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#29541 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 08 January 2021 - 05:15 PM

There are SO MANY reasons to like EdWin!!! I never felt like I ever had to explain what a marvellous couple they are :smile:


It is really well done, so nuff said!

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Posted 10 January 2021 - 06:15 AM


Also, it's so funny how everyone consistently forgets that it was part of Naruto's goals to earn Sakura's affection. This was supposed to be about him right? That was one of the goals that was thrown away if you think about it. Even in the final chapters, you have Kakashi say 'I like you guys' in comparison to what he said very early on in the series. But Naruto's feeling for Sakura? Sakura saying that she didn't like Naruto in the beginning? The bench scene? Crickets. :hm: All of it was purposely ignored. We even had forehead poke from Sasuke at the end and from what I can remember Naruto looking at them defeated. What a mess! But this is a story about Naruto and his goals right? Oh oops, I forgot, he had to be reserved, like a pick up item at a grocery store, for Hinata's movie. :hm:

Naruto's goals were to win the Sakura's affection and become Kage. Neither of which happened in the end. The manga had one job...get the title character to end with his goals accomplished. One job....

 

There are SO MANY reasons to like EdWin!!! I never felt like I ever had to explain what a marvellous couple they are :smile:

Love FMA, still do. It's just so dang good. Same with AtLA. Both are still so awesome.



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Posted 10 January 2021 - 07:43 AM

 

YEAH, I THOUGH PARALLELS DIDN'T MATTER!!!! :zaru:  HYPOCRISY &#%$ING STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!! :lmao:  :roll:

Only when its a pairing when they don'tt like that it doesn't matter.

 

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anyone see the hidden waterfall village ova? it was one of my favorites when i watched naruto originally. kishi actually wrote a book on it which came out in 2003 in japan and 2007 in english

edit: kishi is credited for the art but the story is credited to: https://myanimelist....atoshi_Kusakabe

Could be a mistake. Could be Kishi wrote it, could be the other guy. I say it likely Kishi came up with the story as well as the general idea and then it was up to the other guy to clean it up to make work for an OVA,

 

Naruto's goals were to win the Sakura's affection and become Kage. Neither of which happened in the end. The manga had one job...get the title character to end with his goals accomplished. One job....

Because Hinata is the most important character in the end. Her happiness matter more than 15 years of writing. 


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 14 January 2021 - 07:33 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2021 - 08:37 AM

Oh I'm aware they pull the parallels only when it applies to NH. But like I said. H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.S.Y. 


Edited by Phantom_999, 10 January 2021 - 07:13 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 11:14 PM

Say do manga get cancelled in Vjump, I know boruto was moved there and I hear that they don't cancel any of their manga their regardless of how well their sales are doing?



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 01:48 AM

Naruto's goals were to win the Sakura's affection and become Kage. Neither of which happened in the end. The manga had one job...get the title character to end with his goals accomplished. One job....

 

I disagree about the Hokage bit. The thing is, Naruto started the series wanting the position but being Ash Ketchum-levels of ignorant about what it actually meant to be a ninja. Compared to some of the things we see happen to other kids or in other villages, Naruto had a pretty rosy childhood. But the issue is the story often forcused on this, this dehumanizing child-soldier creating system, and Naruto kept saying he would change it.

 

Way I see it, the story shouldn't have ended with Naruto becoming Hokage. The story should have ended with Naruto tearing down the system. He's seen what's it's done to people and should be fighting to stop it. Make him Ninja Jesus. Instead, he fought to protect it (because they needed a sequel) while his son wants to be the village's black ops guy.


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Posted 14 January 2021 - 12:17 PM

This is exactly the VERY TOP REASON I don't even care about the series anymore. Hypocrisy at its finest here folks. Naruto has seen first hand what the ninja system has done to countries, their people and most of all how it creates orphans that havew or had way worse living circumstances than him. He then tells himself he will bring peace and topple this system as prophesied by the elder toad sage. AND LOOK AT ALL THE GOOD THAT DID. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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#29548 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 10:45 PM

This is exactly the VERY TOP REASON I don't even care about the series anymore. Hypocrisy at its finest here folks. Naruto has seen first hand what the ninja system has done to countries, their people and most of all how it creates orphans that havew or had way worse living circumstances than him. He then tells himself he will bring peace and topple this system as prophesied by the elder toad sage. AND LLOK AT ALL THE GOOD THAT DID. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I like to think story wise that Shikamaru and Kakashi are the reasons for that happening because of their fanaticism with the system and not seeing its flaws when they experienced it themselves

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 02:34 AM

That too but they are not the focal point of the story and again Naruto is suppose to be "Ninja Jesus" which is why his hypocrisy earns the brunt of my ire with the entire conclusion to the his part story. (Boruto is ongoing unfortunately)


Edited by Phantom_999, 16 January 2021 - 04:19 AM.

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Posted 16 January 2021 - 04:28 AM

Naruto wanted to become Hokage to gain everyone's acknowledgement, right? But by the end of the Pain fight, he had already gained the acknowledgment of the village, so I think the reason why Naruto would continue to want the Hokage role is to actually implement positive change, if I remember correctly. Like you said, wanting to change the cruel ninja world. I believe he would have needed the Hokage position in order to achieve that. It would have provide him with the necessary powers, privileges and connections to do it.

I do agree though, one of the major plot lines dropped aside from the romance plot was Naruto wanting to change the system. And how anyone can support this Hinata infested, untied plotlines BS (Naruto not doing sh** etc.). It was evident that wouldn't have happened in the war arc though. Given how disgustingly long the war arc was (literally almost as long as the entirety of part 1), if things had not gone sideways in the last arc, it's safe to say we probably would have gotten one final one to tie up the loose ends, basically Naruto wanting to change the system and possibly competing with Sasuke for the Hokage role/how to best address the system.

Perhaps after the war arc there would have been a short timeskip (one year) to help with the maturity of everyone. Perhaps the after effects of war would have helped with the plot line. If anyone else wants to chime in feel free to do so. I find it really upsetting how all of this was dropped. And people want to defend this ending despite all of this... lmao. How insulting.

My guess if there was to be one arc after the war things to be resolved would be:

 

The truth of the Uchiha clan massacre would have to be reveled; because there is no way that can remain covered up especially if Naruto wants to get sasuke pardoned for his crimes, since no one knows why he joined akatsuki first place. Plus that leads into Kohonha looking into it's past failures and what it needs to do to reform or they keep making enemies that want to destroy them, The kohona councilors will need to be removed due to their and Danzo' poor oversite. Concluding any remaining side characters plots and arcs, namely the hyuga and hinata's by having her stop try to chase after Naruto and sort out her clan. Memebers of team 7 getting their closing arcs namely Sakura's character arc gets properly resolved on her feelings for her team; mainly moving on from sasuke and realise Naruto is who she really loves, possibly have her unlock slug sage mode since that was teased in the war arc in terms of surpassing her master. If Kakashi becomes Hokage and if sasuke does not fully return to kohona have Naruto and Sakura continue Team 7 in Team yamato with Sai and Captain Yamato until Naruto and sakura finally become either jounin and be ready to lead their own team or fully getting into their future profession, head medic for Sakura & kage in Naruto's case  

 

Taka getting properly resolved, with them staying by sasuke side not orochimaru's and have karin being a uzumaki brought up to Naruto and how that brides the uchiha vs senju/uzumaki clan divide together. The final fate of orochimaru and Kabuto; which would probably at least be the final end for Orochimaru, for Kabuto I can see him being alive but in prison for his crimes not running a orphanage, possibly doing medical work in there to help people rather than harm them. The other 5 nations and how they will keep the new alliance going. The fate of the tailed beasts, which should be freedom, but I can see them under the control of sasuke for the last fight before that happens. Then the final fight with Naruto and Sasuke, as Naruto's tries to prevent Sasuke's violent revolution which would likely just lead to another global war. With the epilogue being Naruto become Hokage surrounded by his friends and family old and new.  

For a time skip after the war I think a few months would be better rather than a full years as that might imply more of a part 3.


Edited by BlueStarSaber, 16 January 2021 - 04:29 AM.


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Posted 16 January 2021 - 10:10 PM

My guess if there was to be one arc after the war things to be resolved would be:
 
The truth of the Uchiha clan massacre would have to be reveled; because there is no way that can remain covered up especially if Naruto wants to get sasuke pardoned for his crimes, since no one knows why he joined akatsuki first place. Plus that leads into Kohonha looking into it's past failures and what it needs to do to reform or they keep making enemies that want to destroy them, The kohona councilors will need to be removed due to their and Danzo' poor oversite. Concluding any remaining side characters plots and arcs, namely the hyuga and hinata's by having her stop try to chase after Naruto and sort out her clan. Memebers of team 7 getting their closing arcs namely Sakura's character arc gets properly resolved on her feelings for her team; mainly moving on from sasuke and realise Naruto is who she really loves, possibly have her unlock slug sage mode since that was teased in the war arc in terms of surpassing her master. If Kakashi becomes Hokage and if sasuke does not fully return to kohona have Naruto and Sakura continue Team 7 in Team yamato with Sai and Captain Yamato until Naruto and sakura finally become either jounin and be ready to lead their own team or fully getting into their future profession, head medic for Sakura & kage in Naruto's case  
 
Taka getting properly resolved, with them staying by sasuke side not orochimaru's and have karin being a uzumaki brought up to Naruto and how that brides the uchiha vs senju/uzumaki clan divide together. The final fate of orochimaru and Kabuto; which would probably at least be the final end for Orochimaru, for Kabuto I can see him being alive but in prison for his crimes not running a orphanage, possibly doing medical work in there to help people rather than harm them. The other 5 nations and how they will keep the new alliance going. The fate of the tailed beasts, which should be freedom, but I can see them under the control of sasuke for the last fight before that happens. Then the final fight with Naruto and Sasuke, as Naruto's tries to prevent Sasuke's violent revolution which would likely just lead to another global war. With the epilogue being Naruto become Hokage surrounded by his friends and family old and new.  

For a time skip after the war I think a few months would be better rather than a full years as that might imply more of a part 3.


Well said, Blue! In all honesty, all of that is really good! I know one thing I would do also as a change is having Hiashi sacrificing himself for the sake of Neji and Hinata in the war, to come full circle from the abuse he gave them and to be a good father for once, allowing for changes to the Hyuga clan as well that needed to be done so that the past could be buried.

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Posted 16 January 2021 - 10:37 PM

Well said, Blue! In all honesty, all of that is really good! I know one thing I would do also as a change is having Hiashi sacrificing himself for the sake of Neji and Hinata in the war, to come full circle from the abuse he gave them and to be a good father for once, allowing for changes to the Hyuga clan as well that needed to be done so that the past could be buried.

 

Yeah that's probably one change I make and possibly have Might Guy dying from the 8 gates. Also If I had to guess depending on hows it's paced this supposed arc would probably be around 30 to 60 chapters 



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Posted 17 January 2021 - 07:04 AM

The equivalent exchange was romantic because Winry wanted to give him her own life.

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 03:17 PM

The proposal itself was dorky but sweet. lol 


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Posted 18 January 2021 - 06:10 PM

The proposal itself was dorky but sweet. lol 


It fits given how Ed can be so socially awkward XD

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Posted 18 January 2021 - 10:23 PM

Found this tweet of french sales for Naruto https://twitter.com/...3032473600?s=19



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 03:15 AM

Found this tweet of french sales for Naruto https://twitter.com/...3032473600?s=19

In 2020 France bought 1.2 million copies of Naruto volumes (Not Boruto)

 

...They were buying them because they were bored during the lockdown. Also Jujutsu Kaisen is also doing well. This might have help kishi by showing their still a market for Naruto, just depends on how the exec take it.

 

From what I understand France's market is actually the largest international buyer of manga.


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Posted 21 January 2021 - 10:45 AM

Good! In a way more people will know how the original content was told and more people will question the ending :)

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Posted 21 January 2021 - 11:16 AM

Good! In a way more people will know how the original content was told and more people will question the ending :)


The only problem is that we can say for sure that the NH and SS fans will call them salty pairing fans. That they read it wrong and NH was planned from the start.

Because to the pro-Enders facts will never matter to them, they will be happy with their own way of thinking about the ending. Only caring that Hinata is the one that gets the happy ending she needs.

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Posted 21 January 2021 - 11:37 PM

The only problem is that we can say for sure that the NH and SS fans will call them salty pairing fans. That they read it wrong and NH was planned from the start.
Because to the pro-Enders facts will never matter to them, they will be happy with their own way of thinking about the ending. Only caring that Hinata is the one that gets the happy ending she needs.


It's why they also cone after us like they do. They know their "win" is Pyrrhic so they need to attack us to feel better.





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