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[LuckyChi7]

It's been a very longtime since I've done a drawing Sachiko "Sachi" Uzumaki,  the daughter I created for Naruto and Sakura, you guys know Shinachiku's twin sister. 

 

 

Well last time you remember I drew her when she was 7-8 and her when she's 15-16, and I decided to draw a design where shes around 12-14 years old here is what she looks like now:  

 

 

 

 

 

By the way Sachi's design alone took me almost 3 and half hours,  Naruto and Sakura only took me an hour and a half for theres. 

 

 

Here's a little character background I came up with for her: 

 

she's more like Naruto in terms of recklessness and strength similar to her mother.. Only I'd say she's more of an airhead kinda like Ruby Rose from Rwby, but she's also very outgoing too, and she's not afraid to take any risks either when it comes to decisions.  In terms of her goal that's something I kinda wanted her to not really think too much about until she got older, and that was gonna revolve around her join the anbu black ups after a certain event (haven't exactly planned that), but throughout her early childhood right around 11-12 the more dark and grim things got the more she got curious especially with the Anbu Black Ops mainly hearing stories from Sai and it would lead her to her goal in joining the Anbu.  in terms of her relationship with her parents are pretty good. She makes time for both Naruto and Sakura equally even when it comes to busy times... Though like most kids chores are always kinda a thing she just lacks think of how messy Naruto's room was in Part 1 and even Part 2 it's about two times worse than that.  In terms of her relationship with Shinachiku is similar to how Ben and Gwen's  for those of you who remember the original Ben 10 series.. Though when it comes to Hanami she does whatever she can to be their and act like a responsible older sister. Though you could see some of Shinachiku and Sachiko's arguement do kinda argue around who gets spend more time with Hanami.  Oh I also forgot there would also be times when Sachiko was around 4 or 5 when She would ask her father to play with Kurama which in a way would  revolve around seperating his biju mode for a little while similar to the last and this was because she would ride him as a horse and lets just say she ended up destroying the village cause of it which led Naruto to build a complete safezone for her to do so (think of Gildarts from Fairy Tail when he comes back to Magnolia). 

 

In terms of her chakra nature: I always imagined it being Water and Earth. 

Now this would be similar to Spiderman, for those of you who read Renew Your Vows,  she'd inherit a partial amount of Kurama's chakra.. Only having the aura around her and her eyes shifting that's about it.. It's more so to telepathically communicate with her father from long distance think of the Gold and Silver Brothers. She would heal from extensive wounds like her father, but it would take a little longer than how fast Naruto's was.. like Naruto's would be 100% and Sachiko's healing capabilities would be 70%.  

Edited by LuckyChi7, 16 August 2017 - 09:36 PM.

[Nostradamus]

700 posts in just over a month I think she just hit a record XD

I think I needed two years to get to that number. :)

 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I think I needed two years to get to that number. :)

 

969 with this post and joined April 25, 2015, so about right, lol.

[lupina]

I stumbled across some rather old tumblr posts and I thought I share it here. Maybe some of you are still interested.

The user (Meeko) told her writing-class teacher (he practiced for ~27 years - so we can safely assume he has a lot of experience) about Naruto.
 
Here is his response:
 

Before the Ending

I was really confused about this NH suddenly happening just as all of you, so as a script/literature student for almost a year, and learning all about foreshadowing, character development, and plot treatment, I decided I should talk to someone who knew more than me.

I exposed this case (about NH in the last movie) to my professor, who has been a successful screen writer for 27 years, and his answer was.

“Well, if you want to get two characters together, you have to put them through a lot of situations, and make them feel everything, both sides, so you can explain why the bond is so strong. You can’t put two characters together which development is so poor, not even if the 3, or 4 moments they have had together are really meaningful. That’s only valid if you are writing a short film cause you don’t have a lot of time, but if the story is as long as you’re telling me, then you have no excuse. You have had plenty of time to put those character through more moments, and make a successful development. If you really intent to make this two characters end up together, then you should have give them more screen time”

the I asked him about the other character (Sakura) what was her case and he answered.

“ It means he really didn’t think it through, and he has wasted years of paper and ink developing this relationship for absolutely nothing. Why would you spend so much time developing a relationship if you really didn’t mean it? As a story maker you have to keep in mind that you have to make things clear for the viewers, because if you don’t, things like this happen. It’s like a new trend in marketing to leave a really open plot so the viewers can make their own conclusions, and watch just cause they want to know if they’re right, and they do this without even consulting the writer. That is called comercial script, and it’s ruining the industry, darling. But if in the end you tell me this girl who has been with the main character all the time, and it’s clearly the main female character, is not ending up with him, you’re telling me the writer of this story hasn’t been able to keep his story in line. He practically took a side character out of nowhere, and created a relationship that through the story was not even foreshadow. It’s bad writing”

I explain about Hinata’s love for Naruto. 

“And have the main character acknowledge this love?”

I told him about Pein Arc, and her confession. he asked me to see the pages of the manga, and I showed them to him.

“But then this confession was not mention again. When you write about several characters, you have to give each of them a resolution, or else it will  be unfinished. This girls confessions was sudden, and it was not mention again, so in my experience this is just to help the character get its resolution. If to the main character, or to the main plot this confession is supposed to be a game changer, or something important, then it should have been mention again. I can see the main female is there again, and as you can see, or at least what it seems is that the girl is uncomfortable. Sometimes we have to take side characters to do things like this, so main characters can realise their own truth. And it’s use really often. You see a lot of movies about someone who doesn’t realise he or she is in love with their best friend until the best friend is with someone else. So having this confession, and the only person to acknowledge that moment is the other girl, then the confession is only important to those girls. As i told you before, the side character needs its resolution about those feelings, and the main character needs to realise some things that are link to the confession”.

I explained that since then, Naruto and Hinata have a couple of moments, and I showed them to him as well.

“Okey, I can see your concern. As stories develop sometimes we create characters that we wish we would have seen more of. But as much as I watched about this character, the conclusion of every interaction they have (naruto and hinata) is the girl thinking the same thing. We never see him thinking about her, or about what she has done. In the case of the other girl (Sakura) we have both of them thinking about each other constantly. In this cases the side character (hinata) will have her own resolution thanks to the impact the main character have had on her, and the other two (sakura and naruto) are more likely to have a resolution together. You can decode this just by who they keep in their thoughts. The main character has been in love with the other girl (sakura) for the whole story, and it is constantly showed. You never get a hint that he is changing his mind, so it would not be logical for him to change his mind in the blink of an eye, and he’s the main character, he gets what he wants. In this kind of stories, he works his ass off, he gets what he wants, and the other characters learn from him”

So I asked him what about the movie and I tell him everything that is going on and he told me.

“Then it means that in the main story the writer couldn’t really find a right way to give this character her resolution, so he created the perfect situation for her to have it. If this story is linked to the main one, then it will has no sense with her ending up with the main character. By the plot of this side story, I can tell that what you will mainly see is the final impact the main character has had on her, and the writer will be able to develop her story successfully, but as I see it, and talking with my own experience, her resolution will not be ending by the side of the main character. She will go through her own personal journey, she will finally give him the scarf as a sign of that chapter of her life ending because she will know new things about herself”

I thanked him, and as I was leaving his office he said to me. 

“Remember that stories have to make more sense than real life. So, if you want two people to end up together, you have to constantly show how that bond gets stronger. In stories nothing just happens, so I highly doubt he will love the other girl out of nowhere, not after the writer has spend 15 years invested on the other relationship, it will be kind of crushing. Can you imagine it? Spending so much time with the one you love going through the same things, and suddenly having to forget him because someone else loves you?" 

"No, sir”

“Yeah. Keep me updated, you have made me curious”

“Course I will”

So yeah, Im keeping my high hopes, or else I will be pretty disappointed. I don’t want to end up feeling disappointed.

 

After the Ending

as a lot of people requested it, and here’s the update on what my professor thought of naruto’s end. But for other people’s request is not only as a NS perspective, but all of naruto. I hope this give you some peace, NS.

This time he has the whole profile of Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and Hinata. That way there’s no missing info.

“Okay, so main character, and main female don’t end together”

“No”

“But then, there was this third love interest, which is pretty close to a main character”

“Yup”

“Okay, in the narrative there’s actually a lot of stuff missing. There are wholes everywhere. First of all, foreshawing. He used some kind of foreshadowing but for absolute nothing. You have literal examples of why the main guy, and the pink haired girl would end up together. They spend all of their time together which following basic rules, would’ve lead to them ending up together. You remember the little notebook that I made each of you in my class have?”

“Yes”

“If I make you write every detail about a story is because these kind of things. When you develop a story, the circumstances in your life will change, and that will make your perceptions of your life change. If in your story your main interest is to make something happen, you have to make everything for it to happen. You have to foreshadow, develop the plot, everything for it to be obvious to happen. If you develop a relationship, and at the same time intended to create the character’s development through it, you have to go with it till the end. If you don’t keep clear track of your work, then you might change your mind halfway there, but you have already develop something, you can’t just stop there. 

Let’s put it this way. We are filming right now, we’re halfway the scene. Suddenly I take out a candle, and I put it on the desk. Would that affect the scene?”

“Yes, cause that would damage the continuity, if you want a candle on the table you should’ve put it there from the start because then we have to start  all over again”

“Exactly. I didn’t have quite clear what I wanted from the scene, so right at the middle, I decided something different. It is the same with stories. Have you watched How I Met Your Mother?”

“A couple of episodes”

“Well, they did something similar to it. You can ask every fan of the series, they love the series but they hate the end. They foreshadow something, that at the end didn’t happened. You sold something you couldn’t keep going. I want to know about what happened to his promise to her, I want to know what happened to make him give up on her, I want to know so many things that I don’t see here.

Also, the character development I see here is awful. The girl with the purple hair, in her biography says she couldn’t take care of her clan, family, because she was weak. Since that is left aside, practically, her development is cero. She stays the same from start, to end. If you bring a character to the spotlight you should then give them development. And if it’s development is getting the guy she wanted, then is poor, because, what changed in her? What can I take out of her character?

Same with the pink hair girl. At the end she ends up with a guy who hurt her, so she went full circle. She changed, but return to be the same. But I have more comments about her”

“But… the main character changed by not still loving the main girl, that isn’t development then?”

“Well, as I read, the line of this story was to surpass the past generations and get what they didn’t get. The main character didn’t accomplish his development because by not getting the girl, he practically repeated the same mistake his past generations did”

“So, what can you tell about this?”

“Even thou the development of the story ended hideous, I feel the case of this story is that, the writer left so many doors open, so in the end he could just enter whatever he wanted. That decision was taken later, that’s obvious. We saw how the feelings of the main girl for the other guy started to change, and we have many parallels, and we never saw his feelings changing, we just have a couple of momentos with someone else, but we never had some depth in them, so it’s normal to feel confused, but I think this is the case. Just like Harry Potter, JK stated a couple of years after ending the books she wished she could change the ending, and made hermione ended with harry. This guy had the time to change his decision, maybe he felt nostalgic for his characters, or maybe, as a comercial script, as I can see, they give what was more asked for. The possibilities were too many.

So you can understand me with this, let’s talk about the other main guy, he was a bad person, but he stated the only people he trusted was this three persons, which only one was a girl, and that girl was in love with him. So if his resolution was going to be something like having a family, the only person he could be was the main girl, since is the only girl who he consider important. But as well, his resolution was sudden, for the whole story he made clear he wasn’t interested, but he had a change of heart at the last minute. Is what I’m telling you about leaving an open door for everything, so he could end it any way he wanted. The ending is very ambiguous, we have little flashes of every characters, it is… incomplete. At least it would’ve been nice to see the relationships of the characters after so many years. I get they have kids, but I don’t get more of it. I don’t know how their relationships work now. That at least would have convinced me more, but sadly, it kind of leave me feeling incomplete.

My last comment would be… it was a very noble thing for the main character to left his love interest so his friend could be happy, cause that’s the only explanation I found. It was really noble for her to keep loving him even thou he was such a bad person. And for the other main character, he has the best character development, cause he was the only one that went through a true change. It could’ve done more with their characters, I would make the main character get the girl, and the other guy I would just left him alone and supporting his friends for once, cause it’s always their friends supporting him, for me it would have felt better, but it’s not my story, so I have nothing more else to say. It’s nice in its own way. Ambiguous, but somehow nice”.

So that’s that people. NS should not be disappointed, they have a whole journey. Naruto and Sakura have so many moments that you can repeat again and again. Naruto might be over, but not in our hearts. So keep drawing, and writing, and everything you want about NaruSaku!

Love you all!

 

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[BlackShirtGuy]

The only problem with the above, really, is that without the full source, it's hard to really describe something. With the full source, NH makes a lot of sense. Because he lacked the full detail, he couldn't see the development. 

 

That's why the above is unreliable, though still interesting to see another point of view. 

With a full source (all the manga), neither the SS or NH makes sense.
Without it, still wouldnt made sense, since you lost more than 80%, if you only want SS and NH "development".

Edited by BlackShirtGuy, 17 August 2017 - 01:25 AM.

[Kagomaru]

I stumbled across some rather old tumblr posts and I thought I share it here. Maybe some of you are still interested.

The user (Meeko) told her writing-class teacher (he practiced for ~27 years - so we can safely assume he has a lot of experience) about Naruto.
 
Here is his response:
 

Before the Ending

I was really confused about this NH suddenly happening just as all of you, so as a script/literature student for almost a year, and learning all about foreshadowing, character development, and plot treatment, I decided I should talk to someone who knew more than me.

I exposed this case (about NH in the last movie) to my professor, who has been a successful screen writer for 27 years, and his answer was.

“Well, if you want to get two characters together, you have to put them through a lot of situations, and make them feel everything, both sides, so you can explain why the bond is so strong. You can’t put two characters together which development is so poor, not even if the 3, or 4 moments they have had together are really meaningful. That’s only valid if you are writing a short film cause you don’t have a lot of time, but if the story is as long as you’re telling me, then you have no excuse. You have had plenty of time to put those character through more moments, and make a successful development. If you really intent to make this two characters end up together, then you should have give them more screen time”

the I asked him about the other character (Sakura) what was her case and he answered.

“ It means he really didn’t think it through, and he has wasted years of paper and ink developing this relationship for absolutely nothing. Why would you spend so much time developing a relationship if you really didn’t mean it? As a story maker you have to keep in mind that you have to make things clear for the viewers, because if you don’t, things like this happen. It’s like a new trend in marketing to leave a really open plot so the viewers can make their own conclusions, and watch just cause they want to know if they’re right, and they do this without even consulting the writer. That is called comercial script, and it’s ruining the industry, darling. But if in the end you tell me this girl who has been with the main character all the time, and it’s clearly the main female character, is not ending up with him, you’re telling me the writer of this story hasn’t been able to keep his story in line. He practically took a side character out of nowhere, and created a relationship that through the story was not even foreshadow. It’s bad writing”

I explain about Hinata’s love for Naruto. 

“And have the main character acknowledge this love?”

I told him about Pein Arc, and her confession. he asked me to see the pages of the manga, and I showed them to him.

“But then this confession was not mention again. When you write about several characters, you have to give each of them a resolution, or else it will  be unfinished. This girls confessions was sudden, and it was not mention again, so in my experience this is just to help the character get its resolution. If to the main character, or to the main plot this confession is supposed to be a game changer, or something important, then it should have been mention again. I can see the main female is there again, and as you can see, or at least what it seems is that the girl is uncomfortable. Sometimes we have to take side characters to do things like this, so main characters can realise their own truth. And it’s use really often. You see a lot of movies about someone who doesn’t realise he or she is in love with their best friend until the best friend is with someone else. So having this confession, and the only person to acknowledge that moment is the other girl, then the confession is only important to those girls. As i told you before, the side character needs its resolution about those feelings, and the main character needs to realise some things that are link to the confession”.

I explained that since then, Naruto and Hinata have a couple of moments, and I showed them to him as well.

“Okey, I can see your concern. As stories develop sometimes we create characters that we wish we would have seen more of. But as much as I watched about this character, the conclusion of every interaction they have (naruto and hinata) is the girl thinking the same thing. We never see him thinking about her, or about what she has done. In the case of the other girl (Sakura) we have both of them thinking about each other constantly. In this cases the side character (hinata) will have her own resolution thanks to the impact the main character have had on her, and the other two (sakura and naruto) are more likely to have a resolution together. You can decode this just by who they keep in their thoughts. The main character has been in love with the other girl (sakura) for the whole story, and it is constantly showed. You never get a hint that he is changing his mind, so it would not be logical for him to change his mind in the blink of an eye, and he’s the main character, he gets what he wants. In this kind of stories, he works his ass off, he gets what he wants, and the other characters learn from him”

So I asked him what about the movie and I tell him everything that is going on and he told me.

“Then it means that in the main story the writer couldn’t really find a right way to give this character her resolution, so he created the perfect situation for her to have it. If this story is linked to the main one, then it will has no sense with her ending up with the main character. By the plot of this side story, I can tell that what you will mainly see is the final impact the main character has had on her, and the writer will be able to develop her story successfully, but as I see it, and talking with my own experience, her resolution will not be ending by the side of the main character. She will go through her own personal journey, she will finally give him the scarf as a sign of that chapter of her life ending because she will know new things about herself”

I thanked him, and as I was leaving his office he said to me. 

“Remember that stories have to make more sense than real life. So, if you want two people to end up together, you have to constantly show how that bond gets stronger. In stories nothing just happens, so I highly doubt he will love the other girl out of nowhere, not after the writer has spend 15 years invested on the other relationship, it will be kind of crushing. Can you imagine it? Spending so much time with the one you love going through the same things, and suddenly having to forget him because someone else loves you?" 

"No, sir”

“Yeah. Keep me updated, you have made me curious”

“Course I will”

So yeah, Im keeping my high hopes, or else I will be pretty disappointed. I don’t want to end up feeling disappointed.

 

After the Ending

as a lot of people requested it, and here’s the update on what my professor thought of naruto’s end. But for other people’s request is not only as a NS perspective, but all of naruto. I hope this give you some peace, NS.

This time he has the whole profile of Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and Hinata. That way there’s no missing info.

“Okay, so main character, and main female don’t end together”

“No”

“But then, there was this third love interest, which is pretty close to a main character”

“Yup”

“Okay, in the narrative there’s actually a lot of stuff missing. There are wholes everywhere. First of all, foreshawing. He used some kind of foreshadowing but for absolute nothing. You have literal examples of why the main guy, and the pink haired girl would end up together. They spend all of their time together which following basic rules, would’ve lead to them ending up together. You remember the little notebook that I made each of you in my class have?”

“Yes”

“If I make you write every detail about a story is because these kind of things. When you develop a story, the circumstances in your life will change, and that will make your perceptions of your life change. If in your story your main interest is to make something happen, you have to make everything for it to happen. You have to foreshadow, develop the plot, everything for it to be obvious to happen. If you develop a relationship, and at the same time intended to create the character’s development through it, you have to go with it till the end. If you don’t keep clear track of your work, then you might change your mind halfway there, but you have already develop something, you can’t just stop there. 

Let’s put it this way. We are filming right now, we’re halfway the scene. Suddenly I take out a candle, and I put it on the desk. Would that affect the scene?”

“Yes, cause that would damage the continuity, if you want a candle on the table you should’ve put it there from the start because then we have to start  all over again”

“Exactly. I didn’t have quite clear what I wanted from the scene, so right at the middle, I decided something different. It is the same with stories. Have you watched How I Met Your Mother?”

“A couple of episodes”

“Well, they did something similar to it. You can ask every fan of the series, they love the series but they hate the end. They foreshadow something, that at the end didn’t happened. You sold something you couldn’t keep going. I want to know about what happened to his promise to her, I want to know what happened to make him give up on her, I want to know so many things that I don’t see here.

Also, the character development I see here is awful. The girl with the purple hair, in her biography says she couldn’t take care of her clan, family, because she was weak. Since that is left aside, practically, her development is cero. She stays the same from start, to end. If you bring a character to the spotlight you should then give them development. And if it’s development is getting the guy she wanted, then is poor, because, what changed in her? What can I take out of her character?

Same with the pink hair girl. At the end she ends up with a guy who hurt her, so she went full circle. She changed, but return to be the same. But I have more comments about her”

“But… the main character changed by not still loving the main girl, that isn’t development then?”

“Well, as I read, the line of this story was to surpass the past generations and get what they didn’t get. The main character didn’t accomplish his development because by not getting the girl, he practically repeated the same mistake his past generations did”

“So, what can you tell about this?”

“Even thou the development of the story ended hideous, I feel the case of this story is that, the writer left so many doors open, so in the end he could just enter whatever he wanted. That decision was taken later, that’s obvious. We saw how the feelings of the main girl for the other guy started to change, and we have many parallels, and we never saw his feelings changing, we just have a couple of momentos with someone else, but we never had some depth in them, so it’s normal to feel confused, but I think this is the case. Just like Harry Potter, JK stated a couple of years after ending the books she wished she could change the ending, and made hermione ended with harry. This guy had the time to change his decision, maybe he felt nostalgic for his characters, or maybe, as a comercial script, as I can see, they give what was more asked for. The possibilities were too many.

So you can understand me with this, let’s talk about the other main guy, he was a bad person, but he stated the only people he trusted was this three persons, which only one was a girl, and that girl was in love with him. So if his resolution was going to be something like having a family, the only person he could be was the main girl, since is the only girl who he consider important. But as well, his resolution was sudden, for the whole story he made clear he wasn’t interested, but he had a change of heart at the last minute. Is what I’m telling you about leaving an open door for everything, so he could end it any way he wanted. The ending is very ambiguous, we have little flashes of every characters, it is… incomplete. At least it would’ve been nice to see the relationships of the characters after so many years. I get they have kids, but I don’t get more of it. I don’t know how their relationships work now. That at least would have convinced me more, but sadly, it kind of leave me feeling incomplete.

My last comment would be… it was a very noble thing for the main character to left his love interest so his friend could be happy, cause that’s the only explanation I found. It was really noble for her to keep loving him even thou he was such a bad person. And for the other main character, he has the best character development, cause he was the only one that went through a true change. It could’ve done more with their characters, I would make the main character get the girl, and the other guy I would just left him alone and supporting his friends for once, cause it’s always their friends supporting him, for me it would have felt better, but it’s not my story, so I have nothing more else to say. It’s nice in its own way. Ambiguous, but somehow nice”.

So that’s that people. NS should not be disappointed, they have a whole journey. Naruto and Sakura have so many moments that you can repeat again and again. Naruto might be over, but not in our hearts. So keep drawing, and writing, and everything you want about NaruSaku!

Love you all!

 

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http://meekosfreedom...se-read-part-ii

Man, now I wish that I could've heard his response to the trainwreck that is Boruto.

[BlackShirtGuy]

 

...Yeah, no.

 

When you have the manga showing you something, several people predicting something, the Author confirming something, a Databook even pointing out development points all these sources are showing...

 

Yeah.

 

Not true. 

Just in case you didn't know, Predicting = good storytelling or development, I.E: Someone predicts the arrival of Kaguya to the series (the most hated villian, since it cames out of nowhere) , does that mean that is good storytelling, no. Same apply to SS and NH, said someone predicted Sai and Ino for example, even tough they only shared a moment and Ino was still crushing hard on Sasuke by that point.

BTW, all you just said could've applied to NS but that didn't happen.

[Wubbzy]

Too bad Naruto didn't have much of a leadership role throughout the manga. I think it would have been good for his character to be the leader of a group (not even his own group of genin, like just going on a mission with Naruto calling the shots). It would have really helped us see why he would make a good Hokage and help him improve for when he did become hokage.

[Legend054]

I stumbled across some rather old tumblr posts and I thought I share it here. Maybe some of you are still interested.

The user (Meeko) told her writing-class teacher (he practiced for ~27 years - so we can safely assume he has a lot of experience) about Naruto.
 
Here is his response:
 

Before the Ending

I was really confused about this NH suddenly happening just as all of you, so as a script/literature student for almost a year, and learning all about foreshadowing, character development, and plot treatment, I decided I should talk to someone who knew more than me.

I exposed this case (about NH in the last movie) to my professor, who has been a successful screen writer for 27 years, and his answer was.

“Well, if you want to get two characters together, you have to put them through a lot of situations, and make them feel everything, both sides, so you can explain why the bond is so strong. You can’t put two characters together which development is so poor, not even if the 3, or 4 moments they have had together are really meaningful. That’s only valid if you are writing a short film cause you don’t have a lot of time, but if the story is as long as you’re telling me, then you have no excuse. You have had plenty of time to put those character through more moments, and make a successful development. If you really intent to make this two characters end up together, then you should have give them more screen time”

the I asked him about the other character (Sakura) what was her case and he answered.

“ It means he really didn’t think it through, and he has wasted years of paper and ink developing this relationship for absolutely nothing. Why would you spend so much time developing a relationship if you really didn’t mean it? As a story maker you have to keep in mind that you have to make things clear for the viewers, because if you don’t, things like this happen. It’s like a new trend in marketing to leave a really open plot so the viewers can make their own conclusions, and watch just cause they want to know if they’re right, and they do this without even consulting the writer. That is called comercial script, and it’s ruining the industry, darling. But if in the end you tell me this girl who has been with the main character all the time, and it’s clearly the main female character, is not ending up with him, you’re telling me the writer of this story hasn’t been able to keep his story in line. He practically took a side character out of nowhere, and created a relationship that through the story was not even foreshadow. It’s bad writing”

I explain about Hinata’s love for Naruto. 

“And have the main character acknowledge this love?”

I told him about Pein Arc, and her confession. he asked me to see the pages of the manga, and I showed them to him.

“But then this confession was not mention again. When you write about several characters, you have to give each of them a resolution, or else it will  be unfinished. This girls confessions was sudden, and it was not mention again, so in my experience this is just to help the character get its resolution. If to the main character, or to the main plot this confession is supposed to be a game changer, or something important, then it should have been mention again. I can see the main female is there again, and as you can see, or at least what it seems is that the girl is uncomfortable. Sometimes we have to take side characters to do things like this, so main characters can realise their own truth. And it’s use really often. You see a lot of movies about someone who doesn’t realise he or she is in love with their best friend until the best friend is with someone else. So having this confession, and the only person to acknowledge that moment is the other girl, then the confession is only important to those girls. As i told you before, the side character needs its resolution about those feelings, and the main character needs to realise some things that are link to the confession”.

I explained that since then, Naruto and Hinata have a couple of moments, and I showed them to him as well.

“Okey, I can see your concern. As stories develop sometimes we create characters that we wish we would have seen more of. But as much as I watched about this character, the conclusion of every interaction they have (naruto and hinata) is the girl thinking the same thing. We never see him thinking about her, or about what she has done. In the case of the other girl (Sakura) we have both of them thinking about each other constantly. In this cases the side character (hinata) will have her own resolution thanks to the impact the main character have had on her, and the other two (sakura and naruto) are more likely to have a resolution together. You can decode this just by who they keep in their thoughts. The main character has been in love with the other girl (sakura) for the whole story, and it is constantly showed. You never get a hint that he is changing his mind, so it would not be logical for him to change his mind in the blink of an eye, and he’s the main character, he gets what he wants. In this kind of stories, he works his ass off, he gets what he wants, and the other characters learn from him”

So I asked him what about the movie and I tell him everything that is going on and he told me.

“Then it means that in the main story the writer couldn’t really find a right way to give this character her resolution, so he created the perfect situation for her to have it. If this story is linked to the main one, then it will has no sense with her ending up with the main character. By the plot of this side story, I can tell that what you will mainly see is the final impact the main character has had on her, and the writer will be able to develop her story successfully, but as I see it, and talking with my own experience, her resolution will not be ending by the side of the main character. She will go through her own personal journey, she will finally give him the scarf as a sign of that chapter of her life ending because she will know new things about herself”

I thanked him, and as I was leaving his office he said to me. 

“Remember that stories have to make more sense than real life. So, if you want two people to end up together, you have to constantly show how that bond gets stronger. In stories nothing just happens, so I highly doubt he will love the other girl out of nowhere, not after the writer has spend 15 years invested on the other relationship, it will be kind of crushing. Can you imagine it? Spending so much time with the one you love going through the same things, and suddenly having to forget him because someone else loves you?" 

"No, sir”

“Yeah. Keep me updated, you have made me curious”

“Course I will”

So yeah, Im keeping my high hopes, or else I will be pretty disappointed. I don’t want to end up feeling disappointed.

 

After the Ending

as a lot of people requested it, and here’s the update on what my professor thought of naruto’s end. But for other people’s request is not only as a NS perspective, but all of naruto. I hope this give you some peace, NS.

This time he has the whole profile of Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and Hinata. That way there’s no missing info.

“Okay, so main character, and main female don’t end together”

“No”

“But then, there was this third love interest, which is pretty close to a main character”

“Yup”

“Okay, in the narrative there’s actually a lot of stuff missing. There are wholes everywhere. First of all, foreshawing. He used some kind of foreshadowing but for absolute nothing. You have literal examples of why the main guy, and the pink haired girl would end up together. They spend all of their time together which following basic rules, would’ve lead to them ending up together. You remember the little notebook that I made each of you in my class have?”

“Yes”

“If I make you write every detail about a story is because these kind of things. When you develop a story, the circumstances in your life will change, and that will make your perceptions of your life change. If in your story your main interest is to make something happen, you have to make everything for it to happen. You have to foreshadow, develop the plot, everything for it to be obvious to happen. If you develop a relationship, and at the same time intended to create the character’s development through it, you have to go with it till the end. If you don’t keep clear track of your work, then you might change your mind halfway there, but you have already develop something, you can’t just stop there. 

Let’s put it this way. We are filming right now, we’re halfway the scene. Suddenly I take out a candle, and I put it on the desk. Would that affect the scene?”

“Yes, cause that would damage the continuity, if you want a candle on the table you should’ve put it there from the start because then we have to start  all over again”

“Exactly. I didn’t have quite clear what I wanted from the scene, so right at the middle, I decided something different. It is the same with stories. Have you watched How I Met Your Mother?”

“A couple of episodes”

“Well, they did something similar to it. You can ask every fan of the series, they love the series but they hate the end. They foreshadow something, that at the end didn’t happened. You sold something you couldn’t keep going. I want to know about what happened to his promise to her, I want to know what happened to make him give up on her, I want to know so many things that I don’t see here.

Also, the character development I see here is awful. The girl with the purple hair, in her biography says she couldn’t take care of her clan, family, because she was weak. Since that is left aside, practically, her development is cero. She stays the same from start, to end. If you bring a character to the spotlight you should then give them development. And if it’s development is getting the guy she wanted, then is poor, because, what changed in her? What can I take out of her character?

Same with the pink hair girl. At the end she ends up with a guy who hurt her, so she went full circle. She changed, but return to be the same. But I have more comments about her”

“But… the main character changed by not still loving the main girl, that isn’t development then?”

“Well, as I read, the line of this story was to surpass the past generations and get what they didn’t get. The main character didn’t accomplish his development because by not getting the girl, he practically repeated the same mistake his past generations did”

“So, what can you tell about this?”

“Even thou the development of the story ended hideous, I feel the case of this story is that, the writer left so many doors open, so in the end he could just enter whatever he wanted. That decision was taken later, that’s obvious. We saw how the feelings of the main girl for the other guy started to change, and we have many parallels, and we never saw his feelings changing, we just have a couple of momentos with someone else, but we never had some depth in them, so it’s normal to feel confused, but I think this is the case. Just like Harry Potter, JK stated a couple of years after ending the books she wished she could change the ending, and made hermione ended with harry. This guy had the time to change his decision, maybe he felt nostalgic for his characters, or maybe, as a comercial script, as I can see, they give what was more asked for. The possibilities were too many.

So you can understand me with this, let’s talk about the other main guy, he was a bad person, but he stated the only people he trusted was this three persons, which only one was a girl, and that girl was in love with him. So if his resolution was going to be something like having a family, the only person he could be was the main girl, since is the only girl who he consider important. But as well, his resolution was sudden, for the whole story he made clear he wasn’t interested, but he had a change of heart at the last minute. Is what I’m telling you about leaving an open door for everything, so he could end it any way he wanted. The ending is very ambiguous, we have little flashes of every characters, it is… incomplete. At least it would’ve been nice to see the relationships of the characters after so many years. I get they have kids, but I don’t get more of it. I don’t know how their relationships work now. That at least would have convinced me more, but sadly, it kind of leave me feeling incomplete.

My last comment would be… it was a very noble thing for the main character to left his love interest so his friend could be happy, cause that’s the only explanation I found. It was really noble for her to keep loving him even thou he was such a bad person. And for the other main character, he has the best character development, cause he was the only one that went through a true change. It could’ve done more with their characters, I would make the main character get the girl, and the other guy I would just left him alone and supporting his friends for once, cause it’s always their friends supporting him, for me it would have felt better, but it’s not my story, so I have nothing more else to say. It’s nice in its own way. Ambiguous, but somehow nice”.

So that’s that people. NS should not be disappointed, they have a whole journey. Naruto and Sakura have so many moments that you can repeat again and again. Naruto might be over, but not in our hearts. So keep drawing, and writing, and everything you want about NaruSaku!

Love you all!

 

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That's a well thought out analysis for someone who never read Naruto and had few details to work with. Kudos to the professor for even taking his time to give his analysis on Naruto's relationships.

[lupina]

I find this funny, since her Professor said things we here on H/E were pointing out for years - and we DID have the full script.

 

What I liked most about his assessment:

 

- He pointed out that 3-4 Scenes, even if they were meaningful, are not nearly enough to develope a bond/relationship in a Series with over 700 chapters

 

- The conclusion of every Scene where Naruto and Hinata were directly involved had the same outcome: Hinata fantasicing about her Feelings for Naruto. We never see Naruto thinking about her, what she has done and what this means for him. Never. On the other Hand we have Naruto and Sakura, who are constantly thinking about each other.

 

- Stories have to make more sense than Real life (I remember People here saying: "oh, things like this just happen naturally" or "crushes are faiding over time" to excuse missing foreshadowing/hints/developement)

 

 

You don't need the full script to see how bad the Ending/conclusion was, really. He said that Kishimoto (the writer) just left many doors open, and at the end, he could just end it any way he wanted.

That's exactly how I felt when I heard that Naruto was ending in 5 chapters. Nothing really was resolved.

[Yyubie]

^

[lupina]

Man, now I wish that I could've heard his response to the trainwreck that is Boruto.

 

He'd probably say: Commercial Script 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Too bad Naruto didn't have much of a leadership role throughout the manga. I think it would have been good for his character to be the leader of a group (not even his own group of genin, like just going on a mission with Naruto calling the shots). It would have really helped us see why he would make a good Hokage and help him improve for when he did become hokage.

Another unfortunate show of Naruto not being ready to be even a Chunin, much less Kage.

Naruto only showed "charisma", not "leadership". We never see him actually truly taking command of a situation, giving orders, coming up with plans or strategies, making strategic withdrawals, or anything that you would expect from a leader. All he has shown is, again, charisma and brute power. Sadly, as history in real life has shown, people do tend to flock behind those who demonstrate only such things and it usually doesn't turn out well for them in the long run.

[lupina]

 

 

Naruto only showed "charisma", not "leadership". We never see him actually truly taking command of a situation, giving orders, coming up with plans or strategies, making strategic withdrawals, or anything that you would expect from a leader. 

 

I was hoping to see such developement in "The Last". Naruto learning how to be a true leader, with the help (for a change, lol) of his friends, and Sakura. A more mature story. 

Not that childish, unreasonable romantic ... yeah, whatever. 

 

To be honest - I would have a couple of idead for a plot like this. 

[BlackShirtGuy]

Looking at this series now, it's nothing more than wasted potential written all over it:

-They foreshadowed Naruto doing something about the cycle of hatred (even if not solve the problem , at least tackle it and recognize it) , plotpoint got dropped and never again talked about.

-They foreshadowed that the shinobi system needed change, lots of the antagonists were fighting because they wanted to change the current state of the world, we get again no resolution and as the chap 700 just shows "history repeats itself"

-They foreshadowed doing things differently this time in the leaf village, the truth of the Uchiha massacre is still in the shadows and the problems within the clan Hyuuga never resolved,  aside from lots of others things get dropped and never solved.

-They showed how Sakura was developing in a different/better person, who didn't wanted her memories of the past hold her back and be a nuinsance to other people just because she once loved someone who became a criminal douchebag, she reverts to her fangirl state at the VERY last moment, as if nothing ever happened, her "journey" was completely meaningles I really wish Sasuke would've ended her if they always planned THIS for her.

-We were told initially that fate and destiny don't matter, what's matter is who you really are, what you work to archive and the path you take, turns out every "special" person is destinied to be so since birth and the avareges hard working ones always will get the short end of the stick, #NejiWasRight

-We were told Naruto truly cared about people and since his childhood, could see what people were truly feeling , we were told he was really in love with his teammate, turns out his "love" was just a stupid rivalry game, that he himself developed just to win a piss contest with his rival.

-We were told Naruto would bring change, but... the future refused to change.

Edited by BlackShirtGuy, 19 August 2017 - 01:18 AM.

[gamma]

 

How in the world did he summon a chidori using such bs hand signs???

Edited by gamma, 19 August 2017 - 02:06 AM.

[Yyubie]

 

How in the world did he summon a chidori using such bs hand signs???

Anything to make him look badass , cool , handsome , strong , to make his fans orgasm .... why not?

[Bail o' Lies]

 

How in the world did he summon a chidori using such bs hand signs???

To be honest by this point should he be skilled enough with lighting elemental manipulation that he shouldn't even need hand signs to activate his power. He didn't need to before in part two. So why does he need to now?

[gamma]

To be honest by this point should he be skilled enough with lighting elemental manipulation that he shouldn't even need hand signs to activate his power. He didn't need to before in part two. So why does he need to now?

 

It looked so silly to me when I saw it, lol. I loved the actual meaning/symbolism behind the signs. Like so:

 

 

But I guess your right... 

[VanitasDS76491]

Another unfortunate show of Naruto not being ready to be even a Chunin, much less Kage.
Naruto only showed "charisma", not "leadership". We never see him actually truly taking command of a situation, giving orders, coming up with plans or strategies, making strategic withdrawals, or anything that you would expect from a leader. All he has shown is, again, charisma and brute power. Sadly, as history in real life has shown, people do tend to flock behind those who demonstrate only such things and it usually doesn't turn out well for them in the long run.

You magnificent bastard, I read your book. I only used that when leadership decision are beyond stupid and Naruto does that.

Looking at this series now, it's nothing more than wasted potential written all over it:
-They foreshadowed Naruto doing something about the cycle of hatred (even if not solve the problem , at least tackle it and recognize it) , plotpoint got dropped and never again talked about.
-They foreshadowed that the shinobi system needed change, lots of the antagonists were fighting because they wanted to change the current state of the world, we get again no resolution and as the chap 700 just shows "history repeats itself"
-They foreshadowed doing things differently this time in the leaf village, the truth of the Uchiha massacre is still in the shadows and the problems within the clan Hyuuga never resolved,  aside from lots of others things get dropped and never solved.
-They showed how Sakura was developing in a different/better person, who didn't wanted her memories of the past hold her back and be a nuinsance to other people just because she once loved someone who became a criminal douchebag, she reverts to her fangirl state at the VERY last moment, as if nothing ever happened, her "journey" was completely meaningles I really wish Sasuke would've ended her if they always planned THIS for her.
-We were told initially that fate and destiny don't matter, what's matter is who you really are, what you work to archive and the path you take, turns out every "special" person is destinied to be so since birth and the avareges hard working ones always will get the short end of the stick, #NejiWasRight
-We were told Naruto truly cared about people and since his childhood, could see what people were truly feeling , we were told he was really in love with his teammate, turns out his "love" was just a stupid rivalry game, that he himself developed just to win a piss contest with his rival.
-We were told Naruto would bring change, but... the future refused to change.

Neji was so right on destiny, hell power rangers, Prince of persia, yugioh gx, did defining destiny thing better especially power Ranger time force which was the message if the season. Hell naruto is Timmy from secret of nimh 2 where they worship him when he hasn't done anything.
So it seems like anytime naruto and Sasuke do anything with each other it's a kitten measuring contest. And now everyone in konoha is probably all dead.