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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:15 PM

Hey if the creator thinks the only thing worth mentioning about the MC's love interest are her tat-tats :lmao:  it means the relationship had nothing to begin with right? :roll:

 

I don't remember who was looking for it but here is the link to the interview translation where Kishimoto brings up Hinata's melons.

 

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I copy and pasted the gist of it, but check the link to see for yourselves.

 

Interviewer: “Who is your favourite character in Naruto?”

 

>Taniguchi: “It’s Hinata.”

 

>Kishimoto: “Eh, you like big-breasted girls?” (laugh)

 

>Taniguchi: “It’s not that.” (laugh) “I like the fact that at the beginning she was a weakling, but due to Naruto’s influence she steadily became strong.”

 

>Kishimoto: “That’s because Hinata doesn’t stand at the main character’s side like normal heroines*… she’s the type that watches him from the shadows.

 

>Interviewer: “I thought the heroine was Sakura?”

 

>Kishimoto: “That’s right. But Sakura is addicted to Sasuke.” (laugh) “The reason why Hinata came to like Naruto is clear, but I’ve deliberately avoided writing down the reason why Sakura came to like Sasuke.” (laugh) “That’s because somehow, I had the feeling that it would conversely end up sounding contrived.

 

Oh Jeez!  :no:


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:20 PM

Not sure if it's the same interview, but on a sidenote Kishi actually says Sakura is addicted to Sasuke, not that she loves him. Doesn't seem too healthy to me.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:26 PM

You can argue this was done -badly-, or that it's poorly executed. But the intention is decisively as I am stating it is, in that the fact of the world is that there is no romantic NS, and that it was never intended by the author. Thought about, but ultimately he stuck with the plan. (Source: Interviews). 

 

how do you know it was merely just crush? naruto made it perfectly clearly he liked sakura very much. that's considered romantic love.
was naruto  sexually attracted to sakura? yes. did he try to kiss her? yes,
it was the only romantic initiation in the manga. does naruto
admire sakura as a strong person? yes so his love for her is not shallow. 
in some episodes in the anime naruto is shown dreaming about sakura. his
love for sakura is not platonic as you say. i don't know how this doesn't work
for kishi. 

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:56 PM

 

 

how do you know it was merely just crush? naruto made it perfectly clearly he liked sakura very much. that's considered romantic love.
was naruto  sexually attracted to sakura? yes. did he try to kiss her? yes,
it was the only romantic initiation in the manga. does naruto
admire sakura as a strong person? yes so his love for her is not shallow. 
in some episodes in the anime naruto is shown dreaming about sakura. his
love for sakura is not platonic as you say. i don't know how this doesn't work
for kishi. 

 

 

That part actually reminds me of this:

 

 

 

It's pitched a bit I believe, but that Saaakkuuuraaa-chan always gets me!  :D


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:06 PM

 

That part actually reminds me of this:

 

 

 

It's pitched a bit I believe, but that Saaakkuuuraaa-chan always gets me!  :D

 

yeah that's the one  :yes:


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:09 PM

Even the writer refers to Hinata as big-breast character. Shows how much he didn't thought about her in the story.

 

Watch how Analyzer will get triggered by this interview :P


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:16 PM

It's that time of the month again everyone of showcasing the greatness of Renew Your Vows compared to the "next generation" in Naruto. 

 

 

 

So  lets take a look at the situation in this latest issues between Normie (Son of Harry) and Annie (Daughter of Peter) *no it's not shipping related*   

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Now you see this actually makes sense because Normie actually feels alone, and you can understand his reasonings behind cause one his dad's dead and two his mother's doesn't have time to spend with him.  Annie even calls him out on this too.

 

 

Boruto has no excuse for his particular fits cause okay yes his dad doesn't have time for him, but that shouldn't be like the end of the world for him. I mean the dude's still got his mother and his little sister. Sure it's fine now, but it's still really pointless.

 

 

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:22 PM

 

 

how do you know it was merely just crush? naruto made it perfectly clearly he liked sakura very much. that's considered romantic love.
was naruto  sexually attracted to sakura? yes. did he try to kiss her? yes,
it was the only romantic initiation in the manga. does naruto
admire sakura as a strong person? yes so his love for her is not shallow. 
in some episodes in the anime naruto is shown dreaming about sakura. his
love for sakura is not platonic as you say. i don't know how this doesn't work
for kishi. 

 

Naruto shows no characteristics whatsoever that what he felt was a crush. He moved on, from his great love and found the next best thing.

 

And that is not a tragic lovestory like the titanic, it's a business cashgrab and nothing more. To me, that makes it easier not to be sad about it. The decision was made for our world, not theirs.

Even the writer refers to Hinata as big-breast character. Shows how much he didn't thought much about her in the story.

 

Watch how Analyzer will get triggered by this interview :P

Considering she reads them like the frickin' bible, it'll be fun to see. :zaru:

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Question, why is the anime and boruto manga not following the movie's chronological order? There's no point ending the boruto movie on a positive note,(when it comes to naruto spending time with his fam) if the anime and manga are just gonna revert boruto back to the bratty agressive kid he was before. We'll never see growth with this back and forth all the time.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:30 PM

Good god! I don't recall Tsunade having THAT much paperwork! 



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:31 PM

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:04 PM

It's that time of the month again everyone of showcasing the greatness of Renew Your Vows compared to the "next generation" in Naruto. 
 
 
 
So  lets take a look at the situation in this latest issues between Normie (Son of Harry) and Annie (Daughter of Peter) *no it's not shipping related*   
RCO012.jpg
 
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Now you see this actually makes sense because Normie actually feels alone, and you can understand his reasonings behind cause one his dad's dead and two his mother's doesn't have time to spend with him.  Annie even calls him out on this too.
 
 
Boruto has no excuse for his particular fits cause okay yes his dad doesn't have time for him, but that shouldn't be like the end of the world for him. I mean the dude's still got his mother and his little sister. Sure it's fine now, but it's still really pointless.
 
 
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I was wondering when you were going to do this and this one really highlights how bad naruto is and how spiderman can bounce back from a kitten that ruined him, sort of. I might pick up this comic, by the way what was that darth vader comic you posted a while ago from that showed vader mind after episode 3 were obi-wanting tossed him in the lava and anakin came out as vader? I'd like to know so I can read it.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:26 PM

1: I recall those conversations. Nothing was detailed in regards to "countless amount of teasing". I am making this statement to make a point, that it -really- is not as much as anyone think it is. I am happy to be proven wrong. You made the statement, you should be able to back up your claim. 
 
 
 
2: There's nothing wrong with them changing their mind, but I want to present what they are saying: What if, they did as they said, and stuck with their original plan? The interviews don't really contradict, they all say that NH was the plan in some shape or form, regardless of how you beat at the wording. I would challenge that the NS relationship is even in constant "development". There are a lot of individual character developments, but the relationship itself never strays from close friendship. It grows from Sakura's animosity to that, and that is beautiful dev. It could have gone further, but the text shuts that down long before the end. Further, Naruto and Hinata did know eachother before the Chuunin Exams, and the fall was not sudden. Take in the understanding of the Last and you will understand it takes course through the manga. The chapter count is completely off, mind, but development does not take excessive quantity either. 
 
- : Yes, the reason is stated and shown in chapter 3, born of rivalry and prettiness. There really isn't much else to it in it's introduction. 
- : This is blatantly false, we know Sasuke -does- care about Team 7. Team Hebi reminds them of him. It is something he cares about, but it is nothing something he allows himself, due to his goals. 
 
3: It is not an interpretation? It's supported by her words. She admires him because of how he faces his flaws and failures, that he preservers, thematically endures. He's not the bravado or strong faced that he seems. He -does- have doubts, and insecurities. She acknowledges those things, that he is not perfect. And not everyone actually -does- see that at this point. They see that later, but not at this time. 
 

 
1. I can't belive I'm doing this. 
 

... really.

 

(I'm to lazy to search pictures for the Databook Entrys now - maybe someone can help out here. )
 
- "At the beginning", "From the middle", "Quite some time ago" do all point at different periods of time, therefore contradict each other. (Just in case: If you are planning something, you have to decide to do it first. The nature of "Planning" neccesarily involves a decision.)
 
- Sakuras feelings for Naruto with supposed "unknown" wherabouts: See above + Databook Entrys.

 

- Since Hinata and Naruto are classmates, yes, it is very likely that they have "known" each other before the Chuunin Exams. Since she was described as "A weirdo who looks away when I look at her" and as a "shy and dark girl", I'm sure she and Naruto had a lot of meaningful deep conversations before that point and a lot of off-panel bonding time.

 

- "Naruto loves Sakura because she is pretty" (I actually said chapter 3. This was false information on my part. Sorry about that.)

 

No.

 

- Let me rewrite this: Sasuke saw Team 7 as his family. He didn't have any romantic interest in Sakura, what makes it pointless for Naruto to go for Sakura because of rivaly reasons, since Sasuke dosen't even treasure her that way. 


Edited by lupina, 21 September 2017 - 11:29 PM.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:26 PM

I think it was the first Marvel Darth Vader series around issues 22-24



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:20 AM

Because that's what we are told, really. 

 

I think the rest ignores that these things can happen in a friendship and -not- be more. 

 

The Anime is a poor source (For really any of the pairings), if we are going to include fillers, as it can definitely get things wrong. 

 

nowhere in the manga does it say that. in fact we are told from the very beginning that naruto loves sakura. i don't know how you could be a narusaku fan if you don't see that


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:33 AM

@analyzer

 

Naruto shows no characteristics whatsoever that what he felt was a crush. He moved on, from his great love and found the next best thing.

 

And that is not a tragic lovestory like the titanic, it's a business cashgrab and nothing more. To me, that makes it easier not to be sad about it. The decision was made for our world, not theirs.

Considering she reads them like the frickin' bible, it'll be fun to see. :zaru:


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:45 AM

 

nowhere in the manga does it say that. in fact we are told from the very beginning that naruto loves sakura. i don't know how you could be a narusaku fan if you don't see that

 

Quite honestly because she isn't. Nothing in her actions makes me believe her, and actions speak louder than words. The same way I can go to a NH or SS website and bash those pairings but still claim I'm pro NH or pro SS. Anyone can say anything really, a world of dishonesty. 

 

Because that's what we are told, really. 

I think the rest ignores that these things can happen in a friendship and -not- be more. 

The Anime is a poor source (For really any of the pairings), if we are going to include fillers, as it can definitely get things wrong. 

 

I know the comment is a joke, as well as the Sakura is addicted to Sasuke part. Neither comment bothers me. Just Kishi's sardonic humor at play. 

 

This is why I would argue that NS has next to no romantic dev. 

 

 

It's things like this that make my faith in humanity even more of a joke. You'd think the fact that Kishi mentions such a thing and laughs about it would make it even worse.

 

So if Kishi says something that sounds favorable you take his words set in stone. But if it's something that's not your cup of team it's just his "sardonic humor at play". Ok gotcha!  :sleepy:


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 03:53 AM

It's that time of the month again everyone of showcasing the greatness of Renew Your Vows compared to the "next generation" in Naruto. 

 

 

 

So  lets take a look at the situation in this latest issues between Normie (Son of Harry) and Annie (Daughter of Peter) *no it's not shipping related*   

RCO012.jpg

 

RCO013.jpg

 

 

RCO020_w.jpg

 

 

Now you see this actually makes sense because Normie actually feels alone, and you can understand his reasonings behind cause one his dad's dead and two his mother's doesn't have time to spend with him.  Annie even calls him out on this too.

 

 

Boruto has no excuse for his particular fits cause okay yes his dad doesn't have time for him, but that shouldn't be like the end of the world for him. I mean the dude's still got his mother and his little sister. Sure it's fine now, but it's still really pointless.

 

 

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And the few times we see Boruto's mom (lol) actually try to do something, what does Boruto do? Throw another fit and storm out of the house. (And then people are suddenly expected to believe that he thinks she's "scary"?)


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 04:20 AM

 

Naruto does have feelings from the beginning. That is not being argued. What is being stated is that these feelings do not develop to deep romantic love, not the love you mean, and they fade.

 

They certainly could have, and Sakura's could have toward's Naruto, and we would have had the NS story we wanted. But they didn't. And that's fine, Kishimoto's decision and all that. I don't have any qualms with it.

 

He always had that strong romantic love for Sakura. It was evident in the  manga because he was deeply hurt when he saw Sakura hugging Sasuke at the hospital and when he realized
how much Sakura truly loves Sasuke when she was begging him to bring Sasuke back. Naruto loved Sakura the same way Minato loves Kushina. Obviously they didn't go through with it.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:00 AM

And the few times we see Boruto's mom (lol) actually try to do something, what does Boruto do? Throw another fit and storm out of the house. (And then people are suddenly expected to believe that he thinks she's "scary"?)


Ya that stuff with in bolts anime as"scary" contradicts her reaction in the movie when her son called his father out on his crap and all she did was weep like she always does.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:40 AM

The Databooks do not state that Sakura's feelings change into love though. They only at most tease, but as the manga confirms, which is a better source than the databooks yes, that these feelings do not change into love. 
 

 
1: Except it is not only looks, it is both elements at play. Chapter 3's actions are literally because of rivalry. 
 
2: You are misunderstanding. He wants Sakura to acknowledge him instead of Sasuke. It's a selfish thing not precedated on haha, I beat you Sasuke, more, hey, pick me, look at me, I'm better! It's not about taking part of Sasuke's fanbase. It all centers around acknowledgement. 
 
3: Because we aren't really debating about logic/quality, more narrative intent. You are proposing Chapter 3 and the Last clash, I am trying to get you to understand that perhaps they do not.
 
Which is where my message comes in: Instead of trying to look for holes that typically aren't there, see if you can understand what you missed. Maybe there is a hole, but with a significant portion and the author able to point it out? Likely not.

Back to square one u said manga confirms whereas it doesn't its your interpretation and please don't bring chapter from the 600s.




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