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[TheFirstEvil100]

hopefully next time blue is in a better mood 

I just hope I can make it.

[LuckyChi7]

I just hope I can make it.

 

It would be a lot of fun to have you on for the next one!

Edited by LuckyChi7, 07 July 2023 - 12:04 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

It would be a lot of fun to have you on for the next one!

Yeah, I just hope it is a time I can make it, as it is Madara, I hear.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Reflecting on the pairing and on how Naruto's final couples turned out a bit. I really, truly could have lived with NaruHina if there had been any effort at all in the last stretch of the manga to solidify it. In a way, I feel like that pairing may have been done even dirtier than NaruSaku. That ship was realized, only for it to have been realized in such an underwhelming way. It just feels hollow, empty. A shell of a shell.

 

For NaruSaku's case, I remember people here defending this scene to death, but...that false confession scene, in retrospect, really was the overture to NaruSaku's downfall. Not because it made the ship impossible, or even because it was a bad idea or strategy (Sakura's motivation behind it makes perfect sense, as does Naruto's reaction), but because Kishimoto just did not handle it with tact. And the fact that he didn't communicates something in its own, I think. In execution it came off much more as emotional manipulation than it did a desperate (and maybe even a little honest?) play, the latter of which being the more compelling and sympathetic way to write it. And the follow-up on Sakura's end from that point onward left a lot to be desired.

 

Sakura was done so dirty. This subject has been beaten to death, but god, it's true. I think the biggest reason I would say I'd ship NaruSaku now would be that the further Sakura is from Sasuke, the better. I could have lived with NaruHina, but SasuSaku? No. That's the ship that stung the most. And while I've grown numb to it now, with Boruto becoming as much of a meme presence as it has, that ship and the way it was forcibly made canon, barging on through every toxic wall it could on its way there... it'll always astound me.

 

I don't know if NaruSaku's positive elements as a ship were accidental. If Kishimoto accidentally wrote a healthier partnership than the obvious side ones he'd been bluntly, one-sidedly teasing. Part of me thinks it might have been. Considering how Kishimoto wrote many female characters, and how the writing of the romance in all aspects turned out... maybe NaruHina and SasuSaku had been the intention all along, and he'd written them the only way he knew how. One-sided crushes. Re-emphasized, over long periods of time. Maybe we were looking for a nuanced romantic relationship in a series that was determined to have superficial ones. Maybe we were hoping for too much, and the series had been more honest than we wanted it to be.

 

I'll always long for what NaruSaku could have been - scratch that, what Sakura could have been. We'll never get it. But what a nice dream it was. What a nice dream it will be for us, forever, somewhere buried deep in us.

 

The real NaruSaku was unironically the friends we made along the way.

[Bail o' Lies]

Reflecting on the pairing and on how Naruto's final couples turned out a bit. I really, truly could have lived with NaruHina if there had been any effort at all in the last stretch of the manga to solidify it. In a way, I feel like that pairing may have been done even dirtier than NaruSaku. That ship was realized, only for it to have been realized in such an underwhelming way. It just feels hollow, empty. A shell of a shell.

 

For NaruSaku's case, I remember people here defending this scene to death, but...that false confession scene, in retrospect, really was the overture to NaruSaku's downfall. Not because it made the ship impossible, or even because it was a bad idea or strategy (Sakura's motivation behind it makes perfect sense, as does Naruto's reaction), but because Kishimoto just did not handle it with tact. And the fact that he didn't communicates something in its own, I think. In execution it came off much more as emotional manipulation than it did a desperate (and maybe even a little honest?) play, the latter of which being the more compelling and sympathetic way to write it. And the follow-up on Sakura's end from that point onward left a lot to be desired.

 

Sakura was done so dirty. This subject has been beaten to death, but god, it's true. I think the biggest reason I would say I'd ship NaruSaku now would be that the further Sakura is from Sasuke, the better. I could have lived with NaruHina, but SasuSaku? No. That's the ship that stung the most. And while I've grown numb to it now, with Boruto becoming as much of a meme presence as it has, that ship and the way it was forcibly made canon, barging on through every toxic wall it could on its way there... it'll always astound me.

 

I don't know if NaruSaku's positive elements as a ship were accidental. If Kishimoto accidentally wrote a healthier partnership than the obvious side ones he'd been bluntly, one-sidedly teasing. Part of me thinks it might have been. Considering how Kishimoto wrote many female characters, and how the writing of the romance in all aspects turned out... maybe NaruHina and SasuSaku had been the intention all along, and he'd written them the only way he knew how. One-sided crushes. Re-emphasized, over long periods of time. Maybe we were looking for a nuanced romantic relationship in a series that was determined to have superficial ones. Maybe we were hoping for too much, and the series had been more honest than we wanted it to be.

 

I'll always long for what NaruSaku could have been - scratch that, what Sakura could have been. We'll never get it. But what a nice dream it was. What a nice dream it will be for us, forever, somewhere buried deep in us.

 

The real NaruSaku was unironically the friends we made along the way.

nH as a concept isn't that much of a problem a shy girl gets with the boy she likes. The major problems with it were. 1) It was too underdeveloped to become the main pairing more importantly to become the focus of the ending and there after. It just never had the build up that would allow it to handle the burden. The Last and how they handle and presented the pairing to the audience was the biggest mistake they could have done. 2) NS was too developed and integral to the story in comparison to just be thrown away like that. For example, the only way Naruto's forgiveness of Obito can make any sense is because he understand Obito's reaction to Rin's death as he loves Sakura just as much as Obito loves Rin.

 

Kishimoto handling of the false confession and apparently how his editors told him how the fans reacted to it. Damaged NS chances of happening but it would have likely still happened if not for an additional 6 years of gaslighting to convince him to drop her in favor of Hinata. Ideally, after the arc Naruto and Sakura should of had a conversation where they talked about their feelings and made it clear to both themselves and the audiences. Naruto loves Sakura, but is willing to step aside to let her be happy with Sasuke. Sakura cares deeply for Naruto, but she still has strong feelings for Sasuke despite all that has happened due to the forehead comment.

 

Sakura has been in an awkward situation since they tried to throw her away. As they quickly realized that Hinata is not popular enough to hold up the franchise. So they have to use Sakura despite a lot of people working on Naruto-Boruto hating her. But, she also has to be kept as far away from Naruto as possible so no one notice how they have such natural chemistry. Now its known she is the third most popular Naruto character, most popular main character, and most popular female character in the world. As for SS what you didn't see their side manga? Where we learned their relationship can be summed up as Sakura: "Sasuke, you will love me or I will use edo tensei on you."

 

The thing is, Kishimoto didn't realize he was even teasing. Since, he never interacted with his fanbase till maybe after the ending. NS was always what he intended, while SS was a relationship he hated, and he barely knew nH was even a thing.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 10 July 2023 - 02:13 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

hopefully next time blue is in a better mood

  

True true! 
 
 
Things should be good this time around!

 

Hey what's that's suppose to mean

Question... when Shina is in danger... would Sakura say... "my baby."?

Maybe when he is young before he becomes a ninja

[LuckyChi7]

   

Hey what's that's suppose to mean

Hes referring to when you got agitated during the recording when they were trying to finish up their point.

When you were interrupting him but Steve and I were telling you to wait your turn.

Im not exactly getting onto you about it cause I know you were dealing with something before we started recording last years anniversary podcast.

I think thats what he means by hoping youre in a better mood this time when we do the podcast this year!

[VanitasDS76491]

Question... when Shina is in danger... would Sakura say... "my baby."?

yes she would do that and check him over seeing if his hurt and being a good mom to him

 

 

 

True true! 

 

 

Things should be good this time around! 

sorry that freak out he had last time was scary 

[VanitasDS76491]

Hes referring to when you got agitated during the recording when they were trying to finish up their point.

When you were interrupting him but Steve and I were telling you to wait your turn.

Im not exactly getting onto you about it cause I know you were dealing with something before we started recording last years anniversary podcast.

I think thats what he means by hoping youre in a better mood this time when we do the podcast this year!

yes that's what i meant by that, 

[TheFirstEvil100]

The funny thing is I would have done an arc in part two before Sai and Yamato showed up, with another minor villain and some henchmen. Naruto, Sakura, and Team 10 head out to deal with a threat since Kakashi is still healing, but things get worse when anyone with Blood type 0 becomes deathly sick, and they can and will die from it if the villain isn't stopped. Plus, add Fuu into the mix as well as her lover is affected and sadly will die.

 

As you know, that is Sakura's blood type, well, from what the wiki says, but yeah Sakura becomes deathly ill and later falls into a coma Team 10 and Naruto would all get into a fight with the main villain and his henchmen of the arc isn't one that would change his ways and says everyone will die from the jutsu he used on everyone with the blood type.

 

The main point would be to set up that some people can't change, plus the henchmen would live and later come back for the war.

 

Most of this is off the top of my head, and with time I could plan it out even more.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Reflecting on the pairing and on how Naruto's final couples turned out a bit. I really, truly could have lived with NaruHina if there had been any effort at all in the last stretch of the manga to solidify it. In a way, I feel like that pairing may have been done even dirtier than NaruSaku. That ship was realized, only for it to have been realized in such an underwhelming way. It just feels hollow, empty. A shell of a shell.
 
For NaruSaku's case, I remember people here defending this scene to death, but...that false confession scene, in retrospect, really was the overture to NaruSaku's downfall. Not because it made the ship impossible, or even because it was a bad idea or strategy (Sakura's motivation behind it makes perfect sense, as does Naruto's reaction), but because Kishimoto just did not handle it with tact. And the fact that he didn't communicates something in its own, I think. In execution it came off much more as emotional manipulation than it did a desperate (and maybe even a little honest?) play, the latter of which being the more compelling and sympathetic way to write it. And the follow-up on Sakura's end from that point onward left a lot to be desired.
 
Sakura was done so dirty. This subject has been beaten to death, but god, it's true. I think the biggest reason I would say I'd ship NaruSaku now would be that the further Sakura is from Sasuke, the better. I could have lived with NaruHina, but SasuSaku? No. That's the ship that stung the most. And while I've grown numb to it now, with Boruto becoming as much of a meme presence as it has, that ship and the way it was forcibly made canon, barging on through every toxic wall it could on its way there... it'll always astound me.
 
I don't know if NaruSaku's positive elements as a ship were accidental. If Kishimoto accidentally wrote a healthier partnership than the obvious side ones he'd been bluntly, one-sidedly teasing. Part of me thinks it might have been. Considering how Kishimoto wrote many female characters, and how the writing of the romance in all aspects turned out... maybe NaruHina and SasuSaku had been the intention all along, and he'd written them the only way he knew how. One-sided crushes. Re-emphasized, over long periods of time. Maybe we were looking for a nuanced romantic relationship in a series that was determined to have superficial ones. Maybe we were hoping for too much, and the series had been more honest than we wanted it to be.
 
I'll always long for what NaruSaku could have been - scratch that, what Sakura could have been. We'll never get it. But what a nice dream it was. What a nice dream it will be for us, forever, somewhere buried deep in us.
 
The real NaruSaku was unironically the friends we made along the way.

aint no way NH/SS was ever the intention.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

 

This is beautiful.

[VanitasDS76491]

 

This is beautiful.

yes it is 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 
This is beautiful.

Damn right!

[Nostradamus]

aint no way NH/SS was ever the intention.

Think of it like this.

They had to make a movie in which they rewrote moments from the beginning of the story and invented brand new ones that contradicted basic things from the start of the story, and in that process ignore and destroy the very few moments that NH ever had, just to give Naruto to Hinata.

I don't care how much gaslighting they shove down my throat, there's nothing they will ever do or say that will convince me that their ending was planned. By their own actions they contradict themselves.

 

This was nothing more than a corporate move done because they thought it will bring them more money by going down this route.

And like so many before them, they won't admit it was wrong, they will just continue. And some will blame the fans because apparently that's the thing they do these days.

What? You didn't like the thing we made?

It's your fault as the readers. You read it wrong. Or your x,y,z words. Mostly insults to try to make people feel bad for not liking their garbage. This one is very popular these days with Disney.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I doubt you plan your ending since the beginning because you never know if your series will be a hit or flop.

[VanitasDS76491]

I doubt you plan your ending since the beginning because you never know if your series will be a hit or flop.

unless your oda where he knows how his story is going 

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

unless your oda where he knows how his story is going

I doubt Kishi is as clever as Oda.

[LuckyChi7]

I doubt Kishi is as clever as Oda.

I should do a rewrite of Naruto and tackle in a way of how Oda would write it.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I should do a rewrite of Naruto and tackle in a way of how Oda would write it.

Like how?