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[Illnevergiveup3]

Two of these I wished to see canon, but didn't unfortunatley!
 
 
The other two  (NaLu, and LuNa) I can definitely see the horizon spreading for them both especially with NaLu! 

Natsu still playing games about Lucy? He need to stop playing and get with her already. Honestly though, I always prefer them getting together at the end. To me, thats always the biggest goal. Naruto finally getting Sakura at the end would be his biggest dream come true. You would feel the positive emotions of him finally getting her. So, I dont care how long Hiro takes, , long as it happens.

[LuckyChi7]

Natsu still playing games about Lucy? He need to stop playing and get with her already. Honestly though, I always prefer them getting together at the end. To me, thats always the biggest goal. Naruto finally getting Sakura at the end would be his biggest dream come true. You would feel the positive emotions of him finally getting her. So, I dont care how long Hiro takes, , long as it happens.

NaLu is almost guaranteed especially seeing when you see how Hiro handled the romance in Rave Master, and how hes handling the love story between Shiki and Rebecca.

[RedFaction]

I haven't seen anything to indicate that Luffy and Nami are a possibility because I doubt Oda is going to go against the well established rule in Shonen that the girls get to decide who they marry.

 

We have too many examples of that we can go through in Shonen where the girl gets with the guy she liked. Ever since Naruto ended I have just assumed that will be the case going forward for any series.

 

So if it's going to be anyone with Luffy I think it will still be Boa, because I don't think Oda has the guts to her be rejected in the end. Where things stand now with their relationship doesn't matter; the only thing that matters is what Oda decides to do at the very end, and it will be easier for him to write Luffy accepting Boa than any other option.

Edited by RedFaction, 29 July 2023 - 12:42 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I haven't seen anything to indicate that Luffy and Nami are a possibility because I doubt Oda is going to go against the well established rule in Shonen that the girls get to decide who they marry.

 

We have too many examples of that we can go through in Shonen where the girl gets with the guy she liked. Ever since Naruto ended I have just assumed that will be the case going forward for any series.

 

So if it's going to be anyone with Luffy I think it will still be Boa, because I don't think Oda has the guts to her be rejected in the end. Where things stand now with their relationship doesn't matter; the only thing that matters is what Oda decides to do at the very end, and it will be easier for him to write Luffy accepting Boa than any other option.

I think it likely if the end pairings becomes an issue Oda will just avoid it all together. He was seen what has happened to his colleagues. He stated in interview before he doesn't want to focus on romance too much.

[RedFaction]

I think it likely if the end pairings becomes an issue Oda will just avoid it all together. He was seen what has happened to his colleagues. He stated in interview before he doesn't want to focus on romance too much.

Yes, he could side step the pairings all together but he already made Boa completely in love with Luffy and I would assume he would want to resolve that plot point. Or maybe Shonen Jump as an organization has some sort of influence and it is not strictly Oda's decision to make.

 

But I personally would prefer no pairings at this point in One Piece. It created too much bitterness and resentment for other series, and would do the same with One Piece.

[Kagomaru]

There's no implied mandate by Shueisha that requires that the shonen male protagonists must reciprocate the feelings of girls that show an interest in them, regardless of onscreen chemistry and compatibility. Nisekoi (which concluded two years after Naruto) ended with the MC getting with the lead heroine, in spite of the fact that his original love interest confessed to him first.  Komi-san had its MC reject someone from his love triangle in spite of confessing first.  MHA just killed off Himiko after she confessed to Midoriya that she loved him before Ochako had her chance, and he rejected her.  Even Mashle had its lead protagonist frequently reject/ignore his self-proclaimed fiancee to the very end of the series.   I could go on.  

 

The closest thing to what you describe is in Demon Slayer with Tanjirou x Kanao, and the authoress at least establishes some rapport between them before they hooked up.  And Tanjirou had no other prospects.

 

I get that you're still jaded over Shuiesha and Pierrot influencing Kishimoto, but what happened in that title has not magically become law for all of their Shonen manga.  Especially when several newer authors seem to have taken Naruto as an object lesson to be much more prominent in establishing the main couples in a shonen title from the get-go, so that there's no confusion or debate.  Black Clover and My Hero Academia being good examples.

 

The only reasons why Shueisha pushed for Hinata as the lead heroine/love interest was because they heard about her appeal in the west and thought that would make them bank, as well as some of the editors and SP staff fetishizing her. And we've seen how that turned out.

Edited by Kagomaru, 29 July 2023 - 04:01 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

There's no implied mandate by Shueisha that requires that the shonen male protagonists must reciprocate the feelings of girls that show an interest in them, regardless of onscreen chemistry and compatibility. Nisekoi (which concluded two years after Naruto) ended with the MC getting with the lead heroine, in spite of the fact that his original love interest confessed to him first.  Komi-san had its MC reject someone from his love triangle in spite of confessing first.  MHA just killed off Himiko after she confessed to Midoriya before Ochako had her chance.  Even Mashle had its lead protagonist frequently reject his self-proclaimed fiancee to the very end.   I could go on.  
 
The closest thing to what you describe is in Demon Slayer with Tanjirou x Kanao, and the authoress at least establishes some rapport between them before they hooked up.  And Tanjirou had no other prospects.
 
I get that you're still jaded over Shuiesha and Pierrot influencing Kishimoto, but what happened in that title has not magically become law for all of their Shonen titles.  Especially when several newer authors seem to have taken Naruto as an object lesson to be much more prominent in establishing the main couples in a shonen title, so that there's no confusion or debate.  Black Clover and My Hero Academia being good examples.

Id totally have to agree with you on that Kagomaru, nothing is really dictated as law regarding shounen mc reciprocating female characters that are crushing on them.

Mha, and especially Black clover are great examples for sure in terms of establishing the main couples. Another great example that comes to my mind is Blue Box, its a sport manga in jump but you can clearly see that the mangaka is laying out the groundwork between its two main mcs.

Pretty sure there are more examples, but like you the influence from suiesha and Perriot is one thing Im not letting dictate on how things are gonna be portrayed for other series.

[RedFaction]

There's no implied mandate by Shueisha that requires that the shonen male protagonists must reciprocate the feelings of girls that show an interest in them, regardless of onscreen chemistry and compatibility. Nisekoi (which concluded two years after Naruto) ended with the MC getting with the lead heroine, in spite of the fact that his original love interest confessed to him first.  Komi-san had its MC reject someone from his love triangle in spite of confessing first.  MHA just killed off Himiko after she confessed to Midoriya that she loved him before Ochako had her chance, and he rejected her.  Even Mashle had its lead protagonist frequently reject/ignore his self-proclaimed fiancee to the very end of the series.   I could go on.  

 

The closest thing to what you describe is in Demon Slayer with Tanjirou x Kanao, and the authoress at least establishes some rapport between them before they hooked up.  And Tanjirou had no other prospects.

 

I get that you're still jaded over Shuiesha and Pierrot influencing Kishimoto, but what happened in that title has not magically become law for all of their Shonen manga.  Especially when several newer authors seem to have taken Naruto as an object lesson to be much more prominent in establishing the main couples in a shonen title from the get-go, so that there's no confusion or debate.  Black Clover and My Hero Academia being good examples.

 

The only reasons why Shueisha pushed for Hinata as the lead heroine/love interest was because they heard about her appeal in the west and thought that would make them bank, as well as some of the editors and SP staff fetishizing her. And we've seen how that turned out.

That's good that newer authors are trying to break the old trope, but yeah you're right the way Naruto ended left me indifferent towards shipping because I can't be bothered in caring about something that could go nowhere like Naruto and Sakura. Sure they're a very extreme example but it's just the way that I felt afterwards.

 

But speaking of Oda in particular he is part of the old school and that's why I think he will either go down the traditional route, like his peers did, or if he doesn't want to do that he will just sidestep the pairings issue all together. If I am wrong about that that's cool though, so I'll be satisfied either way in regards to One Piece.

[luans7]

That's good that newer authors are trying to break the old trope, but yeah you're right the way Naruto ended left me indifferent towards shipping because I can't be bothered in caring about something that could go nowhere like Naruto and Sakura. Sure they're a very extreme example but it's just the way that I felt afterwards.

 

But speaking of Oda in particular he is part of the old school and that's why I think he will either go down the traditional route, like his peers did, or if he doesn't want to do that he will just sidestep the pairings issue all together. If I am wrong about that that's cool though, so I'll be satisfied either way in regards to One Piece.

Oda is from the Akira school, so he does what he wants and, if possible, surprises the fans. Just look at his interviews to notice that.

[Kagomaru]

Oda is from the Akira school, so he does what he wants and, if possible, surprises the fans. Just look at his interviews to notice that.

Togashi is also from the same school of authority over his work; even Kubo is.  The main reason that Kishimoto isn't part of that club is because he's always been a little weak-willed as well as a people pleaser. Not to mention they were gaslighting and coercing him when he was at his most vulnerable.

Edited by Kagomaru, 29 July 2023 - 01:21 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

Togashi is also from the same school of authority over his work; even Kubo is.  The main reason that Kishimoto isn't part of that club is because he's always been a little weak-willed as well as a people pleaser. Not to mention they were gaslighting and coercing him when he was at his most vulnerable.

 

 

Very very true, and I think that's also very noticable in the writing too! 

[LuckyChi7]

Ya know more emphasis on the comedy, showcase Naruto's good well nature with everyone - > yes Sasuke & Hinata included... Definitely a huge lack of overused flashback.

 

Think like this... Naruto wants to become Hokage

 

 

let's explore what steps he has to take as a shinobi to become hokage, and no kittening detours....  Yeah "Saving Sasuke" for post- timeskip plotline looking at you lol 

 

 

It could be a goal, but not the primary goal of Part 2. 

 

 

Expand more upon the world building of the ninja world. 

 

 

the history of Shinobi could be like an ancient myth that once existed, but no one's been able to prove of its existence. 

 

 

Let's take Gol D. Roger for example... he started an era on the day of his execution.

 

 

 

So in conjunction with that lets say use Tailed beasts for example.... say that their regarded as myths throughout the world, and only a rare select individuals know of their existence.

 

 

They wouldn't be exclusive to just near by villages.... in my opinion I feel that severely diminished the scope of the world of Naruto.

 

 

 

I think you could have it to where they can throughout each continent of the world, and they can be in locations that even anbu black ops would have a hard time knowing they actually existed. 

 

Essentially make them like mythological creatures no one has ever seen for centuries and centuries before Naruto's era.

 

 

 

Much like how Gol D. Roger ushered an into an new age of pirates in One Piece.....  

 

 

 

The night The Nine Tails attacked the Leaf Village in that sense could kickstart a new era of Shinobi in search of these Mythological creatures. 

 

 

 

 

I'll take it a step further,.... The 5 great nations...  we visit Sand village for example, but instead of just getting a brief overview... we actually see how people live their lifestyle, their culture, and how they differ from The Leaf Village. 

 

You could do the same thing with the Stone,  Cloud, and Mist Village too. 

 

 

 

You explore how distinct the shinobi are in each village. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something along those lines.

 

 

 

Ya know... back when I was like super intuned with Naruto... there was a trilogy I was writing back in High School... I got through writing the first 2 and stopped around halfway through the last book.... 

 

 

Partly due the ending and what not, but  I've been hitting a slump lately on my post apocalyptic book trilogy as I'm revising it from 3rd person to 1st person with the first book which honestly is no easy task lol.  since it's a multi- 1st person pov  story centered on 3 characters! 

 

 

 

 

Anyway.... the point I'm trying to make here is that the Naruto based trilogy was almost too similar to Naruto minus a few minor tweaks here and there.

 

 

 

This naruto inspired trilogy I wrote was just centered on 1 protagonist unlike the apocalyptic trilogy I'm revising.

 

 

 

 

 

but really.... thinking more and more on this.... I could honestly take that concept I just present and implement that....   

 

 

 

Sorry guys... I know this post probably isn't gonna mean much, but it definitely brain stormed an idea for me because I was planning on going back to that trilogy and rework it eventually. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 29 July 2023 - 04:18 PM.

[totherpage95]

I doubt Kishi is as clever as Oda.

Kishi copied dragon quest: dai no daibouken which ended on a cliffhanger because the artist was sick.

[Bail o' Lies]

I recall bringing this up to Lucky a few years ago when Shounen jump had that red string of fate manga. But, I have notice that WSJ manga tend to be more blatant with their couples since Naruto ended. Either, they were very clear who the love interest is, or they avoid that all together.

 

People worried about another mangaka becoming another Kishimoto need to remember that; they don't want to turn into another Kishimoto. Kishimoto was once the second of third biggest name in the shounen manga industry.

 

Now look at him.

 

He is a glorified editor/assistant in the sequel to his own manga, and its failing. We may not know fully what happened to Naruto, but it is likely an open secret and a warning in Shueisha; don't let your editors dictate something as minor yet important as the end parings.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 August 2023 - 02:33 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

I recall bringing this up to Lucky a few years ago when Shounen jump had that red string of fate manga. But, I have notice that WSJ manga tend to be more blatant with their couples since Naruto ended. Either, they were very clear who the love interest is, or they avoid that all together.
 
People worried about another mangaka becoming another Kishimoto need to remember that; they don't want to turn into another Kishimoto. Kishimoto was once the second of third biggest name in the shounen manga industry.
 
Now look at him.
 
He is a glorified editor/assistant in the sequel to his own manga, and its failing. We may not know fully what happened to Naruto, but it is likely an open secret and a warning in Shueisha; don't let you editors dictate something as important yet minor as the end parings.

Oh yeah,I do remember the manga youre referring to, I believe that was U-19. But what you said is accurate in that it does seem like Jump and Shueisha arent taking the same approach with what happened to Kishi. Simply to avoid the same circumstances that happened with Naruto, and honestly that is for the better.


I think it was also pretty telling that when Naruto ended, Kishi had no interest coming back to Naruto after he finished the series and wanted to try something different. Which we know the result of what happened once Samurai 8 got canceled.

Not to say that it was surprising because given how Naruto ended this was more or less something an expected outcome.

[Bail o' Lies]

Oh yeah, I do remember the manga you're referring to, I believe that was U-19. But what you said is accurate in that it does seem like Jump and Shueisha aren't taking the same approach with what happened to Kishi. Simply to avoid the same circumstances that happened with Naruto, and honestly that is for the better.

I think it was also pretty telling that when Naruto ended, Kishi had no interest coming back to Naruto after he finished the series and wanted to try something different. Which we know the result of what happened once Samurai 8 got canceled.

Not to say that it was surprising because given how Naruto ended this was more or less something an expected outcome.

They like a lot of people underestimated how important NS was to the story of Naruto.

 

It may not be up to the company, as much as it is a reaction from the mangaka. Again, Kishimoto used to be a big name and that one executive/editorial mandate destroyed him. What can say it can't happen to them? So they are all taking precautions to make sure it doesn't happen.

 

Demon Slayer: I didn't even realize there was a main couple outside the lighting boy crushing on the sister.

 

My Hero: Killed the closest thing to a romantic rival.

 

Food Wars: Didn't put the main couple together for some reason.

 

Samurai 8: I'm not changing the main pairing. I'm not changing the main pairing. For ten chapters.

 

Jujutsu Kaisen: Seemed to imply from the beginning that Yuji wasn't even going to live long enough to get into a serious relationship.

 

Black Clover: Noelle is clearly the main girl, but if the editor make a stink Sister Lily.

 

Chainsaw man: Messed around in part one but I assume Asa is Denji's love interest.

 

Edit: Currently in publication. Surprisingly a lot are story that have a duo that are clearly the main couple and the main characters the story is focused around.

 

Ayakashi Triangle: Shameless Woman and the clueless Ninja. There was a possibility that they would have spilt the main character in two so the shy ninja could have the girl but main girl is too shameless to share.

 

Yumeochi: Sleepy Boy and Class rep. 

 

Demon lord Exchange: Priest either ends up with his childhood friend or the demon lord in her body.

 

Blue Box. Main boy and Main girl.

 

Marital Master Asumi: Main cowardly boy with MMA Girl.

 

Kill Blue: The old man will either stay a child and marry the rich girl, or more likely get the cure and get back together with his family.

 

Mission: Yozakura Family: Main Boy with childhood friend spy girl.

 

Undead Unluck: The two main characters.

 

My Girlfriend Gives Me Goosebumps: Main boy and his girlfriend.

 

Akane Banashi: Main Girl and her childhood bully/friend as he was the only one she could think of to go out on a date on.

 

Beat & Motion: The depressed male animator and the drunk female musician.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 30 July 2023 - 09:25 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

He's shown that he has a sex drive after being exposed to the Happiness Punch by Nami (and when Bentram disguised himself as Nami and did the same thing). Heck, Luffy himself even admitted to Boa that the only reason her powers didn't work on him is because she had pissed him off too much to think lewd thoughts.

  

Thats exactly what I was about to say too and they are all pretty valid reasons. Especially when it comes to Luffy and his attraction to woman. Along with the point you brought up about Boas power having no effect on Luffy. He was simply too annoyed to even have those kinda thoughts about her.

Well oda did mention in an sbs that ussop is a bad influence on him, though unfortunately luffy hasn't been in the a situation to confirm this post timeskip. Closest would be renji kissing him, but he was unconcious.

[totherpage95]

anyone see this vid? (not the thumbnail you dirty buggers)
Edit: i might have shared it before but I can't remember

Edited by totherpage95, 06 August 2023 - 03:32 PM.

[Nostradamus]

anyone see this vid? (not the thumbnail you dirty buggers)
Edit: i might have shared it before but I can't remember

I stopped after like 1 minute. It sounded like some A.I. generated channel.

I don't know it sounds weird.

[LuckyChi7]

I typically avoid those kind of channels!