It wasn't. It was just an excuse to explain their kittening writing while Kishimoto openly bans the one character that resembles his wife.
Turns out I found out that Kushina was all Kishimoto's wife's idea
When I say it's a red herring, I ALWAYS mean it sarcastically. What red herring would actually have so much effort put into it if it was just to pull the wool over the reader's eyes? how is Naruto always comforting Sakura on her worst days and vice versa, laughing together, Sakura playfully teasing Naruto at times etc. etc. a RED HERRING? especially if there is already a pattern formed with identical dynamics between other characters, Jiraiya and Tsunade, Obito and Rin, and the parallel with Naruto's own parents where his mother did not like his father at first and turned her nose down on him but changed her mind after seeing another side of him and their bond grew from there into romance. To call such a intimate, tender and and mutual relationship between Naruto and Sakura as a "red herring" is nothing short of idiocy and insults the emotional integrity of MANY MANY couples in real life and also in fiction
It wasn't. It was just an excuse to explain their kittening writing while Kishimoto openly bans the one character that resembles his wife.
Turns out I found out that Kushina was all Kishimoto's wife's idea
Oh yeah wasn't Kushina supposed to be like Sakura originally? So it should have been Kushina+Sakura=Kishi's wife. Then he changed it to Kushina+Hinata=Kishi's wife. That's why she got angry with him over the ending. So even her wasn't expecting to see such a shocking ending along with the Japanese fans
When I say it's a red herring, I ALWAYS mean it sarcastically. What red herring would actually have so much effort put into it if it was just to pull the wool over the reader's eyes? how is Naruto always comforting Sakura on her worst days and vice versa, laughing together, Sakura playfully teasing Naruto at times etc. etc. a RED HERRING? especially if there is already a pattern formed with identical dynamics between other characters, Jiraiya and Tsunade, Obito and Rin, and the parallel with Naruto's own parents where his mother did not like his father at first and turned her nose down on him but changed her mind after seeing another side of him and their bond grew from there into romance. To call such a intimate tender and and mutual relationship relationship between Naruto and Sakura is nothing short of idiocy and insults the emotional integrity of MANY MANY couples in real life and also in fiction
Don't forget too that when it came to Minato and Kushin as well as NaruSaku, both Naruto and his dad love a part of Kushina and Sakura respectively that the girls themselves hated, Sakura with her forehead, and Kushina with her red hair. And their actions won them over. And with Obito and Rin, you see that for Rin, a lot of her feelings for Obito started to really pour out when Obito died and how Kakashi told her he was willing to abandon her just for the same of the mission, as well as how she waited for Obito when he finally did die.
But I will say, it's bull**** to do that crap and justify the crappy ending by saying it was "a red herring". Makes me wish we were uncensored so I could curse like a sailor about how pissed off this whole thing makes me feel!
Question, is it really that when Naruto ends, the Japanese fandom burns some novel and recorded it in videos, and put it online? I recently found out it.
I doubt so. Japanese customers would avoid such thing.
The way they protest in the context of Naruto franchise is through stop buying the products. Hit the publisher and author where it hurts the most.
Boruto sales today is a mere less than ~10% of Naruto, albeit they have NH/SS canon. Naruto sold more than 200mil copies in the span of 15 years. Boruto in 2019 didnt even manage to sell 1 million copies within a year timeframe. It has been rendered as irrelevant.
Kishi's new manga got cancelled within 5 volumes, albeit heavy marketing effort --he was planning for 10 volumes. To quote him: "Let's just go with 10 volumes for now. I remember saying one time that Naruto would be 15 volumes. It always ends up being longer."
Little did he knew.
I hope this teaches the producers to not listen to the loud minority. They've steered the franchise to entertain an almost non-existent market (NH, SS, and the series' children). These fans don't contribute financially --they're only loud on social media.
"I'm sorry I didn't believe. But I'd given up believing in so much, until I met you. From the first day I saw you, you were everything I ever wanted to believe in. You can do this, Diana. I know you can...But I have to go."
"What? What are you saying?"
"It's okay, this is what I came here to do. I can save today, but you... you can save the world."
I doubt so. Japanese customers would avoid such thing.
The way they protest in the context of Naruto franchise is through stop buying the products. Hit the publisher and author where it hurts the most.
Boruto sales today is a mere less than ~10% of Naruto, albeit they have NH/SS canon. Naruto sold more than 200mil copies in the span of 15 years. Boruto in 2019 didnt even manage to sell 1 million copies within a year timeframe. It has been rendered as irrelevant.
Kishi's new manga got cancelled within 5 volumes, albeit heavy marketing effort --he was planning for 10 volumes. To quote him: "Let's just go with 10 volumes for now. I remember saying one time that Naruto would be 15 volumes. It always ends up being longer."
Little did he knew.
I hope this teaches the producers to not listen to the loud minority. They've steered the franchise to entertain an almost non-existent market (NH, SS, and the series' children). These fans don't contribute financially --they're only loud on social media.
By any chance would they come back if KIshimoto admitting to making a mistake to the ending and he will attempt to fix things, or will they just don't trust him anymore?
It's more likely the Japanese fans just threw their Naruto merchandise away; like a lot of people on this site did rather than collectively burning it.
The main effect I have seen in Japan is in manga. For one they since Naruto ended make it abundantly clear who ends up with who, and two they seemed to be more wary of international fans' vocal opinions; though that one is probably a long time coming.
Like recently the mangaka of Domestic Girlfriend openly dismissed a lot of Western fans complaining about the ending of the manga in an interview because she thinks a lot of them are just pirating it.
Edit: kishimoto is not allowed to do anything to change the ending until after Boruto is over at best, and by that point its both does he even want to and would they even allow it?
By any chance would they come back if KIshimoto admitting to making a mistake to the ending and he will attempt to fix things, or will they just don't trust him anymore?
Admitting mistakes will not change anything. Fans that financially supported the franchise have moved on. Japanese market is pretty conservatives and folks don't do much social media, as compared to the other markets.
You can tell from Kishimoto's new manga (Samurai 8) how many loyal fanbase he had now. It's not that much. Its first week sales was hovering in ~10k copies per volume. Naruto's first week during its heyday reached more than 2-3 million per volume.
I'd expect the same pattern in his future works. But hey, we never know. I wish him good luck, regardless. What we know today based on fact is: readers don't anticipate his work.
In that sense, NH/SS screwed him pretty bad I guess.
"I'm sorry I didn't believe. But I'd given up believing in so much, until I met you. From the first day I saw you, you were everything I ever wanted to believe in. You can do this, Diana. I know you can...But I have to go."
"What? What are you saying?"
"It's okay, this is what I came here to do. I can save today, but you... you can save the world."
By any chance would they come back if KIshimoto admitting to making a mistake to the ending and he will attempt to fix things, or will they just don't trust him anymore?
To quote myself
That would be career suicide. Let me explain.
The Japanese have a very different work ethic than Americans do. Rather that working to raise their own status, making themselves look good, they are expected to work in order to make their superiors look good. Doing stuff like whistleblowing sexual harassment isn't going to go the same as it would in the West, they often will say as such to foreign women going over there to work. Often times, bullying will be covered up to protect a school, or the police will claim crimes committed to foreigners were not done by Japanese individuals.
If Kishi were to come out and publicly apologize for what happened, it would only be because bosses allowed him to. Anything else is, at best, going to be an off the cuft comment that would be hard to verify.
That hypothetical apology would not just make Kishi look bad. It would make at editors at SJ look bad for letting it pass when their job is to help refine a manga into a viable product. If his comments point in the direction of SP and the influence of their staff, then he'll alienate a studio who potentially could bring his work to the home screen. Sponsors would be tagged because they helped support a product now said to be below quality, or even make merchandise for it. You get the idea. Everyone connected to creating and distributing the series would now be associated with a product the creator has now denounced.
And let's not forget, they are still trying to profit off the IP with the cancerous tumor they grafted onto it.
Kishi could very well end up blacklisted within the industry. It happens. Look at any idol who gets wrapped up in a scandal such as smoking or having a boyfriend. There are popular actors in Japan who suffer such a fate. There was even an isekai anime in production that was pretty much wiped out when it's creator was revealed to be a massive racist when the announcement brought attention to his twitter. The Japanese only apologize when it's safe to do so (this ties into their government denying what happened in WWII, because it would make the people who built modern Japan look bad).
Admitting mistakes will not change anything. Fans that financially supported the franchise have moved on. Japanese market is pretty conservatives and folks don't do much social media, as compared to the other markets.
You can tell from Kishimoto's new manga (Samurai 8) how many loyal fanbase he had now. It's not that much. Its first week sales was hovering in ~10k copies per volume. Naruto's first week during its heyday reached more than 2-3 million per volume.
I'd expect the same pattern in his future works. But hey, we never know. I wish him good luck, regardless. What we know today based on fact is: readers don't anticipate his work.
In that sense, NH/SS screwed him pretty bad I guess.
I think most of the Japanese fans have moved on comparable to what happening to Star Wars right now. What really hasn't help kishimoto is his terrible interviews. Every-time he had an interview we hear about it not because we are informed about said interview but in what way he managed to piss off the Japanese fans in that interview.
From the start one of his assistants telling everyone on twitter that they were not true fans if they did not accept nH. To his 4-5 interviews leading up to the Last's premier that contradicted each other. To him at Jump Festa bsing that he loves Sakura and that she his favorite character which eventually led to Junko Naruto's VA telling him to be quiet because Chie Sakura's VA was becoming upset. To a Jump Author comment advising up and coming mangaka to write their own stories and ignore the annoying little unimportant voices; who I still think he was talking about his editors, but the Japanese thought he was talking about the fans. That was in the first few months.
To quote myself
That hypothetical apology would not just make Kishi look bad. It would make at editors at SJ look bad for letting it pass when their job is to help refine a manga into a viable product. If his comments point in the direction of SP and the influence of their staff, then he'll alienate a studio who potentially could bring his work to the home screen. Sponsors would be tagged because they helped support a product now said to be below quality, or even make merchandise for it. You get the idea. Everyone connected to creating and distributing the series would now be associated with a product the creator has now denounced.
And let's not forget, they are still trying to profit off the IP with the cancerous tumor they grafted onto it.
Kishi could very well end up blacklisted within the industry. It happens. Look at any idol who gets wrapped up in a scandal such as smoking or having a boyfriend. There are popular actors in Japan who suffer such a fate. There was even an isekai anime in production that was pretty much wiped out when it's creator was revealed to be a massive racist when the announcement brought attention to his twitter. The Japanese only apologize when it's safe to do so (this ties into their government denying what happened in WWII, because it would make the people who built modern Japan look bad).
To be honest the only way it could work would be to take all the the fault upon himself. His father recently passed and he suffered a mid life crisis so he want Naruto to end quicker than it would naturally so he could spend more time with his family. He felt guilty about this so he wanted to make sure he would give them the ending they wanted. He was shown American Youtubers reviewing his manga and they all seemed to want Hinata to be with Naruto.
Even then it probably not work and even then he would have to give his SSS+ game for it to succeed.
I think most of the Japanese fans have moved on comparable to what happening to Star Wars right now. What really hasn't help kishimoto is his terrible interviews. Every-time he had an interview we hear about it not because we are informed about said interview but in what way he managed to piss off the Japanese fans in that interview.
From one of his assistants telling everyone on twitter that they were not true fans if they did not accept nH. To his 4-5 interviews leading up to the Last's premier that contradicted each other. To him at Jump Festa bsing that he loves Sakura and that she his favorite character which eventually led to Junko Naruto's VA telling him to be quiet because Chie Sakura's VA was becoming upset. To a Jump Author comment advising up and coming mangaka to write their own stories and ignore the annoying little unimportant voices; who I still think he was talking about his editors, but the Japanese thought he was talking about the fans. That was in the first few months.
To be honest the only way it could work would be to take all the the fault upon himself. His father recently passed and he suffered a mid life crisis so he want Naruto to end quicker than it would naturally so he could spend more time with his family. He felt guilty about this so he wanted to make sure he would give them the ending they wanted. He was shown American Youtubers reviewing his manga and they all seemed to want Hinata to be with Naruto.
Even then it probably not work and even then he would have to give his SSS+ game for it to succeed.
There's still something I can't understand,first why Kishimoto accepted change the ending when, I believe, he knew what could happen to his career as a mangaka , I mean, you have to be stupid to bet your hole career. Second, SP did they make a market study? How they can bet everything on a market they don't have a great participation. I mean they thought NHs fans gonna spend a lot of money in his merchandise, but it doesn't happened. Really don't get it.
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Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:09 AM
So I take any hopes of getting a Shaman King Kanzenban re-edit isn't going to happen then?
Is this about dissatisfaction with the ending or that there are technically two? Unlike Kishimoto, Hiroyuki was satisfied with the ending of Shaman King after he came back to it and released the true ending in the Kang Zeng Bang edition.
Light and Shadow are the only static creations of this universe.
To be honest the only way it could work would be to take all the the fault upon himself. His father recently passed and he suffered a mid life crisis so he want Naruto to end quicker than it would naturally so he could spend more time with his family. He felt guilty about this so he wanted to make sure he would give them the ending they wanted. He was shown American Youtubers reviewing his manga and they all seemed to want Hinata to be with Naruto.
Even then it probably not work and even then he would have to give his SSS+ game for it to succeed.
It wouldn't. Not only because it still makes everyone else connected to Naruto look bad for not stopping him from pulling this, the idea that it was to appeal to Americans.
It's ingrained in Japanese culture to look after Japan. To buy Japanese goods and products in order to support Japan's economy, rather than some foreign nation's. Because of this, the Japanese cater to the Japanese. Even if a show, game or manga is popular outside of Japan it's not going to mean much if it isn't popular inside of it. Especially when there's concerns that Americans will simply view the product for free anyway through pirating.
Metroid Other M comes to mind. A series beloved in the West that Nintendo attempted to "fix" in order to gain support of Japanese audiences, only to seriously damage the franchise as a result.
It wouldn't. Not only because it still makes everyone else connected to Naruto look bad for not stopping him from pulling this, the idea that it was to appeal to Americans.
It's ingrained in Japanese culture to look after Japan. To buy Japanese goods and products in order to support Japan's economy, rather than some foreign nation's. Because of this, the Japanese cater to the Japanese. Even if a show, game or manga is popular outside of Japan it's not going to mean much if it isn't popular inside of it. Especially when there's concerns that Americans will simply view the product for free anyway through pirating.
Metroid Other M comes to mind. A series beloved in the West that Nintendo attempted to "fix" in order to gain support of Japanese audiences, only to seriously damage the franchise as a result.
And maybe make a what if or something like that? And don't make a Manga, but some Ovas? That would work
Is this about dissatisfaction with the ending or that there are technically two? Unlike Kishimoto, Hiroyuki was satisfied with the ending of Shaman King after he came back to it and released the true ending in the Kang Zeng Bang edition.
Ah I see, would the neon genesis evangelion series be a better example?
Also found this video show boruto sales for everyone to look at, though the guy does support Boruto
There's still something I can't understand,first why Kishimoto accepted change the ending when, I believe, he knew what could happen to his career as a mangaka , I mean, you have to be stupid to bet your hole career. Second, SP did they make a market study? How they can bet everything on a market they don't have a great participation. I mean they thought NHs fans gonna spend a lot of money in his merchandise, but it doesn't happened. Really don't get it.
See any form of media that had a bad idea. They thought something might work and make them a tidy profit and didn't realize how badly it would blow up in their faces.
nH was "big" in the US. Thought it was "big" in the western world. Naruto's biggest selling point to investors is that it is an international hit. Make the ending nH though it had little build up to make it happen. so, have a movie be the build up. Then have a sequel based off the nH kid. Since it nH's kid the sequel should be successful in the West.
Honestly, looking back. When you look at the ending it jarring, but it really nothing more than hear are the pairings and their kids. With some bitterness and unfortunate implications from Naruto speech and Bolt's behavior. Its the movie and the things after the ending that made the backlash get as bad as it had.
The movie was made by SP's nH fans who wanted the movie to be about glorifying Hinata as the best girl. Problem is that going off the manga she is Naruto's second choice after Sakura. They didn't like that so they made the movie trying to get rid of that stigma. The way they went about it was making Hinata the most important person in the world close to a literal princess-goddess as one can get, the only person that has ever had a bond with Naruto, the only person Naruto has ever loved or cared about, NS never exist because there was never any sort of feeling between the two in fact Sakura fully supports nH, Naruto has no understand of love or any emotion, and so on till they had stripped out everything about Naruto people liked for the sake of Hinata.
Even if kishimoto thought the movie was bad by that point it would be too late to change anything because production on Boruto had already begun.
It wouldn't. Not only because it still makes everyone else connected to Naruto look bad for not stopping him from pulling this, the idea that it was to appeal to Americans.
It's ingrained in Japanese culture to look after Japan. To buy Japanese goods and products in order to support Japan's economy, rather than some foreign nation's. Because of this, the Japanese cater to the Japanese. Even if a show, game or manga is popular outside of Japan it's not going to mean much if it isn't popular inside of it. Especially when there's concerns that Americans will simply view the product for free anyway through pirating.
Metroid Other M comes to mind. A series beloved in the West that Nintendo attempted to "fix" in order to gain support of Japanese audiences, only to seriously damage the franchise as a result.
Sorry, I was a bit lazy with that reply. Anyway no matter what even him trying to fix it is a long shot by this point. Even if he does he would have to go beyond just giving his all for it even to have the slimmest chance to work.
And maybe make a what if or something like that? And don't make a Manga, but some Ovas? That would work
If its an OVA then its that group doing not kishi. It has to be a manga.
Ah I see, would the neon genesis evangelion series be a better example?
Also found this video show boruto sales for everyone to look at, though the guy does support Boruto
How old is this child? It may be his accent but he sounds at least twice as old as he looks. Also how old is this video? Volume 7 came out over a year ago. This also looks like the chart someone made before ANN stopped doing an article showing volume sales ...yes its the same chart. Namenash commented and posted on this over a year ago. I'll just say this from what I understand sales have gotten worse since then, and you also have had Kishimoto's Samurai 8 flop since that time too.
