I'm sick of all of the ship teases honestly. kitten got boring after all this time.

And his main funding is in Japan so what's going on? Is he REALLY trying to make his manga fail by asserting NH - knowing over there that Sakura's all the rage?

Whatever, his manga. Better ones out there that's for sure.

Well if they're on the same cover together, I'd assume the same thing...

I don't care if NH becomes canon anymore. I still like NS.

Eh, maybe but it just seems like a lot going on and the last thing we need is to be fussing about a character that Kishi's decided he will never change.

Pity though, she had potential.

What cover? Link please?

Okay, yeah I see things do seem to be heating up.

If it will cool things down I will keep my Hinata comments to myself and we can go on about the chapter.

.....Why so snippy?

Whoa there... you need to be careful saying things like this.

Hinata's character doesn't have much dimension. It's nothing wrong with assuming it was on her mind.

And that's just it. Naruto all the time with Hinata. Look at Ino and Shikamaru. They just lost their father's and did they go all "oh wait - Naruto!", they mourned to themselves as best they could without letting it affect them but their certainly not thinking about romance. The point is, her feelings for Naruto are clouding EVERYTHING for her.

It's not even worth discussing. Hinata's a satellite character. Everything she does involves Naruto yet there's plenty more here at the war that are also thinking about Naruto AND their family members.

Hinata would rather give a speech and then turn around and fangasm for a hand holding.

She started the lecture after the slap right? Idk, I couldn't go reread it after the panels of Neji laying there dead. Just couldn't handle it. =(

Either way it's all the same. She's still thinking about romance with the guy after her cousin just died and there's a war going on....

No one's discounting that she encouraged Naruto beautifully. What's annoying about it is that she goes from giving a badass lecture to cupping the guys face and fangasming for holding his hand.

That's like if Sakura were to say "Omg Sasuke-kun's sooooo warm I can feel his muscles!" when she hugged him from behind after he flipped out on the Sound-nin during the Chunin Exams.

That's distasteful period - fangasming during a serious situation. I'm glad Sakura DIDN'T do that.

In response to Halfstar, I see where you're coming from but I just want to clarify something (if that's okay).

I was once a HUGE Hinata fan. Loved her more than most other characters, except Gaara, Neji and Lee. It wasn't until I got deeper into the story that my love for her began to deplete because of how her character is in the series. I'm disgusted with her because she's so single-minded all of a sudden. I know she's not like Sakura --- she's not trying to get over her childhood crush and that's what disturbs me.

True, Naruto's never done anything wrong to her to make her stop liking him but the only reason why I think it's great if she did get over him is because of how much more powerful she would seem. Sakura too. If they get over their childhood crushes, they can be the image of female power in that they struggled with love like a LOT of us girls have but realized that their true strength lies in themselves. It's one thing to love a guy, but Hinata's love for Naruto comes off more as admiration that she's confusing with love and Sakura's is like infactuation and girlish dreams - so much to the point that she's convinced herself she's in love - that's what I believe. I believe Hinata admires Naruto and wants to be like him - she doesn't need to be with him and I just wish she could see that. I believe Sakura's convinced herself that she's in love with Sasuke - why? Not sure yet but it seems this way. It seems like she's assuming she's in love with him and to make matters worse, every time she considers her feelings for Naruto, it's like he's convinced HIMSELF that she loves Sasuke and as a result, Sakura's assuming the same.

I feel like Hinata and Sakura haven't really had a choice in here. Strange yes, and it probably doesn't make much sense either but that's just it - it doesn't make sense. Hinata at this point (not because I'm Pro-NS) should be satisfied with Naruto for who he is and realize that he's more than just a proud failure, he's a human being and he struggles, he feels, he dreams, he learns, he grows and he exists JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. If she could do this then I'm sure she would know that all he needs is her friendship - not her romance. She's a Hyuuga, a strong Hyuuga who's been through a lot and learned from him but she isn't the only one he's changed. As soon as she realizes this she should stand by him as a friend nothing more.

As for Sakura, I feel like the sooner she realizes that she has a voice, a chance, strength and experience to add to improve herself - the happier she'll be and the sooner she'll be able to accept having felt strongly for Sasuke but realize that she and Naruto are BOTH hungry to get their teammate back - not for romance - but for love. Because they love him and care for him. The sooner Sakura decides to stop fighting behind Naruto or before him and start fighting WITH him (much like she said she would in 573 - so I'm hoping) she'll be stronger - not just for NS - but for herself. For her to realize she's strong would be amazing.

I also hope that Sakura will see that SHE does have feelings for Naruto and also that SHE needs to convince Naruto that she has feelings for him. Last time, things didn't go too well but she still has a chance.

Sorry for the LAP but just wanted to put that out there....

Simply put, I'm not angry with Hinata for being a threat to NS. I'm angry with Hinata for being a threat to herself. In the event that NS happens, what will Hinata do with herself? If she decides to be Naruto's friend - she will flourish. If she continues to pursue him - she's just a pairing fodder...

Sadly yes I was. I always hoped Hinata would become more than that. I always saw her relationship with her team and Neji as well as her clan as being her ultimate source of growth. All she's done is chase Naruto and as a result, she's become a poor excuse for a character and a horrible example for girls looking up to her. She's pathetic. There's no excuse for her behavior.




Sometimes I think so. I think he's purposely setting her up for a troll - good thing I'm no longer interested in her to even care.

Not sure, that'd be great if he did.




Aww thanks.

Same here, I was halfway imagining that chapter 615 would have his teammates reactions to his death and maybe some words about him as man from someone - Hinata barely did this, imo. I wanted Neji to live and rule the clan along with Hinata - believe it or not, I wasn't always a NejiHina fan, I originally liked her with someone else but it wasn't until I saw how great she worked in a team with Neji and I started to look at their relationship as something that could strengthen her. They always seemed to correspond well. Neji was her saving grace in my eye. Relationship or not I wouldn't loved to see her get over herself, team up with Neji and rule to clan and also to start to see herself on the same level as others and not just chase Naruto.

I feel like Neji dying for Hinata was a waste. She's still immature and selfish. The only thing she cares about is Naruto and herself. It feels like she only spoke on Neji just to further her goal to hold Naruto's hand.

I'm sorry, just putting this out there, but sometimes I feel like Kishi did this just because he had something against NejiHina... not sure why. Maybe it's because of the holding hands over his dead body and him dying in the first place. It's a baseless thing to say I know but sometimes I wonder...



I don't hate her either, but I just don't like her character anymore. I can't even be happy that she's spoken up for once because it just seems like it was done in her desperate need to get Naruto to look at her.

D'awwwwwwww those panels are so damn cute!

There's no reason for these two NOT to be endgame. So much build-up - it just seems impossible for it to be any other pair besides NS.

HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE! XDDDD

I will admit that when I first read the chapter it made me think NH was canon but oddly enough I still have hope for NS - I'm just gonna be chill about this though because I don't think Kishi even understands how badly this chapter is making his manga out to be.

I've been looking at Japanese posters on blogs and they don't seem pleased with this chapter at all. Because of Sakura's role so far and how poorly Kishi treated Neji. I wonder does he understand how impersonal he comes out with how he handled Neji's death? Everyone expects for an author to care about their characters, no matter who they are. If you're going to kill off a character, do it respectfully. It just seems like Neji was used in a poor attempt to scare us all into believing that this war is serious .

Neji deserved a better death BECAUSE of the fact that he was such a beloved character. Not only that but Kishi himself took time to develop Neji as a character period. Any character you create and then trash them just off a whim is disrespectful not only to his manga but to his readers too. Impersonal is the biggest word I can use to describe all of this. Cold-blooded too. Added on to the fact that you have Naruto and Hinata holding hands over his dead body and Hinata thinking about how big Naruto's hand is when her cousin just DIED for HER.

Shallow, immature and disrespectful.

I used to be the biggest Hinata fan but now I don't care at all for her. I blatantly dislike her now.

I hope NS happens more than ever now. Just to spite Hinata and also in my stupid hope that she will become more than just a girl pining to get in a guy's pants.

Didn't see that coming but it's alright I guess.

Well, judging from the chapter, it looks like NH won afterall.

Sorry guys, looks like we were wrong...

Oh well, if NH gets confirmed in this chapter then alright. It's a shock of course but I'm not angry. It's been a long ass pairing war and for one pair to get confirmed would just ease some of this stressful fighting.

NS would have worked soooo much better imo but it's Kishi's manga and he's free to do as he pleases.

I've already said on NF that if NH is confirmed I will congratulate them and move on. It looks canon by the picture but I'll just wait until tomorrow to give congrats.

I still love NS canon or not. I hope everyone else here will too.

Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas! Mine could've gone better but it's fine lol




Okay, I know you don't mean any harm by this but really this is harsh. I'm a hardcore Neji fan and suicide never crossed my mind.

Just be a bit cautious with what you say, alright?


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Have spoiler's been released yet?

I really don't know lol kishi and his slow moves.

I think the NH is about to cease pretty soon too. I hope so, but right now I'm just chill about all of this.

Well we're all over 16 at this rate! Definitely of mature age I guess right?

LOL Wow, we're all old here huh? I know the feeling. I've been doing the same every time I see these Neji supports NaruHina comments but I try to ignore them because we all make assumptions based on how we perceive things. I talk to the NH fans that will listen - especially the ones who are logical and look at this manga for what it is.

I'm really confused as to how this chapter was NaruHina. He said her name? Well, he said Neji was badass and held the guy . Her protecting Naruto is normal too because everyone's there to protect him. I didn't see NH here. I saw the actions of Hyuuga's all protecting Naruto together. Heck, what if Hinata disappears next chapter - just like Ino and Shika kind of did?



LOL Agreed! We're not paying for it! 8D

I've just completed my finals in college, I should be registering for classes next semester - but I might just look for a part time job for a while, this last semester of school was rough for me. I had a break-up and it pummeled my self-confidence for a while...

Honestly, after Neji's death I would not say Hinata's 'safe'. Just like with Gaara's situation now. He's had a 'death' but he's still not 'safe'... As much as I want him to be.

I don't think anyone's safe anymore. I really don't.

Wow, I thought about this too...

Me too. What I like about you guys is that you all have different ideas for NaruSaku, openly discuss them and still support the pairing. You guys are so realistic and logical and I love that. ^^
I'm not worried about negs really. I don't even care for them anymore. I don't even want to argue about pairings anymore. That's why I stopped debating for NS. People will always fuss or twist words and it's not necessary. I rather enjoy my ships, talk with other fans and leave it at that.

I'm 20 years old - muuuuccch too old to be arguing about fictional characters.