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[Nostradamus]

I'm sorry, I hope this isn't rude, but there are parts of this debate that are pointless.

I'm sorry but none of the ships made sense in the end. This includes NaruSaku.

If NaruSaku had remotely made sense, why is the fandom so split then? Why are are we so widely divided between NaruSaku vs. NaruHina and SasuSaku?

I agree with Analyzer, in a sense.

For me, Kishi's biggest mistake was the love triangle. It was prolonged to the point where every ship had a chance for credible endgame.

At the top of my head, I can recall three points where NaruSaku had the opportunity to be "endgame" without actually being endgame.

Both NaruHina and SasuSaku aren't some loud minority; there is a reason why the NaruHina fandom suddenly grew in size after 436 and 615, and why SasuSaku remained dominate even with Part 2. Kishi gave them ammo just like he gave us ammo with NaruSaku.

I'm sorry but you're wrong.

I don't like defending Kishi at all, but he has absolutely no blame for the love triangle. Why?

Because it does not exist. There is no real love triangle present in the Naruto story.

The love triangle or triangles were created by the fans, not by the writer whether you believe the writer is Kishi or Yahagi.

In order to have a love triangle, you need to show some romantic interest from all the parties. In Naruto we have two love triangles created by fans that are incapable of comprehending what is shown to them, thus making their own head canon and going by it. This is why we have the fandom so split as you called it. Cause we have people who understood what was given to them, while the other group made up their own stuff. Problem is the latter one decided to start spewing their misunderstandings as facts.

 

So we have the love triangles created by the fans, love triangle number 1 - Hinata><Naruto>Sakura and number 2 Sasuke><Sakura<Naruto

But in reality the so called love triangles never existed in the first place since in both of them one of characters never showed any romantic or any sort of interest in the other character.

So we have Hinata>Naruto><Sakura and Sasuke<Sakura><Naruto, which means instead of a love triangle we just have this Naruto><Sakura.

 

Kishimoto or Yahagi made it very clear, but he/they can't do anything about people who aren't bright enough to understand left from right and decide that left is right, and right is left.

Kishi's fault is in other places. Like having Kakashi being the worst teacher ever for Naruto and Sakura, only showing favoritism towards Sasuke. Even going so far to teach Sasuke an assassination technique and criticizing Jiraiya for teaching Naruto a move to protect himself.

Edited by Nostradamus, 22 October 2017 - 01:36 AM.

[Kasimir38]

 

My personal favorite picture! 

 

 

Still wish Naruto had his longer hair, but it's still some heartwarming art!

 

That's what I call a dynamic family! That Sakura picture though 

Aaah....the beauty, the grace...  

[James S Cassidy]

I'm sorry, I hope this isn't rude, but there are parts of this debate that are pointless.

I'm sorry but none of the ships made sense in the end. This includes NaruSaku.

If NaruSaku had remotely made sense, why is the fandom so split then? Why are are we so widely divided between NaruSaku vs. NaruHina and SasuSaku?

Why are fandoms split on anything in the fandom?
If Ichigo and Orihime made sense, why would people think Ichigo and Rukia?
If Naru and Keitaro made sense, why was there fandoms of the other girls to win?

Heck, if nothing makes sense, why have harem animes at all?
Did Toradora throw you or a curveball? Love Hina? Negima? How about Demon King Daimao? Pokemon? Digimon? Dragonball?
 

At the top of my head, I can recall three points where NaruSaku had the opportunity to be "endgame" without actually being endgame.

Every one can think of several points for all the pairings to be endgame and weren't.  Heck, even the canon pairings didn't get end game unitl after the series was over and NH had at least 7 chances to put an end to debate and didn't til the very end.

This is also the problem with pairings in the first place with Naruto. Toriyama was able to put Goku with ChiChi, Vegeta with Bulma, and even Gohan with Videl long before the series ended. So why did Kishimoto wait til the END OF THE SERIES when he could have just put two people together in the beginning and saved the entire point of trouble?

The problem was was that he refused to let any of the characters budge or change how they felt until the very end.
Sasuke could have been with Sakura long before him going rogue, but Kishimoto didn't and even reinforced Sasuke's behavior of not liking Sakura. (See chapter 693 for example)
Naruto could have been shown changing his feelings for Hinata at any time, but he kept having Naruto love Sakura until Naruto the Last movie which retconed those feelings. (Even in the movie, it didn't happen til somewhere towards the end.)
and yes, Sakura could have moved on to Naruto for several moments, but didn't because he wanted to keep it going to torture everyone.(Seeing how the fandom cared more about pairings than they did plot...there is no mistaking it.)

So the question I have is, if NH and SS was game the whole time why continue to reinforce the opposite until the end? Why continue to have Sasuke hate Sakura and Naruto to completly ignore Hinata until a genjutsu?

The biggest problem is not who he made canon, but HOW he made them canon and that is what bothers us the most even if we love NS to death.

I am sure many of us loved couples that didn't happen, but were okay with what couple did because we saw how the story supported it.




 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 05:23 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Why are fandoms split on anything in the fandom?
If Ichigo and Orihime made sense, why would people think Ichigo and Rukia?
If Naru and Keitaro made sense, why was there fandoms of the other girls to win?

Heck, if nothing makes sense, why have harem animes at all?
Did Toradora throw you or a curveball? Love Hina? Negima? How about Demon King Daimao? Pokemon? Digimon? Dragonball?
 

Every one can think of several points for all the pairings to be endgame and weren't.  Heck, even the canon pairings didn't get end game unitl after the series was over and NH had at least 7 chances to put an end to debate and didn't til the very end.

This is also the problem with pairings in the first place with Naruto. Toriyama was able to put Goku with ChiChi, Vegeta with Bulma, and even Gohan with Videl long before the series ended. So why did Kishimoto wait til the END OF THE SERIES when he could have just put two people together in the beginning and saved the entire point of trouble?

The problem was was that he refused to let any of the characters budge or change how they felt until the very end.
Sasuke could have been with Sakura long before him going rogue and Kishimoto didn't and even reinforced Sasuke's behavior of not liking Sakura. (See chapter 693 for example)
Naruto could have been shown changing his feelings for Hinata at any time, but he kept having Naruto love Sakura until Naruto the Last movie which retconed those feelings. (Even in the movie, it didn't happen til somewhere towards the end.)
and yes, Sakura could have moved on to Naruto for several moments, but didn't because he wanted to keep it going to torture everyone.(Seeing how the fandom cared more about pairings than they did plot...there is no mistaking it.)

So the question I have is, if NH and SS was game the whole time why continue to reinforce the opposite until the end? Why continue to have Sasuke hate Sakura and Naruto to completly ignore Hinata until a genjutsu?

The biggest problem is not who he made canon, but HOW he made them canon and that is what bothers us the most even if we love NS to death.

I am sure many of us loved couples that didn't happen, but were okay with what couple did because we saw how the story supported it.
 

 

James Cassidy, consider yourself the MVP of the H&E for this, buddy!!

I know some series have done what Naruto did where the story didn't support a pairing and it pissed me OFF. 

[Phantom_999]

I'm sorry but you're wrong.

I don't like defending Kishi at all, but he has absolutely no blame for the love triangle. Why?

Because it does not exist. There is no real love triangle present in the Naruto story.

The love triangle or triangles were created by the fans, not by the writer whether you believe the writer is Kishi or Yahagi.

In order to have a love triangle, you need to show some romantic interest from all the parties. In Naruto we have two love triangles created by fans that are incapable of comprehending what is shown to them, thus making their own head canon and going by it. This is why we have the fandom so split as you called it. Cause we have people who understood what was given to them, while the other group made up their own stuff. Problem is the latter one decided to start spewing their misunderstandings as facts.

 

So we have the love triangles created by the fans, love triangle number 1 - Hinata><Naruto>Sakura and number 2 Sasuke><Sakura<Naruto

But in reality the so called love triangles never existed in the first place since in both of them one of characters never showed any romantic or any sort of interest in the other character.

So we have Hinata>Naruto><Sakura and Sasuke<Sakura><Naruto, which means instead of a love triangle we just have this Naruto><Sakura.

 

Kishimoto or Yahagi made it very clear, but he/they can't do anything about people who aren't bright enough to understand left from right and decide that left is right, and right is left.

Kishi's fault is in other places. Like having Kakashi being the worst teacher ever for Naruto and Sakura, only showing favoritism towards Sasuke. Even going so far to teach Sasuke an assassination technique and criticizing Jiraiya for teaching Naruto a move to protect himself.

 

Mm, I'd say more of along the lines that it's not so much that the love triangles don't exist as they are are not fruitful or meaningful ones. all sides were CRUSHES and nothing more. Sakura liked Sasuke because he was the handsome, popular, cool guy that was flawless at their school and was a prodigy that excelled at everything, Naruto liked Sakura because he thought she was cute, and Hinata liked Naruto because she was vicariously seeing his sort of confidence and "never give up attitude" as a conduit of sorts for her self esteem problems. ALL are childish reasons to like someone and that is called INFATUATION.

 

But here is the thing,  out of all those crushes, which one evolved into something more? which one shows compassion, selflessness, support, and patience? which crush evolved into full fledged love that made that person stronger and overcoming an opponent that they were struggling against. in fact which one of those crushes seem to have a sort of reciprocation with the other party becoming just as selfless and protective of the other party? Even better, Which of theses feelings remain consistent through out the entire manga?

 

If Naruto and Sakura made no sense then by that logic  EVERY PAIRING is a CRACK PAIRING that doesn't make sense.

 

Does the Naruto X Sakura pairing have flaws? YES but that is what makes them the most realistic couple of them all because it is not that a couple needs to be flawless that they work out but rather they work out their flaws. they talk to each other ,spend time with each other, through good times and bad.

 

NH and SS fail in this regard, not only because they are not the flawless couples their supporters THINK THEY ARE, they also fail to do the the most fundamental and basic function of any long term relationship. They don't communicate. Let me rephrase that. Sasuke and Sakura don't communicate at all, and Hinata is just the typical "Yes dear" type of wife to Naruto that doesn't keep him in line for ANYTHING. I bring this up again, NH and SS seem more like those loveless, unwilling arranged marriages to me.

 

In all of part II/ Shippuden who does Naruto always spend his free time with? Sakura. Who understands Naruto the most and is always the the one to hive him the push he needs to get back up when he is down, and vice versa who does he do that for the most? Sakura.

 

Am I wrong?

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 October 2017 - 12:33 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

just got home from fayetteville comic con, got chris sabat's autograph
 

I asked him about the goku black arc, he says they're working on the english dub of it right now. can't wait for it to be dubbed.

How is he in real life I bet he's awesome.

[VanitasDS76491]

Why are fandoms split on anything in the fandom?
If Ichigo and Orihime made sense, why would people think Ichigo and Rukia?
If Naru and Keitaro made sense, why was there fandoms of the other girls to win?
Heck, if nothing makes sense, why have harem animes at all?
Did Toradora throw you or a curveball? Love Hina? Negima? How about Demon King Daimao? Pokemon? Digimon? Dragonball?
 

Every one can think of several points for all the pairings to be endgame and weren't.  Heck, even the canon pairings didn't get end game unitl after the series was over and NH had at least 7 chances to put an end to debate and didn't til the very end.
This is also the problem with pairings in the first place with Naruto. Toriyama was able to put Goku with ChiChi, Vegeta with Bulma, and even Gohan with Videl long before the series ended. So why did Kishimoto wait til the END OF THE SERIES when he could have just put two people together in the beginning and saved the entire point of trouble?
The problem was was that he refused to let any of the characters budge or change how they felt until the very end.
Sasuke could have been with Sakura long before him going rogue and Kishimoto didn't and even reinforced Sasuke's behavior of not liking Sakura. (See chapter 693 for example)
Naruto could have been shown changing his feelings for Hinata at any time, but he kept having Naruto love Sakura until Naruto the Last movie which retconed those feelings. (Even in the movie, it didn't happen til somewhere towards the end.)
and yes, Sakura could have moved on to Naruto for several moments, but didn't because he wanted to keep it going to torture everyone.(Seeing how the fandom cared more about pairings than they did plot...there is no mistaking it.)
So the question I have is, if NH and SS was game the whole time why continue to reinforce the opposite until the end? Why continue to have Sasuke hate Sakura and Naruto to completly ignore Hinata until a genjutsu?
The biggest problem is not who he made canon, but HOW he made them canon and that is what bothers us the most even if we love NS to death.
I am sure many of us loved couples that didn't happen, but were okay with what couple did because we saw how the story supported it.

I agree 100% with you James that's my problem with the couples mainly nh I don't hate them in and of themselves but how they got together is the problem, and ss that's I can't see going anywhere no matter what happens.

[Phantom_999]

Why are fandoms split on anything in the fandom?
If Ichigo and Orihime made sense, why would people think Ichigo and Rukia?
If Naru and Keitaro made sense, why was there fandoms of the other girls to win?

Heck, if nothing makes sense, why have harem animes at all?
Did Toradora throw you or a curveball? Love Hina? Negima? How about Demon King Daimao? Pokemon? Digimon? Dragonball?
 

Every one can think of several points for all the pairings to be endgame and weren't.  Heck, even the canon pairings didn't get end game unitl after the series was over and NH had at least 7 chances to put an end to debate and didn't til the very end.

This is also the problem with pairings in the first place with Naruto. Toriyama was able to put Goku with ChiChi, Vegeta with Bulma, and even Gohan with Videl long before the series ended. So why did Kishimoto wait til the END OF THE SERIES when he could have just put two people together in the beginning and saved the entire point of trouble?

The problem was was that he refused to let any of the characters budge or change how they felt until the very end.
Sasuke could have been with Sakura long before him going rogue and Kishimoto didn't and even reinforced Sasuke's behavior of not liking Sakura. (See chapter 693 for example)
Naruto could have been shown changing his feelings for Hinata at any time, but he kept having Naruto love Sakura until Naruto the Last movie which retconed those feelings. (Even in the movie, it didn't happen til somewhere towards the end.)
and yes, Sakura could have moved on to Naruto for several moments, but didn't because he wanted to keep it going to torture everyone.(Seeing how the fandom cared more about pairings than they did plot...there is no mistaking it.)

So the question I have is, if NH and SS was game the whole time why continue to reinforce the opposite until the end? Why continue to have Sasuke hate Sakura and Naruto to completly ignore Hinata until a genjutsu?

The biggest problem is not who he made canon, but HOW he made them canon and that is what bothers us the most even if we love NS to death.

I am sure many of us loved couples that didn't happen, but were okay with what couple did because we saw how the story supported it.




 

 

Let me add to that James, although you covered it VERY WELL. Here is what bugs me. It is practically FORCED down our throats that Naruto and Hinata were meant to be together from the beginning but as you say Why doesn't Naruto show any attraction to Hinata before the end? Why Does Sasuke treat Sakura as an annoyance than a friend early in part 1 and all of part II. If these these couples were meant to be together from the beginning, why wasn't there more focus on developing these couples instead of Naruto X Sakura? Why where these couples only made last minute if they were always meant to be canon when Dragon Ball that doesn't even focus on romance, established it's couples early and even does a better job portraying the the relationship of its couples? 

 

In fact Why did Naruto and Sakura's relationship need to be DESTROYED for both of these couples to even work. Naruto and Sakura went form best friends that always are together to strangers that are only acquainted with each other  after The Last". And again the writers of this trash force us to believe that Naruto and Sakura are still platonic life partners or like brother and Sister but they don't even talk to each other. NOT ONE CONVERSATION between them occurs after "The Last". Here is a good example of Platonic life partners 

 

There is an anime that came out recently called "Gamers!" and the Main character is going out with the School Idol, because they (sort of) bond over their love of video games, and it was consistently shown he is only attracted to her and she is attracted to him. BUT is he closest with his girlfriend? No. HE spends much more time with his best friend's girlfriend and is close enough that the girlfriend and  best friend thing that he and this other girl would be a better couple, but both the Main character and the Best friend's girlfiend explicitly state that they are not into each other at all. 

 

Do you see that with NH or SS here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

I'm sorry. was I talking to you?

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 October 2017 - 05:33 PM.

[ultranx]

How is he in real life I bet he's awesome.

he was really nice, still shocked I got to actually meet him, never thought that'd happen xD

[Shashank95]

 

 

I'm sorry. was I talking to you?

 

[Catra]

 

gosh remember how mysterious and badass itachi was when first introduced and how well he was drawn in part 1 anime??

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

Let me add to that James, although you covered it VERY WELL. Here is what bugs me. It is practically FORCED down our throats that Naruto and Hinata were meant to be together from the beginning but as you say Why doesn't Naruto show any attraction to Hinata before the end? Why Does Sasuke treat Sakura as an annoyance than a friend early in part 1 and all of part II. If these these couples were meant to be together from the beginning, why wasn't there more focus on developing these couples instead of Naruto X Sakura? Why where these couples only made last minute if they were always meant to be canon when Dragon Ball that doesn't even focus on romance, established it's couples early and even does a better job portraying the the relationship of its couples? 

 

In fact Why did Naruto and Sakura's relationship need to be DESTROYED for both of these couples to even work. Naruto went form best friends that always are together to like strangers that are only acquainted with each other  after The Last". And again the writers of this trash force us to believe that Naruto and Sakura are still platonic life partners or like brother and Sister but they don't even talk to each other. NOT ONE CONVERSATION between them occurs after "The Last". Here is a good example of Platonic life partners 

 

There is an anime that came out recently called "Gamers!" and the Main character is going out with the School Idol, because they (sort of) bond over their love of video games, and it was consistently shown he is only attracted to her and she is attracted to him. BUT is he closest with his girlfriend? No. HE spends much more time with his best friend's girlfriend and is close enough that the girlfriend and  best friend thing that he and this other girl would be a better couple, but both the Main character and the Best friend's girlfiend explicitly state that they are not into each other at all. 

 

Do you see that with NH or SS here?

 

I do think Keita and Aguri are just adorable together, but unlike what I see with NH / SS / pro-end fans, I don't feel they MUST be together in the main story, especially since the story doesn't justify it and, as you said, the two have denied their relationship being like that several times while Keita and Karen have been actively trying to get to know each other better and further their relationship, despite how it started. And while Keita may be on overall friendly terms with Chiaki (outside of opinions on some gaming topics), the only romantic feelings to be shown so far have come solely from Chiaki and have yet to ever be reciprocated by Keita.

Now if the story were to continue in this exact fashion, yet Keita is suddenly made to be with Chiaki at the end and not Karen, that is almost exactly what NH / SS is.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I do think Keita and Aguri are just adorable together, but unlike what I see with NH / SS / pro-end fans, I don't feel they MUST be together in the main story, especially since the story doesn't justify it and, as you said, the two have denied their relationship being like that several times while Keita and Karen have been actively trying to get to know each other better and further their relationship, despite how it started. And while Keita may be on overall friendly terms with Chiaki (outside of opinions on some gaming topics), the only romantic feelings to be shown so far have come solely from Chiaki and have yet to ever be reciprocated by Keita.

Now if the story were to continue in this exact fashion, yet Keita is suddenly made to be with Chiaki at the end and not Karen, that is almost exactly what NH / SS is.

 

Exactly, and I feel the same way. With Keita and Aguri, you see how close they could be, but they obviously have their feelings for their respective other with, as you said, Keita working his hardest to get to know Karen better and Aguri really loves Tasuku, even if he feels insecure right now because of how well she gets along with Keita, which also kinda leaves Chiaki in the cold.

 

It also reminds me somewhat of Haganai. Though there wasn't a defined relationship early on, we see how in the long run that the love triangle there complicates things big time, since Yozora is obsessed with Kodaka from the past, even if both of them have changed, and she is unable to let go of the past bonds they had, and then we have Sena, who doesn't care about the past bonds she's had with Kodaka but has gotten to like him for who he is in the here and now. That is something I parallel to Naruto and Sakura as well as Naruto and Hinata; Hinata is in love with Naruto's IDEALS, and even then knows NOTHING about the man himself, while Sakura obviously loved Naruto for who he is after being around him so long, and her desire to want to protect his dream to become Hokage no matter what, when Hinata didn't seem to CARE about that dream of Naruto's.

[Yojeveka]

 

Let me add to that James, although you covered it VERY WELL. Here is what bugs me. It is practically FORCED down our throats that Naruto and Hinata were meant to be together from the beginning but as you say Why doesn't Naruto show any attraction to Hinata before the end? Why Does Sasuke treat Sakura as an annoyance than a friend early in part 1 and all of part II. If these these couples were meant to be together from the beginning, why wasn't there more focus on developing these couples instead of Naruto X Sakura? Why where these couples only made last minute if they were always meant to be canon when Dragon Ball that doesn't even focus on romance, established it's couples early and even does a better job portraying the the relationship of its couples? 

 

In fact Why did Naruto and Sakura's relationship need to be DESTROYED for both of these couples to even work. Naruto went form best friends that always are together to like strangers that are only acquainted with each other  after The Last". And again the writers of this trash force us to believe that Naruto and Sakura are still platonic life partners or like brother and Sister but they don't even talk to each other. NOT ONE CONVERSATION between them occurs after "The Last". Here is a good example of Platonic life partners 

 

There is an anime that came out recently called "Gamers!" and the Main character is going out with the School Idol, because they (sort of) bond over their love of video games, and it was consistently shown he is only attracted to her and she is attracted to him. BUT is he closest with his girlfriend? No. HE spends much more time with his best friend's girlfriend and is close enough that the girlfriend and  best friend thing that he and this other girl would be a better couple, but both the Main character and the Best friend's girlfiend explicitly state that they are not into each other at all. 

 

Do you see that with NH or SS here?

 

 

 

I'm sorry. was I talking to you?

 

You're so right! It's such a shame that people cares more about self inserting themselves than the actual development of these characters.

 

Remember Junko Takeuchi? She's a NS shipper and she admitted that NH being canon was a "TA-DA" for her. If they were meant to be together, then why was she shocked about it? She may not be the author, but she spent years voicing Naruto. I think he's her most iconic role and of course she knows him pretty well. That says a lot. 

[James S Cassidy]

 

James Cassidy, consider yourself the MVP of the H&E for this, buddy!!

I know some series have done what Naruto did where the story didn't support a pairing and it pissed me OFF. 

 

Thank you.
 

 

 

 

Let me add to that James, although you covered it VERY WELL. Here is what bugs me. It is practically FORCED down our throats that Naruto and Hinata were meant to be together from the beginning but as you say Why doesn't Naruto show any attraction to Hinata before the end? Why Does Sasuke treat Sakura as an annoyance than a friend early in part 1 and all of part II. If these these couples were meant to be together from the beginning, why wasn't there more focus on developing these couples instead of Naruto X Sakura? Why where these couples only made last minute if they were always meant to be canon when Dragon Ball that doesn't even focus on romance, established it's couples early and even does a better job portraying the the relationship of its couples? 

 

In fact Why did Naruto and Sakura's relationship need to be DESTROYED for both of these couples to even work. Naruto went form best friends that always are together to like strangers that are only acquainted with each other  after The Last". And again the writers of this trash force us to believe that Naruto and Sakura are still platonic life partners or like brother and Sister but they don't even talk to each other. NOT ONE CONVERSATION between them occurs after "The Last". Here is a good example of Platonic life partners 

 

There is an anime that came out recently called "Gamers!" and the Main character is going out with the School Idol, because they (sort of) bond over their love of video games, and it was consistently shown he is only attracted to her and she is attracted to him. BUT is he closest with his girlfriend? No. HE spends much more time with his best friend's girlfriend and is close enough that the girlfriend and  best friend thing that he and this other girl would be a better couple, but both the Main character and the Best friend's girlfiend explicitly state that they are not into each other at all. 

 

Do you see that with NH or SS here?

Exactly. The more you look at it and the deeper you look, the less it all makes sense. The only people who enjoy this ending are the people who are purposely biased towards their own pairing and pretend that nothing bad ever happened in their fav. couples lives.

People always tell me that I am salty because my couple didn't become canon....well, I will then argue that the only reason why they love the ending is becasue of their favorite couple happened.

No matter how much of a fan you are, you can't blindly say "This is 100% flawless" because nothing is 100% flawless. If anything a real fan would take the time and love to notice flaws within the story. This is why some of the NH and SS fans defected...yeah they got what they wanted in couples, but even they admit that NS was better and that their ending, although a win, is not really a victory because of how sloppy and undiginified their couple has been treated.

You can win the battle, but lose the war especially if people take you as more of a joke than a passionate fan of the series. Any one with true fandom in their hert, no matter what it is, will know when they are being played like fiddle to give money. People do not like to be played or insulted and that is what Kishimoto did. To everyone, not just us here at NS.

As for the "Gamers!" one, well I can't say anything because I havent seen it. Maybe I will check it out for the sake of what you are referring to.

I do find though that in a lot of the harems you do see "First love interest get first dibs." What I mean is, whether male or female, I find that more often than not the first love interest will always get to be the canon couple in the end.

Love Hina: Keitaro first meets Narusegawa and they get together around the middle of the series and married by the end. Regardless, if any other girl starts to love Keitaro.

Demon King Daimao: Akuto Sai meets Junko Hattori first and it is heavily assumed that they end up together despite several characters loving Akuto.
Maid-sama: Misaka first meets Usui....she marries him in the end.
Love me , Seriously!! (Aka Oh, Samurai Girls): Yamato first fell in love with Momoyo and they end up together in the end.

Now, it is not always this way, but it is the most likey outcome that many stories follow. Even when there was another girl who was madly in love with the main character and publicly displays this.

NaruHina is like the only couple that breaks all molds. I basically have never seen any other couple become canon the way NH did and if there is one please point it out so I can avoid that story, but so far...I can't think of a single anime that does the same thing.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 October 2017 - 08:19 AM.

[Kasimir38]

 

Junko is the anime voice actor. You know, the anime that botched so many things. She's not the best source, as she's not truly attached to the work like an author or an editor would be. It's at most interesting, and I really wouldn't take it more then that.

 

Because if you do, Junko actually thought Naruto would end up like Jirayai, single, but she was happy that Naruto did find love, to, you know, show that it wasn't unenjoyable for her, thus this Ta-Da thing isn't much of a negative, when you build in the rest of the context. 

 

Don't want to sound rude...But why is it that you always have to contradict with other people?
I think the voice actress of Naruto himself is a pretty decent source since voice actors put feelings and emotions into a character and make it alive...thus they know the character itself pretty well and if she is/was an NS shipper, that does say much about it. I don't know her well, but I believe that being against NH would not suit a professional very well- since you don't bite the hand that feeds you... But you really have to differentiate between "fact" and "context".

Of course, Kishimoto would defend his purposes, in the end, so everything that speaks against NS is a fact. But in context, in a more reasonable, logical interconnection, NS has its existence.

[James S Cassidy]

This will always be one of my favorite movies and how Naruto maybe should have been in pairing terms.

[Shashank95]

 

Just leaving this here. Once again to illustrate a genius that we lost due to the ending.

[VanitasDS76491]

 
gosh remember how mysterious and badass itachi was when first introduced and how well he was drawn in part 1 anime??

 
Ya til kishi saw mgs 3 of the boss and said you I could rip off that character but not have any of the emotion or heart Kojima put in to the boss and naked snake. I'm just guessing at this but Ya itachi's revelation is too similar to the boss's
 

he was really nice, still shocked I got to actually meet him, never thought that'd happen xD

I'd love to meet alot of voice actors I like Chris sabat's being one of them, I'd like to meet yuri Lowenthal the guy who voices sasuke, his wife Tara platt, Johnny yong bosch, Troy baker and others.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

Thank you.
 

 

 

Exactly. The more you look at it and the deeper you look, the less it all makes sense. The only people who enjoy this ending are the people who are purposely biased towards their own pairing and pretend that nothing bad ever happened in their fav. couples lives.

People always tell me that I am salty because my couple didn't become canon....well, I will then argue that the only reason why they love the ending is becasue of their favorite couple happened.

No matter how much of a fan you are, you can't blindly say "This is 100% flawless" because nothing is 100% flawless. If anything a real fan would take the time and love to notice flaws within the story. This is why some of the NH and SS fans defected...yeah they got what they wanted in couples, but even they admit that NS was better and that their ending, although a win, is not really a victory because of how sloppy and undiginified their couple has been treated.

You can win the battle, but lose the war especially if people take you as more of a joke than a passionate fan of the series. Any one with true fandom in their hert, no matter what it is, will know when they are being played like fiddle to give money. People do not like to be played or insulted and that is what Kishimoto did. To everyone, not just us here at NS.

As for the "Gamers!" one, well I can't say anything because I havent seen it. Maybe I will check it out for the sake of what you are referring to.

I do find though that in a lot of the harems you do see "First love interest get first dibs." What I mean is, whether male or female, I find that more often than not the first love interest will always get to be the canon couple in the end.

Love Hina: Keitaro first meets Narusegawa and they get together around the middle of the series and married by the end. Regardless, if any other girl starts to love Keitaro.

Demon King Daimao: Akuto Sai meets Junko Hattori first and it is heavily assumed that they end up together despite several characters loving Akuto.
Maid-sama: Misaka first meets Usui....she marries him in the end.
Love me , Seriously!! (Aka Oh, Samurai Girls): Yamato first fell in love with Momoyo and they end up together in the end.

Now, it is not always this way, but it is the most likey outcome that many stories follow. Even when there was another girl who was madly in love with the main character and publicly displays this.

NaruHina is like the only couple that breaks all molds. I basically have never seen any other couple become canon the way NH did and if there is one please point it out so I can avoid that story, but so far...I can't think of a single anime that does the same thing.
 

 

Yeah, the "default girl" is usually the most basic and easiest one to do a story around it seems like (though, depending on how they're done, also usually where a lot of cliches are used).

Of course, if they do a different girl from the default girl, it's usually pretty good and noticeable. The first time I recall seeing it happen was Shuffle!, where Rin, our male MC, ended up with Asa - the outgoing, friendly, slightly tomboyish, slightly flirty and teasing girl type who is usually further back in the running for the boy's heart - rather than Kaede (the childhood friend, and we know they rarely ever win either) or Shia or Nerine, the two who are essentially set up as the main choices. The two develop quite well together over the series and Rin nearly dies to save Asa's life at the end.

https://youtu.be/hCJYKFX9r0c

(Short version - Asa has a lot of magic power in her body, but refuses to use it because she's afraid she couldn't consider herself human anymore and as a result, so the large amount of magic built up acts more like a poison to her, slowly killing her and causing her to have a weak composition, getting sick pretty often and so on, and by this point at the series, not long after she and Rin got together, she was going to die soon and yet she still stubbornly refuses to use her magic, even though doing so would not only keep her from dying, but basically cure her, so Rin resorts to this desperate measure to save her life.)

The other series I recall being Mashiro-iro Symphony, where the default girl in the visual novel is Airi Sena, but in the anime, our male MC, Shingo, ends up with Miu Amaha, and afterwards, we see Sana Inui, one of the other girls who develops a crush on Shingo, sitting on a swing, heartbroken, and Airi tries to comfort her, only for both of them to break down crying. Sadly, can't find a video of it at the moment.
 

 
Ya til kishi saw mgs 3 of the boss and said you I could rip off that character but not have any of the emotion or heart Kojima put in to the boss and naked snake. I'm just guessing at this but Ya itachi's revelation is too similar to the boss's
  I'd love to meet alot of voice actors I like Chris sabat's being one of them, I'd like to meet yuri Lowenthal the guy who voices sasuke, his wife Tara platt, Johnny yong bosch, Troy baker and others.

Doubly so for Johnny Yong Bosch - VA and former second black Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger / green Zeo Ranger! lol