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Posted 15 March 2015 - 03:43 PM

I can only urge my fellow posters at H&E to avoid the Sakura novel as much as possible. If the snippets from the Shikamaru novel are any indication, these characters are poor parodies of the ones we've come to love. 

 

So true.

 

And after reading the bit from Shika's novel, the preview of Sakura's novel and knowing that they're going to release it on a significant NS date...I don't think that's a coincidence. 

 

The characterization of the women in these books, the complete and utter destruction of their characters...all I can think is that the writers are completely sexist. This isn't just bad writing. This is offensive stereotyping. Sakura is shown as sharp and violent and shrewish. The only women that we are allowed to "like" are the ones who are passive and weepy.

 

Temari was always bolder, more fierce and more threatening than Sakura — they weren't even on the same level. Sakura was compassionate. Temari was a killer. And Shikamaru was the one who was crying! But look the books would have us believe that Sakura was the brashest character of the book, Temari just needed to be softened by a man's love, and the lesson of Shikamaru falling for and seeing the hidden value in a strong woman has been dismissed completely. 

 

It's totally sexist and offensive. There is something seriously wrong with the men who are guiding Naruto now. (I say men only not to offend anyone, but I have not seen a single woman associated with the series in any way other than ultra girly voice actors and Junko. I bet they don't have women in a positions of authority as part of the franchise.)

 

I think the date is chosen as a snub to Sakura. It's a dig. It becomes the day that they officially try to scuttle NS, instead of when they fell in love.

 

But it doesn't represent the day that Naruto lost/gave up on one of the biggest goals of his life outside of being Hokage (as it should). This is all aimed at Sakura, and showing how she's mean and hateful and always cared more for Sasuke than Naruto. It just shows how much they really hate Sakura.

 

I won't be reading any of this nonsense. And I've stopped feeling like anything past 698 is canon. I'm so glad we have a site that's become a tribute to the story before they destroyed it.



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 03:48 PM

Damn, these panels remind me when people spit on Sai and say that he doesnt belong to Team 7.  :wallbash:

God, Sai was so much better than Sasuke when he was in team 7 ! At least, he cared about his teammates, and tried to become their friend and understand them ... 


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:15 PM

Gotta love, how Naruto still follow Sakura, but she just throw him away after getting Sasuke's headpoke  :ermm:



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:23 PM

Gotta love, how Naruto still follow Sakura, but she just throw him away after getting Sasuke's headpoke  :ermm:

They would have us believe that Sakura was just using Naruto until she finally had a chance with Sasuke. As soon as that happened, she tried to get him together with Hinata just so he would be out of her way. It's disgusting.


 


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:25 PM

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:29 PM

 

So true.

 

And after reading the bit from Shika's novel, the preview of Sakura's novel and knowing that they're going to release it on a significant NS date...I don't think that's a coincidence. 

 

The characterization of the women in these books, the complete and utter destruction of their characters...all I can think is that the writers are completely sexist. This isn't just bad writing. This is offensive stereotyping. Sakura is shown as sharp and violent and shrewish. The only women that we are allowed to "like" are the ones who are passive and weepy.

 

Temari was always bolder, more fierce and more threatening than Sakura — they weren't even on the same level. Sakura was compassionate. Temari was a killer. And Shikamaru was the one who was crying! But look the books would have us believe that Sakura was the brashest character of the book, Temari just needed to be softened by a man's love, and the lesson of Shikamaru falling for and seeing the hidden value in a strong woman has been dismissed completely. 

 

It's totally sexist and offensive. There is something seriously wrong with the men who are guiding Naruto now. (I say men only not to offend anyone, but I have not seen a single woman associated with the series in any way other than ultra girly voice actors and Junko. I bet they don't have women in a positions of authority as part of the franchise.)

 

I think the date is chosen as a snub to Sakura. It's a dig. It becomes the day that they officially try to scuttle NS, instead of when they fell in love.

 

But it doesn't represent the day that Naruto lost/gave up on one of the biggest goals of his life outside of being Hokage (as it should). This is all aimed at Sakura, and showing how she's mean and hateful and always cared more for Sasuke than Naruto. It just shows how much they really hate Sakura.

 

I won't be reading any of this nonsense. And I've stopped feeling like anything past 698 is canon. I'm so glad we have a site that's become a tribute to the story before they destroyed it.

 

This is a really good interpretation that I hadn't considered. On my first glance at the chapter bit, what stood out to me was how the Sakura they portray, to me, seems like the negative stereotype of Sakura employed by anti-Sakura fans. She's obsessed with Sasuke, dismissive and rude to Naruto, and overly violent. The violence in the show is CLEARLY for comedy and very much in line with common tropes in anime. The way it's portrayed in the chapter doesn't seem to fit the same mold. I hadn't considered the fact that they were softening Temari and hardening Sakura. That's distressing. But it is also completely in line with what Kishi has said in various interviews.



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:30 PM

 

So true.

 

And after reading the bit from Shika's novel, the preview of Sakura's novel and knowing that they're going to release it on a significant NS date...I don't think that's a coincidence. 

 

The characterization of the women in these books, the complete and utter destruction of their characters...all I can think is that the writers are completely sexist. This isn't just bad writing. This is offensive stereotyping. Sakura is shown as sharp and violent and shrewish. The only women that we are allowed to "like" are the ones who are passive and weepy.

 

Temari was always bolder, more fierce and more threatening than Sakura — they weren't even on the same level. Sakura was compassionate. Temari was a killer. And Shikamaru was the one who was crying! But look the books would have us believe that Sakura was the brashest character of the book, Temari just needed to be softened by a man's love, and the lesson of Shikamaru falling for and seeing the hidden value in a strong woman has been dismissed completely. 

 

It's totally sexist and offensive. There is something seriously wrong with the men who are guiding Naruto now. (I say men only not to offend anyone, but I have not seen a single woman associated with the series in any way other than ultra girly voice actors and Junko. I bet they don't have women in a positions of authority as part of the franchise.)

 

I think the date is chosen as a snub to Sakura. It's a dig. It becomes the day that they officially try to scuttle NS, instead of when they fell in love.

 

But it doesn't represent the day that Naruto lost/gave up on one of the biggest goals of his life outside of being Hokage (as it should). This is all aimed at Sakura, and showing how she's mean and hateful and always cared more for Sasuke than Naruto. It just shows how much they really hate Sakura.

 

I won't be reading any of this nonsense. And I've stopped feeling like anything past 698 is canon. I'm so glad we have a site that's become a tribute to the story before they destroyed it.

Great post ! As always  :smile:

 

I agree with you, especially the bolded part. 

I remember when Tsunade was first introduced, how much I admired her: Seeing such a powerful woman becoming a hokage, that didn't need a man to be strong or confident, who was skilled and could lead men, kinda impressed me. I loved how there were such kunoichis with a strong character like Tenten, or Temari...and more specifically Sakura. She was useless at first, but then she trained and wanted to become as strong as her teammates..She was so much more than the selfish girl in love with "Sasuke-kun". I, who was more like Hinata, wanted to become like these girls...and now Kishi just destroyed everything.

Back then, if anybody told me that Kishi was a stupid sexist, I would have laughed and told him to stop spewing nonsense...but now... 

 

I hate it how all the girls changed because of these guys, how they are only defined by who they love...even Hinata, I even started to like her before the end, believing that her character would have some kind of closure,but, in the end, she's just as pitiful as all the other girls, Tsunade included. 

I really hate all this. I felt betrayed by the man I believed in, but now, I care less and and less, I know that  there are other-and real- authors out there who are going to give me what I really want, authors who are true to themselves and won't change their story just because of money. 


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:32 PM

Grrr....one more LAP....

 

So, I finally read that recent interview with Kishimoto, and I've decided he's a complete tool.

 

Passive and insecure. After many attempts he struggled on a gimmicky storyline, but he had no idea how to carry on. His only special talent seem to be in making cliffhangers. But they aren't really cliffhangers if they lead the readers nowhere and contribute nothing to the story. They are just a giant flashing sign that the author is drowning.

 

No wonder he's gotten as far as he has in the commercial world. He's their yes-man. He's even admitted he's not capable of writing without good guidance, and once that left, he was rudderless. So that's why he so readily sold out his characters/story for popularity contests and editor/publisher suggestions.

 

As for Sakura and his 'not understanding why she was so unpopular'all I have to say is WHAT A COP OUT. A writer alone determines the fate of the character, not the reader. If he wanted her to be more popular, then he could have written her with more developed and complicated storyline. He should have made her more important to the story. This is his only job.

 

Instead he answers the questions as if he was powerless. Even when the interviewer suggests 'it was too late to drop her (Sakura) from the storyline' Kishimoto is ambivalent instead of outraged. This bonehead interviewer acts as if it's common knowledge that Sakura was just a frivolous part of the storyline. But she was intrinsic to it. It's Hinata that was the throwaway character (only built up by the anime). But instead of defending his work or explaining it, Kishimoto just meekly agrees. 

 

Kishimoto doesn't even understand his own work. He seems to me very passive and malleable. 

 

I mean, imagine dropping Hermione in the middle of the Harry Potter series, because the fans likes Luna Lovegood better? Dropping the main female lead for a secondary character who doesn't make a real contribution to the story until the end of the series. That's what the interviewer is suggesting!! But Kishimoto says nothing.

 

If Kishimoto had written a better story for Sakura, showing her development along with the rest, then her reception would have been different. Had he seen her story through to it's resolution, with her changing and evolving to love the Naruto as much as he had always loved her, then fans would have loved her. There is no mysterious formula here. Naruto's the hero, the story centers around what he wants. And part of his charm is that he's always loved this girl who has been just out of his reach. And through the whole story he's steadily closed that gap. It's Kishimoto who let down the story, not the characters.

 

The anime drove fans to Hinata, no one's in doubt of that. The manga simply didn't feature her enough to warrant any kind of real shipping. 

 

But Kishimoto is the one who made Sakura's unpopularity a reality. He's the one who stopped promoting her and writing for her. He's the one who's given her an ambiguous storyline in relation to Naruto and Sasuke — loving Naruto and going overboard for him, but then crying and begging for Sasuke.

 

Kishimoto wrote that.

 

He reinforced that ridiculous popularity of a throwaway character with no story, passive behavior and big boobs

 

No one else did. And blaming it, even obliquely, on the popularity of fans and pretending he had no control over what he was writing shows just how much of a tool he is. Literally.

 

Sometimes artists are visionaries, expressing their story as only they can. But sometimes the artist is just a pen, waiting for someone else's hand to guide him. This is Kishimoto. He may have started with a vision, but he long ago let go if it and gave over control to someone else. Now he's just a tool directed by the anime team, the publishers and the businessmen above him. 

 

He's mystified by Sakura's lack of popularity, but he doesn't even realize that he's the one in control of it. Instead he blames it on the fans. But reading beneath the lines, he knows the story has gone wrong. That's why people are still asking about Sakura, and he's still making excuses. He knows the story has unraveled, but he's can't admit that it's his own fault because he didn't stand up for his own work.

 

This is exactly what Miyazaki was talking about in that article. That the otakus and fans are driving the industry instead of the other way around. And he may have had Naruto in mind when he gave that interview.

 

I've gone through levels of closure since the end of the manga, and this interview is just another door closed for me. After this, I don't have any sympathy for Kishimoto. Instead of protecting his story, he just handed it over to others. And the fact that he blames fans for the failure of characters is the last and loudest insult. Kishimoto is the failure here. No one else is to blame.



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:43 PM

Grrr....one more LAP....

 

So, I finally read that recent interview with Kishimoto, and I've decided he's a complete tool.

 

Passive and insecure. After many attempts he struggled on a gimmicky storyline, but he had no idea how to carry on. His only special talent seem to be in making cliffhangers. But they aren't really cliffhangers if they lead the readers nowhere and contribute nothing to the story. They are just a giant flashing sign that the author is drowning.

 

No wonder he's gotten as far as he has in the commercial world. He's their yes-man. He's even admitted he's not capable of writing without good guidance, and once that left, he was rudderless. So that's why he so readily sold out his characters/story for popularity contests and editor/publisher suggestions.

 

As for Sakura and his 'not understanding why she was so unpopular'all I have to say is WHAT A COP OUT. A writer alone determines the fate of the character, not the reader. If he wanted her to be more popular, then he could have written her with more developed and complicated storyline. He should have made her more important to the story. This is his only job.

 

Instead he answers the questions as if he was powerless. Even when the interviewer suggests 'it was too late to drop her (Sakura) from the storyline' Kishimoto is ambivalent instead of outraged. This bonehead interviewer acts as if it's common knowledge that Sakura was just a frivolous part of the storyline. But she was intrinsic to it. It's Hinata that was the throwaway character (only built up by the anime). But instead of defending his work or explaining it, Kishimoto just meekly agrees. 

 

Kishimoto doesn't even understand his own work. He seems to me very passive and malleable. 

 

I mean, imagine dropping Hermione in the middle of the Harry Potter series, because the fans likes Luna Lovegood better? Dropping the main female lead for a secondary character who doesn't make a real contribution to the story until the end of the series. That's what the interviewer is suggesting!! But Kishimoto says nothing.

 

If Kishimoto had written a better story for Sakura, showing her development along with the rest, then her reception would have been different. Had he seen her story through to it's resolution, with her changing and evolving to love the Naruto as much as he had always loved her, then fans would have loved her. There is no mysterious formula here. Naruto's the hero, the story centers around what he wants. And part of his charm is that he's always loved this girl who has been just out of his reach. And through the whole story he's steadily closed that gap. It's Kishimoto who let down the story, not the characters.

 

The anime drove fans to Hinata, no one's in doubt of that. The manga simply didn't feature her enough to warrant any kind of real shipping. 

 

But Kishimoto is the one who made Sakura's unpopularity a reality. He's the one who stopped promoting her and writing for her. He's the one who's given her an ambiguous storyline in relation to Naruto and Sasuke — loving Naruto and going overboard for him, but then crying and begging for Sasuke.

 

Kishimoto wrote that.

 

He reinforced that ridiculous popularity of a throwaway character with no story, passive behavior and big boobs

 

No one else did. And blaming it, even obliquely, on the popularity of fans and pretending he had no control over what he was writing shows just how much of a tool he is. Literally.

 

Sometimes artists are visionaries, expressing their story as only they can. But sometimes the artist is just a pen, waiting for someone else's hand to guide him. This is Kishimoto. He may have started with a vision, but he long ago let go if it and gave over control to someone else. Now he's just a tool directed by the anime team, the publishers and the businessmen above him. 

 

He's mystified by Sakura's lack of popularity, but he doesn't even realize that he's the one in control of it. Instead he blames it on the fans. But reading beneath the lines, he knows the story has gone wrong. That's why people are still asking about Sakura, and he's still making excuses. He knows the story has unraveled, but he's can't admit that it's his own fault because he didn't stand up for his own work.

 

This is exactly what Miyazaki was talking about in that article. That the otakus and fans are driving the industry instead of the other way around. And he may have had Naruto in mind when he gave that interview.

 

I've gone through levels of closure since the end of the manga, and this interview is just another door closed for me. After this, I don't have any sympathy for Kishimoto. Instead of protecting his story, he just handed it over to others. And the fact that he blames fans for the failure of characters is the last and loudest insult. Kishimoto is the failure here. No one else is to blame.

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:44 PM

Grrr....one more LAP....

 

So, I finally read that recent interview with Kishimoto, and I've decided he's a complete tool.

 

Passive and insecure. After many attempts he struggled on a gimmicky storyline, but he had no idea how to carry on. His only special talent seem to be in making cliffhangers. But they aren't really cliffhangers if they lead the readers nowhere and contribute nothing to the story. They are just a giant flashing sign that the author is drowning.

 

No wonder he's gotten as far as he has in the commercial world. He's their yes-man. He's even admitted he's not capable of writing without good guidance, and once that left, he was rudderless. So that's why he so readily sold out his characters/story for popularity contests and editor/publisher suggestions.

 

As for Sakura and his 'not understanding why she was so unpopular'all I have to say is WHAT A COP OUT. A writer alone determines the fate of the character, not the reader. If he wanted her to be more popular, then he could have written her with more developed and complicated storyline. He should have made her more important to the story. This is his only job.

 

Instead he answers the questions as if he was powerless. Even when the interviewer suggests 'it was too late to drop her (Sakura) from the storyline' Kishimoto is ambivalent instead of outraged. This bonehead interviewer acts as if it's common knowledge that Sakura was just a frivolous part of the storyline. But she was intrinsic to it. It's Hinata that was the throwaway character (only built up by the anime). But instead of defending his work or explaining it, Kishimoto just meekly agrees. 

 

Kishimoto doesn't even understand his own work. He seems to me very passive and malleable. 

 

I mean, imagine dropping Hermione in the middle of the Harry Potter series, because the fans likes Luna Lovegood better? Dropping the main female lead for a secondary character who doesn't make a real contribution to the story until the end of the series. That's what the interviewer is suggesting!! But Kishimoto says nothing.

 

If Kishimoto had written a better story for Sakura, showing her development along with the rest, then her reception would have been different. Had he seen her story through to it's resolution, with her changing and evolving to love the Naruto as much as he had always loved her, then fans would have loved her. There is no mysterious formula here. Naruto's the hero, the story centers around what he wants. And part of his charm is that he's always loved this girl who has been just out of his reach. And through the whole story he's steadily closed that gap. It's Kishimoto who let down the story, not the characters.

 

The anime drove fans to Hinata, no one's in doubt of that. The manga simply didn't feature her enough to warrant any kind of real shipping. 

 

But Kishimoto is the one who made Sakura's unpopularity a reality. He's the one who stopped promoting her and writing for her. He's the one who's given her an ambiguous storyline in relation to Naruto and Sasuke — loving Naruto and going overboard for him, but then crying and begging for Sasuke.

 

Kishimoto wrote that.

 

He reinforced that ridiculous popularity of a throwaway character with no story, passive behavior and big boobs

 

No one else did. And blaming it, even obliquely, on the popularity of fans and pretending he had no control over what he was writing shows just how much of a tool he is. Literally.

 

Sometimes artists are visionaries, expressing their story as only they can. But sometimes the artist is just a pen, waiting for someone else's hand to guide him. This is Kishimoto. He may have started with a vision, but he long ago let go if it and gave over control to someone else. Now he's just a tool directed by the anime team, the publishers and the businessmen above him. 

 

He's mystified by Sakura's lack of popularity, but he doesn't even realize that he's the one in control of it. Instead he blames it on the fans. But reading beneath the lines, he knows the story has gone wrong. That's why people are still asking about Sakura, and he's still making excuses. He knows the story has unraveled, but he's can't admit that it's his own fault because he didn't stand up for his own work.

 

This is exactly what Miyazaki was talking about in that article. That the otakus and fans are driving the industry instead of the other way around. And he may have had Naruto in mind when he gave that interview.

 

I've gone through levels of closure since the end of the manga, and this interview is just another door closed for me. After this, I don't have any sympathy for Kishimoto. Instead of protecting his story, he just handed it over to others. And the fact that he blames fans for the failure of characters is the last and loudest insult. Kishimoto is the failure here. No one else is to blame.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :smile:


 


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:45 PM

Grrr....one more LAP....

 

So, I finally read that recent interview with Kishimoto, and I've decided he's a complete tool.

 

Passive and insecure. After many attempts he struggled on a gimmicky storyline, but he had no idea how to carry on. His only special talent seem to be in making cliffhangers. But they aren't really cliffhangers if they lead the readers nowhere and contribute nothing to the story. They are just a giant flashing sign that the author is drowning.

 

No wonder he's gotten as far as he has in the commercial world. He's their yes-man. He's even admitted he's not capable of writing without good guidance, and once that left, he was rudderless. So that's why he so readily sold out his characters/story for popularity contests and editor/publisher suggestions.

 

As for Sakura and his 'not understanding why she was so unpopular'all I have to say is WHAT A COP OUT. A writer alone determines the fate of the character, not the reader. If he wanted her to be more popular, then he could have written her with more developed and complicated storyline. He should have made her more important to the story. This is his only job.

 

Instead he answers the questions as if he was powerless. Even when the interviewer suggests 'it was too late to drop her (Sakura) from the storyline' Kishimoto is ambivalent instead of outraged. This bonehead interviewer acts as if it's common knowledge that Sakura was just a frivolous part of the storyline. But she was intrinsic to it. It's Hinata that was the throwaway character (only built up by the anime). But instead of defending his work or explaining it, Kishimoto just meekly agrees. 

 

Kishimoto doesn't even understand his own work. He seems to me very passive and malleable. 

 

I mean, imagine dropping Hermione in the middle of the Harry Potter series, because the fans likes Luna Lovegood better? Dropping the main female lead for a secondary character who doesn't make a real contribution to the story until the end of the series. That's what the interviewer is suggesting!! But Kishimoto says nothing.

 

If Kishimoto had written a better story for Sakura, showing her development along with the rest, then her reception would have been different. Had he seen her story through to it's resolution, with her changing and evolving to love the Naruto as much as he had always loved her, then fans would have loved her. There is no mysterious formula here. Naruto's the hero, the story centers around what he wants. And part of his charm is that he's always loved this girl who has been just out of his reach. And through the whole story he's steadily closed that gap. It's Kishimoto who let down the story, not the characters.

 

The anime drove fans to Hinata, no one's in doubt of that. The manga simply didn't feature her enough to warrant any kind of real shipping. 

 

But Kishimoto is the one who made Sakura's unpopularity a reality. He's the one who stopped promoting her and writing for her. He's the one who's given her an ambiguous storyline in relation to Naruto and Sasuke — loving Naruto and going overboard for him, but then crying and begging for Sasuke.

 

Kishimoto wrote that.

 

He reinforced that ridiculous popularity of a throwaway character with no story, passive behavior and big boobs

 

No one else did. And blaming it, even obliquely, on the popularity of fans and pretending he had no control over what he was writing shows just how much of a tool he is. Literally.

 

Sometimes artists are visionaries, expressing their story as only they can. But sometimes the artist is just a pen, waiting for someone else's hand to guide him. This is Kishimoto. He may have started with a vision, but he long ago let go if it and gave over control to someone else. Now he's just a tool directed by the anime team, the publishers and the businessmen above him. 

 

He's mystified by Sakura's lack of popularity, but he doesn't even realize that he's the one in control of it. Instead he blames it on the fans. But reading beneath the lines, he knows the story has gone wrong. That's why people are still asking about Sakura, and he's still making excuses. He knows the story has unraveled, but he's can't admit that it's his own fault because he didn't stand up for his own work.

 

This is exactly what Miyazaki was talking about in that article. That the otakus and fans are driving the industry instead of the other way around. And he may have had Naruto in mind when he gave that interview.

 

I've gone through levels of closure since the end of the manga, and this interview is just another door closed for me. After this, I don't have any sympathy for Kishimoto. Instead of protecting his story, he just handed it over to others. And the fact that he blames fans for the failure of characters is the last and loudest insult. Kishimoto is the failure here. No one else is to blame.

 

Another amazing post Tricksie

 

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:47 PM

That's just false advertising like they did with the movie.

Yeah i remember the calender.


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:49 PM

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Kishimoto ladies and gentlemen :zaru:

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:57 PM

I like how they never bring up Sasuke's feelings in the equation though. Like Sakura, I know you're waiting for him, but honestly, is he waiting for you????
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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:58 PM

Another great post, Tricksie.

What stands out to me is how deeply my perception of these characters has been affected by the ending and subsequent information. We all love Sakura here. But in light of how things ended, is she really an integral part of the story? Sure, she has a great fight against Sasori and she lands a decisive blow against Kaguya. But despite panel after panel of her stating her desire to help Naruto save Sasuke, she is on the periphery. Her biggest role is Sasuke's love interest. Would the story be any different if Ino or some other girl was on Team 7?

 

That's a huge indictment of Kishi. There are countless examples of Anime and western art where the female MC is integral and memorable. I don't know if I can say the same about Sakura anymore.

 

Speaking of the violence and all the anti-sakura.. didn't Kishi mention that he got letters from little girls saying they hate her? Did he specify from where? I was watching the english dub of the anime (yuck) and Sakura comes off as a lot more harsh and unsympathetic. It might just be because the english dub has no emotion, but I don't think the western fanbase understands the whole "tsundere"  trope and will drag Sakura to uplift someone who's "sweet, shy and nice" like Hinata. All those fillers of Sakura being a tsundere and portraying her as rude don't help either. Especially with all the Hinata fillers! 

 

I guess that's what they're trying to do with these novels, like you mentioned. I didn't think they'd actually change Sakura completely to fit the opinions of all these idiots, ugh! This is such a nightmare. A never ending nightmare :twitch:

 

You would think western fans would be aware of the tsundere trope by now. I mean, wasn't Inuyasha on TV here first? It's not like Naruto is the only example of that trope available to western fans. It's confusing.



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:08 PM

 

This! Just this! Your posts are always spot on. :cry:

 

He should have given her more of a backstory, or better yet he should he have focused on her more on part two, removing all the "Sasuke I still love you" BS, giving her more fights, introducing her parents and home life etc. I thought Sakura was off to an alright start by the end of part 1. I was blown away during the save gaara arc! Sakura should have gotten a lot more, and the sad thing is that it was all built up, all of it! Everything was there, but Kishi didn't do anything about it. 

 

I was re-reading the part of the manga where Naruto asks Asuma for help with his wind affinity training, and it got me thinking.. why didn't he do the same for Sakura? Sakura has a talent for genjutsu (perfect to add to her arsenal of attacks, imo), and Kurenai (who just so happens to be Asuma's wife), is a genjutsu expert! That was perfect parallel and a perfect opportunity for Sakura to get some tips on how to improve her skill. Could have even gotten a glimpse of Hinata training with Kurenai like how we saw with Asuma and Shikamaru. It's little stuff like this that he could have put in, and should have, but didn't... :twitch:

 

Sakura's genjutsu abilities has to be up there as one of the biggest dropped balls from the manga, right? 



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:11 PM

I always thought that if Sakura used genjutsu in the manga, it would most likely have had something to do with Inner Sakura. That would've been so badass :cry:
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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:16 PM

 

This! Just this! Your posts are always spot on. :cry:

 

He should have given her more of a backstory, or better yet he should he have focused on her more on part two, removing all the "Sasuke I still love you" BS, giving her more fights, introducing her parents and home life etc. I thought Sakura was off to an alright start by the end of part 1. I was blown away during the save gaara arc! Sakura should have gotten a lot more, and the sad thing is that it was all built up, all of it! Everything was there, but Kishi didn't do anything about it. 

 

I was re-reading the part of the manga where Naruto asks Asuma for help with his wind affinity training, and it got me thinking.. why didn't he do the same for Sakura? Sakura has a talent for genjutsu (perfect to add to her arsenal of attacks, imo), and Kurenai (who just so happens to be Asuma's wife), is a genjutsu expert! That was perfect parallel and a perfect opportunity for Sakura to get some tips on how to improve her skill. Could have even gotten a glimpse of Hinata training with Kurenai like how we saw with Asuma and Shikamaru. It's little stuff like this that he could have put in, and should have, but didn't... :twitch:

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:27 PM

I heard that Kishimoto is considering an alternate ending. Of course that's bull. 

 

But as of now I can honestly say that this is the worst manga ever written. Not because my otp didn't become canon, but the fact that the author and the editors had the audacity to erase what's canon all for the sake of a ship. When this story was supposed to be a shounen. 

 

And this also includes the underlying fact that Kishimoto changed his entire story at the end of the manga as well. I was fooled for reading into it. I'd rather read the Katekyo Hitman Reborn ending 30 times over than go through this kitten again.


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:32 PM

One thing the ending did teach me was that I shouldn't have been so gullible and blind to the bullsh*t going on for years in this manga. I'm pissed off by the fact that I ever had faith in this trash :no:
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