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[totherpage95]

 

even jiraiya and tsunade are more relevant right after hinata's confession

Edited by totherpage95, 24 September 2020 - 04:21 PM.

[RulesofNature]

I have never seen a fandom so bad that the only way they can prove their worth is by degrading every other character in the series. They don't raise their characters up, they lower the bar for every other character.
 

Never engage with the Edelgard fans. Let me put it like this, on one of the Fire Emblem wiki's someone tried to add that the creator's said that Edelgard's path leads to tyranny in an interview. Her diehard supporters denied this, and exorcised it while also trying to push a fan theory that tries to make an excuse for her putting a hit on her classmates at the beginning of the game. Recently, one tried to push an essay detailing how the protagonist losing their Enlightened One/Nirvana status at the end of said route is a good thing.

 

Back on topic, it actually surprises me how ass-backwards the whole thing got. A single volume of an anime may sell 10,000 copies if it's a success, and even then the series may not that popular (and long-running anime never sells that good to begin with). Naruto's new volumes were selling over two million copies in a week at the series height. They were adding all these scenes to make Hinata the heroine of the anime to promote a manga where Sakura was the heroine and implied love interest. It's kinda nuts, but not without precedent.

 

1) Kinnikuman ended up with a different person in anime than in the manga.

 

2) Ryoma and Ukyo were pushed as a couple in the Ranma 1/2 anime, but new characters were created to be their love interests in the manga (never minding how the anime changed characters personalities).

 

But those were old anime, and in the case of Ranma only covered the first 2/3's of the manga (the new characters arrived after that point). This was a more modern series, with online discourse and everything. It could be they took the loudness of the Hinafans as an indication of it's size, a vocal minority, but the fact said fandom was mostly there due to changes made in the anime should have tipped them off since as previously mentioned manga sales completely outdid anime sales.

[Bail o' Lies]

Never engage with the Edelgard fans. Let me put it like this, on one of the Fire Emblem wiki's someone tried to add that the creator's said that Edelgard's path leads to tyranny in an interview. Her diehard supporters denied this, and exorcised it while also trying to push a fan theory that tries to make an excuse for her putting a hit on her classmates at the beginning of the game. Recently, one tried to push an essay detailing how the protagonist losing their Enlightened One/Nirvana status at the end of said route is a good thing.

 

Back on topic, it actually surprises me how ass-backwards the whole thing got. A single volume of an anime may sell 10,000 copies if it's a success, and even then the series may not that popular (and long-running anime never sells that good to begin with). Naruto's new volumes were selling over two million copies in a week at the series height. They were adding all these scenes to make Hinata the heroine of the anime to promote a manga where Sakura was the heroine and implied love interest. It's kinda nuts, but not without precedent.

 

1) Kinnikuman ended up with a different person in anime than in the manga.

 

2) Ryoma and Ukyo were pushed as a couple in the Ranma 1/2 anime, but new characters were created to be their love interests in the manga (never minding how the anime changed characters personalities).

 

But those were old anime, and in the case of Ranma only covered the first 2/3's of the manga (the new characters arrived after that point). This was a more modern series, with online discourse and everything. It could be they took the loudness of the Hinafans as an indication of it's size, a vocal minority, but the fact said fandom was mostly there due to changes made in the anime should have tipped them off since as previously mentioned manga sales completely outdid anime sales.

About your Fire emblem thing. Most people are taught to think with their emotional response and use it to shape their reality as well as views on subjects around them instead of logic. They like Edelgard. So, she is right, anyone against her is wrong.

 

Remember Hinata fans didn't not just watch the anime. They watched anime first. Fell in love with Hinata and thought she deserved Naruto. Then, when the anime stopped airing or was only airing filler they start reading the manga. Through piracy of course and likely never buying most of the volumes (I suspect some of them did buy the Neji death one because of the hand holding on the cover). So, they were always able to quickly send dozens of letter every-time they didn't agree with what happened in the manga often very quickly after it was released. How else could the editors messed up Sakura's confession that quickly by showing kishi letters? 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 September 2020 - 02:15 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Yeah loud minority versus quiet majority or at least those that did not think that shipping wars was worth their time, and ironically the minoriuty won. But some victory that is with the outcome, now that many yay sayers or at least neutral fans that gave no flying effs about shipping are now trashing Boruto. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

What's funny is that again, Both Shueisha and SP took all of these vocal biases for Hinata as actual statistics, for one reason or another. and then their sales sunk.

 

Never engage with the Edelgard fans. Let me put it like this, on one of the Fire Emblem wiki's someone tried to add that the creator's said that Edelgard's path leads to tyranny in an interview. Her diehard supporters denied this, and exorcised it while also trying to push a fan theory that tries to make an excuse for her putting a hit on her classmates at the beginning of the game. Recently, one tried to push an essay detailing how the protagonist losing their Enlightened One/Nirvana status at the end of said route is a good thing.

 
I would umbrella that advice to ANYTHING at all that involves "waifus". Just saying. Fire emblem just so happened to have grown into one of the biggest offenders of that. And as self demonstrated, Hinata Hyuga.

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 September 2020 - 05:04 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

She's off being the non-involved secondary character that she was written to be lol. This is her role in the story, yet the outside sources made her into something that she is not. Ugh! It's so frustrating because even considering this indisputable fact, her rabid fanbase just won't accept it and refuses to acknowledge how minimal her role is in the story.

Even in the second image, Tsundade, Jiraiya, Sai - they are all major secondary characters. Their roles and relationship with Naruto involved direct and constant interaction. Even Sai is significantly more 'important' than Hinata due to his role with Team 7 and being Sasuke's replacement. It sucks how even basic facts are attempted to be disputed by this fanbase.

 

Yeah, exactly. And Sai also is important because Naruto's interactions with him help him in the long run to realize what he really wants compared to what Danzo and the Foundation's teachings had made him think he wanted.

[Phantom_999]

Ill say this. What good is a fictional couple if the almost all of not completely all of the relationship progress between them is only what fans make up? That is my question.

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 September 2020 - 10:21 AM.

[RedFaction]

It really does suck that Naruto and Sakura's relationship even just as friends was permanently destroyed to make way for Hinata. It was a big part of Naruto and Sakura's character arcs how they interacted with one another and now there's nothing; everything that happened between them in part 1 and 2 might as well not have happened. Neither one of them seemed to have made any lasting impact on each other, so it was a total waste of time.

 

I still can't believe Kishi did this deliberately to two of his main characters, as he celebrated that stupid "scene of separation" in The Last. It's this kind of toxic attitude towards the characters that made me never start reading Boruto as I can't trust these writers to keep a cohesive story together if any development for the characters can be thrown out at any moment with no regrets or no looking back. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

It really does suck that Naruto and Sakura's relationship even just as friends was permanently destroyed to make way for Hinata. It was a big part of Naruto and Sakura's character arcs how they interacted with one another and now there's nothing; everything that happened between them in part 1 and 2 might as well not have happened. Neither one of them seemed to have made any lasting impact on each other, so it was a total waste of time.

 

I still can't believe Kishi did this deliberately to two of his main characters, as he celebrated that stupid "scene of separation" in The Last. It's this kind of toxic attitude towards the characters that made me never start reading Boruto as I can't trust these writers to keep a cohesive story together if any development for the characters can be thrown out at any moment with no regrets or no looking back. 

 

I like to think he DOES have regret, he just did what he felt was best and now he has to live with that regret, and that no one has no desire to believe in him, in terms of the fans especially. I'm sure he also lost some points with his wife too because of her believing in NaruSaku right until the end.

[Phantom_999]

It really does suck that Naruto and Sakura's relationship even just as friends was permanently destroyed to make way for Hinata. It was a big part of Naruto and Sakura's character arcs how they interacted with one another and now there's nothing; everything that happened between them in part 1 and 2 might as well not have happened. Neither one of them seemed to have made any lasting impact on each other, so it was a total waste of time.

 

I still can't believe Kishi did this deliberately to two of his main characters, as he celebrated that stupid "scene of separation" in The Last. It's this kind of toxic attitude towards the characters that made me never start reading Boruto as I can't trust these writers to keep a cohesive story together if any development for the characters can be thrown out at any moment with no regrets or no looking back. 

 

They can't. You see, after that travesty they had the AUDACITY to say in an episode of the Boruto anime a while back that Sakura said that she and Nardo are "closer than family" to Sarada. she stated that "Oh to me he's just Nardo". After "The Last" stated that Nardo only saw Sakura as a trophy to be won from Sasuke and Sakura knew all of this and just strummed him along for all those years. And I believe Some here have even said it was all but outright stated Nardo got together with Hinata out of GUILT

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 October 2020 - 11:15 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

They can't . You see, after that travesty they had the AUDACUITY to say in an episode of the Boruto animea while back that Sakura said that she and Nardo are "closer than family" to Sarada. she tated that "Oh to me he's just Nardo". After "The Last" stated that Nardo only saw Sakura a s a trophy to be won from Sasuke and Sakura knew all of this and just strummed him along for all those years. And I believe Some here have even said it was all but outright stated Nardo got together with Hinata out of GUILT

 

Even the novel for The Last had confirmed Nardo getting with Hinatatas because of guilt rather than love. And Sakura's no better if the canon explanation is supposed to be true, but it's just BS to me, since she strung Naruto along just so he'd save Sasuke and not for any real reasons at all of genuine love, just showing how ****ed up the ending is!

[Bail o' Lies]

It really does suck that Naruto and Sakura's relationship even just as friends was permanently destroyed to make way for Hinata. It was a big part of Naruto and Sakura's character arcs how they interacted with one another and now there's nothing; everything that happened between them in part 1 and 2 might as well not have happened. Neither one of them seemed to have made any lasting impact on each other, so it was a total waste of time.

 

I still can't believe Kishi did this deliberately to two of his main characters, as he celebrated that stupid "scene of separation" in The Last. It's this kind of toxic attitude towards the characters that made me never start reading Boruto as I can't trust these writers to keep a cohesive story together if any development for the characters can be thrown out at any moment with no regrets or no looking back. 

To be honest a lot of Naruto dialogue was spiced up by interactions like Naruto and Sakura had. Boruto a lot of it is just exposition dumps that get very long and very boring after awhile. Especially since again for them most part, unless their is a very...stupid lines, all the conversation are generic shounen dialogue.

 

The things is since Naruto is the story of team 7. Naruto is the main character is the most important. Followed by Sasuke and Sakura sharing the second and third due to them being the rival and love interest. then Kakashi as the fourth due to him being their mentor throughout the whole story. When Sasuke left, even before because sasuke often stayed quite unless he had to, the meant it was often Naruto and Sakura talking to each other during down time or even during mission discussing the mission.

[RedFaction]

 

I like to think he DOES have regret, he just did what he felt was best and now he has to live with that regret, and that no one has no desire to believe in him, in terms of the fans especially. I'm sure he also lost some points with his wife too because of her believing in NaruSaku right until the end.

It's possible Kishimoto, one day, does admit the mistakes he has made with the ending and the setup for Boruto. But he hasn't showed any indication he's going to down that route, so I doubt it. I think he just stopped caring and did whatever would get him the biggest possible paycheck.

 

 

 

They can't . You see, after that travesty they had the AUDACUITY to say in an episode of the Boruto animea while back that Sakura said that she and Nardo are "closer than family" to Sarada. she tated that "Oh to me he's just Nardo". After "The Last" stated that Nardo only saw Sakura a s a trophy to be won from Sasuke and Sakura knew all of this and just strummed him along for all those years. And I believe Some here have even said it was all but outright stated Nardo got together with Hinata out of GUILT

The whole trophy thing destroyed their relationship dynamic and how it had evolved since the third chapter of the series. After that moment I couldn't really even see them as being close friends anymore, which from what I heard in Boruto they barely interact with one another so it looks like that ended up being the case.

 

Going back through the series, it really diminishes Naruto's character knowing that each moment they were together he only saw Sakura as a trophy to be won. I still can't believe they thought that was a good idea to put into that movie.

[TheFirstEvil100]

You know I was playing MGS: Peace Walker and MGS: Snake Eater and something game to mind that Kojima and his team know how to do female better than Kishi and his team, and know how to craft a story I mean as Strangelove once said. "There's no peace to be found. Anywhere. And so we can only keep on hoping...hoping for the illusion we call peace."

 

And in many ways she is right, I mean the whole war that Big Boss and Zero did was they thought the Boss wanted to either make the world whole, or a safe Haven for soliders.

 

I mean this shows Kishi knows nothing on the real world and that to me the whole peace thing shouldn't have been done at least change to making it so the Five nations didn't fight as much. And in the end Naruto failed at that, makes me wonder why.

 

Oh yeah SP want to show how much better Bolt is than Naruto.

 

Does anyone else think that SP really hate Naruto?

 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Does anyone else think that SP really hate Naruto?

 

I do! Given how they often played up his not very bright nature to serve their own ends without realizing while Naruto isn't book smart, he gets people very well, and he can be pretty wise even with all the crap life threw at him. Even before Boruto, even before the kitten ending and The Last, they did all they could to dunk Naruto's head into the piss big time!

[Chatte]

I think many hate Naruto.

 

Naruto was initially supposed to be a challenge to the status quote - SJ/SP - you name it.

The ninja system was thematically set as the status quo of industries like SJ/SP.

 

So then, here comes Kishimoto (Naruto), a new aspirant to become this great legend in the world of manga (Hokage) by telling a story with soul, something the readers to connect to and something that has a last longing impact, which is not about big boobs and cool flashy powers instead of what the system promotes (bonds for real, those you have to work for, because relationships are that easy to maintain in real life, you just flash a boob at your partner and life is better). 

 

Of course, he starts with Naruto wanting to be cool and all that with the characters in their 12, because let's admit it... at that time, that's what we're influenced by by the industries (SP/SJ). 

 

But we're supposed to grow with this character. Grow out of that initial desire.

Challenge said system. Ask for more consistency, cohesiveness, a real change. Not just mindless stories with just surface kick ass flashy jutsus but no actual basis and depth and same boring relationships we all get to see.

 

And up to a point Naruto was that. That's why I think it had the success it did.

 

But sadly, by the end of it, said system said - we can't have that. It doesn't bring money and we want more money.

 

In parallel, there was this loud vocal minority that said system told Kishimoto about. Look, this is what you have to do.

 

Otherwise it's not gonna work. Your work will end up being hated. We cannot have that. We won't have sales. We won't have the acknowledgement you desired, yadda yadda yadda. And so in order to have that, this is what generates sales (your acknowledgement), this is the tweak you have to do to your original story, and all is good.

Yes it goes a bit against what you had in mind, but you want acknowedgement, right? Well, this is what it will get you that.

 

And Kishimoto, unlike his character, did go back on his own way.

 

He toned down the heavy themes. He slowly took out the heroine. He listened to that system.

 

Because that system hated what Kishimoto was promoting - hard work, doing the right thing, working hard for what you want don't take shortcuts and yadda yadda. That tames time, dedication, implication. 

 

Well, a message like that in the world of sales doesn't well... sell. The new generation now wants everything to come off to them easily. Because somehow they think they're entitled. 

 

They don't have the time to waste to work hard for their dream. They want their dream to happen NOW.

 

So what if Hinata didn't work her ass out to be with Naruto and be deserving of his companionship? Because  yes, besides dynamics, there's also a thing of DESERVING! I'll fight anyone on that. I'm so tired of hiding behind a tree so that I won't hurt some people's feelings. Their feelings need to wake up to reality!

 

But yeah, for those, that didn't matter! They want it to happen and they want it NOW! Screw the morality of the themes.Who cares about those anyway? Who has the time to listen to that?

 

We care to win in a war of arguments where we push our ideology even if it's not rooted in the reality of the facts.

 

And I think that's an essential problem with the world nowadays, too! Not just Naruto.

 

In a way, it's ironic... Naruto did manage to bring to the surface people' most dark faces and the problems we, as a collective are facing.

 

Which that in itself is a lesson.

 

And I think it's a lesson for Kishimoto, too.

 

Don't listen to the system. The system WILL bring you down to make itself better. Oh and all that ackowledgement you wanted? Gone out the window. A thing you learned later with Naruto's end/Boruto's reception.

 

Which teaches you that maybe, maybe you should've trusted your instincts more... Even if it meant fighting to the system till the end and maybe end up still defeated. But with your head held high.. Ya know, like your heroine once preached.

 

To not go back from your own way, like your main character used to.

 

But it's ironic... Cuz, the same time Kishimoto started going back on his way of writing the story very much coincides with Naruto starting to go back on his ninja way.

 

But alas, there's so much to talk about this aspect that I'll just stop here.

Edited by Chatte, 26 September 2020 - 10:06 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I think many hate Naruto.

 

Naruto was initially supposed to be a challenge to the status quote - SJ/SP - you name it.

The ninja system was thematically set as the status quo of industries like SJ/SP.

 

So then, here comes Kishimoto (Naruto), a new aspirant to become this great legend in the world of manga (Hokage) by telling a story with soul, something the readers to connect to and something that has a last longing impact, which is not about big boobs and cool flashy powers instead of what the system promotes (bonds for real, those you have to work for, because relationships are that easy to maintain in real life, you just flash a boob at your partner and life is better). 

 

Of course, he starts with Naruto wanting to be cool and all that with the characters in their 12, because let's admit it... at that time, that's what we're influenced by by the industries (SP/SJ). 

 

But we're supposed to grow with this character. Grow out of that initial desire.

Challenge said system. Ask for more consistency, cohesiveness, a real change. Not just mindless stories with just surface kick ass flashy jutsus but no actual basis and depth and same boring relationships we all get to see.

 

And up to a point Naruto was that. That's why I think it had the success it did.

 

But sadly, by the end of it, said system said - we can't have that. It doesn't bring money and we want more money.

 

In parallel, there was this loud vocal minority that said system told Kishimoto about. Look, this is what you have to do.

 

Otherwise it's not gonna work. Your work will end up being hated. We cannot have that. We won't have sales. We won't have the acknowledgement you desired, yadda yadda yadda. And so in order to have that, this is what generates sales (your acknowledgement), this is the tweak you have to do to your original story, and all is good.

Yes it goes a bit against what you had in mind, but you want acknowedgement, right? Well, this is what it will get you that.

 

And Kishimoto, unlike his character, did go back on his own way.

 

He toned down the heavy themes. He slowly took out the heroine. He listened to that system.

 

Because that system hated what Kishimoto was promoting - hard work, doing the right thing, working hard for what you want don't take shortcuts and yadda yadda. That tames time, dedication, implication. 

 

Well, a message like that in the world of sales doesn't well... sell. The new generation now wants everything to come off to them easily. Because somehow they think they're entitled. 

 

They don't have the time to waste to work hard for their dream. They want their dream to happen NOW.

 

So what if Hinata didn't work her ass out to be with Naruto and be deserving of his companionship? Because  yes, besides dynamics, there's also a thing of DESERVING! I'll fight anyone on that. I'm so tired of hiding behind a tree so that I won't hurt some people's feelings. Their feelings need to wake up to reality!

 

But yeah, for those, that didn't matter! They want it to happen and they want it NOW! Screw the morality of the themes.Who cares about those anyway? Who has the time to listen to that?

 

We care to win in a war of arguments where we push our ideology even if it's not rooted in the reality of the facts.

 

And I think that's an essential problem with the world nowadays, too! Not just Naruto.

 

In a way, it's ironic... Naruto did manage to bring to the surface people' most dark faces and the problems we, as a collective are facing.

 

Which that in itself is a lesson.

 

And I think it's a lesson for Kishimoto, too.

 

Don't listen to the system. The system WILL bring you down to make itself better. Oh and all that ackowledgement you wanted? Gone out the window. A thing you learned later with Naruto's end/Boruto's reception.

 

Which teaches you that maybe, maybe you should've trusted your instincts more... Even if it meant fighting to the system till the end and maybe end up still defeated. But with your head held high.. Ya know, like your heroine once preached.

 

To not go back from your own way, like your main character used to.

 

But it's ironic... Cuz, the same time Kishimoto started going back on his way of writing the story very much coincides with Naruto starting to go back on his ninja way.

 

But alas, there's so much to talk about this aspect that I'll just stop here.

 

Well, there's only one thing I can say.  

[Chatte]

 

Well, there's only one thing I can say.  

Thank you good sir.

It's something I've been thinking for a long while, and apparently I am not the only one to think so.

 

I think that's one of the reasons Kishi didn't sexualize his heroine or used his female cast more naked.

 

Sadly, that's not something we can say about Studio Pierrot though...

[BlueStarSaber]

I don't think there's such contract or agreement made with anime studio. It is industry knowledge that anime in Japan does not bring that much money, but it's needed to sell other media form (such as video games, merchandise, etc).
 
 
To give you context, have a look at the highest grossing media franchise one put in wikipedia here
 
In summary for Naruto franchise, which is estimated to worth ~USD 10.4 billion

• Manga magazine  $6.53 billion
• Manga volumes  $1.637 billion
• Licensed merchandise  $1.27 billion
• Video games  $761 million
• Home entertainment  $254 million
• Anime box office  $147.1 million

 
Look at the breakdown above. Manga alone combined brings in ~USD 8.1 billion. That's huge btw, and it rhymes with the fact that Naruto series overall has sold more than 200 million copies, etc. That's about 80% of franchise worth.
 
Now, on the flipside, look at Naruto's value from anime movie and TV (what they called as 'Home entertainment). Combined together, both is merely ~4% of total franchise value. 
 
It is impossible, from financial perspective alone, that anime folks or SP have too much to say in the direction of the franchise. They don't have that much stake. 
 
So, I still hold on to my initial judgement that there's a bias involved in making NH/SS canon. That bias pretty much killed the franchise. So much so that Naruto manga that brought USD 8 billion in the duration of 1999-2014 has not even managed to sell 150k of copies with the latest volume of Boruto.
 
Have you guys realized that there's never an arc, be it in anime or manga that's fully focusing on Hinata/NH or SS after the ending? The producer realized they just killed one of their most profitable franchise.
 
So, when Kishimoto came to SWJ that he's planning to create "Samurai 8", of course he got a lot of help. This guy brings in ~$8 billion worth of value to the company, therefore, pouring in marketing budget to promote Samurai 8 is not a problem at all. It's featured everywhere back then. Kishi also confidently told the news that he's planning to make "10 volumes or more", while adding "I remember saying one time that Naruto would be 15 volumes. It always ends up being longer."
 
Well, Kishi, I got a little news for you. You no longer have loyal readers following you, thanks to what you did with Naruto franchise (and killing NS was probably the final nail to the coffin). If you asked me, Samurai 8 wasn't that bad. It's decent manga at best. There's nothing wrong with the story. People can always nitpick on certain deficiency. There's a lot of decent manga out there that survives long enough. The main problem is this: Kishimoto name is on it --this makes people stay away; and SWJ only realised this when almost nobody buy the manga.

I find it interesting how in Japan manga is the more looked at compared to anime in Japan, while in the West you probably find people watching anime more than reading manga. Which does explain alot about the western fanbase views on Naruto given how bad Studio Perriot was with the adaption and portrayal of some of the character's.

This may also be a bit of a cultural thing as well, as I find in countries like the USA and UK you will probably find people's knowledge about superheroes will mostly like come from the shows and movie adaptions rather than the comics themselves.

Same can be said for books with Harry Potter, Lord of the rings and a song of ice and fire which most will know as game of thrones given the TV show.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 27 September 2020 - 12:14 PM.

[RulesofNature]

I find it interesting how in Japan manga is the more looked at compared to anime in Japan, while in the West you probably find people watching anime more than reading manga. Which does explain alot about the western fanbase views on Naruto given how bad Studio Perriot was with the adaption and portrayal of some of the character's.

This may also be a bit of a cultural thing as well, as I find in countries like the USA and UK you will probably find people's knowledge about superheroes will mostly like come from the shows and movie adaptions rather than the comics themselves.

Same can be said for books with Harry Potter, Lord of the rings and a song of ice and fire which most will know as game of thrones given the TV show.

 

I'm going to explain something real quick.

 

When it comes to video releases, Japan is kinda still stuck in the VHS days where you could fit three episodes onto a single tape. When DVDs came out, this continued and they tried this in America. It didn't stick, so we started getting DVD sets with all the episodes whereas in Japan you still buy 3 episode blurays. And in Japan, one of those disks run around $60 iirc. $60 for three episodes whereas in America that would buy you an entire season of a show and, depending on the show, have a fair bit of change still in your pocket.

 

Manga, on the other hand, costs something like 650 yen per volume, you can read it anywhere, and recycle it if you don't want it anymore (or burn it if the writing goes to crap). Manga is just a lot more accessible, hence why some can sell thousands or even of copies despite having no anime like Dungeon Meshi. That series was selling 350k copies per volume in it's early days, and it's first four volumes reached combined sales of over 2 million.

[Phantom_999]

I also belive that manga is overall the older and more popular medium, but correct me if I'm wrong. Although again since most manga are published in public magazines on a weekly basis at least that is not surprising. Also another thing to note when I think about it is that remember, Japanese are generally workaholics in adulthood. They won't be sitting at home watching television a lot of the time anyway and many popular anime run during the day while they are at work or school, I believe. Whereas a manga magazine or tankobon is something they can take anywhere with them on the go at work, school, you name it. Side note but that clicks another impression in my head now, that is also most probably why video game handhelds such as Nintendo DS or PSP are much more popular in Japan than docked gaming consoles that require a monitor.  An assumption again but that is what I heard before and it makes more sense to me now

Edited by Phantom_999, 28 September 2020 - 07:56 PM.