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#261 Broken Figurine

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 12:16 AM

That's an interesting thing you bring up Sushi, because I feel that Suyin went easy on her son and went just right on Kuvira. Correct me if I'm wrong but Suyin did offer Kuvira a chance to make ammends--to step down as dictator and let Wu act as King. As Korra said herself, Kuvira should have known what she was doing wasn't right. She built a weapon of mass destruction. She nearly killed them all, and nearly sacrificed Bataar Jr for it. The theme of balance means that in the pursuit of justice, one must be careful not to go to an extreme. Maybe Kuvira's plan was the right one, but to what cost? 

 

Kuvira's fate is left uncertain. She most likely will serve time, perhaps for a long time, but maybe leniency will be given at a later time. In many ways, the finale is open ended. Much like with Azula, that was to be explored later.

 

Varrick and Zhu Li was also something I heard being discussed as poorly handled. He put her through a lot and worked her roughly, but we learn her long-suffering of him was out of respect, and she stands up for herself and demands to be treated with a lot more respect, as a partner. I thought it was fine, especially since we can speculate that Zhu Li did have moments with him that could have happened off screen seeing as how they are secondary, but connected characters--however, considering the level of respect he gave her (which was pretty low) in their introduction and other places they didn't feel they made a good couple. 

 

You know what was great though? Korra didn't go into the Avatar state during that fight. I think she did when protecting Kuvira and some of the city from the spirit bomb, but otherwise that was Korra using her own moves throughout most of the fight. 

 

Also, does anyone have any speculation the time that passed between Kuvira's being taken in and Varrick's wedding? I don't think they would have done so days after the Battle of Republic City. I feel like it would have taken place some time AFTER the city's recovery period. I would hope so at least, because while people criticize Korra's decision to go on vacation for however long, having a wedding while people are still left without homes or infrastructure would be poor taste. Many of the guests, including Lin Beifong, are important members of Republic City and should have been busy at work. I mean, it wasn't so large-scale a wedding that it couldn't have been arranged while things were still getting together, but they also used fireworks that would have been kind of mean since I would expect people would be jumpy. 



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 12:28 AM

There was a time skip I think. At what I see it was probably around a month or so. Not long yes, but it seems everyone had a plan in the making, Raiko expanding the Republic, Wu standing down as king and declaring the Earth kingdoms future for a better system and last but not least, knowing that everyone is in peace and are creating plans for the future. 

 

The Avatar is a human and they are not some god, they can have a break for a while, I don't get why people are against Korra to have a I don't know normal life? She's had to face huge world problems 4 times already, and Asami god knows she needs a vacation after what shes been through.  Mako seems to be attached to his job, and Bolin is happy with the girl he loves. 

 

Everyone at that moment seems at peace. ( Except maybe Kuvira...is it bad I want to hug her now?)


Edited by firegirl, 24 December 2014 - 12:31 AM.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 12:33 AM

You're right, I don't think she should've cuddled Kuvira like she did with Bataar. I'm just saying that scolding your daughter after she has apologized is unnecessary. I understand she did many bad things especially at the end, but I think Su should've showed some compassion for Kuvira some point in the season. If she hadn't told Korra of their backstory, I'd think they were strangers. ´When Kuvira and Bataar came to take over Zhaofu, she only asked Bataar if he'd come home. I'm sure she thought Kuvira was manipulating Bataar, but even after he personally put them in prison and was willing to kill to get what he wants, Su didn't stop babying him. Korra drew the conclusion that Kuvira faced a lot of neglect, but Su should've talked to not only Korra, but to Kuvira about it.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 01:15 AM

Korra X Asami wasn't convincing enough. As far as I see in the whole show, they were just developed to be really close friends. IMO gays should be offended by this ending because it was sudden with no proper development. Heck I finished watching this show without even realizing that Korra X Asami was the end pairing. I just see 2 good female friends holding each other's hands which is quite normal between straight girls. Only after reading this thread then I realized they were shoving this pairing in your face to satisfy some shippers. 

 

Lets face it the romance in LOK sucks ass. There was no way Makorra is going to happen and if it did then it would be worse than this forced ending. If they want to make Korra X Asami they should develop it more convincingly and not just do a half-assed job. What, were they afraid they will get scrutinized by homophobics if they do a proper lesbian relationship in the show? Then don't do this end pairing at all. 


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 01:21 AM

Let me say this at least:

Perhaps the romance is lackluster. Fine. But illogical? I don't know. Difference. NH got both. If you get both, then it's the top quality bad. From what I see, there's no battle struggle who's getting Korra or what. Naruto had that and it was God awful.

Carry on.

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 01:51 AM

Korra X Asami wasn't convincing enough. As far as I see in the whole show, they were just developed to be really close friends. IMO gays should be offended by this ending because it was sudden with no proper development. Heck I finished watching this show without even realizing that Korra X Asami was the end pairing. I just see 2 good female friends holding each other's hands which is quite normal between straight girls. Only after reading this thread then I realized they were shoving this pairing in your face to satisfy some shippers. 
 
Lets face it the romance in LOK sucks ass. There was no way Makorra is going to happen and if it did then it would be worse than this forced ending. If they want to make Korra X Asami they should develop it more convincingly and not just do a half-assed job. What, were they afraid they will get scrutinized by homophobics if they do a proper lesbian relationship in the show? Then don't do this end pairing at all. 

They did the only way they could, being subtle about it

This is western animation, not anime

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 01:57 AM

They did the only way they could, being subtle about it

This is western animation, not anime

Anime isn't better. Some bis in sailor moon were turned into cousins or something. And in anime, yaoi/yuri is many times a fetish instead of an orientation.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 02:13 AM

Anime isn't better. Some bis in sailor moon were turned into cousins or something. And in anime, yaoi/yuri is many times a fetish instead of an orientation.


But this happened over there at the US, because censorship.
In Japan though, it was in the open. Its parental control over there, its responsability of the parents what their kids should watch

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 03:04 AM

Really good friends...

 

See this is why lesbians or bisexual women are treated so...invisible. Yes we are touchy feeling but do you realize that neither of them were super comfortable. Their was a tension between them, very little yes, but it was strongly there. Asami doesn't always act smitten. in fact shes very blunt. 

 

During season 4 those two women had a shift within their relationship. by the end of season 3, Asami was very hesitant when she spoke to Korra after grabbing her hand. 

 

I happen to come across an old post saying something about Asami snapping at Korra when they were discussing her father in episode 7. We all knew that was a very sensitive topic for her but the way she said. “You don’t get to disappear for three years and act like you know what’s best for me!”

 

That is a little giveaway of just how hurt Asami truly was for Korra's absents. That was not a friendly thing to say at all, that sounds like somebody angry at her lover. 

 

Look its not about how you see things. This is what even Brian spoke about saying that if you look at it for a second time, knowing that Korra and Asami are together...those suitable subtexts or tbh main text by season 4 will make you see that there is something going one between Korra and Asami, even Mako could see their shift. 

 

It was rushed I'll give it that, but honestly this was truly a very well executed way to show the growth of friendship to romantic. 


Edited by firegirl, 24 December 2014 - 03:13 AM.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 03:05 AM

I agree that their relationship was kind of... not what I'd expect from a mother-daughter dynamic. Someone mentioned that in Suyin's family portrait Kuvira wasn't even there. I think that she took her in, but didn't treat her like a daughter, more like a protege. It probably factored in to Kuvira's mentality but of course not enough to justify it. Suyin probably did have preferential treatment of her family over Kuvira. After all, she hadn't been introduced as 'my daughter' in season 3 but as an exceptional captain of the guard. 

 

You know that I didn't get at first that Kuvira was that character from Season 3? I remember thinking wow she has quite some spotlight on her for a minor character, and it only hit me later that RIGHT, that's the person. It's kind of amazing that they threw that in and then brought it back... AND I TOTALLY MISSED IT. Hahaha.

 

 

There was a time skip I think. At what I see it was probably around a month or so. Not long yes, but it seems everyone had a plan in the making, Raiko expanding the Republic, Wu standing down as king and declaring the Earth kingdoms future for a better system and last but not least, knowing that everyone is in peace and are creating plans for the future. 

 

The Avatar is a human and they are not some god, they can have a break for a while, I don't get why people are against Korra to have a I don't know normal life? She's had to face huge world problems 4 times already, and Asami god knows she needs a vacation after what shes been through.  Mako seems to be attached to his job, and Bolin is happy with the girl he loves. 

 

Everyone at that moment seems at peace. ( Except maybe Kuvira...is it bad I want to hug her now?)

 

I agree, I don't see the problem with her and Asami taking a vacation--especially seeing as how Future Industries is probably going to be set back for awhile. It's not outlandish that they would take a break, especially if they've been actively working since the fight to help with the recovery. A month or so is probably the amount of time they took between, and I dunno. It would be something I'd ask if there was ever a panel or something with Mike and Bryan. 



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 05:02 AM

Just saw the ending. omg. great, great series. still processing the ending. were there signs? did i miss it? lol. still...after all the ns nonsense, it's glad to watch a series that doesn't end up like I expected (makorra), yet i don't feel betrayed.

 

so good - timeskips done right. too bad kishimoto wasn't watching this for tips!!



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 05:05 AM

Just saw the ending. omg. great, great series. still processing the ending. were there signs? did i miss it? lol. still...after all the ns nonsense, it's glad to watch a series that doesn't end up like I expected (makorra), yet i don't feel betrayed.

 

so good - timeskips done right. too bad kishimoto wasn't watching this for tips!!

According to some of our members, all the subtle interactions Korra and Asami had...

You might want to check this tumblr post posted by Bryan about the KorrAsami ending (the producers confirmed it themselves afterwards):

http://korraspirit.t...s-canon-you-can


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 05:31 AM

According to some of our members, all the subtle interactions Korra and Asami had...

You might want to check this tumblr post posted by Bryan about the KorrAsami ending (the producers confirmed it themselves afterwards):

http://korraspirit.t...s-canon-you-can

http://kotaku.com/le...ught-1674345784


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 05:33 AM

According to some of our members, all the subtle interactions Korra and Asami had...

You might want to check this tumblr post posted by Bryan about the KorrAsami ending (the producers confirmed it themselves afterwards):

http://korraspirit.t...s-canon-you-can

 

Yes, even reading the posts in this thread I'm reminded of things I didn't pick up on and things I missed simply because I wasn't looking for them.

 

I agree with some of Broken Figurine's fabulous posts that the ending was framed as a 'new beginning.' Korra speaks of hope and wanting to see new things and embrace her life as an avatar. And I get the same feeling with the relationship between Asami and Korra — it is the start of something new between them. Instead of everything being set in stone with a 12-year timeskip, like Naruto, LoK ending is full of hope and possibility and newness.

 

For adults watching, it's certainly got romantic overtones. But for kids who have been watching it from tv and moved online to see the end, it presents a really positive ending that does not force an interpretation. Kids can take it as 'no pairings' or 'they're best friends' or 'I think something else might be going on here' - all depending on their maturity level, understanding of romantic relationships or their own intuitive feelings.

 

I like that the creators don't betray the trust of their fans, of any age. Because they have a wide spectrum of fans. And I love that they are really, really aware of that. 

 

Anyway, it was so good. So well done. Just loved it, and to me, it got even better when it left tv. I love to see a series mature and take risks, and it's been soooo lacking in Naruto. So nice to see it here!



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 05:43 AM

The Creators confirmed Korraassami.is cannon.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 06:42 AM

not surprising, coming from one who doesn't agree with the gay lifestyle. :lmao:

I feel the need to defend my friend here, just cuse YOU don't agree with the straight lifestyle , doesn't mean you get to say things like that. Leave my friend alone!

Ps, I ship many gay ships, but not Korra and Asami, i don't see it. Just like you (I assume)don't see it with the boy x girl pairing. Ok?

I shipped Makorra because it was like Narusaku to me. Two peas in a pod, they get upset with each other, but work though it...or ....that's how I saw it. (I ship crack ships cuse I suck at predicting what becomes canon sadly...and I love ships that never had a chance. Sherlock/John for example...ship it so hard, it's not going to happen but...meh, it makes me happy.


Anyway...my point is....and I really rambled a lot....sorry...is that no matter what we ship, let's not ....insult each other...ok? I don't know why but... I had to read that comment twice, I was shocked you said that to sora...seemed like you were...mocking his straight views .

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 07:14 AM

According to some of our members, all the subtle interactions Korra and Asami had...

You might want to check this tumblr post posted by Bryan about the KorrAsami ending (the producers confirmed it themselves afterwards):

http://korraspirit.t...s-canon-you-can

 

beautiful post by bryan



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 08:51 AM

Let me say this at least:

Perhaps the romance is lackluster. Fine. But illogical? I don't know. Difference. NH got both. If you get both, then it's the top quality bad. From what I see, there's no battle struggle who's getting Korra or what. Naruto had that and it was God awful.

Carry on.

 

Honestly, I get your point but the thing is, a kitten up is still a kitten up. 

 

The romance was lackluster and that makes it no different from Naruto. the illogical bit depends on personal opinion. NaruHina/SasuSaku and even some "neutral" fans will tell you that the naruto pairings where logical even though that is far from the truth.

 

Korra x Asami is illogical for me because these characters wew never shown to be bisexual. They were only attracted to the opposite sex and then boom! they are now lovers and I have to go back to search for the supposed subtle hints (which is me just twisting the friendship and bonding moments into romantic moments because why not? lol). If they had hinted early on that Asami and Korra could be bisexual, then a lot of fans like me won't have viewed all the Korrasami moments with "Hetero" lens. Imagine if Bolin turned out to be bisexual after we have seen him only show attraction to the opposite sex with no strong hint of him liking the same sex. Would that be logical? This is how I feel about the Korrasami.

 

 

Saying that they could not show us more stronger hints because of west restrictions is a convenient excuse. Unless there are deleted Korrasami scenes, I don't buy that excuse. 

 

I just realized that people recognise the issues with the ending and the pairings in general. They just don't care lol  So in the end, people where not as invested in the Legend of Korra like they were with Naruto. That is why I think people are giving these Korra writers a free pass.


Edited by Radra, 24 December 2014 - 08:54 AM.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:18 AM

You guys let's just quit this fighting. We're getting no better than the NS/NH ship wars. And what's the pint after all... Korrasami is canon and as I mentioned, it doesn't matter even if we do find out it's just a huge conspiracy or whatnot. If that's what the authors wanted at the end, whatever. It really just comes down to what they wanted to do with the story, whether they let the fans influence it is their thing. If they really wanted, they could have just as easily made Korra/Zaheer, Korra/Azula or something like that canon with no big explanations needed. Everyone can discuss this until their fingers fall off, but it's not like it's changing anything. But I will say this though. Just the fact that there are many fans that are disagreeing with the ending (maybe as many as those who like the ending) shows that it wasn't straight-forward and clear what was going to happen.



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:29 AM

^You are right... I'll drop it.






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