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It basically went from "Sasuke Uchiha" specifically to being all about the "Uchiha Clan" in general and Sasuke just got lost while all mixed in together with it, So basically everything mentioned about the Uchiha Clan in general could then most likely just be slapped on Sasuke because, obviously, he's born from the Uchiha Clan and so you don't have to continue to think up things pertaining specifically to him.

The whole point of his character early on was teeter-tottering between continuing his pursuit of fast vengeance or partially letting it go and seeing what he had right in front of him, be patient, get stronger for new purpose, and if he does come across Itachi, fight him and maybe kill him. Of course, he ultimately chose his quick and easy path of revenge, but once that goal was no longer in the picture (by Itachi's own hand really, not Sasuke's) and all that time was spent solely focused on that vengeance trip, then there was literally nothing else for Sasuke to do - no point to his character anymore really - and so they simply just kept throwing in revenge plot after revenge plot with Sasuke because they never bothered thinking of anything else for him, much less how to re-integrate him into what was SUPPOSED to be the main plot around Naruto himself.

And that is in due part of a vicious and illogical paradox of Kishi wanting Naruto and Sasuke as rivals so fueled by their desire to one up the other that it escalates into a bitter conflict, yet INSISTS on having a "flowery, gum-drops and rainbows fantasy" that the two are BEST FRIENDS that could never admit this secret exclusive bond to anyone, not even to each other and that was forced to be the core aspect of the series. The most IDIOTIC part is that you can't have it both ways because it is both self contradictory and stupid, but Kishi INSISTED it was like that and was talking out of his @$$ a lot of the time regarding his intentions of what the series is about

*Sighs* Well, just walked out of an exasperating conversation where people(who didn't do their research about the debacle and are content in their ignorance) are still convinced that NaruSaku fans started that ridiculous petition after the series' ending and that we sent death threats to Kishimoto.   

AND? What is their point on that? That is just a generalization, because by that logic NH has sent death threats a million times over if Kishi DIDN'T MAKE NH canon during the 700 Chapter run of Naruto. By generalization, I mean that they apply one thing to a group as a whole. So just because A NS fan sent a death threat to Kishi, does that mean that the entire NS fandom as a whole sent that threat? That is A NH fan or A NS being a little "kitten" which is not even indicative  as a whole of what a fandom is like. Not all NH fans are fanatical Hinatatheists and admittedly, there are NS fans out there that pair up Naruto and Sakura for shallow reasons like "Hinata is ugly" etc. but that is not reflective of an entire group. *side note* That is exactly what Racism is, taking an individual aspect and think a whole group is applicable to that aspect.

And why do they bring up any NS petition? because I don't see that changing anything since NH and SS became canon. Besides, I'd like to know what they would say if we were to bring up the fact that NH and SS did not happen because "that was the plan", it was made last minute because Kishi was constantly told by many of his editors and the faculty of SP that was making the Naruto and Boruto anime in general that Naruto must "love and marry Hinata" akin to a madness mantra?

Actually this actually brings up the point I am most infuriated by; YouTube videos made by sawyer7mage, Forneverworld etc. are treated as "fact" as to what the the international fandom of Naruto wants and was used as "evidence" by socially inept wacko executives of Naruto's  franchise that jack off to Hinata Hyuga's porn to convince Kishi that NH must happen.     DISGUSTING     

Anyway, forget about these morons my friend

Oh I found this video on youtube. Now I know to take a lot of youtube videos with a grain of salt, but I feel that this video is just STRAIGHT UP calling B*!! S#&@ on NaruHina and SasuSaku to an extent  Anyway enjoy and you will probably feel better after watching this lol. I know I did

What i find appalling is how unoriginal the fight scenes are. All kawaki and boruto have to do is to hold out their hands and fire/absorb whatever bs powers those tattoos grant them. Thats some lazy ass writing.

Remember how amazing and tense the fight between gaara and lee was? Or the fight between pein and naruto? Even part 1 naruto vs sasuke! They all had clever fight scenes. If ikemoto and his pals are trying to make boruto and kawaki more powerful then their predecessors then theyre failing miserably. There was no emotion or heart in this fight. It didnt even feel like it was a life and death situation because you know plot armors got their back. S-rank my ass, konohamaru.

that is just one of the ways the series is just "ripping off" of its predecessor and is being completely reliant on coolness factor instead of being an imaginative and thoughtful story. Naruto WAS a thoguhtful and imaginative story, it was only the execution for some of the story elements that was lacking, then well into the war arc the writing just got lazy. THIS ABOMINATION on the other hand has none of the heart of Naruto that first captivated its readers 

Exactly, A lot of her haters only see what they WANT TO SEE at a superficial level, and don't bother to think at how characters actually develop

Aggretsuko - Haida x Retsuko.  I just discovered this anime and watched on a whim, but boy, am I glad I did.  Despite it's seemingly cutesy appearance, it's a series that's tonally mature and well-written in how it portrays the characters, their relationships and life. It's a remarkably relatable anime. What really got to me is the latter half of the first season where we seem a love triangle form and an accompanying dynamic that...struck a chord in me as an NS fan. Heck, the "Sasuke" of this triangle even has "suke" in his name (thankfully, he's not a psychopathic megalomaniac, just a bland and socially oblivious idiot). But unlike Sakura, who clung to to her preconceived image of Sasuke and seemingly ignored his faults, Retsuko realized that her infatuation on Resasuke was based on her idealized version of him,  re-interpreting his most distasteful qualities and habits as endearing traits, ignoring the fact that they had nothing in common, and trying to make him seem more appealing in her imagination. Once she understood that, she broke up with him. 

 

Meanwhile, Haida (the Naruto of this triangle) has harbored a crush on Retsuko for five years and is one of her best friends.  He also came to a conclusion that while the two of them may have been good friends, they didn't really know each other well outside of work. At the end of the first season, Haida has a revelation that's similar to Retsuko's, but unlike Retsuko, the sides of herself that he's witnessed and found captivating are real (whereas Retsuko deliberately deluded herself into attributing positive qualities to Resasuke, when he had none) and he finally musters up the courage to ask her out so that he can understand more about her and find out if a romantic relationship between them is possible.

 

Sadly, we don't hear her response, but the prospect is that she'll likely tell him to give her time since she just got out of a bad breakup, but the chances that she'll accept his proposal in the future (and ultimately reveal her "Inner Sakura" to him, a part of her that she's prominently ashamed of) are pretty good. 

Okay I may check out that one. BTW did you find that interview yet lol?

Oh Right. Well this couple is not really new for me or anyone else that watched the first movie but Bob and Helen Parr for me of course from "The Incredibles" films. I'd imagine that Izuku and Ochako's relationship would be more or less like theirs except for the whole discrepancies in the marriage like the whole to be lawful or good scenario, Izuku wouldn't necessarily be hateful of the mundane life and Ochako wouldn't be butting heads with him on the conflict in the movies but yeah they over all would have a loving and healthy marriage that endures even if they have disagreements or arguments, and would support each other through and thin and would make each other happy and sucessful even if they need to do something they are totally unprepared for like in the second movie where Bob becomes the stay at home dad while Helen does the hero work. Like even their powers are of a similar case to Izuku  Ochako too in that Izuku has a powerful but destructive quirk and using it could lead to a lot of potential damage to property whereas Ochako has a quirk that is powerful but not destructive by nature and could  reduce property damage and fully utilize rescue ops.

anyway I just think that the dynamic between those two couples are similar lol I hope Horikoshi-sensei watched that movie and that it gives him some ideas for the series and the Izako couple    

What makes NARDO such a bad father is that he's a hypocrite over something that he SHOULDN'T show hypocrisy for. His telling Brato that loneliness must be endured when he was SOOOOO empathetic to how his "brother from another mother lover" Sasuke was always alone too and did not tell him to "suck it up", not to mention he himself (taking up Naruto 's role from the Hinata fanfic movie and then on) WAS AN ORPHAN from birth. Whereas Sasuke is neither giving second thoughts to his family to even visit them or giving them financial aid to keep a roof over their heads, so that is self explanatory.

 

Dumb video making the rounds in the tumblr community. The premises are all correct, but the conclusions (that Kishi "planned this") are asinine.

 

Good video in the sense that it at very least can be used to gauge how Kishimoto (unintentionally) set this character up to be hated.

SO? Nardo was called the worst scumbag. WAS THAT PLANNED???? Kaguya was written in last minute because he (Kishimoto) did not even know where he was going with the Madara conflict, so you can't say that was planned.

Point is, these wackos take too much at face values at "what was planned" because it has been stated and proven time and again that Kishimoto was half winging it and half being jerked around by the nose with his editors. Yahagi practically WROTE the story for him until Yahagi left left, then he was constantly switching editors and had know idea what he was doing anymore because the only consistent thing told to him was LET ME-er, Naruto, make love to that "quiet, won't talk back and make a guy feel emasculated" sex doll Hinata Hyuga.

Back to the topic at hand. WAS Sakura meant to be hated or is it that she is hated for NO GOOD REASON? Her personality doesn't stand out to me as more unlikable than other tsunderes, and trust me, you would THINK that other tsunderes would be hated more because they are way worse than Sakura in terms of "mean and unstable" personality, but they don't get a fraction of the crap Sakura gets and in fact are popular body pillows. Double standards much?     

The only time I would understand the appeal of SS is from the Chunin Exams arc to Sasuke’s departure from the Leaf. Post-Departure, I honestly can’t understand it at least in terms of Sasuke-> Sakura. They was literally no evidence. Well, there were interactions, but they were all negative.

Some argue that the times Sasuke tried to kill Sakura were either in self-defense and/or because he was mentally unstable, but what about the war arc where he lets her almost drop in lava without sparing a second glance? He was sane of mind, and they were on the same side. Where’s the excuse for no concern?

The only thing keeping NH down is their lack of interaction and Naruto’s romantic feelings for Sakura. If I had to pick the lesser of two evils, I think the answer is obvious.

the thing that is keeping BOTH NH and SS down is that both women were crushing on the idea of the guys and have shown time and time again that neither of them don't understand or know the target of their affections as a person and have no real emotional intimacy or openness with each other. Sure SS seems to come off as worse, but that is due to Sasuke being being a sociopathic douche rather than the relationship as a whole. In core concept, both both are equally disgusting and dysfunctional fantasy knockoffs of fairy tale romances, that is INSULTING to real life human Interactions.

We all know this. For a relationship to come full circle, BOTH parties must be invested and committed to it, and it can't be just the the girls showing affection, the tenderness and love must be returned and I do not see that even after they married. Not to mention, NEITHER MEN put anything on the table for the relationship AT ALL. After they "knock up" the wives to get pregnant, I see no significant interaction between neither with spouse or offspring, and no it can not be said that it reflects Japanese values because THAT NEVER HAPPENED to any other on screen couple at all!!!!!! Any one want to tell me with a straight face that you see Japanese family values with Minato and Kushina or Asuma and Kurenai? Asuma and Kurenai were not even married when they were "cuddling under the sheets!!"

Point is NH and SS are worthless, loveless marriages built on fantasy and wish fulfillment, rather than the couple committing and bonding with each other. You don't even need to be a professional sociologist or psychologist to understand that. You see how radically negative NH and SS are compared to other couples portrayed in the series.

Yeah, exactly what I highlighted in bold. Plus, they start using very similar excuses and reasoning.

Basically, a radical third wave feminist of today will bash men into the ground claiming sexism and use some of the most sexist remarks to hurt men and be against them, but when confronted will say "Well, we are feminist and feminism is about equality." ("Give me a break" -Milo)

pro-NH fans are the same way.
They say that NH is the most romantic couple in the entire series and say that there were plenty of moments proving that it was going to be canon and how NS were delusional and there was no support of NS at all in the manga, but when asked where are these "romantic moments" or any thing of the sort, they turn around and say "Well, Naruto is not a romance manga so it is not the main focus." (Give me a break - Me.) You can't sit here and say that Naruto is NOT a romance manga, but then ONLY focus on the romance aspects of it like it was some shojo harem. Especially when it comes to Naruto the Last which IS a stupid romance movie. The only thing was a overglorified romance anime movie and it was all about how Hinata loved Naruto so much that she was dying inside. It was a Shojo movie with HInata as the main character, but they want to say that Naruto is not a romance manga when proven that NH really doesn't have enough moments to support it. Naruto the Last is just a symbol of their hypocrisy. They say that there was plenty of moments in the manga to prove NH exists, but ignore the fact that the only reason why Naruto the Last exists is because NH DIDN'T have enough development in the manga. They can't decide whether the movie was necessary or was just a gimmick for NH to push forward because if they admit it was just a gimmick then they have to admit that NH was a forced pairing, but if they admit that it was necessary then they admit that NH didn't have enough development in the manga and that it was a forced pairing. So they straddle it to ignore the idea that NH was a forced pairing.

You can't have it both ways. Esepcially when the movie itself implies that Naruto is so stupid that he doesn't know what love is. "The Pein Arc confession was the most romantic thing Hinata ever did for Naruto." Not anymore because the Naruto the Last movie said he doesn't know what love is so this scene loses is impact because "Naruto was too stupid to know what she meant."

"Naruto, the truth is...I am in love with you.....like you like ramen."

Accept they won't accept that. They want it both ways. They want Naruto to be fully aware of Hinata's feelings and have her feelings be genuine, but have every other feelings of love and care for Sakura, Sasuke, even Gaara, for his parents, Jiraiya, and maybe even Zabuza and Haku to be something trivial and in a "Naruto is stupid like that" way. It is disgusting and stupid.

This pairing should not have won. It is so cheap and so cruel and just shows how most Japanese manga editors think of us Americans here. We are just a bunch of babies who when dangling the "shy girl romance" theme in our faces like a set of keys we laugh and clap our hands like it was the best thing in the world.

Did I mention howe stupid this all is?
 

YUP. They play  the "Naruto is not a romance manga" card to "justify" why why there are no moment with NH in the actual canon manga, yet love the Hinata gets her man candy movie because it is their fantasy fulfilled with Nardo kissing Hinata under the moon in a scene that wouldn't be out of place in Sailor Moon, or how it shows hinata holding BRATO  during the end credits showing that Nardo knocked her up and got her preggars. BUT, you ask them why they needed make an NH movie in the first place "if NH was backed up by the manga", then they say "Naruto is not a romance manga". And I would love to reply to them "OH, so is that why there was no Dragon Ball movie to show how Goku fell in love with Chichi, no Bleach movie to show how Ichigo fell in love with Orihime, or no Fullmetal Alchemist movie to show how Edward fell in love with Winry?" Is that why you say Naruto totally fell for Hinata the moment she confessed to  him during the  Pain Invasion arc, Sakura's confession is fake and she is a lying c**t, yet Nardo thought that when Hinata said she loved him, "he thought it was like how he "loved ramen"? Is that why when Sakura told Nardo to walk Hinata home , he asked "WHY???"............................................. Well? I'm waiting for an answer

And once again, what they consider "romantic" falls apart under analysis. Hinata's actions towards Naruto constantly put others in danger, she infantalizes him which in turn means she doesn't recognize just how far he's come, she uses this as a means to empower herself, and it undermines the themes of the series. That's NaruHina, and no psychiatrist would say it's a healthy depiction of love. No wonder you get stuff like lists of things people need to know for Boruto that's all anime filler.

The way she "worries about Naruto" the manga, looks more like a "HANDS OFF MY PROPERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!" moment then genuine concern, especially since she was told time and again that when Naruto is in peril that means that the danger is more than anyone else (especially her) can handle but does she give a damn? NOPE. She must "rescue her precious goods" or else she feels like she must commit suicide".  And it doesn't matter who actually saves her sorry @$$, as long as her "sexy, vicarous  fantasy doll  N-Naruto-kun" is alive so his "key" can start up her baby making factory, she is happy!!!!!!!   Neji is (*unliving*) proof of that  isn't he, given her reaction was how she was holding "Naruto-kun's large strong hand" five minutes later?

Give Sakura credit, she may "love" Naruto, but she doesn't treat him like a child that needs coddling and her protecting him all the time. But again that is the double standards of "Sakura-hate cult" and "Hinatatheism". Sakura is not worried about Naruto and thinks he can handle himself? " What a HEARTLESS B**CH!!!! SHE DOESN'T EVEN CARE HOW HURT HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!! If Hinata does the same?  OMG, LOOK AT HOW MUCH FAITH SHE PUTS IN HER HUBBY!!!!!!!!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROMANTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *SQUEAL SQUEAL SQUEAL*

Now excuse me while I throw up for even thinking the  "Hinata" part of that sentence and imaging her hierophants' reaction

Yeah I live in Canada and I feel like a very SMALL minority here that HATES THIS trash ending

Well technically her fondest memory SHOULD BE how Sasuke (*cough*Naruto *cough cough*) complimented her forehead considering how much she hated it at that point and she never found out that was Naruto.  BU**!!!!!!!!!!! $#IT!!!!!!!!!!       

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Well my opinion of it is that it is nostalgia bait to TRY bring back in the fans that they alienated from the franchise. I mean really, do you see the desperation in the writing? They flipped around Sakura and Hinata's character traits which ADMITS their guilt in a sense. They turned Hinata into a "no nonsense scary mom" earlier and recently they had Sakura faint when Sasuke comes home. Do you see the hypocrisy there?

Even more important than not even knowing Naruto's favourite food, have these two so-called love birds ever connected? Has Naruto ever told Hinata about his life struggle of being HATED by the entire village because he is carrying around the creature that almost destroyed the entire village inside of himself? NOPE, she learned that through the hearsay of others. Did Hinata ever tell Naruto that she feels like a failure because of how rough her father treats her and the pressures of being the Hyuga's (former) heiress? NOPE. Does Naruto regularly talk to Hinata and go out of his way to interact with her on a daily basis? NOPE. When Sasuke was in the village in Part I does he open up to Sakura and talk to her even when she is NOT fan girl-ing him? NOPE. You see, It's funny how emotionally open Naruto is around Sakura and vice versa, but neither are around their spouses, where one is a yes-woman to her husband and the other gives no $#^&s about his wife(?), and with that in mind we are SUPPOSED to believe these couples are matches made in heaven?