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#21 DrK

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 03:23 AM

She hits him for calling her his GF infront of his dead dad, yea? Yea, she does. And it's not a big deal unless your looking for things to pick at because it's a common tsundere trait. :zaru:

Well, I don't like thinking about how that scene exists. Because it's so very offensive that it does, and not because she struck him.

 

Ill maintain that she didn't act very self absorbed in the manga. But we can agree to disagree because I am running the risk of using the word "casually" again at this rate.


Edited by DrK, 20 February 2018 - 03:25 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 04:07 AM

Did they ruin her? or was it a character fault she actually DID overcome by the end of the movie? I don't remember people having this much of an issue with RtN when it came out, infact it got glowing praise. 

Ruining her would imply that Sakura actually didn't learn anything by the end of the movie and repeated her mistake a 3rd time. 

1. Sakura kittenes about her parents and Naruto to Sasuke, gets verbally stomped.
2. Sakura kittenes about her parents to Naruto, Wishes her life was different. Gets her wish, regrets said wish and wants to go home, but doing so means Naruto suffers--which she acknowledges with guilt and attempts to talk with him about--only to be brushed off by him. The ultimate conclusion is that she gains a deeper understanding of his pain, genuine sympathy, regret and appreciation for what she has. 

It would be "Ruination" or regression if incident 2 ended with her learning nothing, or there being an incident 3 in which she learned nothing and did everything over again, and again and again. 

It feels like you're missing the entire point of RtN when you say "ruins her character." because it actually ends up doing the opposite.

Character, and real life development isn't always a straight line, but a series of highs and lows. Sometimes its High, low, lower, and lowest before bouncing up again. Thats what it means to be Dynamic instead of Static. You are changeable. 

 

Oh I agree with you completely. :smile:  But What I think what Winter is trying to say that because We all love Sakura's character is puts a bad tastes in some of our mouths when she leaves a bad impression on the audience. Especially because we know her to be a much better person that has most likely grown out of that pettiness fro the most part. The problem I fee that wants to be addressed is not Sakura's actions themselves, but the impression they give off. The fact that Sakura said those things at all paint her sort of "in a bad light". Does that make her human? Yes. are humans prone to those types of mistakes? definitely. But it does not change the fact that it paints her negatively. I mean seriously, if anyone overheard anything negative another person  had said to them at anytime at all in their lives, wouldn't that person be painted in a bad light too in their eyes, even if unconsciously and they won't admit it? I think that is the main issue here, and the fact is Sakura as a character is so hated as is, so to see her like that does no favors to win her over with her haters particularly. Now that said, it is of course a two way street in that movie which I won't deny. Naruto was being an out of character spoiled self entitled brat at the start of the movie and was snapping at Tetsu and Ayame, two of the VERY select few individuals that have treated him kindly all of his life, over a ramen topping. Again the actions, themselves are understandable on an emotional level, but still it does not give a good impression to the audience even if they learned their lesson by the end


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:59 PM

It's kinda hard to defend sakura.
Fandom doesn't like her, anime studio worship a side character, and the author simply ababdon her.

Eventough she's the most appearance female character in the anime series and the second most appearance character in the Naruto movie. She beat Sasuke and Kakashi in movie appearance.

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 08:50 PM

Yes, yes, canon Sakura is utter garbage. Who doesn't know this.

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:19 PM

It's kinda hard to defend sakura.
Fandom doesn't like her, anime studio worship a side character, and the author simply ababdon her.

Eventough she's the most appearance female character in the anime series and the second most appearance character in the Naruto movie. She beat Sasuke and Kakashi in movie appearance.

While not defending Sakura (although I remember her being ok in the anime up through the Pain arc), I can't blame her either. She was a character who was meant to be the central heroine, who had a storyline for half the manga, and who was undone by the anime devotion to Hinata. Whole episodes are devoted to Hinata and her family. Sakura never had a chance against that. And so when Kishimoto stopped writing storylines for her in the manga, then the NHers piled on.

 

Yes, yes, canon Sakura is utter garbage. Who doesn't know this.

I think canon Sakura could have been awesome — an evolution from an irritating worshipping Ino clone into a fierce medic/nin her own right, that other future girls want to be like. And one who finally understands who she's loved all along. It's all right there in the story. But Kishi dropped it.

 

In writing fanfic, and having to write for each individual in Team 7, with storylines for each, it becomes really apparent after a certain point (Pain, the middle basically) that Kishi stopped writing for/developing Sakura. She has no more arcs or evolution. (And what you think is evolution is shown to be a lie in the end.)



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:49 PM

bahh who cares, the whole story was dumb overall.

 

I now have reason to believe that Kishi saw Terrible Writing Advice by JP Beaubien on Youtube and took it to heart.

 

I swear his sarcastic advice on the portrayal of antiheros fits Sasuke to a teeth, while his other sarcastic advice on the portrayal of Mary Sues fits Hinata just as much.

 

Here is the antihero video in question, you tell me and realize that this doesn't look like Sasuke.

 


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:26 PM

I would love to blame kishi that he has a sexist view on woman and writes them streotypicially. I have a friend i spoke to and she remembers when she first read naruto she hated the way how kishi wrote his female characters and dropped the manga.

 

Also kishi cared too much about sasuke to write about other characters growth and lore etc.


Edited by rikakim94, 20 February 2018 - 11:33 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:56 PM

It’s not consistent with her character. You bring up something said by the same Sakura who was, to put it bluntly, useless to Team 7. Who couldn’t do anything at all, who barely had any skill. Remember, that was in chapter 3. This took place waaay after the time skip, which is hundreds of chapters later. She has, or should have developed past these shallow remarks. In the manga, she never said such a thing again because of this fact. Yet they have her say it in Road to Ninja?

Also, I didn’t mind Sakura complaining ABOUT her parents. It’s what people do. What I DID mind was when she wished her parents to be gone, and when Naruto called her out for this, she said Sasuke would understand. Especially considered the fact that Sasuke did the same thing Naruto did, but harsher. People also learn from their mistakes. Sakura has flaws, but that scene in particular made me mad. It doesn’t see. Like something Sakura would do at all anymore. She’s matured from that.

1st Bold: I want to take a step back and look at something like this.

Kishimoto said that Road to Ninja was everything he wanted to do, but couldn't and instead made this movie. With that being said, imagine if the story of Road to Ninja is more or less the story of the entire manga he wanted to tell, but compressed in a single 2 hour movie. Sakura is almost a mirror to her enitre manga self. Starts out selfish, wanting Sasuke, only to wake up and realize something later and see Naruto as something special, understanding Naruto as a person, and learning that maybe this "world" is better for Naruto that she was willing to sacrifice her own happiness for his. The movie encompassed everything Sakura was and her development and what happens at the end of the movie? Sakura seems to want to go on a date with Naruto and things seems to be awesome. What if Road to Ninja is essentially the story of Naruto and Sakura as a whole. What Kishimoto REALLY wanted to do.

Well, if you think of it like that, then perhaps Road to Ninja is not just telling it's own story, but exactly as Kishimoto said. "Things I wanted to do, but couldn't."

Second bold:
What is worse?
Sakura wishing her parents were gone, and telling Naruto how lucky he was that he didn't have parents, and saying Sasuke understands her.

or
Naruto telling his own son that not having a father around should be no big deal and that he needs to suck it up. That he never had a father and Boruto should be lucky he has a whole village that loves him and not rely on his own father.

At least Sakura still loves her daughter, whether biological or adopted, and treats her with love protecting her. Can Naruto say the same for Boruto? Sakura may be a kittened up girl, but at least she is not a kittened up parent like Naruto is.

 

​This is actually consistent with her character though...Since part one where she was complaining to Sasuke about Naruto and Her parents, when HE was an Orphan himself, and he proceeded to verbally kick her. Honestly, the idea that because someone says something mildly callous and unthoughtful to someone else automatically makes them uncompassionate is silly. Every single person on this planet has thought, or said something kitten like to someone else, and it doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. 

​People are Naturally self absorbed, and its through trial and error that we become better people--not perfect ones. 

 

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Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 February 2018 - 05:03 PM.

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#29 DrK

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:41 AM

Yeah, BD is really beyond the pale. He sucks as a person. There's nothing likable about him, really.

 

Perhaps that's what happened. Sakura had a vision of the future. A vision that Naruto would become this pathetic shell of a man. And she somehow knew this vision to be the truth. And from this, she was so crushed and disappointed, that she sentenced herself to a painful life serving a man who, while callous, at least never lied about who he was. It makes sense.



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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:42 PM

1st Bold: I want to take a step back and look at something like this.

Kishimoto said that Road to Ninja was everything he wanted to do, but couldn't and instead made this movie. With that being said, imagine if the story of Road to Ninja is more or less the story of the entire manga he wanted to tell, but compressed in a single 2 hour movie. Sakura is almost a mirror to her enitre manga self. Starts out selfish, wanting Sasuke, only to wake up and realize something later and see Naruto as something special. Understanding Naruto as a person, and learning that maybe this "world" is better for Naruto that she was willing to sacrifice. The movie encompassed everything Sakura was and her development and what happens at the end of the movie? Sakura seems to want to go on a date with Naruto and things seems to be awesome. What if Road to Ninja is essentially the story of Naruto and Sakura as a whole. What Kishimoto REALLY wanted to do.

Well, if you think of it like that, then perhaps Road to Ninja is not just telling it's own story, but exactly as Kishimoto said. "Things I wanted to do, but couldn't."

Second bold:
What is worse?
Sakura wishing her parents were gone, and telling Naruto how lucky he was that he didn't have parents, and saying Sasuke understands her.

or
Naruto telling his own son that not having a father around should be no big deal and that he needs to suck it up. That he never had a father and Boruto should be lucky he has a whole village that loves him and not rely on his own father.
 

 

 

 

Ok ok, I admit that if I knew about the first part I would understand completely why Sakura was acting so weird. I had no clue he had said that... That easily changed my perspective on things when it comes to RTN. 

 

As for the second part, I'd say their equally worse. 



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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:54 PM

Rtn is not Canon. That's why sakura and to some extent Naruto behave out of character in order to create conflict. Just like the last and Naruto sequel.

There's this artwork Kishi make when war arc happen that show sakura hitting Naruto in the beach when Naruto play blindfold watermelon smack. She did that because Naruto almost hit Sasuke. It kinda bad joke because i never see Kishi never do that in any Canon work. Perhaps that the sign that Kishi out of favor to sakura and to some extent ns.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 01:59 PM

Rtn is not Canon. That's why sakura and to some extent Naruto behave out of character in order to create conflict. Just like the last and Naruto sequel.

There's this artwork Kishi make when war arc happen that show sakura hitting Naruto in the beach when Naruto play blindfold watermelon smack. She did that because Naruto almost hit Sasuke. It kinda bad joke because i never see Kishi never do that in any Canon work. Perhaps that the sign that Kishi out of favor to sakura and to some extent ns.

The cowboy thing was the real death knell, though.

 

I just fail to see how Sakura being sycophantic towards Sasuke is cute or funny at all. Or appealing at all. And I really don't think Kishimoto thinks it is either. He just... really didn't care.



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Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:40 PM

The cowboy thing was the real death knell, though.

 

I just fail to see how Sakura being sycophantic towards Sasuke is cute or funny at all. Or appealing at all. And I really don't think Kishimoto thinks it is either. He just... really didn't care.

 

And well, Studio Pierrot never liked Sakura, so hence why the anime went overboard a lot of times with that crap.



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Posted 21 February 2018 - 05:14 PM

The cowboy thing was the real death knell, though.
 
I just fail to see how Sakura being sycophantic towards Sasuke is cute or funny at all. Or appealing at all. And I really don't think Kishimoto thinks it is either. He just... really didn't care.


War arc is the time Kishi decide on end pairing.
It could be decide in the beginning or the middle of the arc.

It's not cute. It supposed to be a hearth breaking "shojo" moment. The problem it failed because not even shojo manga do what Kishi did with ss.
I think this is why sakura as character hated by even the female fan, the demographic that she represent.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 05:21 PM

Rtn is not Canon. That's why sakura and to some extent Naruto behave out of character in order to create conflict. Just like the last and Naruto sequel.

There's this artwork Kishi make when war arc happen that show sakura hitting Naruto in the beach when Naruto play blindfold watermelon smack. She did that because Naruto almost hit Sasuke. It kinda bad joke because i never see Kishi never do that in any Canon work. Perhaps that the sign that Kishi out of favor to sakura and to some extent ns.

Like I said, Kishimoto said that Road to Ninja was stuff he wanted to do, but couldn't.

This kind of puts Road to Ninja in a kind of "limbo" striding between canon and non-canon. I have to wonder if RtN Hinata is a representation of the Pro-ender NH fandom as a whole. She is violent, threatening, dresses slutty, and a real kitten. It is almost like a mocking effort to make Hinata look really bad on purpose.

Fans: "We love Hinata and hate Sakura because Hinata is not a kitten and a slut like Sakura is."
Kishimoto: "So what do you think of this?" *makes a story where Hinata is truly slutty and truly a kitten who threatens Naruto to love her or else just like her fandom says "Make NH happen or else"*
Fans: "OMG, this Hinata is such a bad ass"
Kishimoto: *sigh* "I give up"

 

Really thinking about it, I can see where Kishimoto truly gave up. No matter what, people will still say Hinata is the best even if she becomes exactly what they accuse Sakura of being. She could literally be just like the girl from the horror movie Misery by Stephen King by breaking Naruto's legs threatening to do more if he doesn't love her and people will some how still love her and praise her as being a perfect girl. This is how pathetic the Naruto fandom has become. Hinata can do no wrong even if she was like Madara himself all the while Sakura could do nothing right even if he changed her. To me, Kishimoto kind of saw that the fandoms didn't care what he did or what he truly wanted to express and he gave up.

It always puzzled me why Hinata still had a crush on Naruto in Road to Ninja while everyone else was the exact opposite in every way.

Sasuke was an asexual who didn't care about women.
RtN Sasuke is a playboy and a womanizer and loves every woman.

Naruto was a goofy, knuckled-headed, highly expressive boy who had no parents and was in love with Sakura
RtN Naruto aka Menma is a stoic, rigid, unethusiatic, had parents, and really expressed no feelings to anyone that we know of. (Sasuke without the revenge more or less)

Sakura was in love with Sasuke
RtN Sakura was in love with Menma

Hinata was shy, reserved, heavily dressed, and had an obsession with Naruto.
RtN was open, loud mouthed, slutty dressed, a kitten, and had an obsession with....Menma?

Why does both Hinata's have a crush on the same man while everyone else changed their view points on their love affairs. I really think RtN Hinata is not really an opposite of who Hinata was, but basically a personification of her fanbase. I believe Kishimoto openly mocked the NH fandom that he knew and saw and they don't even recognize it.






 


Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 February 2018 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:07 AM

Why does both Hinata's have a crush on the same man while everyone else changed their view points on their love affairs. I really think RtN Hinata is not really an opposite of who Hinata was, but basically a personification of her fanbase. I believe Kishimoto openly mocked the NH fandom that he knew and saw and they don't even recognize it.

 

You know, James, it just also shows how pathetic Hinata's character really was in general if Road to Ninja had to have her crush on (or rather obsessive for) Menma, and how that translated to Naruto. I could see it being a big mocking to the NH fandom, and then we got the fact that the NH fandom doesn't see it as you said.







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