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[somilmish]

honestly, Shinschiku looks like a gary stu.(not the art! the character)

Edited by somilmish, 18 February 2015 - 11:33 AM.

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honestly, Shinschiku looks like a gary stu.(not the art! the character)

I see where you're coming from. 

 

I think the issue with Shinachiku more specifically is that he's super powerful and super perfect. If his father is the hokage and his mother is the strongest kunoichi then where does that leave Shinachiku? More specifically, I think that in order for us to make him seem not so gary stu he needs to have some type of conflict. External and internal (maybe he'll develop a inferiority complex or something)

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I see where you're coming from. 
 
I think the issue with Shinachiku more specifically is that he's super powerful and super perfect. If his father is the hokage and his mother is the strongest kunoichi then where does that leave Shinachiku? More specifically, I think that in order for us to make him seem not so gary stu he needs to have some type of conflict. External and internal (maybe he'll develop a inferiority complex or something)

I think he has anger issues lime his mother. And he's gullible. Is he dtill a Gary Stu?

[pumyte]

honestly, Shinschiku looks like a gary stu.(not the art! the character)

This what I'm trying to avoid. Sure he may have power and wonderful parents. But like every child he has to start from zero and learn. I'm making my version as a lazy, video gaming, not caring about his grades or improving his skills much brat (until certain rival apearence) also he is very sensitive to insults which he replies to them by loosing his temper and starting a fight.And he's a bit gullible too.

I think he has anger issues lime his mother. And he's gullible. Is he dtill a Gary Stu?

My thoughts exactly XD

Edited by pumyte, 18 February 2015 - 06:48 PM.

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I think he has anger issues lime his mother. And he's gullible. Is he dtill a Gary Stu?

I'd say he has anger issues and he has a hard time comparing himself to his parents because they've achieved so much and he's had everything handed to him on a silver platter. 

 

This what I'm trying to avoid. Sure he may have power and wonderful parents. But like every child he has to start from zero and learn. I'm making my version as a lazy, video gaming, not caring about his grades or improving his skills much brat (until certain rival apearence) also he is very sensitive to insults which he replies to them by loosing his temper and starting a fight.And he's a bit gullible too.

My thoughts exactly XD

I really like this. Does anybody read Boku No Hero Academia in here? For some reason I imagine Shinachiku acting like Kachhan sometimes (without all the swearing) and automatically thinking he's just as awesome as his parents because he comes from a chain of strong ninjas. This causes him to do nothing in return and become lazy because he thinks that everything will just come to him eventually.  

 

Sometime later on of his friends will run into trouble and that's how Shinachiku whips his game up and gets his life together. But a younger Shinachiku probably thinks that he's better than everybody else. So basically he's lovable but spoiled. 

[pumyte]

I'd say he has anger issues and he has a hard time comparing himself to his parents because they've achieved so much and he's had everything handed to him on a silver platter. 
 
I really like this. Does anybody read Boku No Hero Academia in here? For some reason I imagine Shinachiku acting like Kachhan sometimes (without all the swearing) and automatically thinking he's just as awesome as his parents because he comes from a chain of strong ninjas. This causes him to do nothing in return and become lazy because he thinks that everything will just come to him eventually.  
 
Sometime later on of his friends will run into trouble and that's how Shinachiku whips his game up and gets his life together. But a younger Shinachiku probably thinks that he's better than everybody else. So basically he's lovable but spoiled. 

Omg you just gave awesome ideas 'w'
A small Shinachi thinks that "because my parents are cool everyone wants to be my friend that means I'm cool" but as he grows he learns by experience and some disapointments that it may be not as it apeared to be like.

[Pix]

Omg you just gave awesome ideas 'w'
A small Shinachi thinks that "because my parents are cool everyone wants to be my friend that means I'm cool" but as he grows he learns by experience and some disapointments that it may be not as it apeared to be like.

Yes yes yes! And like, Naruto tried to teach him that things won't come to him so easily at a young age but Shinachiku just doesn't get it. He's one of those learners who have to experience it for themselves to understand. And a lot of people secretly don't like him because of his arrogant attitude and his short temper, but eventually, once Shinachiku proves himself, everyone will love him and cherish him as a valuable ninja.   

 

Oh I just found my picture of Shinachiku that I deleted off my blog!  

 

 

 

Ooooh brings back memories....

[Namikaze Clan]

If we are thinking about weaknesses to give Shinachiku, what if he had an illness? Nothing major, maybe something like Asthma that hinders his fightning ability. Something that would only allow him to fight for a short time.

[Liu bie]

So like...what would you guys do if Kishimoto gave Naruhina a third child in Part 3 and named him Shinachiku....

I think is time for me  to say goodbye to NS fandom.

[ThroughWithLove]

I see where you're coming from. 

 

I think the issue with Shinachiku more specifically is that he's super powerful and super perfect. If his father is the hokage and his mother is the strongest kunoichi then where does that leave Shinachiku? More specifically, I think that in order for us to make him seem not so gary stu he needs to have some type of conflict. External and internal (maybe he'll develop a inferiority complex or something)

 

I've thought about it extensively. If I were writing, Shinachiku's personality would be arrogance and pridefulness. With his mother and father's skills, he'd be a natural at everything with limitless potential. However, he would also be considerably cocky (which would often lead to his downfall). A lot of his character development would be centered around gaining humility and trusting in strength besides his own. The first chapter would showcase him passing the chuunin exam or being promoted to a jonin (at the age of 12 or 15). He'd quickly let this get to his head however after picking a fight with and suffering a humiliating defeat against Sasuke's daughter.

 

Also, I'd write the story from the vantage point of him being a squad leader. We've already seen a story from the perspective from a student, thus this would be a great way to mix things up. I also see a lot of comedic potential with his three genin being close to him in age.

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I've thought about it extensively. If I were writing, Shinachiku's personality would be arrogance and pridefulness. With his mother and father's skills, he'd be a natural at everything with limitless potential. However, he would also be considerably cocky (which would often lead to his downfall). A lot of his character development would be centered around gaining humility and trusting in strength besides his own. The first chapter would showcase him passing the chuunin exam or being promoted to a jonin (at the age of 12 or 15). He'd quickly let this get to his head however after picking a fight with and suffering a humiliating defeat against Sasuke's daughter.

 

Also, I'd write the story from the vantage point of him being a squad leader. We've already seen a story from the perspective from a student, thus this would be a great way to mix things up. I also see a lot of comedic potential with his three genin being close to him in age.

That would actually be beyond amazing. Shinachiku already a squad leader at a young age but still overly cocky. Better than the unreleased Part 3 already. 

[somilmish]

I loved most of the ideas for the weaknesses y'all have given. I think the inferiority complex may be a huge flaw that can be developed. In my opinion, making Shinachiku 'naturally talented' is a big no-no. This goes against the themes of the manga. This also seems s bit boring to me, as I loved how Naruto and Sakura developed from the weaklings they were in part 1 to the S rank monsters they became in part 2.

The boy may want to develop into a shinobi entirely unlike any other that has come before him (especially his mother and father). To that end, we can give him the chakra chain bloodline (it adds a whole new dimension to the fights and can be used for comic effect, like different shapes coming out when he's practicing). Being an Uzumaki, he'll already have more chakra than most kids his age, so perfect chakra control is unnecessary. (remember, Sakura had small chakra pool to work with.. that's why she had good control. Sasuke had above average stores, and he had bad control). Imperfect control also means more father-son bonding, which will be beautiful.

The shinachiku loves video games is a great idea. As a pampered and loved only child, I can totally see him getting into these things.. I would love to see Sakura scolding him for not studying and Naruto secretly smiling at the scene..mmhmm..
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Edited by somilmish, 19 February 2015 - 03:41 AM.

[Win-chan]

So honestly, I kinda disagree with most of what has been said here. I agree that Shinachiku didn't explicitly have any flaws before but that's because we hadn't delved into them. However, implicit in the personality which he was given (sweet, loving, gentle, fun, personable) there are plenty of flaws given. You can't just assign flaws randomly and then say "Oh well he's now a flawed character. Woo hoo!" NO. It has to make sense within the rest of the character we've already created. And honestly, I don't see Shinachiku as a cocky kid, from the info that we already have on him. This is how I see him.

 

I see Shinachiku as a person who, more than anything, just wants to love people and to be loved by people. The sad thing is, Shinachiku has grown up with this tainted idea that in order for people to love him, he needs to be a particular way, or behave in a certain way. That's why he was such a good child growing up, and why he idolized his parents so much. He thought that if he was good and if he showed that he thought that they were amazing, that he would be able to "win" their love, even though they love him unconditionally. So, first and foremost of "un-Gary Stew-ing" him: recognize that his close relationship with his parents is slightly superficial. They DO get along, but for Shinachiku, so much of it is almost an act to be this perfect child so that he can be worthy of their love. I could just imagine some kind of scene where he fails on a mission, or he messes something big up, and he wouldn't want to face his parents, and we he finally does he would be convinced that they wouldn't love him anymore. It could be this really sweet moment when he would say something like, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I messed up. It's okay, you don't have to love me anymore" or something, then Sakura would hit him and then hug him and Naruto would hug both of them and they would tell Shinachiku that there is nothing he could POSSIBLY do that would make them stop loving him.

 

Now, let's look at how he views his parents love for him: he thinks that because he "hero worships" them and is obedient and good and helpful, his parents love him in return. Well, logically, that would extend to how he sees other people loving him. Remember, his core desire is to love and to be loved. So, if he secures love by being helpful, how does he judge if other people love him back? By behaving the same way he does when he shows his parents he loves them. In other words, he thinks that if anybody truly cares about him, then they're going to want to help him and go out of their way to do things for him. Think of if this way: there are some friends who find out that you're sick and go to the store and by you a bunch of sick things, bring a movie, drop by your house, and start taking care of you. Then there are the friends who call you, ask if you're okay, wish you well, and then the next time they see you, congratulate you on getting better and go out to lunch with you, and you talk about all sorts of personal, important things and plan a hang out session and it's wonderful. Let's be honest. Most of us aren't the first way, because we don't think to be that helpful. Most of us are the second way. The thing with Shinachiku is, that since he would act in the first way, he expects other people who love him to show him love in the same way, and so if someone doesn't live up to that standard, then he thinks that they don't care, even though they might. That right there is a serious possibility for some kind of relationship tension.

 

Now, jumping off of that thought, I dive into another flaw: Shinachiku wants to only think good thoughts about people and to love them, so when he has a friend who doesn't do exactly what he would expect someone who loves him to do, inwardly he would start to have some negative feelings towards said person, but in his conscious mind, since he tries to only be a positive person, he wouldn't acknowledge these thoughts. Therefore, he's self-deceitful about his own feelings and intentions. He makes himself believe that he only thinks good things about people, in essence successfully suppressing all hostility he feels towards people, and about himself, as well. Honestly, he's a very sensitive kid who lets small things get to him. A negative comment here or there can get inside his head and fester for a while, really depleting his self-confidence, even though on the outside he pretends like he's happy-go-lucky, high self-esteem Shinachiku. In all actuality, he doesn't have a very honest view of himself, especially as he gets older. How he likes to see himself is a person of completely good intentions, who genuinely cares about people, but sometimes, on especially bad days, it kinda feels like he's only doing things for people with the intended result of being loved. So, sometimes he does things for people not even because he cares about them but because he wants to act in a way which then makes them love him. 

 

In short? 

 

He's an empathetic, compassionate, outgoing, caring kid who is giving, thoughtful and encouraging. However, he can also engage in people-pleasing to get closer to others, he can be judgy of people who aren't loving and giving in the same way he is, he's a little harsh on himself, he doesn't have that high of self-esteem, even though on the outside he seems completely unaffected by all this. He's no emotionally honest with himself, even though he does feel things quite forcefully. And that's the Shinachiku I see, the Shinachiku that is in the drawings and the Shinachiku who we had short descriptions of. 

[Win-chan]

As far as his abilities go, well, it would only make sense for him to be extremely gifted, and since that talent would be nurtured and encouraged by his parents, he'd be super good. But, I could possibly see him comparing himself to his parents all the time and holding himself to a different standard and having a hard time being satisfied, because he just wants to please his parents and the people who look at him with expectation. 

[pumyte]

This is why we have so many versions of Shinachiku XD but that's a good thing :)

[Win-chan]

Haha, true!

[tricksie]

I love this thread!!! And Win-chan, great thoughts! I like the idea of Shinachiku being extremely gifted as well as having an Achille's heel of some sort. Very much like Naruto in that respect!

 

I feel like Shinachiku would be a mix of his parents and himself. He would succeed where Naruto and Sakura had issues, but he would have issues of his own. He would be smart and have friends and be confident, be popular but not arrogant. But he would have problems finding his place in the world because his parents were heroes. Even though they'd tell him he didn't need to carry their burdens or surpass the previous generation (as they'd had to do), Shina'd still feel like he needed to live up to their reputation or find some dangerous adventures of his own. Naruto and Sakura would see their peace as a hard won victory, but Shinachiku and his generation might grow to see it as boring. Or with a sense they couldn't live up to it.

 

A Part 3 storyline with NS parents and Shinachiku's generation (with them at age 16-17) might revolve around an approaching new threat, with the older parents' generation wanting to act diplomatically and spare bloodshed, while Shina and his generation wanting to see fighting for the first time and go use all the skills they've been training in for years. The resolution would be when Naruto and Sakura and the rest realize that there will always be evil in the world that they must be vigilant against, and that the next generation is full able to handle it, in the their own ways, just as they had. And Shinachiku would realize that heroes aren't just named, they're made, forged by loss and bloodshed. And that the shinobi skills they'd learned weren't for games, they were for protecting the ones you loved, through any means necessary. He would find out that fighting wasn't what it was about, it was protecting the next generation. And Shina and his group would understand and be ready to step up and defend their village.

[Namikaze Clan]

Since we are talking about the characteristics of Shinachiku, what about his hypothetical sister? Konohona or whatever? What type of person would she be and what would be her fighting style.

[Pix]

Since we are talking about the characteristics of Shinachiku, what about his hypothetical sister? Konohona or whatever? What type of person would she be and what would be her fighting style.

Hanabi? Well I always saw her as the devil child who wanted to be the Kyuubi when she grows up. She would have Sakura's personality but Naruto's hyper-ness. Basically she would be the problem child. 

 

But as for Shinachiku, I think the overly cocky one still wins my heart. Personally I just find that it'll give him a greater chance of character development if the story were to...exist. I also find it to be more realistic? And then, once he starts developing, he has the Shinachiku personality that everyone associates with him today. 

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Who would Shinachiku fall in love with? Michi?