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#52121 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 07:36 PM

And the same would go for every other cliche / trope used in anime for such things - it would mean soooooo much in those other anime, but never in Naruto (at least if it's between NS), but they would instantly say the opposite if even the slightest hint of it happened between NH, even if, as with the series itself, the situation is played completely for comedic purposes.

 

Long story short; NS must be disproven to the point nobody acknowledges its existence, NH is SUUUUUCH innocent, sweet and pure love it must be supported and created from nothing. that is the thought process of all NH Hinata fantics. Just saying, that is how it's broken down as, and the reason is something I've mentioned and brought up many many times

 

You pretty much nailed it on the head, guys. It's all they can do to discredit NaruSaku when it had the strongest evidence and all of that going for it. Plus I've also thought how the ending as it is makes Hinata into a HUGE freaking hypocrite because she wasn't too bothered by seeing Naruto hugged by Sakura after his fight with Pain/Nagato, yet she gets so jealous in "The Worst" over the scarf from his DEAD MOTHER!!!



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 11:46 PM

Never forget, that entire movie was a retcon. It ignores many key factors in the story, all for a half @$$ed NH build up. It also made Naruto and Sakura big fat hypocrites too in that department. Sakura said Naruto's love for her was false because he was just competing with Sauke over her when She and Ino competed for Sasuke too. Naruto, despite preaching and raving on and on about love and bonds doesn't know what love is despite calling Sakura his girlfriend and not even denying Sakura's aformentioned claim or how he wanted to win Hinata back from Toneri despite Sakura saying again his affection for the former is only an ego stroking contest with Sasuke, therefore he only sees women as trophies. Again, that stupid movie's words, not mine  :zaru: :lmao:


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 03:01 AM

Not to mention, people forget that in OTHER anime even CPR scenes have people believe it is them kissing. It's like every other anime or tv show people lose their minds on the CPR scene and even the characters be like "OMG, does this count as my first kiss?" and they will blush about it and even go through really weird thought processes. Especially if the characters are teenagers.
Oh, but in Naruto it is NO BIG DEAL. It is amazing how opposite everything is. How Naruto is ALWAYS the exception to the rule every time you bring up how stupid it is or how a situation is taken so lightly.
"Naruto never gave Hinata any attention."
"Well, that's because he was so busy. He can't save the world AND focus on Hinata."
"But every other main hero can do both."
"CPR is not a real kiss"
"But every other anime character in history takes it as one and freaks out."
Look at this scene:

Look how they blush and freak out of what the NH call "a simple life saving maneuver"
How about this one?

What about this?
https://www.youtube....h?v=q_am1xqQhBk
And even here:
https://www.youtube....h?v=_c4tOhIJAk8
CPR in anime is NEVER scene as moot. It is ALWAYS taken to the highest degree, BUT NOT IN NARUTO.
So, why is it that everyone else freaks out about it, but Naruto it is no big deal? Because the characters took it as no big deal? I guess no.
I BET YOU $20 if Naruto gave CPR to Hinata....they would freak out like no tomorrow and claim it meant alot even if Naruto meant did it for no reason other than to save her life because that is how they think.
Do people forget how Japan's culture works? CPR, while meant for life saving, has a bit of a taboo to it because Japan's culture believes in the concept of PERSONAL SPACE. SO even CPR is seen as an invasion even if for good reason to. THis is why they freak out.
The problem is Kishimoto never follows through with his actions.

Also naruto wasn't saving the world 24 /7 before the ending so that part has no ground to stand on. Cause how is him eating at the Ramen place when not training or on a mission saving the world.
It's the same with letting other anime heroine hit the main character but the demonize Sakura and only her, I mean ino was a kitten to Naruto but no one attacks her.

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Posted 10 August 2020 - 12:34 AM

To whoever is interested, I've reached a point in my story, "Mages of the North" where things are starting to become a little similar to Naruto. The mentor, Flare, is doing the same thing Kakashi did with the bells. It would be interesting to get your opinions on how this chapter went. 

 

https://www.wattpad....gins-chapter-35

 

This is a story that is supposed to kind of... "replace" Naruto, if you will. Eventually, you'll start seeing some NaruSaku vibes between the characters, but I do have to keep on with the story. 



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Posted 10 August 2020 - 12:35 AM

Also naruto wasn't saving the world 24 /7 before the ending so that part has no ground to stand on. Cause how is him eating at the Ramen place when not training or on a mission saving the world.
It's the same with letting other anime heroine hit the main character but the demonize Sakura and only her, I mean ino was a kitten to Naruto but no one attacks her.

Yeah, because Ino was not a threat to NH.

And to think about it, if Naruto ONLY cared because of his rivalry with Sasuke why didn't Naruto try to win Ino over?


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Posted 10 August 2020 - 01:17 AM

Yeah, because Ino was not a threat to NH.

And to think about it, if Naruto ONLY cared because of his rivalry with Sasuke why didn't Naruto try to win Ino over?

Because I told him to back off. Ino was my girl at the time, then Sai came and buttered her up and stole her from me.

 

The bastard! 



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Posted 10 August 2020 - 04:51 AM

Yeah, because Ino was not a threat to NH.

And to think about it, if Naruto ONLY cared because of his rivalry with Sasuke why didn't Naruto try to win Ino over?

 

And further proof that idea of only beating Sasuke by going for Sakura is pure bull**** and always will be, since the writer of "The Last" forgot... THERE WAS TONS OF OTHER GIRLS WHO WANTED SASUKE JUST BECAUSE HE WAS HOT!!!



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Posted 10 August 2020 - 06:56 AM

 

And further proof that idea of only beating Sasuke by going for Sakura is pure bull**** and always will be, since the writer of "The Last" forgot... THERE WAS TONS OF OTHER GIRLS WHO WANTED SASUKE JUST BECAUSE HE WAS HOT!!!

"If a women get over her first love, she is a terrible woman"

What about Ino and Karin then? I guess they are terrible women then.

"Oh no, they are an exception"

So ONLY if Sakura and Hinata get over their crushes are they terrible women. Every other girl? No problem. I hate the excuses.


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Posted 10 August 2020 - 12:16 PM

Tsunade is also a terrible woman because she was hinted to be finally returning Jiraiya's feelings too! Hey it's a two way street :zaru: 
 

Yeah, because Ino was not a threat to NH.

And to think about it, if Naruto ONLY cared because of his rivalry with Sasuke why didn't Naruto try to win Ino over?

 
OR ANY GIRL that was drooling over Sasuke for that matter? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Posted 10 August 2020 - 01:29 PM

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Posted 10 August 2020 - 03:02 PM

Only the MinaKushi panels are accurate.

 

Naruto never got angry for anyone harming Hinata particularly, he also had a personal grudge to settle with the enemy he was pissed off at. Neji because of his fatalist views on how no one can change their destiny, and emphasis on talent is what matters and no one can improve themselves. Pain because Pain killed MANY people Naruto cared about and destroyed his home, Not to mention he killed Jiraiya and Naruto worked out Kakashi was one of the permenant casualties when he asked about him to Tsunade, not just because Pain critically injured Hinata.

 

Sasuke only displayed that behaviour towards Sakura ONE TIME,and that was partially because his cursed seal started to acitvate he was not particularly sole driven to protect Sakura's honor, he was also kind of drunk on power at the time. Also, in Part II/Shippuden, he could not give any flying kittens when Sakura got injured or was under threat of being killed, and this point is especially important.

 

It is sad and pathetic that these fans LOVE doing this kitten when they are the ones preaching to us that Naruto is not a "romance manga". But lo and behold they INSIST on making up this crap because their OTPs are the most romantic thing in the universe. Honestly I would love for then to actually show any canon evidence for NH and SS in Shippuden that is NOT FILLER


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Posted 10 August 2020 - 06:13 PM

1 As all of you mentioned before, if was naruto felts for Sakura was just rivalry what's about Ino, Karin and even Temari she thought Sasuke was kind of cute. Why did not naruto fell for them too?.

2 Naruto didn't know what love is, but the databooks shows the contrary and Yamato's speech, didn't Yamato know what love is? Or when Naruto himself said to Sakura she really loved Sasuke?

3 What happened to Sai's development? The guy, did not know any emotion or feelings but Kishimoto showed us his history and how he started to knowing that's emotions and he was who asking Naruto if he loved Sakura.

4 And the most important thing, if Obito was everything Naruto could become, but if this one didn't know what love is and his love for Rin was just rivalry everything Obito did was without a real reason? Really?

5 If their paring are so strong as they think, why Pierrot has not make a filler where NS is Canon? Why Pierrot has erased every NS proof from the history? Why Naruto and Sakura aren't showed as in shippuden?

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Posted 11 August 2020 - 03:16 AM

 

Did the Naruto or Sasuke one even have a connection to harming their "love interest"...actually I'll guess the Naruto one is from the Pein battle. Even though to Naruto that was more avenging Jiraya, getting back at him for harming the village in general, and then that speech with his father about ending the cycle. The Sasuke one is just the Orochimaru battle which he says happened because Sasuke felt he was now stronger than him so he won't let him take over his body anymore; he never mention Sakura.


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Posted 11 August 2020 - 08:01 AM

I don't know if this is important or not. But I noticed that most of those who talk about Naruto in general on YouTube say this: "Naruto the ninja is trying to be the Hokage, and with him is Sasuke, his rival, and Sakura is the girl that Naruto loves." Most of them did not show any footage or mention anything about Shippuden.
 
This makes me wonder that those who saw Shippuden have been brainwashed that "Hinata is the most beautiful waifu ever, and that Naruto should leave Sakura because he belongs to Hinata."
 
Once in Arc Pain, show a skit at the end of an episode. The topic was that Sakura was accusing Hinata of bribing the studio to make them work for her ending, which was 13 (which was the stupidest thing ever) and Sakura's comment was also that she is the heroine in the Openings and Endings of the Naruto show. Then Naruto appeared and tried to explain that Hinata has increased in popularity very much and that there are many in the studio who love her very much, and this Ending phrase is the extent of their love for her. All these are indications from within the studio about what will happen in the future and who will be the heroine of the show.
 
Ever since I saw that show I remember why that stupid skit made an important point. Hinata has ruined the show with her terrifying obsession with Naruto, Naruto’s show mode has shifted from Naruto's journey to become the Hokage and Sasuke returns and reunites with Team 7, to a bunch of stupid episodes about pairings. ohh nasty.


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Posted 11 August 2020 - 04:59 PM

Did the Naruto or Sasuke one even have a connection to harming their "love interest"...actually I'll guess the Naruto one is from the Pein battle. Even though to Naruto that was more avenging Jiraya, getting back at him for harming the village in general, and then that speech with his father about ending the cycle. The Sasuke one is just the Orochimaru battle which he says happened because Sasuke felt he was now stronger than him so he won't let him take over his body anymore; he never mention Sakura.

also if you touch my girl i will kill you so sasuke will kill himself because he tried to kill sakura

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Posted 11 August 2020 - 07:39 PM

I don't know if this is important or not. But I noticed that most of those who talk about Naruto in general on YouTube say this: "Naruto the ninja is trying to be the Hokage, and with him is Sasuke, his rival, and Sakura is the girl that Naruto loves." Most of them did not show any footage or mention anything about Shippuden.

 
This makes me wonder that those who saw Shippuden have been brainwashed that "Hinata is the most beautiful waifu ever, and that Naruto should leave Sakura because he belongs to Hinata."
 
Once in Arc Pain, show a skit at the end of an episode. The topic was that Sakura was accusing Hinata of bribing the studio to make them work for her ending, which was 13 (which was the stupidest thing ever) and Sakura's comment was also that she is the heroine in the Openings and Endings of the Naruto show. Then Naruto appeared and tried to explain that Hinata has increased in popularity very much and that there are many in the studio who love her very much, and this Ending phrase is the extent of their love for her. All these are indications from within the studio about what will happen in the future and who will be the heroine of the show.
 
Ever since I saw that show I remember why that stupid skit made an important point. Hinata has ruined the show with her terrifying obsession with Naruto, Naruto’s show mode has shifted from Naruto's journey to become the Hokage and Sasuke returns and reunites with Team 7, to a bunch of stupid episodes about pairings. ohh nasty.

Somewhat, but it more Naruto more iconic in the West than shippuden. Also the fact that many didn't watch Shippuden is true. But SP were putting filler praising Hinata whenever they could even in Naruto as well.

 

That episode of Hinata fighting Pein probably is what cemented it because she was fighting for Naruto so she was now entitled to him. But that was even the case when people read thee manga. Which was also the intent of the editor that demanded that scene. But people were thinking that since she was introduced in Naruto or at the very least Neji's fight with her or the naked on the lake scene.

 

I swear their were at least two times they had Sakura do that, but times were clearly to make her the kitten unjustifiably picking on the shy girl (to justify more focus on Hinata) as well as to answer the Japanese fans who must have been constantly sending in letters asking, 'why was their so much damn focus on Hinata.'



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Posted 11 August 2020 - 10:04 PM

Somewhat, but it more Naruto more iconic in the West than shippuden. Also the fact that many didn't watch Shippuden is true. But SP were putting filler praising Hinata whenever they could even in Naruto as well.
 
That episode of Hinata fighting Pein probably is what cemented it because she was fighting for Naruto so she was now entitled to him. But that was even the case when people read thee manga. Which was also the intent of the editor that demanded that scene. But people were thinking that since she was introduced in Naruto or at the very least Neji's fight with her or the naked on the lake scene.
 
I swear their were at least two times they had Sakura do that, but times were clearly to make her the kitten unjustifiably picking on the shy girl (to justify more focus on Hinata) as well as to answer the Japanese fans who must have been constantly sending in letters asking, 'why was their so much damn focus on Hinata.'


Yeah I remember that scene of Hinata confession what at the time fully cemented my support for Naruhina at the time when the chapter came out, until I saw what the Hinata fandom was like in early 2013.

Are you referring to the omake where sakura is complaing about Hinata getting that bicycle ending?

Speaking of fans from Japan, I have stumbled apron one of chatters old blog posts with some comments from Japan fans thoughts on Hinata's so called popularity https://chatte-georg...and-hinatas-tr/

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Posted 11 August 2020 - 10:26 PM

Sakura-Chan trying to save Naruto out of his Four-Tailed state alone outweighs anything Hinata ever attempted to do for Naruto.


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Posted 12 August 2020 - 02:15 AM

Speaking of fans from Japan, I have stumbled apron one of chatters old blog posts with some comments from Japan fans thoughts on Hinata's so called popularity https://chatte-georg...and-hinatas-tr/

 

God that interview was a mess. I'm still can't get over the fact that Masashi said that Minato's design is based off of Akumaru of all of the characters.


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Posted 12 August 2020 - 03:20 AM

"he suffered because of sasuke and sakura"
lol

also why is it a bad thing for kakashi to be popular? kishi had to reduce his appearance? hmm


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