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The only time I would understand the appeal of SS is from the Chunin Exams arc to Sasuke’s departure from the Leaf. Post-Departure, I honestly can’t understand it at least in terms of Sasuke-> Sakura. They was literally no evidence. Well, there were interactions, but they were all negative.

Some argue that the times Sasuke tried to kill Sakura were either in self-defense and/or because he was mentally unstable, but what about the war arc where he lets her almost drop in lava without sparing a second glance? He was sane of mind, and they were on the same side. Where’s the excuse for no concern?

The only thing keeping NH down is their lack of interaction and Naruto’s romantic feelings for Sakura. If I had to pick the lesser of two evils, I think the answer is obvious.

the thing that is keeping BOTH NH and SS down is that both women were crushing on the idea of the guys and have shown time and time again that neither of them don't understand or know the target of their affections as a person and have no real emotional intimacy or openness with each other. Sure SS seems to come off as worse, but that is due to Sasuke being being a sociopathic douche rather than the relationship as a whole. In core concept, both both are equally disgusting and dysfunctional fantasy knockoffs of fairy tale romances, that is INSULTING to real life human Interactions.

We all know this. For a relationship to come full circle, BOTH parties must be invested and committed to it, and it can't be just the the girls showing affection, the tenderness and love must be returned and I do not see that even after they married. Not to mention, NEITHER MEN put anything on the table for the relationship AT ALL. After they "knock up" the wives to get pregnant, I see no significant interaction between neither with spouse or offspring, and no it can not be said that it reflects Japanese values because THAT NEVER HAPPENED to any other on screen couple at all!!!!!! Any one want to tell me with a straight face that you see Japanese family values with Minato and Kushina or Asuma and Kurenai? Asuma and Kurenai were not even married when they were "cuddling under the sheets!!"

Point is NH and SS are worthless, loveless marriages built on fantasy and wish fulfillment, rather than the couple committing and bonding with each other. You don't even need to be a professional sociologist or psychologist to understand that. You see how radically negative NH and SS are compared to other couples portrayed in the series.

Yeah, exactly what I highlighted in bold. Plus, they start using very similar excuses and reasoning.

Basically, a radical third wave feminist of today will bash men into the ground claiming sexism and use some of the most sexist remarks to hurt men and be against them, but when confronted will say "Well, we are feminist and feminism is about equality." ("Give me a break" -Milo)

pro-NH fans are the same way.
They say that NH is the most romantic couple in the entire series and say that there were plenty of moments proving that it was going to be canon and how NS were delusional and there was no support of NS at all in the manga, but when asked where are these "romantic moments" or any thing of the sort, they turn around and say "Well, Naruto is not a romance manga so it is not the main focus." (Give me a break - Me.) You can't sit here and say that Naruto is NOT a romance manga, but then ONLY focus on the romance aspects of it like it was some shojo harem. Especially when it comes to Naruto the Last which IS a stupid romance movie. The only thing was a overglorified romance anime movie and it was all about how Hinata loved Naruto so much that she was dying inside. It was a Shojo movie with HInata as the main character, but they want to say that Naruto is not a romance manga when proven that NH really doesn't have enough moments to support it. Naruto the Last is just a symbol of their hypocrisy. They say that there was plenty of moments in the manga to prove NH exists, but ignore the fact that the only reason why Naruto the Last exists is because NH DIDN'T have enough development in the manga. They can't decide whether the movie was necessary or was just a gimmick for NH to push forward because if they admit it was just a gimmick then they have to admit that NH was a forced pairing, but if they admit that it was necessary then they admit that NH didn't have enough development in the manga and that it was a forced pairing. So they straddle it to ignore the idea that NH was a forced pairing.

You can't have it both ways. Esepcially when the movie itself implies that Naruto is so stupid that he doesn't know what love is. "The Pein Arc confession was the most romantic thing Hinata ever did for Naruto." Not anymore because the Naruto the Last movie said he doesn't know what love is so this scene loses is impact because "Naruto was too stupid to know what she meant."

"Naruto, the truth is...I am in love with you.....like you like ramen."

Accept they won't accept that. They want it both ways. They want Naruto to be fully aware of Hinata's feelings and have her feelings be genuine, but have every other feelings of love and care for Sakura, Sasuke, even Gaara, for his parents, Jiraiya, and maybe even Zabuza and Haku to be something trivial and in a "Naruto is stupid like that" way. It is disgusting and stupid.

This pairing should not have won. It is so cheap and so cruel and just shows how most Japanese manga editors think of us Americans here. We are just a bunch of babies who when dangling the "shy girl romance" theme in our faces like a set of keys we laugh and clap our hands like it was the best thing in the world.

Did I mention howe stupid this all is?
 

YUP. They play  the "Naruto is not a romance manga" card to "justify" why why there are no moment with NH in the actual canon manga, yet love the Hinata gets her man candy movie because it is their fantasy fulfilled with Nardo kissing Hinata under the moon in a scene that wouldn't be out of place in Sailor Moon, or how it shows hinata holding BRATO  during the end credits showing that Nardo knocked her up and got her preggars. BUT, you ask them why they needed make an NH movie in the first place "if NH was backed up by the manga", then they say "Naruto is not a romance manga". And I would love to reply to them "OH, so is that why there was no Dragon Ball movie to show how Goku fell in love with Chichi, no Bleach movie to show how Ichigo fell in love with Orihime, or no Fullmetal Alchemist movie to show how Edward fell in love with Winry?" Is that why you say Naruto totally fell for Hinata the moment she confessed to  him during the  Pain Invasion arc, Sakura's confession is fake and she is a lying c**t, yet Nardo thought that when Hinata said she loved him, "he thought it was like how he "loved ramen"? Is that why when Sakura told Nardo to walk Hinata home , he asked "WHY???"............................................. Well? I'm waiting for an answer

And once again, what they consider "romantic" falls apart under analysis. Hinata's actions towards Naruto constantly put others in danger, she infantalizes him which in turn means she doesn't recognize just how far he's come, she uses this as a means to empower herself, and it undermines the themes of the series. That's NaruHina, and no psychiatrist would say it's a healthy depiction of love. No wonder you get stuff like lists of things people need to know for Boruto that's all anime filler.

The way she "worries about Naruto" the manga, looks more like a "HANDS OFF MY PROPERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!" moment then genuine concern, especially since she was told time and again that when Naruto is in peril that means that the danger is more than anyone else (especially her) can handle but does she give a damn? NOPE. She must "rescue her precious goods" or else she feels like she must commit suicide".  And it doesn't matter who actually saves her sorry @$$, as long as her "sexy, vicarous  fantasy doll  N-Naruto-kun" is alive so his "key" can start up her baby making factory, she is happy!!!!!!!   Neji is (*unliving*) proof of that  isn't he, given her reaction was how she was holding "Naruto-kun's large strong hand" five minutes later?

Give Sakura credit, she may "love" Naruto, but she doesn't treat him like a child that needs coddling and her protecting him all the time. But again that is the double standards of "Sakura-hate cult" and "Hinatatheism". Sakura is not worried about Naruto and thinks he can handle himself? " What a HEARTLESS B**CH!!!! SHE DOESN'T EVEN CARE HOW HURT HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!! If Hinata does the same?  OMG, LOOK AT HOW MUCH FAITH SHE PUTS IN HER HUBBY!!!!!!!!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROMANTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *SQUEAL SQUEAL SQUEAL*

Now excuse me while I throw up for even thinking the  "Hinata" part of that sentence and imaging her hierophants' reaction

Yeah I live in Canada and I feel like a very SMALL minority here that HATES THIS trash ending

Well technically her fondest memory SHOULD BE how Sasuke (*cough*Naruto *cough cough*) complimented her forehead considering how much she hated it at that point and she never found out that was Naruto.  BU**!!!!!!!!!!! $#IT!!!!!!!!!!       

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Well my opinion of it is that it is nostalgia bait to TRY bring back in the fans that they alienated from the franchise. I mean really, do you see the desperation in the writing? They flipped around Sakura and Hinata's character traits which ADMITS their guilt in a sense. They turned Hinata into a "no nonsense scary mom" earlier and recently they had Sakura faint when Sasuke comes home. Do you see the hypocrisy there?

Even more important than not even knowing Naruto's favourite food, have these two so-called love birds ever connected? Has Naruto ever told Hinata about his life struggle of being HATED by the entire village because he is carrying around the creature that almost destroyed the entire village inside of himself? NOPE, she learned that through the hearsay of others. Did Hinata ever tell Naruto that she feels like a failure because of how rough her father treats her and the pressures of being the Hyuga's (former) heiress? NOPE. Does Naruto regularly talk to Hinata and go out of his way to interact with her on a daily basis? NOPE. When Sasuke was in the village in Part I does he open up to Sakura and talk to her even when she is NOT fan girl-ing him? NOPE. You see, It's funny how emotionally open Naruto is around Sakura and vice versa, but neither are around their spouses, where one is a yes-woman to her husband and the other gives no $#^&s about his wife(?), and with that in mind we are SUPPOSED to believe these couples are matches made in heaven?

I don't know about that because I've seen some kitten fathers in shoujo/josei. They are the worst in shounen though.

Hey at least those fathers were MEANT to be written that way, Boruto's dad and Sasuke were a means to an end to create unnecessary drama so that is still worse in my book Especially since one turned out to be a hypocrite and the other gives SO FEW $%@#s about his family you wonder why he even had one in the first place given his sociopathic like apathy to anyone not named Naruto Uzamaki (which was then replaced by NARDO SCUMZAMAKI) 

Let's make it simple, Nardo and Sasuke are THE WORST FATHERS in the history of Manga    

Exactly, ergo Chi-chi is not a bad wife, and Goku is not a bad husband

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naruto's appearance is the least of boruto's issues

Like How "Boruto's dad" is a scumbag that killed Naruto and took his role to be with Hinata's titties?

exactly. the Director was trying to be a hipster

Well if there is one thing I WOULD say to be fair to viz in that regard it is that the japanese translations is "suki" which is the equivalent to "like" more or less.  "Ai" is "love" or "great love" in both Mandarin-style Chinese and Japanese and is used VERY conservatively for those that are incredible close to a person like a spouse. Kushina used "ai" to Naruto in the japanese version. (since he is her only son and they never got to meet physically)  *ahem* To really like someone, or a more casual word for love I suppose, is "daisuki".
 
Anyway my point being, "suki" is the phrase to use for a crush but a lot of translations blow it out of proportion to use it as love. In fact Hinata only used "suki" too but viz translated it as love, so it is just english translations not understanding the cuttural difference between how East Asians express how they "like" someone compared to how they "love" someone. If Sakura and Naruto were married then "ai" would be a more appropriate word, but clearly they are not.

Just saying that there is more to it than just bias although bias DOES play it's part I don't deny it Like Why Naruto only says like But Hinata says love which is BS since she doesn't even know him

 

So...

 

Anti-Enders hate what Naruto has become, citing character assassination and breaking of the story's themes.

 

We have normies  calling Naruto a bad father who should be with his kids more considering his past as an orphan.

 

And we even have some pro-enders starting to call him out, saying he idolizes the ninja system and puts more importance on being Hokage over his family (by which they mean motorboating Hinata's Hinatatas). They also think he's too stupid to be Hokage.

 

It's like no one is buying the crap SP has been selling about the character. No wonder the franchise went into sharp decline.

Which  ALL OF US  predicted here, 4 years ago, and that is why we left this franchise  we knew the next gen. project for NARDO was not worth anything    

Because all she gives a damn about is her husband clearly

Read the list.
 
1) To make it so there were 20 bulletpoints, they broke up all the ways her homelife sucked that easily could have been summed up together.
 
2) They try to bring up her experiencing pain during the invasion arc... where the entire village was under attack. A lot of people suffered but it's all about Hinata. Neji and Asuma's deaths too.
 
3) Her sucking at being a ninja. The entire cast went through the system, saw it's horrors but with Hinata suffering outweighs all them? kitten.
 
4) Multiple points of her not being able to be with Naruto, either due to shyness or him leaving to train/save the world.
 
It's like this person doesn't even know what hardship actually is, or how pathetic Hinata looks if these are your arguments. Other characters had kitten home lives, and hell Hinata's a kitten parent herself. The entire cast had to deal with being ninja, and if it's so hard for Hinata why doesn't she take issue with Naruto continuing the system? Oh right, she retired at Chunin level to play homemaker while ignoring her son's issues. If it's so hard for Hinata to be without Naruto, her cocaine, why doesn't she train so she can stand next to him (like Sakura) rather than wait at home worrying about him. Oh right, she doesn't. She runs off into battle and gets her ass kicked, even if her children could be left as orphans.
 
Hinata-fans like this are a complete joke.

 

1) Her home life sucks? The worst that she has is that she is treated distainfully by an emotionally abusive father that is disappointed in her and honestly she does not improve the situation with her escapism by WISHING she could be like her living vicarious doll "N-Naruto-kun!!!!" And also "big whoop", so you have parents that constantly hurt your feelings, A LOT of kids go through that, and not all of them live in a cushy mansion and are treated like nobility. Isn't that why Shikamaru argued for Nardo to marry Hinata in the movie? to use her family's power, wealth and influence to be Hokage? So she may have a hard time with her father but her home life FAR FROM sucks and is unstable
 
2) she suffered? SHE SUFFERED!? DURING PAIN'S INVASION!? I recalled that she didn't give two effs about anything else as long Naruto was alive so he could drill his "p" into her "v" later   She didn't give ANY thoughts about the village. She WAS NOT defending anyone or fighting off anything during the invasion, but when her "man candy" is threatened to be taken away from her She suddenly becomes "suicidally courageous"!?   THAT IS FEELING SORROW FOR HER VILLAGE?
 
3) Yeah, she SUCKS at being a ninja, what's their point? She does not do anything for any person's sake, not even for her self. but when she get's her "N-Naruto-kun-gasms" THEN she starts fighting back, and who besides her is responsible for that? Give other characters credit, they at least are willing to get stronger and do it for reasons other than "making their crush blush" And speaking of which, you don't see ANY OTHER CHARACTER with this mentality being praised for it to the extent Hinata Hyuga gets
 
4) AND? Now here is the double standards here. Hinata has always liked Naruto so she is entitled to him, But Naruto always liked Sakura but is not entitiled to her because she is an "abusive kitten", and Sakura is entitled to Sasuke because she always liked him, ignoring that logic applies to ALL of his fan girls then. And entitlement aside, Who is Naruto's best friend that always cheers him up, supports his dream, TALKS TO HIM and always makes him feel at home? Who is he always comfortable to be around? Here is a hint, It is not Sasuke. It's not even Hinata. *Gasp* It is Sakura, the so-called abusive kitten!!!!   Clearly they ignore all of Sakura's more tender moments and development with Naruto because Hinata Hyuga-ojou-megami-sama deserves Naruto  When she does not even make any attempts to even start a friendship with him