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[lupina]

I really wonder what she's trying to accomplish with this. I mean ... I doubt she's getting paid for it, but considering the recent events, I really wonder ...

Edited by lupina, 14 December 2017 - 12:45 AM.

[DrK]

 

Analyzer is really insane is what she is. I wonder if she is doing all of this because she got banned here, and how we were so against her and her wanting us to follow her way of thinking. Kinda sad how far she's willing to go to try to discredit anyone who opposes her in the end. =/ She needs a life BIG TIME.

Well.. She had started to edit it before getting banned. But probably, that was just a side thing to her at first. After she was banned, she was filled with a furious resolve towards the Moe and Tsundere pages on TV tropes. Add to that the fact that she has so much more free time now, and it makes sense that she would keep editing it.

[Phantom_999]

 

Man you hit the nail on the head. I'm still asking how this story changed from being about Naruto, his struggles in life and about his dream to being all about Hinata?  

 

It HAD to be all about Hinata in order to "justify" how NaruHina becomes canon, and even so we all for sure as hell are not convinced. Naruto made it perfectly clear what his goals and aspirations were in the manga and who were his most precious ones, and trust me, Hinata by default, falls in with the REST of the Konoha 11 at best, or the rest of the crowd at worst. SO, how does SP go about making Naruto falling for Hinata "BELIEVABLE"? (in no one's minds but their own) They had to bring Naruto down to "Goku levels" of naivete, if not stupidity on love and relationships and turn him into a scumbag who views women as trophies to be won and anyone that is remotely a threat to being more important to him than Hinata are either not in his field of vision, or have their bond with him burned into oblivion.

 

Plus there is the fact ath ALL named characters that even know who Hinata is is playing matchmaker and saying he would look cute with Hinata, or he would BENEFIT from marrying Hinata, that it has become a madness mantra that he must "love and marry Hinata" so I compare that to brainwashing truth be told.

 

Anyway there is no need to wonder about that movie because even though supporters and the officials SAY it is canon I will never accept it as canon because it already destroyed the ground work of the very first chapter of the manga that was established. Naruto  never knew the kage bunshin technique at the age of 6 and Hinata was NEVER someone he knew from childhood. If he was, why didn't he even acknowledge that when Hinata was first introduced in the manga?

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 December 2017 - 07:59 PM.

[DrK]

 

It HAD to be all about Hinata in order to "justify" how NaruHina becomes canon, and even so we all for sure as hell not convinced. Naruto made it perfectly clear what his goals and aspirations were in the manga and who were his most precious ones, and trust me, Hinata by default, falls in with the REST of the Konoha 11  at best, or the rest of the crowd art worst. SO, how does SP go about making Naruto falling for Hinata "BELIEVABLE"? (in no one's minds but their own) They had to bring Naruto down to "Goku levels" of naivete, if not stupidity on love and relationships and turn him into a scumbag who views women as trophies to be won and anyone that is remotely a threat to being more important to him than Hinata are not in his field of vision, or have their bond with him burned into oblivion.

The explanation Analyzer gave is that he secretly loved Hinata the whole time, but he just didn't know it because he's ignorant like Goku. So if nobody brainwashed him, he would've simply missed out on being with his true love with no fanfare. This is a little weird to think about happening. Like would he feel bad about it, or wouldn't he because he doesn't even know? He had no interest in walking with Hinata, so obviously being away with Hinata is something he is completely fine with.

 

If Goku secretly loved Bulma the whole time, at least then Vegeta would finally have beaten him at something. Naruto secretly loving Hinata the whole time is just poisonous to the whole series.

[Phantom_999]

that's the explanation  pro-enders WANT to think. It doesn't make it true. Even if Naruto had his moments with Hinata, there was nothing in the narrative that hinted that he viewed her as a more than a friend, and no He is not oblivious to love, he sees it with others and he made it perfectly clear that he loves Sakura and not in a shallow way. nothing he ever did for Sakura's sake was shallow

 

Oh funny story, there were these NaruHina fans that were complaining on their youtube video that they didn't like The Last because it focused too much on Naruto and Hinata and they wanted it to be about something else becasue apparently they thought all NaruHina's development is already with in the story.

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 December 2017 - 03:48 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

It HAD to be all about Hinata in order to "justify" how NaruHina becomes canon, and even so we all for sure as hell not convinced. Naruto made it perfectly clear what his goals and aspirations were in the manga and who were his most precious ones, and trust me, Hinata by default, falls in with the REST of the Konoha 11  at best, or the rest of the crowd art worst. SO, how does SP go about making Naruto falling for Hinata "BELIEVABLE"? (in no one's minds but their own) They had to bring Naruto down to "Goku levels" of naivete, if not stupidity on love and relationships and turn him into a scumbag who views women as trophies to be won and anyone that is remotely a threat to being more important to him than Hinata are not in his field of vision, or have their bond with him burned into oblivion.
 
Plus there is the fact ath ALL named characters that even know who Hinata is is playing matchmaker and saying he would look cute with Hinata,o r he would BENEFIT from marrying Hinata, that it has become a mantra that he must "love and marry Hinata" so I compare that to brainwashing truth be told.
 
anyway there is no need to wonder about that movie because even though supporters and the officials SAY it is canon I will never accept it as canon it as such because it already destroyed the ground work of the very first chapter of the manga that was established. Naruto  never knew the kage bunshin technique at the age of 6 and Hinata was NEVER someone he knew from childhood. If he was, why didn't he even acknowledge that when Hinata was first introduced in the manga?

Naruto has more holes in it than pai plan to repeal net neutrality.

[Derock]

 

It HAD to be all about Hinata in order to "justify" how NaruHina becomes canon, and even so we all for sure as hell not convinced. Naruto made it perfectly clear what his goals and aspirations were in the manga and who were his most precious ones, and trust me, Hinata by default, falls in with the REST of the Konoha 11  at best, or the rest of the crowd art worst. SO, how does SP go about making Naruto falling for Hinata "BELIEVABLE"? (in no one's minds but their own) They had to bring Naruto down to "Goku levels" of naivete, if not stupidity on love and relationships and turn him into a scumbag who views women as trophies to be won and anyone that is remotely a threat to being more important to him than Hinata are not in his field of vision, or have their bond with him burned into oblivion.

 

Plus there is the fact ath ALL named characters that even know who Hinata is is playing matchmaker and saying he would look cute with Hinata,o r he would BENEFIT from marrying Hinata, that it has become a mantra that he must "love and marry Hinata" so I compare that to brainwashing truth be told.

 

anyway there is no need to wonder about that movie because even though supporters and the officials SAY it is canon I will never accept it as canon it as such because it already destroyed the ground work of the very first chapter of the manga that was established. Naruto  never knew the kage bunshin technique at the age of 6 and Hinata was NEVER someone he knew from childhood. If he was, why didn't he even acknowledge that when Hinata was first introduced in the manga?

 

As I said, its all about forcing the audience that Hinata is the One, without researching the source material. By doing that, character assassination begun Naruto, the titular character (which should NOT be touched to begin with) with retcons and information that was not in the official manga and the anime(?). I put that question there because for some reason Studio Pierrot added stuff that somehow doesn't work or to benefit certain characters like Hinata. Best example is her confession episode, adding some BS flashback to show sympathy for her that wasn't even needed and some sort of fight scene) while ignoring others like Sakura that would've benefit because she is the main female and is part of her development (bullying). What's even worse that they decided to use the SAME premise but change it a bit in a movie to even benefited Hinata MORE. That so-called justification caused the franchise to go down under because either SP, Masashi or the higher ups at Suiensha took a huge risk and did not get the benefits as the result with this New Generation project. All for pairings and whining from Western fans that possibly aren't real fans, thinking that the franchise would've been successful worldwide for many years like Dragon Ball.

 

One thing about this New Generation project I have say is this example. Street Fighter did it with 3 back in 96. First game was called New Generation. New arcade engine (CPS-3) but the fan favorites (characters like Guile, Sagat, Cammy, hell even Sakura from the Alpha/Zero series) did not return. The team initially created all new characters but feared backlash. Before the official release, Ryu and Ken added in to get the fans into the game. Later Akuma and Chun-Li came back in Second Impact and Third Strike respectfully. But it became too little, too late.

 

Why am I speaking about this and what this got to do with Naruto? Here's the reason, around that time, the arcade scene was about to fade, especially in the West. Also 2-D fighting games were declining because 3-D was the rage especially with Virtua Fighter, 2 and 3 delivered jaw-dropping graphics and Tekken dominated the gameplay when 3 came out.  As for Street Fighter, the grandfather of fighting games, fans did not like the 3 series because the lost of fan favorites and the gameplay was too technical. When bringing back Akuma and Chun-Li in the sequels, it wasn't enough. Many prefer to go back to the 2 series, especially with Super Turbo, still being played in tournaments today. Third Strike became a good game many years later when it became accessible and then the new characters like Alex, Ibuki, Urien and Dudley became popular.

 

My point is that going towards a New Generation situation will not be the safest idea if executed properly. Soul series did that with Soul Calibur 5 and that game got panned really badly for going down that route, characters and storywise. 6 just got announced this month and guess what? The team said reboot and were going back to the original Soul Calibur when it reached critical acclaim for the Sega Dreamcast.  Tekken 3 did the same thing when it came out but it got away with it because most of the main characters were there for story reasons and the new cast were likable (replacing the previous contenders -either dead (Kazuya, King 1), incapacitated (Baek), missing (Bruce, Kunimitsu) or kidnapped and, somehow too old due to ageism at the time (Michelle)- ), not mention the critics praised it for the introduction of sidestepping.

 

Forgot about this but there's another game that did got away with the New Generation route. SNK's Garou: Mark of the Wolves, the last game of the Fatal Fury franchise. Only one character came back, and that was Terry Bogard, the main protagonist (and mascot). Everyone else were brand new but they were likeable from the start: Rock Howard was Geese Howard's (Main antagonist) son that was adopted by Terry, he became popular because of his personality and moveset. Same with others, B. Jenet (waifu with big boobs, and right behind Mai Shiranui-status), Hotaru Futaba (moe), Gato, Tizoc... these characters became popular, and appeared in later SNK and crossover titles such as the King of Fighters. All of this is based on execution done right.

 

I wonder that if Naruto is heading towards the Street Fighter route but I'm not sure it will have a Third Strike moment that suddenly bring back the old fans especially in the mindsets of the likely susceptible mentions.

[DrK]

I wonder that if Naruto is heading towards the Street Fighter route but I'm not sure it will have a Third Strike moment that suddenly bring back the old fans especially in the mindsets of the likely susceptible mentions.

I know what you meant, but did you really just talk about Boruto and 3rd Strike in the same sentence? That has to be some kind of sacrilege against Street Fighter. The only context for this that I would enjoy would be Boruto getting the tar beaten out of him by Q.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

It HAD to be all about Hinata in order to "justify" how NaruHina becomes canon, and even so we all for sure as hell are not convinced. Naruto made it perfectly clear what his goals and aspirations were in the manga and who were his most precious ones, and trust me, Hinata by default, falls in with the REST of the Konoha 11  at best, or the rest of the crowd art worst. SO, how does SP go about making Naruto falling for Hinata "BELIEVABLE"? (in no one's minds but their own) They had to bring Naruto down to "Goku levels" of naivete, if not stupidity on love and relationships and turn him into a scumbag who views women as trophies to be won and anyone that is remotely a threat to being more important to him than Hinata are not in his field of vision, or have their bond with him burned into oblivion.

 

Plus there is the fact ath ALL named characters that even know who Hinata is is playing matchmaker and saying he would look cute with Hinata,or he would BENEFIT from marrying Hinata, that it has become a madness mantra that he must "love and marry Hinata" so I compare that to brainwashing truth be told.

 

anyway there is no need to wonder about that movie because even though supporters and the officials SAY it is canon I will never accept it as canon because it already destroyed the ground work of the very first chapter of the manga that was established. Naruto  never knew the kage bunshin technique at the age of 6 and Hinata was NEVER someone he knew from childhood. If he was, why didn't he even acknowledge that when Hinata was first introduced in the manga?

Even Goku had some tender moments with Chichi in DBZ, like in the Deadzone film (how worried he was about her) and even sharing a kiss after he recovered from he heart virus. To quote Forrest Gump, "I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is."

There was NOTHING between Naruto and Hinatatas that would even hint at mutual love in the slightest.

 

that's the explanation  pro-enders WANT to think. It doesn't make it true. Even if Naruto had his moments with Hinata, there was nothing in the narrative that hinted that he viewed her as a more than a friend, and no He is not oblivious to love, he sees it with others and he made it perfectly clear that he loves Sakura and not in a shallow way. nothing he ever did for Skura's sake was shallow

 

Oh funny story, there were these NaruHina fans that were complaining on their youtube video that they didn't like The Last because it focused too much on Naruto and Hinata and they wanted it to be about something else becasue apparently they thought all NaruHina's development is already with in the story.

They'll take ANY panel that did so much as have Naruto and Hinatatas's faces in the same scene and declare it a "NH moment", and any so-called "NH moment" that they can point to in the manga is not even a "NH" moment, but purely "H" moment, because those moments were there solely for Hinatatas's benefit, not Hinatatas AND Naruto's since you could exclude them from the story and nothing would have changed, thus showing how they had no meaning for Naruto's in development in any shape or form; individually or mutually with Hinatatas, much less romantically. And even them solely being Hinatatas's moments, they STILL do NOTHING for her at all as she herself never develops in any respectable fashion because of said moments. It's all literally just pandering to pairing goggles-wearing fans..

[DrK]

Even Goku had some tender moments with Chichi in DBZ, like in the Deadzone film (how worried he was about her) and even sharing a kiss after he recovered from he heart virus. To quote Forrest Gump, "I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is."

In Super, there's an episode that implies he's never actually kissed Chi Chi, though. I dunno what to make of that. It would be very Sasuke of him if he didn't.

 

Sakura is married to someone with the romantic capability of a Goku, but not the care or kindness of a Goku. Awesome.

Edited by DrK, 14 December 2017 - 04:31 AM.

[Derock]

I know what you meant, but did you really just talk about Boruto and 3rd Strike in the same sentence? That has to be some kind of sacrilege against Street Fighter. The only context for this that I would enjoy would be Boruto getting the tar beaten out of him by Q.

 

Not really but I was trying to see if it was going to have the analogy. Though seeing Q beating Boruto... hmmm ... oh God, just imagine bringing in Gill...

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Not really but I was trying to see if it was going to have the analogy. Though seeing Q beating Boruto... hmmm ... oh God, just imagine bringing in Gill...

 

Yeah, I imagine it now!

Gill to Madara: The mark of my deity shall scar thy DNA. 

[DrK]

The Yamato line.
 











 
What happens in this scene? After the events at the Heaven & Earth bridge, Sakura is healing Naruto. Her wound is shown to still be hurting her. Then the unconscious Naruto is shown to still be in pain and Sakura expresses a desire to learn Yamato's jutsu to restrain a bijuu. However, it requires the Wood Release, so she can't. Sakura remarks that she can only do the dumbest of things for Naruto. Yamato says that it's not about what she can do for Naruto, it's about how strongly she feels about him. He then smiles knowingly and begins to tell Sakura something that is apparent to him about her feelings for Naruto. But Naruto wakes up and he is interrupted.

What was the significance of this supposed to be? Sakura wants to help Naruto. In fact, at this point, Sakura would do anything to help Naruto. This is obvious to Yamato. He eyes the claw marks on her arm before making his statement. Everything that I said in the post about the bridge scene also applies here. Sakura got herself injured solely because she couldn't bear to watch Naruto suffer because she cared about him so much that it hurt.
 
What was Yamato going to say? Canonically, there's nothing he could have said that makes any sense in retrospect. "The truth is, you really view Naruto as an important friend?" That would be stating the obvious considering she just expressed a desire to learn a technique to help him. So Yamato was about to reveal something about Sakura's feelings that she had yet to acknowledge. The fact that Naruto was a close friend of hers was in the open. The fact that she cared about Naruto was also made extremely clear. What else is there other than that she has romantic feelings towards Naruto?
 
Did Naruto love Sakura at this point? Yes.

Did Sakura love Naruto at this point? Yamato thinks she does. At this point, do we have any reason to doubt him? No.
 
So what does this mean for NaruSaku? Sakura is starting to return the feelings that Naruto has for her. This is great. Basically everything in this arc is about Sakura's care for Naruto and desire to help Naruto. The bridge scene had connotations that I talked about in the earlier post. This scene is a continuation. In case anyone didn't understand that Sakura getting herself hurt over her own heartache could be interpreted as romantic.

Rating: 4. On its own, this scene is not as bad as the bridge scene overall. However, Yamato's line, and as a consequence this whole scene means nothing now. Sakura did not love Naruto.
 
Just ignore the fact that that wound on her arm, a scar that she would still have on her body today, is a testament to how much she cared about Naruto and needed him to be alright. It's fine if he's just not a part of her life anymore. What does Sakura even think about when she looks at that arm?

 

I challenge anyone to explain her abandonment of Naruto in a way that makes any sense. It's even worse than Sasuke's abandonment of Karin with no explanation. You don't just forget about someone who was the most important person to you and just move on to live a mediocre life. Especially not in a god damn shonen about BONDS.
 

 
I like how after posing this question, she doesn't even look up at Yamato. She continues to gaze down at Naruto, sweating, with profound emotion on her face.
 
Sakura's heart couldn't deal with this. It was too much for her. But she has no problem pushing Naruto towards Hinata in the Last, sentencing herself to a life with someone who tried to kill her and who will never be around. We don't see any such emotion from Sakura in regard to this. She's totally fine with it, and is totally fine with the terrible consequences of this decision.
 
These character moments of deep inner turmoil are not reconcilable with the ending. Is losing Naruto to death really so much different than losing him because of your own indifference and nonsensical obsession? Not really. She still lost him and is way worse off for it.

Edited by DrK, 16 December 2017 - 05:17 PM.

[Gravenimage]

The Yamato line.
 











 
What happens in this scene? After the events at the Heaven & Earth bridge, Sakura is healing Naruto. Her wound is shown to still be hurting her. Then the unconscious Naruto is shown to still be in pain and Sakura expresses a desire to learn Yamato's jutsu to restrain a bijuu. However, it requires the Wood Release, so she can't. Sakura remarks that she can only do the dumbest of things for Naruto. Yamato says that it's not about what she can do for Naruto, it's about how strongly she feels about him. He then smiles knowingly and begins to tell Sakura something that is apparent to him about her feelings for Naruto. But Naruto wakes up and he is interrupted.

What was the significance of this supposed to be? Sakura wants to help Naruto. In fact, at this point, Sakura would do anything to help Naruto. This is obvious to Yamato. He eyes the claw marks on her arm before making his statement. Everything that I said in the post about the bridge scene also applies here. Sakura got herself injured solely because she couldn't bear to watch Naruto suffer because she cared about him so much that it hurt.
 
What was Yamato supposed to say? Canonically, there's nothing he could have said that makes any sense in retrospect. "The truth is, you really view Naruto as an important friend?" That would be stating the obvious considering she just expressed a desire to learn a technique to help him. So Yamato was about to reveal something about Sakura's feelings that she had yet to acknowledge. The fact that Naruto was a close friend of hers was in the open. The fact that she cared about Naruto was also made extremely clear. What else is there other than that she has romantic feelings towards Naruto?
 
Did Naruto love Sakura at this point? Yes.

Did Sakura love Naruto at this point? Yamato thinks she does. At this point, do we have any reason to doubt him? No.
 
So what does this mean for NaruSaku? Sakura is starting to return the feelings that Naruto has for her. This is great. Basically everything in this arc is about Sakura's care for Naruto and desire to help Naruto. The bridge scene had connotations that I talked about in the earlier post. This scene is a continuation. In case anyone didn't understand that Sakura getting herself hurt over her own heartache could be interpreted as romantic.

Rating: 4. On its own, this scene is not as bad as the bridge scene overall. However, Yamato's line, and as a consequence this whole scene means nothing now. Sakura did not love Naruto.
 
Just ignore the fact that that wound on her arm, a scar that she would still have on her body today, is a testament to how much she cared about Naruto and needed him to be alright. It's fine if he's just not a part of her life anymore. What does Sakura even think about when she looks at that arm?

 

I challenge anyone to explain her abandonment of Naruto in a way that makes any sense. It's even worse than Sasuke's abandonment of Karin with no explanation. You don't just forget about someone who was the most important person to you and just move on to live a mediocre life. Especially not in a god damn shonen about BONDS.
 

 
I like how after posing this question, she doesn't even look up at Yamato. She continues to gaze down at Naruto, sweating, with profound emotion in her face.
 
Sakura's heart couldn't deal with this. It was too much for her. But she has no problem pushing Naruto towards Hinata in the Last, sentencing herself to a life with someone who tried to kill her and who will never be around. Yet we don't see any such emotion from Sakura in regard to this. She's totally fine with it, and is totally fine with the terrible consequences of this decision.
 
These character moments of deep inner turmoil are not reconcilable with the ending. Is losing Naruto to death really so much different than losing him because of your own indifference and nonsensical obsession? Not really. She still lost him and is way worse off for it.

 

Agreed Yamato telling Sakura she cares for Naruto as a friend would be too stupid. Because everyone knows that by then. It would be" no kitten captain obvious". So what could it really be? Obviously it would be" you love him" but idiot Kishi decided to wake Naruto up before Yamato could finish the sentence. Guess we'll never know now after the disaster the became the manga with the ending. 

[DrK]

 

Agreed Yamato telling Sakura she cares for Naruto as a friend would be too stupid. Because everyone knows that by then. It would be" no kitten captain obvious". So what could it really be? Obviously it would be" you love him" but idiot Kishi decided to wake Naruto up before Yamato could finish the sentence. Guess we'll never know now after the disaster the became the manga with the ending. 

it's a little weird that Naruto chose to interject, too, by saying Sakura's name. Yamato was still talking and he would have heard Yamato speaking before acknowledging Sakura visually. It would have made a bit more sense if they were interrupted by Naruto unconsciously groaning in pain and then at that point you can have Naruto wake up.

Edited by DrK, 16 December 2017 - 12:38 PM.

[FireFox]

 

Agreed Yamato telling Sakura she cares for Naruto as a friend would be too stupid. Because everyone knows that by then. It would be" no kitten captain obvious". So what could it really be? Obviously it would be" you love him" but idiot Kishi decided to wake Naruto up before Yamato could finish the sentence. Guess we'll never know now after the disaster the became the manga with the ending. 

it's a little weird that Naruto chose to interject, too, by saying Sakura's name. Yamato was still talking and he would have heard Yamato speaking before acknowledging Sakura visually. It would have made a bit more sense if they were interrupted by Naruto unconsciously groaning in pain and then at that point you can have Naruto wake up.

 

Given the narrative and the context of that scene it leaves no room for any other interpretation of Yamato's words except "You really love him/Naruto" its downright ridiculous to consider it as anything else like @Gravenimage stated above the fact that she cares deeply for him and he's her precious friend are facts already well known to the reader but the nature of her strong feelings for him which are implied that are romantic isn't. Also cutting the scene like that is a technique writers often use to keep up the suspense going but also gives you a hint to the direction of where this is going, basically the time is not right yet.  

 

Now compare this Sakura to the Sakura in the Kage Summit and you'll notice just how much the writing has changed bc this Sakura was so selfless, caring, strong, resolved and was willing to do whatever it takes just so Naruto would be safe and sound even putting Sasuke aside for the sake of Naruto saying she'll bring him back for HIM not for HER  mind you . IMO Sakura has never been shown as more of a Heroine in the true sense of the word than in this scene right here, this was her defining moment that cemented her role as the true Heroine of this series and what her character was supposed to be it was also the moment when the fans started to change opinion of her this is what makes this scene so great and memorable.

 

You don't switch the Heroine of your story just like that and you absolutely can't call this kind of development and build up a "Red Herring" in anyway possible literary it makes no sens whatsoever,  Kishimoto is so stupid that he doesn't know what red herring is even if it hits him straight in the face, it was all just a pitiful excuse to say see I retconned all of that kitten *sigh* ,   

[DrK]

Now compare this Sakura to the Sakura in the Kage Summit and you'll notice just how much the writing has changed bc this Sakura was so selfless, caring, strong, resolved and was willing to do whatever it takes just so Naruto would be safe and sound even putting Sasuke aside for the sake of Naruto saying she'll bring him back for HIM not for HER  mind you . IMO Sakura has never been shown as more of a Heroine in the true sense of the word than in this scene right here, this was her defining moment that cemented her role as the true Heroine of this series and what her character was supposed to be it was also the moment when the fans started to change opinion of her this is what makes this scene so great and memorable.

Yeah. First you have the bridge scene where Sakura does something that seems senseless but after you think about it you love that Sakura did that. Then in this scene she is still all about helping Naruto even though her arm is still hurting her. It makes her seem amazing. This person would never freeze up over some dumbass flashback of Sasuke looking at her with disinterest. If she was resolved to kill Sasuke for Naruto, then that is what she would do and the only thing that might stop her is the possibility of the death of Sasuke hurting Naruto. Which is not the context that they used nor was that aspect even talked about. That in itself is awful even if she does end up with Naruto. But she didn't so it's basically unforgivable and Kishimoto turned himself into a hack author.

[RulesofNature]

 

Given the narrative and the context of that scene it leaves no room for any other interpretation of Yamato's words except "You really love him/Naruto" its downright ridiculous to consider it as anything else like @Gravenimage stated above the fact that she cares deeply for him and he's her precious friend are facts already well known to the reader but the nature of her strong feelings for him which are implied that are romantic isn't. Also cutting the scene like that is a technique writers often use to keep up the suspense going but also gives you a hint to the direction of where this is going, basically the time is not right yet.  

 

Now compare this Sakura to the Sakura in the Kage Summit and you'll notice just how much the writing has changed bc this Sakura was so selfless, caring, strong, resolved and was willing to do whatever it takes just so Naruto would be safe and sound even putting Sasuke aside for the sake of Naruto saying she'll bring him back for HIM not for HER  mind you . IMO Sakura has never been shown as more of a Heroine in the true sense of the word than in this scene right here, this was her defining moment that cemented her role as the true Heroine of this series and what her character was supposed to be it was also the moment when the fans started to change opinion of her this is what makes this scene so great and memorable.

 

You don't switch the Heroine of your story just like that and you absolutely can't call this kind of development and build up a "Red Herring" in anyway possible literary it makes no sens whatsoever,  Kishimoto is so stupid that he doesn't know what red herring is even if it hits him straight in the face, it was all just a pitiful excuse to say see I retconned all of that kitten *sigh* ,   

 

There's this old trope, where people are willing to let the ones they love be with someone else. They love them so much they want them to be happy even if it's with someone else. This is the principle behind Naruto's POAL, he loves Sakura and is willing to bring Sasuke back to make her happy. And here we have Sakura prioritizing Naruto's wellbeing over Sasuke's. It's really a sweet thing between them.

 

But instead we throw that out for a girl who gets upset Naruto's wearing a scarf she didn't make him.

[DrK]

But instead we throw that out for a girl who gets upset Naruto's wearing a scarf she didn't make him.

Well Hinata smiled when Sakura hugged him so she was supposed to be like that as well. Honestly that kind of possessiveness doesn't even work for a character like that. It makes more sense for a Sakura type. God this series is so backwards now.

Edited by DrK, 16 December 2017 - 06:38 PM.

[FireFox]

Yeah. First you have the bridge scene where Sakura does something that seems senseless but after you think about it you love that Sakura did that. Then in this scene she is still all about helping Naruto even though her arm is still hurting her. It makes her seem amazing. This person would never freeze up over some dumbass flashback of Sasuke looking at her with disinterest. If she was resolved to kill Sasuke for Naruto, then that is what she would do and the only thing that might stop her is the possibility of the death of Sasuke hurting Naruto. Which is not the context that they used nor was that aspect even talked about. That in itself is awful even if she does end up with Naruto. But she didn't so it's basically unforgivable and Kishimoto turned himself into a hack author.

Basically this!!!. Its two different persons and her positive development was rendered useless.

  

You can also compare Sakura's resolution at the Orochimaru's hideout when she charged at Sasuke with no hesitation (Sasuke's murder attempt No.1 btw) and they failed to save Sasuke, again she held a firm ground and decided to be strong for both her and Naruto but mostly for Naruto's sake. Its for reasons like this that the Kage Summit arc remains the most controversial one and till this day we still can't make any sense of it and just what in the hell was Kishimoto trying to accomplish. Ultimately Kishimoto's decision to still hold Sakura to her shallow lingering feelings for Sasuke that she had no reason for or was given any sort of explanation besides fangirling is what destroyed her character and she had so much potential but the author failed to see that and decided to follow the opinions of the Hinata stans around him and this is where everything went to HELL!!!.      

 

There's this old trope, where people are willing to let the ones they love be with someone else. They love them so much they want them to be happy even if it's with someone else. This is the principle behind Naruto's POAL, he loves Sakura and is willing to bring Sasuke back to make her happy. And here we have Sakura prioritizing Naruto's wellbeing over Sasuke's. It's really a sweet thing between them.

 

But instead we throw that out for a girl who gets upset Naruto's wearing a scarf she didn't make him.

Exactly they had a beautiful dynamic and it was gradually build up it wasn't something done out of the blue like with certain couples, that's what made them look so great . The only "downside" you can say was that they weren't open about their feelings and that ultimately hurt them but its nothing damaging to the couple itself,  this is where Sakura's confession should have been played different, to realize her feelings and be open to Naruto same with Naruto as it was freaking foreshadowed, for NS it only needed that finishing touch.     

 

Yeah what a joke it makes me vomit  . Hinata should have ended up with her Scarf-Kun and it would still made more sens then NH that's how twisted all of this is. 

Edited by FireFox, 16 December 2017 - 07:23 PM.