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#52761 tricksie

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Posted 10 January 2021 - 05:49 AM

They're on my Tumblr pages, I have an old archive of interviews but yeah, Kishi said those things.

 

Problem is I have over 5000 Tumblr pages and with me becoming more active nowadays, it's even harder to search through everything...

 

But he said that, he also said something like Sakura is addicted to Sasuke and so many other weird things...

Kishimoto is just gross in his worship of Sasuke, even destroying Sakura for it. Grooooooooossssss

 

 

I still don't know how SS fans can say the relationship is healthy after that interview 

 

Same here, Blue. I bet it's just their fetish to imagine themselves in Sakura's shoes, like many NH fans are like that with imagining themselves in Naruto's shoes. XP

SS is based off lies and NH is based off a manipulation, guilt, and lies as well.

 

On one hand, we have Sakura-Chan who doesn't know that her heart actually belongs to Naruto, while Sasuke OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to be with her.

 

Then on the next hand, we have Naruto who is actively lying to himself and being with a woman he doesn't even want in Hinata instead of being with the woman of his dreams in Sakura-Chan, while Hinata is just selectively blind to seeing that Naruto doesn't want to be with her either, all because he's "Naruto-Kun."

 

Then poor Karin who is out of the loop is getting screwed over all because they want to force SS with two people(Sakura-Chan and Sasuke) who don't even truly want to be with each other.

SS is so far from healthy it's in a different universe. Sasuke is 'awarded' with someone he doesn't want, and Naruto is 'awarded' to someone who doesn't do anything to deserve him. Neither Sakura nor Naruto are loved or respected. They are completely stripped of their character motivation and given to two characters who were largely absent from the bulk of the story.

 

And Karin, who wanted to be with Sasuke, and whom he appeared to return some screwed up affection for, was left out in the cold.



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Posted 10 January 2021 - 06:06 AM

The movie was literally necessary to have, because they needed to override the fact that Sakura was Naruto's love interest in the manga and why his goal to earn Sakura's affection was obliterated. It's hilariously funny at best how people will justify a minor secondary character getting a whole movie dedicated to her.

 

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And I'm sorry for any person who feels differently, but the same applies to SK with regards to Sasuke's feelings. I'm not out here advocating for SK at all. Sasuke never held any inkling of romantic feelings for Karin in the manga. The thing with SK is that they grew up in similar environments/upbringing (Orichimaru). That their own goals and status within the world were similar. And most notably, that Karin's unique personality complimented Sasuke's harsh/blunt one. And to top it all off, she was revealed to be an Uzumaki, a huge symbolic act. There was absolutely no need for Karin to be an Uzumaki because she isn't the only female with red hair in the series. The entirety of SK in the manga is that if Sasuke were to end up with anyone, it would obviously have been her. The absolute most we would have gotten in the manga is Sasuke warming up to her, that's it. The treatment Karin got from SS fans was beyond horrendous.

YESSSSS!!!!! Hinata needed her own damn movie! That should tell you something! 10+ years of a manga, and it wasn't enough to make it painfully clear that she was the love interest?!? Seriously, I can't believe that hinata fans would but it either. But they did.

 

And every point you make about Karin is completely true. Why make her so similar to Sasuke's personality and background, why give her a parallel 'ending' to Sakura and Naruto, and above all, why make her an Uzumaki?!?!?!?! What was the point of that if it wasn't to complete the circle of their rivalry? If he's with Karin, then now he and Naruto would be family, in a way. The Uzumaki connection of both her and Nagato went absolutely nowhere. After the Pain arc, Naruto's Uzumaki background was competely dropped. Which was bad news for Karin. She was completely abandoned until the very end, then SK was brought back as a decoy, just like NS was. Grrrr.... still makes me mad!



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Posted 10 January 2021 - 06:28 AM

YESSSSS!!!!! Hinata needed her own damn movie! That should tell you something! 10+ years of a manga, and it wasn't enough to make it painfully clear that she was the love interest?!? Seriously, I can't believe that hinata fans would but it either. But they did.

 

And every point you make about Karin is completely true. Why make her so similar to Sasuke's personality and background, why give her a parallel 'ending' to Sakura and Naruto, and above all, why make her an Uzumaki?!?!?!?! What was the point of that if it wasn't to complete the circle of their rivalry? If he's with Karin, then now he and Naruto would be family, in a way. The Uzumaki connection of both her and Nagato went absolutely nowhere. After the Pain arc, Naruto's Uzumaki background was competely dropped. Which was bad news for Karin. She was completely abandoned until the very end, then SK was brought back as a decoy, just like NS was. Grrrr.... still makes me mad!

 

It is infuriating for a Naruto fan like myself. That started out with Sasuke and somehow resurrected Orochimaru found those stupid Uzumaki masks! And the nerve of giving Hinata, who hadn't done s*** in the series, a movie for herself like she was a major character?!!! Then, poor Karin was left out, badly (not only her, but also Suigetsu and Jugo, hell even Killer Bee's presence was reduced) with hints of Sarada's background that was totally ignored and retcon badly for the sake of SasuSaku "making" sense towards the audience.

 

Honestly, the franchise is just one. HUGE. MESS!


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Posted 10 January 2021 - 08:59 AM

YESSSSS!!!!! Hinata needed her own damn movie! That should tell you something! 10+ years of a manga, and it wasn't enough to make it painfully clear that she was the love interest?!? Seriously, I can't believe that hinata fans would but it either. But they did.
 
And every point you make about Karin is completely true. Why make her so similar to Sasuke's personality and background, why give her a parallel 'ending' to Sakura and Naruto, and above all, why make her an Uzumaki?!?!?!?! What was the point of that if it wasn't to complete the circle of their rivalry? If he's with Karin, then now he and Naruto would be family, in a way. The Uzumaki connection of both her and Nagato went absolutely nowhere. After the Pain arc, Naruto's Uzumaki background was competely dropped. Which was bad news for Karin. She was completely abandoned until the very end, then SK was brought back as a decoy, just like NS was. Grrrr.... still makes me mad!

 
Which again, She COULD HAVE HAD development with Naruto in the manga itself and the anime too. INSTEAD OF SAKURA. It's not that hard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

It is infuriating for a Naruto fan like myself. That started out with Sasuke and somehow resurrected Orochimaru found those stupid Uzumaki masks! And the nerve of giving Hinata, who hadn't done s*** in the series, a movie for herself like she was a major character?!!! Then, poor Karin was left out, badly (not only her, but also Suigetsu and Jugo, hell even Killer Bee's presence was reduced) with hints of Sarada's background that was totally ignored and retcon badly for the sake of SasuSaku "making" sense towards the audience.

 

Honestly, the franchise is just one. HUGE. MESS!

 

Oh the fact that she was made a major character last second with a movie dedicated to her is not the insulting part. It was the fact that her dedicated movie justifies how she and Naruto tied the knot and did the "reproduction tango" by RETCONNING many plot elements form the story itself. It retconned WHEN Naruto learned the Kage bunshin/Shadow clone technique, contradicting chapter/episode 1 of the ENTIRE DAMN SERIES. It retconned SAKURA'S Backstory of being bullied so as to better suit Hinata's "meet cute" scenario with Naruto. AND DESPITE Kishimoto preaching about how the series' "main theme is about bonds", Naruto's attitude was "Everyone can go to hell", because Hinata rejected him."(hash tag: wouldn't submit her "P" for him to put HIS "P" into) Not to mention, Sakura called Naruto's affection for her A RIVALRY WITH SASUKE, and it was NOT REAL LOVE FOR HER, she says, despite the rivalry she and Ino had over Sasuke. And the BIGGEST HYPOCRISY OF ALL, is that Naruto accepts that as the truth. The writer(s)for the movie accept(s) that as the truth. THE NARUTO X HINATA HIEROPHANTS ACCEPT THAT AS THE TRUTH. But when Naruto goes to fight Toneri not because he wants to save his world and loved ones, but because he's winning back Hinata's affections from a love rival, EVERYTHING IS HUNKY DORY, BECAUSE THAT IS REAL ROMANCE!!!!!!!!!  :cuss:  :rawr:  :yucky:  


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Posted 10 January 2021 - 09:05 AM

All things considered, I'm glad that such move resulted in:

- Less than 1 million manga sales in 2019 (to be precise, it sold 600.845 copies for all volumes in the whole year of 2019). As a comparison, the franchise sold ~250million accumulative total between 2000-2015

- Kishimoto's new manga got axed within 5 volumes. He was planning for at least 10.

- No movies since 2015 while every other franchise enjoys growth as anime market is expanding twice the size compared to a decade ago (https://www.animenew...ion-yen/.166579)

- The latest major game they produce (Shinobi Striker) sold 10k in the first week. Storm 3 sold 9 times more in the same timespan.

And many more facts that indicated the move to pivot the story at last minute has killed the franchise financially.

One can't justify an F mark to be seen as good. It is what it is. The fact that such move backfired will ensure that other series should not follow suit.

One of the greatest fortunes of Naruto was that anime was in a drought during its height. Especially outside of Japan. That's no longer the case due to streaming becoming mainstream and new anime coming out. Now, Boruto must face what his father never did competition

 

Alright, so now here's a episode of Sakura doesn't love Naruto.

Apparently now, Sakura-Chan loves Naruto, but only in a motherly way. They will find everything in and out of the book to deny that Naruto and Sakura-Chan loves each romantically. Her love for Naruto is motherly now?

Ah that's their new excuse...Wait this was in the anime? Scene. Scene.

 

First sisterly, NOW motherly??? MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS, YOU PSYCHOS!! They don't even really stand for their pairing if you ask me.... they just wanna attack those against them to make them look like the bad guys.

They need to keep changing it because the fact that Sakura and Naruto relationship was too strong to be called anything else than in love and slowly but surely falling in love.

 

They were too close for friends. Too attracted to each other to be sibling. Now they are going with mother since Sakura did have to be his handler. I think I type something about this very recently...here: "Didn't Sasuke immediately chew her out for that? Then she sat on that bench and went, "wow, I'm the ass, I should try being nicer to Naruto." And then any negative comment about him growing up never happened again and she pretty much became his handler/parental figure/mother trying to help him learn manner and punish him when he was being rude."

 

It still fails, but is at least more accurate then the other two; since Naruto also thought his 24 year old mother who he met for the first time was a total babe.

 

I'm curious do you think somewhere down the line Naruto might get a reboot? I personality think its better if this franchise is completely buried and forgotten. It should never get a reboot especially if a mediocre author like Kishimoto is involved. 

Companies tend to drop unprofitable projects instead of fix them. it doesn't help that their isn't a precedent case to justify them trying.

 

Look at Cyberpunk 2077. It pretty clear by now most agree that they screw up, the only way to fix it to do what No Man Sky did, and from what I understand that even being used within the company to justify them trying to fix it instead of abandons it.

 

Their is no manga version of No Man Sky and their is nothing that comes close that also has the awkward existence of Boruto.

 

Honestly "fixing" the ending wouldn't be that hard. Go from the ending and change it to NS since nH was a last minute change as far as the story goes.

 

I don't think they would, it means start to compete against MHA and other and no one assure them Naruto's gonna defeat them. I don't think they would remade the ending neither, the damage is done and they put so much effort on Boruto and it would be throw away a lot of money. My hypothesis is this; Pierrot doesn't has any other major Manga to adapt so they keep on air Boruto trying to make some profit from the over sea market.

They wouldn't care about it competing against MHA If they thought that redoing the story and making it NS would be both cheap and profitable they would do so. More money for them since it would already have a built in audience. 

 

Your hypothesis on Peirrot is likely correct. They have currently Kingdoms which they been working on for years before Naruto ended, Same for Mr. Osumatsu, Black Clover which they got hoping it would be the next Naruto to replace the flopping Boruto, Pazudora a a mobile game adaptation, and Akudama drive. 


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Posted 10 January 2021 - 10:58 AM

One of the greatest fortunes of Naruto was that anime was in a drought during its height. Especially outside of Japan. That's no longer the case due to streaming becoming mainstream and new anime coming out. Now, Boruto must face what his father never did competition

 

Ah that's their new excuse...Wait this was in the anime? Scene. Scene.

 

They need to keep changing it because the fact that Sakura and Naruto relationship was too strong to be called anything else than in love and slowly but surely falling in love.

 

They were too close for friends. Too attracted to each other to be sibling. Now they are going with mother since Sakura did have to be his handler. I think I type something about this very recently...here: "Didn't Sasuke immediately chew her out for that? Then she sat on that bench and went, "wow, I'm the ass, I should try being nicer to Naruto." And then any negative comment about him growing up never happened again and she pretty much became his handler/parental figure/mother trying to help him learn manner and punish him when he was being rude."

 

It still fails, but is at least more accurate then the other two; since Naruto also thought his 24 year old mother who he met for the first time was a total babe.

 

Companies tend to drop unprofitable projects instead of fix them. it doesn't help that their isn't a precedent case to justify them trying.

 

Look at Cyberpunk 2077. It pretty clear by now most agree that they screw up, the only way to fix it to do what No Man Sky did, and from what I understand that even being used within the company to justify them trying to fix it instead of abandons it.

 

Their is no manga version of No Man Sky and their is nothing that comes close that also has the awkward existence of Boruto.

 

Honestly "fixing" the ending wouldn't be that hard. Go from the ending and change it to NS since nH was a last minute change as far as the story goes.

 

They wouldn't care about it competing against MHA If they thought that redoing the story and making it NS would be both cheap and profitable they would do so. More money for them since it would already have a built in audience. 

 

Your hypothesis on Peirrot is likely correct. They have currently Kingdoms which they been working on for years before Naruto ended, Same for Mr. Osumatsu, Black Clover which they got hoping it would be the next Naruto to replace the flopping Boruto, Pazudora a a mobile game adaptation, and Akudama drive. 

 

nah. I've been seeing people claim that the Kushina parallel means nothing and her words "find a woman like me" doesn't correlate in the girlfriend sense, only in the find a woman who could care for you in a motherly way like I do(like really? Are we just pulling stuff out of our asses now in an attempt to deny the clear romantic meaning behind it now?)  and if anything, it only parallels to Sakura-Chan loving Naruto like a mother, rather than a girlfriend. Which makes ZERO sense to me. But, we all know that the fact that Sakura-Chan has feelings for Naruto makes them question their own existence. How does Kushina telling him to find a girl like her, correlate to finding one that will treat him like a mother does a son,when Kushina was clearly talking about Naruto finding one in the romantic sense? How does the Kushina parallel correlate to motherly love, when Minato asked if she was Naruto's girlfriend, then proceeded to give them his blessings right after comparing her to Kushina? I don't get how someone could just look at the Manga and just flat out DENY what's right in front of you in black and white.

 

I don't get it. To them, the crushes(Hinata--->Naruto and Sakura-Chan--->Sasuke) is somehow true love. But the ones who actually genuinely loves each other (Naruto---> <----Sakura-Chan and Karin--->Sasuke) is somehow the crushes or isn't real love. Complete horsekitten.
 


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Posted 10 January 2021 - 12:48 PM

You are taking from what you observe in the story to draw your conclusion. nH fans draw their conclusion and force the manga to fit it.

 

"Naruto and Sakura never had any sort of feelings for each other what so ever Naruto only truly loved Hinata." This does not work in anyway in the manga. Naruto introduces Sakura by saying he likes her; throughout part one keeping going on about how he find her attractive and wants to date her. He tones it down a bit in part two because as he said to Sai he doesn't feel worthy of her till he kept his promise. This doesn't change till the very end if you look at the manga without any bias.

 

At best in the manga. Hinata had her last big moment with Naruto at chapter 615 where people declared her the heroine (again) and Naruto must get together with her while they stand over Neji's corpse (the person she was originally suppose to get together with) because she inspired him during his darkest moment. 16 chapter later, Minato appears on the battlefield asks Sakura if she is Naruto's girlfriend. Naruto says "yes, more or less."  Which means Sakura is still the loves interest with father's approval (along with mother's spiritual approval since she wanted Naruto end up with some like her and her husband is saying Sakura is that). It is not until Minato disappears near the end of the manga that Naruto says, "well Sakura is not really my girlfriend." Which is the closest thing I can find that can be considered an end of NS, and even then it could just have been, "Sakura isn't my girlfriend at the moment but I want her to be and I will do my best to make it happen." Then in 699, SS and nH happen. Sasuke realizing he was an ass after losing an arm decides to get together with Sakura, Naruto seeing this backs down, and then over Neji's grave Naruto and Hinata bond. That's how it happened according to the manga. A one chapter romance; at best.

 

But this doesn't fit with their fantasy that there was this great and glorious romance building up the entire time between Naruto and Hinata. So, they have to make excuses and dismiss Naruto's feeling for Sakura. While also trying to claim when Naruto fell in love with Hinata and out of love with Sakura if they ever even consider letting him have feeling for her.


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Posted 10 January 2021 - 07:41 PM

Not to mention, the moments between Naruto and Hinata and Sasuke and Sakura throughout the whole manga has only ever been about the females in either couples and THE FEMALES' feelings. It was not reciprocal, it was not mutual, and you don't get romantic undertones from both sides. Naruto's moments with Sakura at least have that, because again, even pairing neutral fans see it. It is not because they actually ship Naruto with Sakura, but they SEE the literary structure there that is in other manga, anime and stories in general. I for one, question Hinata's compatibility with Naruto because the story gave me nothing at all, or barely anything to work with, essentially. Naruto doesn't go out of his way to see Hinata for the millionth time when there are not forced to interact with each other on missions, so that shows she is not a priority on his list of important people that  HE WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH regularly. Sasuke and Sakura is self explanatory. Sasuke shows neutral dismissal of Sakura's feelings at best, and toxicity and violence at worst. And it doesn't matter if he show cased those tendencies to everyone in general (that is an argument I have seen about our bias against Sasuke and Sakura being a couple, that we are blowing his treatment of Sakura out of proportion because he was like that to EVERYONE) the point is nothing is giving him any hints on his end, whereas you would see a hidden soft spot for a girl with a character like Sasuke in other stories, to the point he would not hurt a hair on her head even at his worst, OR, he shows genuine remorse for how he treated her to which he showed no more remorse for his treatment of her than he did anyone else.

 

These factors are the main reason why anyone would even call NH and SS trashy, because there is no development that gives the audience any convincing on their validity as couples, and any attempts on it was only AFTER THE FACT long after the the couple's relationships and prominence in the story became minimal at best (*pointing at Boruto*) 


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Posted 10 January 2021 - 07:56 PM

Sais words of Naruto always smiling around Sakura-Chan should speak volumes to anyone about where Narutos heart lies. He literally said, he ALWAYS smiles around her.

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Posted 11 January 2021 - 01:12 AM

Not to mention, the moments between Naruto and Hinata and Sasuke and Sakura throughout the whole manga has only ever been about the females in either couples and THE FEMALES' feelings. It was not reciprocal, it was not mutual, and you don't get romantic undertones from both sides. Naruto's moments with Sakura at least have that, because again, even pairing neutral fans see it. It is not because they actually ship Naruto with Sakura, but they SEE the literary structure there that is in other manga, anime and stories in general. I for one, question Hinata's compatibility with Naruto because the story gave me nothing at all, or barely anything to work with, essentially. Naruto doesn't go out of his way to see Hinata for the millionth time when there are not forced to interact with each other on missions, so that shows she is not a priority on his list of important people that  HE WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH regularly. Sasuke and Sakura is self explanatory. Sasuke shows neutral dismissal of Sakura's feelings at best, and toxicity and violence at worst. And it doesn't matter if he show cased those tendencies to everyone in general (that is an argument I have seen about our bias against Sasuke and Sakura being a couple, that we are blowing his treatment of Sakura out of proportion because he was like that to EVERYONE) the point is nothing is giving him any hints on his end, whereas you would see a hidden soft spot for a girl with a character like Sasuke in other stories, to the point he would not hurt a hair on her head even at his worst, OR, he shows genuine remorse for how he treated her to which he showed no more remorse for his treatment of her than he did anyone else.
 
These factors are the main reason why anyone would even call NH and SS trashy, because there is no development that gives the audience any convincing on their validity as couples, and any attempts on it was only AFTER THE FACT long after the the couple's relationships and prominence in the story became minimal at best (*pointing at Boruto*)


And those scenes also don't usually work well with how it is with SS usually given how Sasuke usually made Sakura feel bad or when he did make her feel good, it was for his own sake.

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Posted 11 January 2021 - 06:24 PM

Shameless promotion but lol, Sakura eas always meant to end up with Naruto.
The very symbolism of the sun and flower is right there in people's faces. Especially Pein Arc/Konan vs Tobi part.
The you are darkness where flowers wither and die thing IS SO TELLING.
And it's seen through the dynamics between her and Sasuke vs her and Naruto.
Who is the darkness and who is the light?

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Ps that is why I rarely write that less around here anyway. Cuz these articles eat my life, lol.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 07:31 PM

so now apparently, if we believe the confession is real and that Sakura-Chan loves Naruto, then that would be going against the words of Sai, Kakashi, Ino, Naruto and even Sakura-Chan herself who all claims that she looovvesss Sasuke.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 09:16 PM

so now apparently, if we believe the confession is real and that Sakura-Chan loves Naruto, then that would be going against the words of Sai, Kakashi, Ino, Naruto and even Sakura-Chan herself who all claims that she looovvesss Sasuke.

 

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 01:50 AM

So now apparently, if we believe the confession is real and that Sakura-Chan loves Naruto, then that would be going against the words of Sai, Kakashi, Ino, Naruto and even Sakura-Chan herself who all claims that she looovvesss Sasuke.

Who said it this time?

 

Anyways, why can one not be in love with two different people at the same time? Why can you not "love" multiple people but don't have sexual interest towards them? What is these people obsession with pure absolute love? That part of the reason the last is so bad is they couldn't even stand the thought that Naruto may have once had feeling towards someone else other then Hinata, be that: his parents, his friends, his mentors, or former crushes.

 

Sai exist to push NS he question Sakura about her feeling towards Sasuke but he ultimately wanted her to get with Naruto.

 

Ino, and Kakashi know about Sakura lingering feeling towards Sasuke that needed to be resolved. It is not like it was a secret that Sakura had unresolved feeling towards Sasuke.

 

Naruto questioned Sakura confession for one because he found it confusing that she would just seemingly randomly out of nowhere abandons her feeling towards Sasuke and fall in love with him, and the fact he was obsessed with restoring team 7 to what it was before the breakup; face with the possibility of that not happening cause him to hyperventilate.


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Posted 14 January 2021 - 12:05 PM



so now apparently, if we believe the confession is real and that Sakura-Chan loves Naruto, then that would be going against the words of Sai, Kakashi, Ino, Naruto and even Sakura-Chan herself who all claims that she looovvesss Sasuke.

 

Okay, fine. Let us Say that Sakura DOES INDEED LOVE SASUKE. HOW COME THEN, that every moment SINCE THE BEGINNING of the manga/ anime give SUCH NEGATIVE VIBES between Sakura and Sasuke, hmm? Why is it that Sakura is SOOOO IN LOVE with Sasuke but almost every moment between them is him either rejecting Sakura's advances, belittling her and her feelings, or thinking about Sasuke makes Sakura break down in tears of distress? Being IN LOVE is suppose to be HAPPY, ISN'T IT??? Show me one genuine happy moment between Sakura ad Sasuke that is NOT the old team 7 photo, or flashbacks of her "fangirl smile" when in Sasuke's presence. SHOW.ME. One moment that is unambiguously romantic, and actually shows Sasuke has a soft spot for Sakura AND ONLY SAKURA, because I don't see it. Chapter 699 doesn't count, because we are talking about how Sakura's confession to Naruto is falsifying her love for Sasuke.

 

AND THIS LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION. Why is it that Naruto can AND MUST MOVE ON FROM SAKURA because she causes him pain, BUT SAKURA CAN'T move on from Sasuke even though he causes her pain? Can you tell me that? AND BEFORE YOU SAY THAT SASUKE DID NOT REALIZE HER FEELINGS FOR SAKURA AT THE MOMENT, then that is a 2 way so tell me why is it that Sakura CAN'T BE IN LOVE WITH NARUTO BUT NOT REALIZE IT in part 1 and early part 2? I laugh at this double standard, because Sasuke is just being a tsundere to Sakura when he is verbally abusing her, but Sakura is a horrible woman if she insults, lectures and and hits Naruto and Naruto should leave her @$$ A.S.A.P. 


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Posted 14 January 2021 - 05:00 PM

if according to Kakashi, love doesn't need a reason, why did she give multiple reasons as to why she loves Naruto?


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Posted 14 January 2021 - 07:00 PM

An interesting aside for the Sasuke Karin dynamic

 

When i wrote the story When I ruled the world  the one line that stood out to me was the chorus

 

Be my mirror my sword and shield

 

when i hear that in my head i see the image of all three teams as theres  3 runs of the chorus

 

Old team 7

Mirror: Kakashi

Sword: Naruto

Shield: Sakura

 

New team 7

Mirror: Sai

Sword: Naruto

Shield: Sakura

 

Taka

Mirror: Karin

Sword: Suigetsu

Shield: Jugo

 

the evolution of Sasuke in that regard as he surrounds himself with a team  or is connected to a team  in each element as he goes further down his path is telling

 

especially in how each team is built each team represents that notion of a mirror a a sword and a shield  for him


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Posted 15 January 2021 - 02:31 AM

if according to Kakashi, love doesnt need a reason, why did she give multiple reasons as to why she loves Naruto?

 

Love without reason, Let's be honest is, your hormones and reproductive parts acting up. I've stated before love based only on love at first sight and physical attraction is shortsighted and a complete disaster in actual long term relationships. NH and SS COMPLETELY embody that. :superior:


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Posted 15 January 2021 - 03:46 AM

...What's the meaning of sword mirror & shield?



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:04 PM

Mirror = the person most like him in one fashion or another. Each one Kakashi Sai and karin shares elements and is mentioned in one form or another as being ""like"" sasuke to some degree

 

Sword = the person who most often would fight for and with and sometimes against Sasuke standing up to him when needed or at his side in the front lines

 

Shield = the person who most often defends him in some fashion putting themselves in harms way or defending him from criticism 


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