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#241 Pix

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 12:17 AM

We should use pg 13 joke.

Lol as long as it's not extreme offensive. But yeah Sasuke and his apologizers suck. And that's not a joke.  :hm:


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Posted 01 June 2015 - 12:23 AM

Lol as long as it's not extreme offensive. But yeah Sasuke and his apologizers suck. And that's not a joke.  :hm:

Tbh I don't have any problem with that sasuke joke earlier.

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 01:13 AM

Tbh I don't have any problem with that sasuke joke earlier.

I'm glad that you're honest but that doesn't change the fact that some people do. Just because one person isn't offended doesn't mean it won't offend others. Jokes like that derail from the original topic anyways so it's best to just not mention them. We should be focusing on how crappy Naruto Gaiden is, not how Sasuke supposedly resembles a black guy getting killed. 


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Posted 01 June 2015 - 03:51 AM

Yeah no you didn't get the point at all. 

 

Police brutality should never be a joke. Ever. Especially when you have senseless killings happening almost everyday. Sasuke was responsible for the actions he committed. People in America are getting killed for nothing and people are making excuses to get away with it. Sasuke is fiction. This is not. There's no need to make that idiotic comparison anyway. 

 

Like literally don't make jokes about it. If rape jokes make people uncomfortable then this should too. 

 

Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but I don't give a damn about whateve real world point your trying to make. With regards to the Naruto story the point of that art work is perfectly on point.

 

Art is made strictly to bring out emotions in the viewer, both good and bad. And from Piss Christ on down how much it may offend you doesn't mean a damn thing to be honest. The point of free speech is that people can say and do things that others do no like or approve of. If you can't stand it, move on. The art piece is a great criticism of the stroy. Just becuase people don't like it and are "offended" it doesn't give them the right to force other people to shut up. That kind of censorship should never be the standard.


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 01:09 AM

 

Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but I don't give a damn about whateve real world point your trying to make. With regards to the Naruto story the point of that art work is perfectly on point.

 

Art is made strictly to bring out emotions in the viewer, both good and bad. And from Piss Christ on down how much it may offend you doesn't mean a damn thing to be honest. The point of free speech is that people can say and do things that others do no like or approve of. If you can't stand it, move on. The art piece is a great criticism of the stroy. Just becuase people don't like it and are "offended" it doesn't give them the right to force other people to shut up. That kind of censorship should never be the standard.

I mean, you are using the "free speech" bs that so many people love to defend themselves with. Just as you have every right to say it I have every right to call you out on it. Real world or not it's dumb and insensitive to try and make Naruto, specifically Sasuke, about something that's still hyped and that actually impacts lives, you know, rather than a fictional show. 

 

You have all these posts about people saying how they escaped from abusive relationships and whatnot and how SS reminds them of that. Everybody wants to feel sympathetic for that. Kitten like this should be treated just as such.  

 

And you just said art brings out emotions- furthering my point that that random cartoon or whatever brings out emotions and there's not point in having something so offensive just to prove something about a -fictional- character. You could have easily proved the point without the useless crap. That's all I'm saying. And like you said, I have every right to say that.


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 01:42 PM

For something so obvious, so planned, and so "amazingly written," this ending has caused more problems between our fandoms than ever before. Everyday fans are threatening more and more to kill each other and then act like they are the innocent ones. One side keeps saying to accept and move while they rub it in the face of everyone else how their perfect little fantasies have to life while the other side tries to explain why it is bad beyond stupid pairings, but they get pushed so far that they end up just wanting to kill all the pro-enders for their blatant and obvious bias that has become more like a cancer than a viewpoint.

Everyday it is one more fan ranting and raving....and I am apart of that. I get people saying how they want me to understand them and listen to them, but never do they want to listen to me or take one moment to see it the other way. This...weird fights over what is fact and how each side never wants to accept anything beyond what they want to accept.

I read this one a youtube about politics, but it applies here as well
 

"Harsh reality lesson: if you’re going up against someone–ANYONE–who truly believes something, all the facts in the world won’t change their mind. And why should they? If Abraham Lincoln were presented with two thousand pages of facts proving blacks didn’t deserve the same rights as whites, should he have listened to THOSE? The thing that keeps getting lost here is that facts in and of themselves don’t prove anything until you reach a conclusion with them, and the minute you reach a conclusion with them, you’ve already dumped a generous supply of your own bias into the mix. It’s LITERALLY impossible to prove things with facts without DEVALUING the facts.

We are a new generation where people choose their own facts."

 

Sometimes it all feels like a prison. You want to be free to feel what you love, but people wont let you. Now, all the goods things that do happen are being destroyed by people who have no clue or they defeat the purpose of something.

I was enjoying the New 52 DC series until people said they hated Superman and Wonder Wonder and tired of Superman being so overpowered all the time and how Batman was the "greatest hero ever" because he struggles. "Superman never has to struggle." No, Superman struggles, but it is a different kind of struggle. They don't care though. They want this, they want that....a bunch of spoiled brats who think that they deserve everything because of their loyalty, but never once think of the happiness of others.

These same people have turned Superman into this powerless colossal wanker that hits his best friends and treats his girlfriend like crap because "he has to struggle like Batman."

I realized that this disease of otaku and utter selfish fandoms is spreading and it is getting worse. What other series is going to be destroyed because of it? What next hero is gonna face issues that defeats their purpose all for the sake of these loudmouth fan wannabes who only want to see their own angsty life played out on panels or on the screen? Who can't seem to appreciate love for what it is and instead try to project themselves into thinking "Hey that's me and I want me to succeed." I swear the argument of "Think of how many girls who are like Hinata never get the boy they want. This gives them hope." I am like "Well, what about all the goofballs guys who fall in love with the girl who is beautiful and amazing and she loves someone else? Do the guys not matter?"

People kitten about sexism and racism, but never do some realize that they themselves are racist and sexist too. They are just at a different angle.

Everyone just plays the pity game over and over and want to blame others for their misfortune instead of just trying to make it better.

I feel like I am in a prison now and all anyone wants to do is stab me or shank me because I don't join that certain gang and want to follow their rules. I am not happy with anything anymore now because it all keep being ruined by these people who are selfishly trying to get things done their instead of appreciating what is there and while it can be said in turn for my case, I feel it more applies to them because I just wanted the characters to be happy. They don't look happy and the story is just not satisfactory.

People throw "facts" in my face, but they never believe the facts that are shown to them or they call it biased. There are no facts anymore. Just people trying to prove their point with biased views and selfish desires.

Heroes used to give hope and strength....now they just give heartaches and disappointment because apparently this is better and more realistic.
 


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 02:00 PM

For something so obvious, so planned, and so "amazingly written," this ending has caused more problems between our fandoms than ever before. Everyday fans are threatening more and more to kill each other and then act like they are the innocent ones. One side keeps saying to accept and move while they rub it in the face of everyone else how their perfect little fantasies have to life while the other side tries to explain why it is bad beyond stupid pairings, but they get pushed so far that they end up just wanting to kill all the pro-enders for their blatant and obvious bias that has become more like a cancer than a viewpoint.
Everyday it is one more fan ranting and raving....and I am apart of that. I get people saying how they want me to understand them and listen to them, but never do they want to listen to me or take one moment to see it the other way. This...weird fights over what is fact and how each side never wants to accept anything beyond what they want to accept.
I read this one a youtube about politics, but it applies here as well
 

Sometimes it all feels like a prison. You want to be free to feel what you love, but people wont let you. Now, all the goods things that do happen are being destroyed by people who have clue or they defeat the purpose of something.
I was enjoying the New 52 DC series until people said they hated Superman and Wonder Wonder and tired of Superman being so overpowered all the time and how Batman was the "greatest hero ever" because he struggles. "Superman never has to struggle." No, Superman struggles, but it is a different kind of struggle. They don't care though. They want this, they want that....a bunch of spoiled brats who think that they deserve everything because of their loyalty, but never once think of the happiness of others.
These same people have turned Superman into this powerless colossal wanker that hits his best friends and treats his girlfriend like crap because "he has to struggle like Batman."
I realized that this disease of otaku and utter selfish fandoms is spreading and it is getting worse. What other series is going to be destroyed because of it? What next hero is gonna face issues that defeats their purpose all for the sake of these loudmouth fan wannabes who only want to see their own angsty life played out on panels or on the screen? Who can't seem to appreciate love for what it is and instead try to project themselves into thinking "Hey that's me and I want me to succeed." I swear the argument of "Think of how many girls who are like Hinata never get the boy they want. This gives them hope." I am like "Well, what about all the goofballs guys who fall in love with the girl who is beautiful and amazing and she loves someone else? Do the guys not matter?"
People kitten about sexism and racism, but never do some realize that they themselves are racist and sexist too. They are just at a different angle.
Everyone just plays the pity game over and over and want to blame others for their misfortune instead of just trying to make it better.
I feel like I am in a prison now and all anyone wants to do is stab me or shank me because I don't join that certain gang and want to follow their rules. I am not happy with anything anymore now because it all keep being ruined by these people who are selfishly trying to get things done their instead of appreciating what is there and while it can be said in turn for my case, I feel it more applies to them because I just wanted the characters to be happy. They don't look happy and the story is just not satisfactory.
People throw "facts" in my face, but they never believe the facts that are shown to them or they call it biased. There are no facts anymore. Just people trying to prove their point with biased views and selfish desires.
Heroes used to give hope and strength....now they just give heartaches and disappointment because apparently this is better and more realistic.

You are right and I have been saying his all along. We live in a generation where we don't care what happens to other people and just care for themselves. Like you said this is a selfish generation. They will never be satisfied because they will continue to want more and more. My parents grew up to where they didn't need to many stuff and enjoyed what was out there. Also some of the best stories ever told where stuff back in the day because they didn't have people to pressure them. Kishi and Naruto will be just the first step unfortunately if things don't change and many more stories might suffer the same fate.

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Posted 03 June 2015 - 08:25 PM

So many people getting offended over a comic..  I think the comparison was pretty on point.

 

One of the biggest problems in the world today is people getting steamed up over nothing.  Naruto has some pretty dark themes as well and yet mention a real world issue and suddenly everyone's screaming 'triggered'!



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 05:16 PM

So many people getting offended over a comic..  I think the comparison was pretty on point.
 
One of the biggest problems in the world today is people getting steamed up over nothing.  Naruto has some pretty dark themes as well and yet mention a real world issue and suddenly everyone's screaming 'triggered'!


Well yeah, real-world issues ARE real-world issues and Naruto is just fiction. People SHOULD get steamed up about the bad things that go on in reality and not a stupid manga. Some of these Naruto fanatics treat it like a religion and literally stalk people if you insult Hinata-- a fictional character-- or dislike their favorite fictional couple. Wish these morons would actually put their zeal and passion into things that actually matter. Like, anime is fun but it shouldn't take over a person's damn life.

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 09:36 PM

Well yeah, real-world issues ARE real-world issues and Naruto is just fiction. People SHOULD get steamed up about the bad things that go on in reality and not a stupid manga. Some of these Naruto fanatics treat it like a religion and literally stalk people if you insult Hinata-- a fictional character-- or dislike their favorite fictional couple. Wish these morons would actually put their zeal and passion into things that actually matter. Like, anime is fun but it shouldn't take over a person's damn life.

Yeah like people are straight up acting like this stuff isn't real. That we're getting "steamed up for nothing".

 

You all might as well just make another comic of a person killing every black, jew, and muslim and comparing that to the Uchiha massacre. Let's see all of you get a kick out of that. 

 

I feel like a lot of people just have this bland sense of the world, and that apparently everybody is born equally like the bs they try to feed you in elementary school. It takes 5 seconds of looking at a Let's Save Africa! commercial to tell you that's not true. People bring up sexism and racism without even understanding a LICK of what it actually means. All I can say is uh....go to college. If not, the internet. But don't speak on things you don't understand. 


Edited by Pix, 11 June 2015 - 09:43 PM.

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