here in Norway, that means 21 prison-years. One year in prison is nine months, so the maximum time someone can be sentenced to prison is 15,75 years. The worst part is that on good behavior he'll probably be out of prison in 13 (ordinary years), but he'll probably be sentenced to life in custody at some psychiatric hospital somewhere. My guess is that this person has a narcissistic personality disorder with hints of autism, which is more or less what the psychiatrist at my work said as well. He also shows signs of more than one subtype of antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy), so it's obvious that there's reason for him to never be a free man again. He fancies himself a great revolutionary, but the only thing the world will remember him as is one of the worst mass murderers the world has ever seen. That is his only legacy, and when he at one point... IF he at some point understands this, then there's a very real possibility for him to commit suicide as well. If that happens, I don't know if he'll still be hated enough for the nurse to "arrive too late to save him" or something...

Bottom line is, 21 prison-years is the maximum punishment in Norway, but there are possibilities for extended punishment both in prison and in a psychiatric asylum. At least that is what I think is correct, but this is a rather special case, isn't it.

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Yup. But Suicide?

Edited by Insurrection, 26 July 2011 - 05:51 PM.

[Vyse]

Yup. But Suicide?

It's not too far fetched really. Sociopaths who acts out violent crimes and ends up in a psych ward has been known to react to their punishment with severe depression and suicide before, but we can't be sure until it happens. It was just an educated guess from a man who has worked with psychiatric patients for over 35 years, so I trust his judgment on this.

By the way, I was listening to the radio on my way back home from work, and it seems he'll be charged with crimes against humanity, which will increase the maximum punishment to 30 years. This is pretty much unheard of, so I didn't know it was possible. I guess he'll be in prison for more than 22 years.