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They could have done a spin off in a completely different village with mild name dropping and cameos. It probably would have been more interesting and less inconsistent than what we have. "Why doesn't Burrito have Byakugan at birth? idk Lulz." 

Instead, in order to uplift the offspring characters the old ones are constantly getting kitten on, their personalities warped and basically desecrating everything people loved about them to begin with. I'm not kidding when i say i would rather them be all dead :zaru: 

This is 100% the route they should have gone. The original was always about Sasuke Naruto, we were always in Konoha, a sequel would have been a perfect opportunity to explore other parts of the world, like the old Star Wars Expanded Universe. 

 

 

Inuyasha/Kagome Inuyasha

Ranma/Akane Ranma1/2 

 

There are many shounen manga where the lead male ends up with the lead female who is a tsundere but I guess Kishi made an exception even if he did the 15 year old development (which it was a red herring ).

I think there was an anti-tsundere trend going on in Japan at the time, though it was probably a vocal minority. Watsuki mentioned this when making the rebooted Kenshin (the one where Jin-e had swords THROUGH his hands). Maybe the trope does need to be redone and go into hibernation for a while, but if a story was already being done with those tropes, it had to follow through with it. 
Like maybe one day people will be turned off by gore in some situations. Maybe future stories should address that change in taste, but ongoing stories already using that need to keep using that, otherwise they will just betray what they once were.

 

Endlessly creepy. And the last one, its the same fake smile they kittened at Sai for. 

It was at that moment Sakura realized she made a terrible mistake.

 

I’m also perplexed by these NH fans getting triggered over fanfics, years after the ending. They’re FANFICS; if they were a threat to the actual canon, one of them would be animated by now. Jeez, if our ship became canon, I just wouldn’t have anything to do with them.

 

Besides, 90% of fan fiction has pairings different from their original canons.

 

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"Are people seriously treating the MangaPlus numbers as representative of Boruto's success? 

Seriously?"

Went on that twitter to see if this commented on Samurai 8 or Boruto again. Also someone made a comment I have been making about online views (youtube/managaplus) for Naruto/Boruto:

"The views would be fantastic if they actually also help in sales..."

 

I made a similar comment about that once before. I think people are INTERESTED in Boruto, but so far it hasn’t done much to justify being bought/supported. It’s just regurgitating everything from the original and doing nothing with it.

 

speaking of tmnt, anyone seen batman vs the teenage mutant ninja turtles yet? I thought it was pretty good. also I prefer the 2003 turtles and the turtles forever crossover over the 2012 ones. I mean I get that its cool they use more actual ninjutsu and all, but the designs, the comedic tone, and stuff like april being a high schooler turned me off. they changed too much lore and character stuff for my tastes. the big thing though was the whole donatello x april stuff. gives me too much of a sonic x elise vibe lol. I like 2003 because it was a more serious version of the turtles with the best versions of shredder and etc and was so expansive.   and yeah gajiin gooma makes cool videos, and yeah naruto was always so weird and I didn't like how they're supposed to be ninjas but aren't real ninjas, and was annoyed when pokemon copied naruto basically for its ninja village in kalos. I'll take ninja gaiden's ryu hayabusa over naruto any day of the week lol

You need to see the 2012 series again, because even with the silly stuff, it is by far the darkest turtles yet. The mutations are horrifying, the rivalry between Splinter and Shredder has never been more intense, and IMPORTANT characters have died in this one, JUST shying away from gore while still making you say ‘This is a kids’ show?’

 

In all fairness to Naruto, most modern ninja in media are WAY off. But I think Naruto was a missed opportunity to find a halfway point between fantasy and reality in regards to ninja.

He had the passion to DRAW the characters yeah, but it doesn't seem like he was really invested in the story, if all he was doing is asking how to make it popular. 

 

 

 

Yeah, that's the thing that I never got either; how someone can only just be in it if it's popular rather than telling a good story.

The thing about art is that you have to pursue it for the love of it, not for the success it will bring...because the odds of that happening are slim to none in the first place. So few works ever get a chance to shine in the mainstream, and even fewer actually stay there.

 

I guess Kishimoto saw the success of DragonBall and wanted to copy it, without realizing its popularity was an accident. Most mangaka are broke as kitten. I think he had a panic attack when he realized what he had gotten himself into and prodded Yahigi to help him make it popular.

 

I do still think most of the softening of the story is more Kishimoto growing older, having kids, and having a minor panic of I don't want my kids to see something violent. What the change of editors did was make the story have more plot holes and become more inconsistent. Partily due to them trying to screw around with the story, and partly due to them not being able to both help and rein in Kishimoto.

 

Kishimoto does his best work when he has a good editor supporting him; enough to produce the third best selling manga ever. Without a good editor...he is. Ok, does too much exposition and has some weird idea but at it core still has a decent story.

 

 

I honestly feel like if its "Because he had kids." He would have written a story in which bad guys have to face justice. In which there are people who are just BAD and there is no explaining it. Because that teaches a real-life reality. It becomes a cautionary tale rather than "Don't worry every bad thing you do doesn't mean a thing because a golden child will be sympathetic to you UwU" 
 

 

I can’t speak from personal experience about kids, but Kishimoto could have simply not let them read it. Spielberg forbade his kids from watching Jurassic Park when it first came out, and he still went on to make Saving Private Ryan. Roberto Rodriguez made things like Spy Kids, and he still made Machete. Besides, even the grittier stuff he wrote was targeted towards kids. 
As for the messages he was trying to pass, yeah, not a good idea. I think it’s wonderful to pass a moral message to your readers, but it has to be in a way that is practical for the real world. 
In Orochimaru’s case, he could have had characters forgive him as a person, but imprison him for his deeds nonetheless. Kishimoto could have used the past atrocities to highlight how many of them did what they thought was right, but show their actions were still wrong and now they had to live with reasonable consequences. I could go on, but there were so many other ways to competently preach about peace and forgiveness. Naruto wasn’t one of them.

 

I don't know if he did everything he could to finish, because he was still churning out new characters all the time when he could have just focused on a few and finished if he had the ideas to do so--he was just bored of the MC and didn't really know what to do anymore and then he really screwed up by Overpowering Madara to the point that he had to make Kaguya just to get rid of him. It just becomes so damn bizarre at the end. 

I think Kishimoto stopped with the tactics because tactics are hard to figure tbh. It's easy to just give random power-ups and OP abilities rather than focus on minute details. "Why bother with trickery when I can just railgun through the door!"

 

 From what I remember, he wanted to develop Kakashi and Sakura more, but I guess his editors said no to those. I feel like the war arc was a big catch up/cram session in an attempt to flesh out the world he created; something he should have done much, MUCH earlier. 
 

You pretty much nailed it on why tactics were thrown out the window. Even so, Kishimoto could have asked his assistants to research ninja tactics and war strategy. The problem with this, though, is that Naruto since its inception wasn’t really about ninjas. 
This is why I love the 2012 TMNT; they use ACTUAL ninjutsu and strategies in their battles. Just watch Gaijin Goomba’s video on the Ninja Turtles.

 

Kishimoto could have also used more of the works that inspired Naruto, particularly Jiraiya. Again, watch GG’s video with Johnny Young Bosch. 
 

You know what, just watch all of Gaijin’s videos, because they are informative and just awesome.

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Regarding a comeback, it would take time, but if he would just take a break and wait for the controversy to die down, try to avoid the things that may have landed him in trouble to begin with, he could have at least get a small role or two and build himself back up. Many celebrities have gotten in all sorts of trouble before, and usually get back in the game eventually (though to be fair, most said celebrities were much more well known and richer than Vic)

And ooh boy, this fallout. Seriously, the Vic Stan’s are such sore losers, and need to think about this. Little Nicky told you this was a slam dunk, yet every other lawyer following this case was telling you guys this wasn’t going to go the way he said it was. Now why do you think that is? Did this Nick guy know something these other lawyers didn’t? No, it was because he was lying to you so he could get your views. And then there were the Death Threats on the Judge’s Facebook page. Really, how did you think that would turn out?

This whole thing should have been a red flag from the get-go. I read Reiketta’s little rant before this case started, and it’s not a piece I’d expect from an educated lawyer. If you were to ask me who wrote it before I knew who, I would have guessed it was from a 14 year old edgelord who found his dad’s liquor cabinet. He’s also not taking criticism well, calling others “mutants” and telling them “Go back to Greenland! (For those who don’t get this, Greenland has a high rate of suicides). Plus, he’s insisting that there’s a path forward from here. Considering this was dismissed with prejudice, the only way that’s going to be possible is if they can prove to a higher court that the judge did something wrong, which is going to be another uphill battle. Seriously, this guy is proposing legal challenges that are by most accounts almost impossible to win. This is a grift that he’s desperate to have keep going, because he didn’t anticipate this would be over so quickly, and all he had outside of this is traffic court. A valid profession, but I guess no one gets famous doing that.

It’s time for you all to let this go. If you never want to watch a Funi dub after this, that’s your business. Fact is, Vic didn’t have a case. All they had was Rial and Marchie liking a post. That’s not evidence of a conspiracy; if anything it’s evidence AGAINST Vic. Fact is, he’s been having these accusations against him for years. He had every opportunity to stop and think “You know, I’m upsetting some people. Maybe I should watch myself.” Even if he meant no harm, he was too full of himself for that self awareness and kept going, and now this is the result.

I don’t watch Karen Rider, but that episode certainly sounds interesting. It feels like it’s a (Well-Deserved) attack on the manga industry as a whole, but Kishimoto is definitely the worst example of it. At least most other mangaka had an inkling of an idea about what they wanted their stories to be about. Look at the pilots for Rosario Vampire, Rurouni Kenshin, Death Note, Food Wars, Bleach, etc. While many details have changed in the actual stories, you can see the themes and many characters where the same.

Naruto, not so much.

I do understand that the industry is extremely stressful, and it’s easy to see mangaka lose passion for their stories. The problem is that Kishimoto never had that passion to begin with; he just went along with their suggestions for the sake of money, and found a point to drop out.

There’s also the issue of how to determine popularity: The most vocal does not mean the majority. I bet many fans don’t vote in polls and what not, if only because they just want to enjoy the stories as is. Plus, if you hear people complain about your story but it seems to be doing well regardless, I’d recommend you follow the money rather than the fan-mail.