Villains in stories often and should be challenges to hero beyond the physical whether that be emotional, psychological, or ideological. This is often done by the villain being a dark reflection of the hero; often of a certain trait to both challenge and warn the hero.

In the latest chapter of the Mirai manga it made pretty clear the Ryuki is a dark reflection of Mirai's dissatisfaction of the current era. That they, by living in an era of peace are unable to match the generation that came before them.

In Kotor II: The Sith Lords. The Titular Villains, the Sith Lords, are a dark reflection of the heroine the Jedi Exile. The Jedi Exile was a general in the Mandalorian War with an innate talent to create force bonds to strengthen her, during the final battle of the war she was betrayed by her leader, Darth Revan, by being order to activate a doomsday weapon the Mass Shadow Generator, the backlash of the mass death happening all at once made her cut herself off from the Force, but she in the game comes back defeats the Sith and her students go on to restore the Jedi Order that lasted for nearly 4000 years after her death. Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger, was an extreme of her relying on her force bond power to feed off others for strength; he became so consumed by his own power, he consumed his own body, and had to bind himself to his armor to survive. Darth Sion, Lord of Pain, is a dark reflection of her relying on the force to sustain herself; he became a walking corpse that could only survive by the Force. Darth Traya, Lord of Betrayal, both were betrayed by the Sith and exiled by the Jedi; Traya all the Jedi she trained followed Revan and fell to the darkside, she trained the other two lords in how to use their power which led to being consumed by their power, then betraying her, and she trained the Exile for revenge. Beyond the Exile, no other student survive to pass on her teaching leading them to mostly die with her beyond what the Exile taught to the Jedi. As Traya is the final boss she therefor is the greatest of the dark reflections of the Exile. IE Darth Revan's betrayal or in the game desire for revenge against the Jedi Council for exiling her was the greatest danger that could have led to her falling to the darkside. 

Back to Naruto. As Obito is Naruto's greatest dark reflection he represents what is the greatest danger of what could make Naruto fall. Sakura's death at the hands of Sasuke. Why is that? Because, until the last moment of the manga, he was in love with her! That's why Naruto understood and forgave him. Without Naruto's love of Sakura, the story doesn't work.

The only defense of Naruto forgiving Obito is in the manga. When he having the tug of war of the tailed beast. Naruto sees Obito's past and Rin causing him to shed a tear. Hinting that he understood why Obito did what he did and ended up forgiving him. Granted clearly Kishimoto should have been more blatant.

Where are all my peeps are at? Firefox, Milan, TXD Princess Iris... 

 

 

 

Milan still around the other two haven't posted here since last year.

Ah yes, those fics...

 

I really can't stand that revenge fulfillment/power fantasy garbage since it requires everyone to be grossly out of character and expects us to root for Naruto when he becomes a psychopathic PoS that puts Orochimaru to shame.  Oh, and Hinata is always naturally immune because "she always had Naruto's back.", even when she hid in the shadows and did nothing as he was "abused".

I honestly avoid Naruto Hinata fics because of those, because they are all the same. Same, whining. Same, oh woe is me. Same no one has suffered as I have suffer. Same vindictive petty sadistic bloodlust. Same harem of characters the writer clearly lusts after.

Hinata often becomes his second who wipes out the rest of the village (down to the infants in their pleading mother's arms) while he goes after those that personally wronged him; mainly Sakura. And defeats easily while ranting and complaining.

If it came to me and writing a role reversal story of Naruto being the bad guy and sasuke being good.8 honestly don't think Hinata would have any relevancy at all especially her infatuation with Naruto too.

I do however see Sakura gaining a huge major role and growth out of it though.

In that putting all that high of a pedestal on Sasuke really set off the edge and he just needed someone to understand him and feel welcome.

I could even see it where it breaks her crush phase. On sasuke too.

If we honestly look at Hinata. She would be a lesser Sakura. Instead of chasing after him or trying to bring him back. She would just lament him turning evil, going "Naruto-kun," and do nothing else. Granted her fans will still defend her if that happened because double standards.

I recall bringing this up to Lucky a few years ago when Shounen jump had that red string of fate manga. But, I have notice that WSJ manga tend to be more blatant with their couples since Naruto ended. Either, they were very clear who the love interest is, or they avoid that all together.

People worried about another mangaka becoming another Kishimoto need to remember that; they don't want to turn into another Kishimoto. Kishimoto was once the second of third biggest name in the shounen manga industry.

Now look at him.

He is a glorified editor/assistant in the sequel to his own manga, and its failing. We may not know fully what happened to Naruto, but it is likely an open secret and a warning in Shueisha; don't let your editors dictate something as minor yet important as the end parings.

Reflecting on the pairing and on how Naruto's final couples turned out a bit. I really, truly could have lived with NaruHina if there had been any effort at all in the last stretch of the manga to solidify it. In a way, I feel like that pairing may have been done even dirtier than NaruSaku. That ship was realized, only for it to have been realized in such an underwhelming way. It just feels hollow, empty. A shell of a shell.

 

For NaruSaku's case, I remember people here defending this scene to death, but...that false confession scene, in retrospect, really was the overture to NaruSaku's downfall. Not because it made the ship impossible, or even because it was a bad idea or strategy (Sakura's motivation behind it makes perfect sense, as does Naruto's reaction), but because Kishimoto just did not handle it with tact. And the fact that he didn't communicates something in its own, I think. In execution it came off much more as emotional manipulation than it did a desperate (and maybe even a little honest?) play, the latter of which being the more compelling and sympathetic way to write it. And the follow-up on Sakura's end from that point onward left a lot to be desired.

 

Sakura was done so dirty. This subject has been beaten to death, but god, it's true. I think the biggest reason I would say I'd ship NaruSaku now would be that the further Sakura is from Sasuke, the better. I could have lived with NaruHina, but SasuSaku? No. That's the ship that stung the most. And while I've grown numb to it now, with Boruto becoming as much of a meme presence as it has, that ship and the way it was forcibly made canon, barging on through every toxic wall it could on its way there... it'll always astound me.

 

I don't know if NaruSaku's positive elements as a ship were accidental. If Kishimoto accidentally wrote a healthier partnership than the obvious side ones he'd been bluntly, one-sidedly teasing. Part of me thinks it might have been. Considering how Kishimoto wrote many female characters, and how the writing of the romance in all aspects turned out... maybe NaruHina and SasuSaku had been the intention all along, and he'd written them the only way he knew how. One-sided crushes. Re-emphasized, over long periods of time. Maybe we were looking for a nuanced romantic relationship in a series that was determined to have superficial ones. Maybe we were hoping for too much, and the series had been more honest than we wanted it to be.

 

I'll always long for what NaruSaku could have been - scratch that, what Sakura could have been. We'll never get it. But what a nice dream it was. What a nice dream it will be for us, forever, somewhere buried deep in us.

 

The real NaruSaku was unironically the friends we made along the way.

nH as a concept isn't that much of a problem a shy girl gets with the boy she likes. The major problems with it were. 1) It was too underdeveloped to become the main pairing more importantly to become the focus of the ending and there after. It just never had the build up that would allow it to handle the burden. The Last and how they handle and presented the pairing to the audience was the biggest mistake they could have done. 2) NS was too developed and integral to the story in comparison to just be thrown away like that. For example, the only way Naruto's forgiveness of Obito can make any sense is because he understand Obito's reaction to Rin's death as he loves Sakura just as much as Obito loves Rin.

Kishimoto handling of the false confession and apparently how his editors told him how the fans reacted to it. Damaged NS chances of happening but it would have likely still happened if not for an additional 6 years of gaslighting to convince him to drop her in favor of Hinata. Ideally, after the arc Naruto and Sakura should of had a conversation where they talked about their feelings and made it clear to both themselves and the audiences. Naruto loves Sakura, but is willing to step aside to let her be happy with Sasuke. Sakura cares deeply for Naruto, but she still has strong feelings for Sasuke despite all that has happened due to the forehead comment.

Sakura has been in an awkward situation since they tried to throw her away. As they quickly realized that Hinata is not popular enough to hold up the franchise. So they have to use Sakura despite a lot of people working on Naruto-Boruto hating her. But, she also has to be kept as far away from Naruto as possible so no one notice how they have such natural chemistry. Now its known she is the third most popular Naruto character, most popular main character, and most popular female character in the world. As for SS what you didn't see their side manga? Where we learned their relationship can be summed up as Sakura: "Sasuke, you will love me or I will use edo tensei on you."

The thing is, Kishimoto didn't realize he was even teasing. Since, he never interacted with his fanbase till maybe after the ending. NS was always what he intended, while SS was a relationship he hated, and he barely knew nH was even a thing.

What is an underrated NS scene no one talks about?

Pick a scene. Most of the fanbase ignores all of them.

Having just recently watched most of the podcast we pretty much interrupted each other quite a lot and I probably got agitated because I felt singled out for that.

To be honest I wasn't really enthusiastic on this topic as I don't really think Naruto would go evil unless Iruka tried to kill Naruto in chapter 1, because once he makes the bonds with team 7 I don't see that changing unless you do some injustice scenario and the majority of team 7 is dead

There are several ways Naruto could become evil. That is why he has so many dark reflections. Iruka being one, Sasuke death being another, and Sakura being killed is the biggest. That's why Obito is Naruto ultimate dark reflection.

Honestly, a moment that doesn't get talked about enough is when she first showed signs of an unconscious, burgeoning attraction towards Naruto when he showed his determination to take on a missing-nin like Zabuza and began strategizing on how to defeat him with Sasuke. This is arguably the first time that she seriously acknowledged that he was more than just a class clown and an idiot, which caused her to blush and her heart to skip a beat, with her pondering what she was feeling in that moment.

She in the manga was also impressed when Naruto launched his Shadow Clone Surprise attack against Kakashi.

The impression I have of Sakura is I feel she likes cool/calm confident capable men. In other words, the opposite of her goofy father. This is why she likes Sasuke, as she likes his cold attitude as he is less likely to be goofy, and he normally only doing something when he can succeed which makes him seem very confident/capable. She normally has a fond or swooning expression when she sees Naruto is doing something impressive: the shadow clone against Kakashi, getting his headband back from Zabuza, and being informed by Sasuke the Naruto was the one who rescued her from Gaara. But, Naruto being Naruto he does something stupid that ruins the moment and she thinks of him as an idiot. The first time she was ever critical of Sasuke while praising Naruto, was during the fight with Orochimaru. Where Naruto was fighting, while Sasuke was cowering. Which she chastised him into action...of course this finally impress Orochimaru enough to give Sasuke the curse seal.

You can also see it during their reunion at the start of part 2, where Sakura was swooning over how amazing Naruto had become; before he ruined it with the sexy jutsu, 

Honestly, the two event that could be changed that would make Sakura fall for Naruto much quicker is. Remove Naruto transforming into Sasuke to compliment her forehead as that convinced her Sasuke must have hidden feeling for her, and have Naruto not ruin their reunion at the start of part two. Do those two things, and they'd probably be dating by the end of the month.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that Luffy and Nami are a possibility because I doubt Oda is going to go against the well established rule in Shonen that the girls get to decide who they marry.

 

We have too many examples of that we can go through in Shonen where the girl gets with the guy she liked. Ever since Naruto ended I have just assumed that will be the case going forward for any series.

 

So if it's going to be anyone with Luffy I think it will still be Boa, because I don't think Oda has the guts to her be rejected in the end. Where things stand now with their relationship doesn't matter; the only thing that matters is what Oda decides to do at the very end, and it will be easier for him to write Luffy accepting Boa than any other option.

I think it likely if the end pairings becomes an issue Oda will just avoid it all together. He was seen what has happened to his colleagues. He stated in interview before he doesn't want to focus on romance too much.

A question I want to ask all of you if you were the writer of Naruto, when would you have Naruto and Sakura hook up if you didn't have to place it at the ending?

The problem is that the set up for the pairing is the Bench scene and the forehead comment was always made to hold off them getting together till near the end if not the end.

So there always has to be this moment. Sakura asks Sasuke about the forehead comment. Sasuke realizes that was Naruto and explains what happened that day. Sakura goes in to some sort of state of shock and confusion. A third party most likely Kakashi that is in the scene decided to question Sakura to think who she really loves. Thinking on it she realizes she loves Naruto. Since that was what Kishimoto intended when he made the bench scene he just didn't work towards it as he should have and abandon it.

Ideally in theory: Naruto and Sakura should not get together in part one; outside of stories where Naruto's parents are alive which case they are already more or less together. Part one is going from Sakura disliking him to Naruto becoming her best friend on the team as he is the only one that is willing to talk and listen to her. So by part two he is her best friend alongside Ino which is how he bonds with Ino. There should even a scene during a bit of down time where Sakura, Ino, and Naruto are at a café or a restaurant or something. Where Sakura gets up to use the ladies room leaving them to talk, they bond over their friendship with Sakura, and then Sakura comes in pulling Naruto away when she feels they were getting to close. Leaving Ino to think that Sakura should really just get over Sasuke already.

In Part two. They gradually get closer to the point that eventually anyone that meets them just assumes they are a couple and then questions why are they together when they learn they aren't. It certainly would've helped that every filler arc in the anime they tried to make Hinata the perfect goddess that must get with Naruto; it has the new character look at Naruto and Sakura and assume they are a couple then again be shocked when they aren't.

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gotta love how the minato manga brings us ns fans out of the woodwork

...Again, Other because you watched it, you assume Kishimoto must have watched it, and been inspired by it. When there has never been mentioned of it in any interview. 

What has been mentioned is Slam Dunk, (and how it inspired the Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke dynamic,) which I assume you haven't read/watch.

Other there is a difference between speculating that Kishimoto may have been inspired by something and declaring it to be true. There is no evidence of him being inspired by that dragon quest anime, there is of him being inspired by Slam Dunk.

Oh yeah, I do remember the manga you're referring to, I believe that was U-19. But what you said is accurate in that it does seem like Jump and Shueisha aren't taking the same approach with what happened to Kishi. Simply to avoid the same circumstances that happened with Naruto, and honestly that is for the better.

I think it was also pretty telling that when Naruto ended, Kishi had no interest coming back to Naruto after he finished the series and wanted to try something different. Which we know the result of what happened once Samurai 8 got canceled.

Not to say that it was surprising because given how Naruto ended this was more or less something an expected outcome.

They like a lot of people underestimated how important NS was to the story of Naruto.

It may not be up to the company, as much as it is a reaction from the mangaka. Again, Kishimoto used to be a big name and that one executive/editorial mandate destroyed him. What can say it can't happen to them? So they are all taking precautions to make sure it doesn't happen.

Demon Slayer: I didn't even realize there was a main couple outside the lighting boy crushing on the sister.

My Hero: Killed the closest thing to a romantic rival.

Food Wars: Didn't put the main couple together for some reason.

Samurai 8: I'm not changing the main pairing. I'm not changing the main pairing. For ten chapters.

Jujutsu Kaisen: Seemed to imply from the beginning that Yuji wasn't even going to live long enough to get into a serious relationship.

Black Clover: Noelle is clearly the main girl, but if the editor make a stink Sister Lily.

Chainsaw man: Messed around in part one but I assume Asa is Denji's love interest.

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Strange when i put myself in naruto's shoes i came up with a different perspective

 

"Put yourself in Naruto's shoes:

Would you prefer someone who always follows the crowd, people belittles you she belittle you, they adore you she adore you (Are they still talking about Sakura?). One who asks you to take back the boy she has a crush on and who tried to kill you and her, but this girl continues to prefer him to you, and at most she makes a finished declaration of love to you.

 

Or a girl who has always appreciated you no matter what others say or your flaws, and who will give her life for you if that is required.

 

Really people still have doubts about which couple is the best, in reality everyone would be happy that their son takes Hinata home and not Sakura, the NaruSaku is literally the girl who doesn't care about the nice guy, until it suits him, he changes my mind."

God that post is so badly written.

Again. The appeal of Hinata is, she is easy. You do not have to do anything to get her or keep her. And as they state she will never question or doubt you only worship the ground you walk on. Which becomes a problem when your son is acting out and she refuses to confront you. Leading the daddy issue to spiral out of control. One cannot resolve an issue; unless it is brought first up.

Sakura willingness to question and criticize Naruto is a point in her favor because; Naruto is an idiot, who is trying to enact policy changes to correct the flaws in the ninja system. If he doesn't have some one to talk his idea over first how can he know they will work? How does he iron out the detail?

Edit: Also in Naruto's shoes. Well Naruto was someone that most of the village preferred to avoid interacting with when they could for years. Sakura was the one girl that would always react to him. He thought she was cute and developed a crush on her over time fell in love with her. Hinata was a weird quite girl that was too polite  to tell him to go away and too meek to speak two sentences to him. Until the chunin exam, which was after knowing each other for years as with the rest of his classmates. Which by her finally talking to him caused him to see her as a nice girl and a good friend. 

I mean if you see what happens in dragon quest the character who's similar to sakura does move on

Who? Are we suppose to know which dragon quest character you are referring to by instinct?

With all the craziness that we had  to deal with regarding the NH and SS fans (and still do, with less intensity), we can easily forget that they are NH and SS fans out there that are chill and can see reasons.

 

Some fans can enjoy the idea outside the canon reality (like fanfiction) and hate the canon, some can accept that the writing was kitten but accept the rest and some, while not agreeing with everything, can admit that NS (with SK) was the most logical pairing(s) that would affect the story a lot better for the majority of the main characters and also, would have a much better flow with the story in general. 

 

 I have a friend that was shipping NH and I told her, read the integrality of the manga vs watching the anime and you know what, she did and said that it did make a lot more senses to have NS as canon and understood now a lot better my points. She even said that while she was no longer a fan of the series, that with all what she compared, she would have probably change from NH to NS for sure.

 

Hell, when starting watching the anime, I was a NH shipper (not an hardcore one though just enjoyed it a little) but as soon as I started reading the manga, I switched instantly on NS. With that point in mind, I totally get why, only anime fans (mostly the westerns fans), ship hard NH because right from the very beginning (at least, with the fillers episodes between the first part and shippuden), SP was bias with Hinata. 

The anime had a lot of filler promoting Hinata because the staff was obsessed with her. It is why they ended Naruto marrying Hinata because that was their end goal all along. Without the anime, Hinata is a character that's barely involved in the story and barely interacts with Naruto despite professing love for him. With it, while she still isn't involved in the story that often, she is constantly by Naruto side, and constantly thinking about how much she loves him.

Most Western fans seem to hate reading anything, and prefer just to watch a tv/movie/anime and accept that as canon. I lost count of the people I have met that say they love an adaptation, that they love as well as care so much about the story, that they wish to learn more about it, but will never read the source material. Saying excuses like they want to watch all the show first before they read the book, so they won't get spoiled. Then they never read the book. Even if they do, they hold the adaptation over the source material, and will differ to that when inconsistencies happen.

Ai Is the latest fad on youtube.

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Wow, and NaruHinas are clutching onto that "The Kushina-Sakura connection was a deliberate red herring that's common in shonen" rhetoric even now. 

Where did you get that quote from?

They have to: "The answer that is simple. Kushina and Minato have a happy health perfect relationship made even clearer by the one-shot. That are suppose to foreshadow how Naruto's relationship will end up as well as who he ends up marrying.

Who? Are we suppose to know which dragon quest character you are referring to by instinct?
 
It's pretty obvious the one with pink hair, huge strength, tsundere personality, and healing ability in adventure of dai.

And if one has not watched Dragon Quest and had no clue who you are referring to or even if they did still wouldn't know because your statement was to vague? Also, not helped there is more than one dragon quest game...like 12 and a MMO I think.

Pink hair from the adventure of dai...So Maam.

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Maam and Popp was one of my favourites too. The chemistry was there and the way the love confession was made: very classic:) (search for YouTube video on Maam x Popp if you dont mind spoilers). The manga was one classic piece, and Im glad it was made before the internet became widely accessible. The love triangle was setup just nice to get you invested into the story. Fully recommended.

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I've tend to notice that with books like lord of the rings, game of thrones and Harry potter. Comics people are ethier more aware of the movies or cartoons depending on the era they grew up in and get suprised when the adaptions of comics are a mix of different stories rather than a full on adaption, though comics continuity would make it more impossible to ever full adapt stories unless their are elseworld stories. Though games have started to become as big of a medium.

My guess is because they are more accessible to watch and consume, especially with streaming services in recent years. Another reason which came from a youtuber called lily orchards who did a video on making fun of J.k.rowling, during which mentioned that due to the education system making reading more like a chore for kids, becoming less fun making it into assignments of highly revied books by adults. With some only getting back into reading when a fun book at the time like Harry potter came along.

So I wouldn't be suprised if many of the anime only watchers would view the 700 hundred chapters chore to read, even though the anime became worse than that due to filler.

Video games surpassed comics about 20 years ago, the fact that comics have been in decline since the 90's not helping them, and they surpassed Movies in profits almost ten years ago. Though that went unnoticed due to the stranglehold films have over western culture. Granted, I am assuming you are thinking games are only recently getting big due the things like, the success of the Sonic and Mario movies and such.

Comics despite the fact they were holding up Hollywood for the past decade, are not respected. Their stories are not respected. Their writers are not respected. Their art is not respected. Hollywood does not respect anyone but themselves. For comics, they see it as a pathetic boy hobby they want to turn into a girl hobby, since they assume the boys will just accept it, and see their fans as losers that they can milk for money. People at Marvel have made it clear they prefer to hire "fans" not fans. They see people that have actually read the comics as a red flag, and don't hire them. They want people who will do whatever they want with the IP; then use the 'bigot shield' when it backfires. Over actually making an adaptation.

Remember, the only reason the One Piece Live Action turned out the way it did was Oda was an executive producer and force them to follow his story. If not, the "fan" writers and "fan" directors would have made another Live Action Cowboy Bebop. Same with the Mario movie, before Nintendo intervened it was going to be another mess and then they step in.

As for schools making reading a chore for the students. It not a problem that they make students read for assignments the problem is that is likely the only time they ever read if at all. Hell, when I went to college, I knew a girl that never even read a single line of Shakespeare before a class we took together; because apparently the schools in California just gave them power-point outlines of the books and stories that were required reading. Harry Potter was often the only book they ever read for enjoyment; if they read them and not just said they did while only watching the movies. Which is why millennials obsess over it.

Watching something on TV is often a passive way of absorbing a story. Books require active absorption as you have to imagine what happening in your mind about what you are reading. One of the reasons storytelling quality has gone down in the West is because they stopped reading. Another is, they know if they play the virtue signaling game, they will be given a pass; so they don't put the work in.

Honestly if they kept going with what nick Spencer did I'd see more people reading those comics. Granted they are rebooting ultimate spiderman under John Hickman telling a new adult spiderman I hear discribed of being like Peter B. Parker from spiderverse.

They have no interest in continuing with Mary Jane and Peter Parker together in the comics. Remember, Nick Spincer did that to recover after the 'Captain America is a Nazi' story flopped. Once his rep was restored, he left, and they broke them up again. Marvel Comics has no interest in having those two together in their comics; outside of a temporary last resort.

PPxMJ happen outside of comics because their relationship existing is casual fans knowledge. So it not being there would negatively affect sales. The comic's creators don't think that because they know the comic fans will buy no matter what because the fans are convinced they must keep buying the comic issues in the hope their purchase will magically convince the writers and editors to put them back together. 

No I'm talking about at least for over a decade, since games games like the last of us came out and were mega popular. I wouldn't really say that with every comicbook movie, as directors such as James gunn, josh weadon and the russo brothers I recall were comicbook fans.

From everything I have read and heard from one piece fans and youtubers nothing implies they would of done another Cowboy Bebop and that the showrunner is a passionate fan of one piece and wouldn't do anything without oda's approval. Nintendo and Mario I have no idea about, all I recall is that you had the anti woke crowd acusing it of being a feminist movie with how princess peach was portrayed in the trailer only to u-turn when the film turned out to be really popular.

You think books with pictures with link comics or managa would be at least somewhat appealing since they do have visual images to look at. Not to mention you can read a chapter like naruto in a few minutes.

Cowboy Bebop was not their first live action adaptation of an anime Netflix did, just the last one before One Piece. They are generally all the same. The difference for One Piece was the mangaka was an executive producer and he ordered reshoot when the adapters were up to their usual antics.

I'm not much of a Nintendo fan, so I'm sure I didn't make many post about Mario movie and especially about Princess Peach in it. As for people don't liking Woke movies. People have been burned so often by bad products that call them a bigot for even expressing even the mildest criticisms. It is only natural to express caution towards sequels and remakes. Go in expecting it to be bad, enjoy it if its good, worry if the sequel will fall off. Better than the fan desperately holding on to hope the companies and writers that hold them in contempt will finally listen.

Comics problem is they are so minor in the cultural landscape only a small amount of nerds read them. Manga is more popular and read. But again, people will defer to the anime adaptation because even with pictures they are too lazy. 

Which is further galling and hypocritical since a major reason that they created Ultimate Spider-Man was because they were convinced Peter was more "relatable" when he was a highschool kid without any serious romantic relationships.

The reason they keep putting Peter Parker in Highschool over and over again is because they want him to be the young web-slinging web-head with no responsibilities, fighting bad guys while constantly quipping, selling pictures of himself to the Daily Bugle for pocket change, and getting with model hot high-school girls the writer always dreamed of. With Great Power comes Great Fun and Zero Responsibility, to them. Also despite the fact, I think, Peter graduated from High-School in issue 15 of his story and his most of the famous events are actually him in college.

He is only allowed to be older in Into the Spiderverse and those Sony games is because they want him to be a Mentor to Miles Morales. So, they can eventually replace Peter with Miles. Ah, apparently Insomniac/Sony games have already declared they are doing so.

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"Idk why this is so funny, toneri basically told boruto that his mom was a second choice. Imagine if boruto asked how his parents got together, and Toneri said it was because of genjutsu."

 

                Toneri:" Back then, Naruto saw Sasuke, an elite student, as his rival, and seemed to have a crush on Sakura.

The, "seemed," means they are still trying to justify it by the Last. That Naruto wasn't really in love or didn't really have a crush on Sakura; only seemed to be because it just a part of his rivalry with Sasuke to go after the girl that Sasuke had feelings for.

oh true i remembered they did bleach but totally forgot about yu yu hakusho (I'm also watching Kimagure Orange Road which also is by sp). Also I started to watch the original Rurouni Kenshin because I never saw it and a remake started airing this year and I noticed one of the characters has a single finger flick move very similar to tsunade's

From various Japanese anime/video games I have seen that have done it. My guess is, finger flicking the forehead seems to be a way of teasing/chastising someone in Japan. Its also can used to show how strong someone is in a story. Do it to yourself to see, its mostly harmless. So, if someone can do it and it knocks someone flat; that character must be super strong.

I don't even understand why they bother acting indignant anymore.  They've seen for themselves throughout Boruto that Naruto sparsely shows consideration towards his children or any attraction towards Hinata.  Hell, he even called her out as a idiot for being more concerned about him being danger than their freakin' children.  

They think if they act indignant & offended that the companies will have to appease them. It always worked for them before for western media. Problem is, those companies have learned of their worth. They have had nearly ten years to show how they would financially support Hinata, and haven't. Which is why the companies seem to be moving away from Hinata and going back to Sakura. 

They try to ignore dismiss justify or make excuses for the fact that Naruto doesn't seem that happily married to Hinata. They hate to be reminded of the fact that Naruto once had feeling for Sakura. To them, Naruto should only love Hinata, ever.