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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

why do people non sakura fans always see sakura as some demonized and horrible b*tch...?

 

1. She fake confesses to Naruto. 

The point of the confession is to make Naruto hate her, because she knew he wouldn't believe her/take her(and konoha 11) side on the extermination. At that point Sasuke is with the Akatsuki, Naruto is a Jinchurikii, the whole thing was in Naruto's best interests. She was getting desperate, the two people that matters a lot to her are both at stake.

 

Just going to point out this part which caught up my attention.

The point of her confession was never to make Naruto hater her, the confession was her espontaneous move, of using Naruto's feelings as a way to make him gave up Sasuke.
Naruto made the promise because he loves her, and she's guilty of this in part, remember that she wanted to leave the village with Sasuke and the next day was asking for Naruto to bring back Sasuke.

 

Sakura felt guilty of Naruto's misery that he went though on his quest to bring back Sasuke, so she decided to return his feelings even having feelings for Sasuke, which is wrong but she was desperated and i always expect her doing things like this when under emotional pressure.

 

The confession failed obviously, then she decided to kill Sasuke to lift his burden and make Naruto hate her.

 

 

Obviously what she did on the summit was wrong by lying to Naruto, but she was desperated and Naruto understood this.

But the purpose of the summit was for Sakura receive a wake up call on the love triangle, by perceiving that Naruto loves her and knowing who Sasuke really is(the confrontation she wanted to had).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 October 2013 - 03:35 PM.

[Luna]

Oh God I don't even know why try.. Just don't debate with these extreme haters.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

That argument is completely nonsensical and heavily biased. Sakura is nonexistent in the storyline and only serves as a Band-Aid for characters who matter? Please. Also, Sakura took out MULIPLE juubi clones in one shot, while all the rookies only took out one or two each, how is that face-palm worthy? Honestly, there's just no reasoning with people like that. They see what they want to see.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Hey it's me again!

I been arguing for a great deal of time that Sakura is not useless and it's in fact a relevant character. And important to the plot and story But no matter what I tried. No matter how many facts I brought up. From which angle I tried to go on. I always get more or less "Sakura in nothing of those things". So I really don't know what to say anymore to them.

If someone here can write a good/long counter argument that will shut them up at last (or at least for some time). I would be very grateful. :)

 

I would like to admit I was wrong about the juubi sizes. Since it's been some time since I read the chapter/s. And I thought they were all big at the beginning as they were later on. That was my fault. ;)

 

This post is from MF!

 

And it's the answer to my post I made.

My Post

She was the first one who figured out the secret about Obitos jutsy. Many many chapters before it was reveled she was right.
She healed a lot of people during the start of war. And saved their lives.
She discovered Zetsus secret and saved many lives.
She gave a speech towards whole alliance.
She healed Naruto.
She got her seal.
She destroyed countless juubi clones, that were the same sizes as Bunta.
She summoned Katsuya.
She healed many people. And saved their lives again.
She helped Tsunade summon 1/10 of Katsuya so people who are fighting the tree want die by instant death (those people include more then simple fodder. There are also kages there)

And this is just on top of my head.

So maybe comparing her to Naruto she is useless. But useless overall? I am afraid not.

So people even after seeing all of this (and more) still call her useless are called haters because they ignore large amounts of manga.

 

 

This one is from AS.

 

 

If someone can write separate counter arguments for this posts I would be extremely grateful. :)

 

Thanks in advance!

For the AS comment:

 

Staying in the background is not what Kishimoto has in mind for her.  It's a part of her development.  Remember, back in the Forest of Death, she hated only being able to look at Sasuke and Naruto's backs and only being in the background.  She wanted to be more like them that fights with them instead of behind them.  This was mentioned again in chapter 632, when this same flashback is played again, and she gains the seal on her forehead.  She thinks she can fight with them now.  However, after that she's still in background healing fodder is what you're going to say next.  Well, she has a job outside of fighting, and is just as important.  She can't leave people who need healing just to fight.  That isn't her role.  However, one thing we can take from the manga is what the characters say can't be taken as fact.  It was the same with Obito's and Itachi's explanation of Madara, and how both had their interpretations.  Whether it was intentional or not to give this false information, still the fact remains what they said wasn't completely true.  I agree, Sakura declaring she can fight with them, but has to back to healing doesn't hold water.  That only means her development isn't finished.  People call her Tsunade 2.0, because she has Tsunade's most prominent abilities. She is on par with her Sannin teacher, but hasn't surpassed her, like Naruto and Sasuke have done with Jiraiya and Orochimaru respectively.  Untill, there is evidence of such, her development will still continue.  The manga itself sets this up.  If you say it can't happen, that's merely your own assumption.

 

For manga fox, I honestly don't know what to say to the "fodders" part.  He has one screwed opinion.  Points you can make:

-Sakura was one to make a speech like the others you mentiioned, but it doesn't change its validity.  Also, Hinata didn't start that speech.  Hinata's speech was speaking at Naruto, about not giving up, and how everyone was willing to die for him.  Sakura's was making NARUTO's intentions clear to the Alliance that he treats everyone as a comrade, and ironically not people he doesn't want sacrificing their lives for him.  Also, that she would rather die fighting than giving up and waiting for the end.

-Summoning: The fact she could summon now proves that she atleast attempted it before.  It wasn't a one try thing, and it was succesful.  She had practice just like Naruto and Sasuke,except it was off panel.  Sasuke's was the same way.  We didn't see him train for this.  And again, just because we didn't see her practice it, does it make it even less valid?

-The seal:  She already has the strength and once gaining it, she immediately did the remote healing via Katsuya.  I wouldn't call that the actions of a noob.  Don't throw around words like that without a care.  It's immature.

-Zetsu:  So your saying she should have kept quiet and allow them to do as they please.  Sakura made the higher ups aware of the Zetsu, and they are the ones who told everyone via telepathy.  They made them more wary of each other, and that was valid since you don't keep quiet about such a thing.  Naruto in order to get to every battlefield needed Shukaku's help to guide him there, so if Sakura didn't tell the higher ups, Naruto would have to be scrambling around to find everyone with no direction taking more time than he did needed.

-The alliance arriving:  You're talking as if all they did is stand there.  DId you forget the mudpit to limt the Juubi's movements, and the Kurama chakra bird?  Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Gai couldn't have continued as they have as Kakashi and Gai kept getting exhausted, and the problm literally got much bigger as the fight when on.  If the alliance were, they wouldn't be keeping the Shinju occupied while Naruto and Sasuke deal with Obito, and Hashirama deals with Madara.  While I give you they aren't prominent, they have done important things that helped make things easier for Naruto.  Again, because the alliance got involved, it makes Sakura healing Naruto even less valid?

 

Hope this helps, with your discussion.  I'll probably check things out in the actual threads later.  I have an account on both as well.  My user name on AS is the same as Mangafox.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 20 October 2013 - 05:35 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

Thanks everyone! :)

 

DattebayoXShannaro Thanks for coming up with those counter arguments. :)

 

If you plan to look up the actually threads/posts. here the links the the posts I posted here. So you want need to search trough threads/posts to find them.

 

MF & AS

 

Maybe you'll need/want to edit/change/add something in your posts above after seeing the whole picture. :)

[DattebayoXShannaro]

^ Yeah, I actually found them before I read this post.  Unfortunately, it wasn't that hard.

[milan kyuubi]

What to say to something like this?!

 

But apart from that, Sakura is Tsunade's copy. That alone isn't enough to make Sakura superior, because she hasn't managed anything beyond the technicques and knowledge that Tsunade passed on her.

 

Basically this.

Until she comes up with something original, she'll at best catch up to Tsunade, but never surpass her. I've said this many times, she's the worst character in this manga in terms of originality, because she has none whatsoever.

 

Tsunade is Half Uzumaki and Half Senju, a direct descendant of Hashirama Senju and she was trained by Hiruzen Sarutobi.

No matter how good Sakura becomes she can never surpass Tsunade.

Edited by milan kyuubi, 20 August 2014 - 04:30 PM.