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"Step 2. Win Sakura over."

I think Naruto kinda did: 

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 Sakura having a flashback at her window: 

Then Sasuke looking jealous:

 

So Kakashi imply that it's not ok for Naruto to kill his favorite student but it's ok for his favorite student to kill Naruto?

This is when i'm starting to really hate Kakashi , the first time i'm starting to dislike him is when he throw Naruto to Ebisu so that he can focus teaching Sasuke.

It shows how much of a hypocrite Kakashi.

And it's worse for Kakashi as the Chidori is classed, for SOME reason, as an assassination technique, as in its main purpose is to kill.

The Rasengan, however, is an incomplete technique that can at least be used in a way that DOESN'T kill, but merely disable as Jiraiya demonstrated against those ordinary mooks when he first showed it to Naruto when searching for Tsunade.

Why did Kishimoto write Kakashi like that? Like, why isn't Kakashi saying "Sasuke could have killed Naruto" but is saying "Naruto could have killed Sasuke"? 

Was this intentional writing on Kishimoto's part, and if so, why? 

Is the intent to show Naruto "winning Kakashi's acknowledgement from ground zero?"  But HOW then? If getting stronger won't win Kakashi's acknowledgement (as we see here, Kakashi gets mad because Naruto got stronger.)

What was the point of writing Kakashi as a character who wants Naruto to be unable to defend himself against Sasuke's Chidori?   

It's like Kishimoto has a habit of making ALL his villains "good guys all along!"

Who thinks Itachi started off as a bad guy and was MEANT to be an EVIL villain, until Kishimoto CHANGED HIS MIND and made Itachi a good guy later on?

That seems to be another common theme - great ninja, terrible teachers...

- Itachi: In hindsight, his words weren't meant to be taken literally like Sasuke did. The whole "when you have the same eyes as I do" was actually supposed to be for Sasuke to be able to "see" beyond just the Uchiha Clan, to see Konoha as a whole and to work beyond what the Clan itself wants like he did. That was why he had become so much stronger than any other Uchiha Clan member at the time - he didn't limit himself strictly to what the Clan teaches. He tried to learn and master as much as he possibly could, both in and out of the Clan, having an open-mind about things, able to see how dirty things were becoming within the Clan, and so on.

- Kakashi: Made pretty obvious in the series.

- Jiraiya: Supposedly the strongest of the Sannin and yet he barely actually teaches Naruto anything during the time skip. After his attempt to get Naruto to control more of Kurama's chakra ends with him nearly getting killed, it's like he just gave up on trying to train Naruto in anything beyond just basics. This is illustrated by just how weak Naruto was compared to everyone else (sans Hinatatas) when he returns, especially Sasuke when they first encounter each other again. Even if you ignore Naruto still being worn down from going four-tails before, Sasuke still showed that he would have effortlessly owned Naruto as the Sharingan was able to immediately suppress Kurama's chakra thus taking away Naruto's crutch / trump card before the fight even started.

Beyond that, you had Jiraiya initially trying to train Naruto in a way that was completely counterproductive considering just who he was training Naruto to be able to fight and defend himself against - Akatsuki; all Kage level opponents who were chosen specifically based on their abilities and how effective their teams would be against Biju and Jinchuriki since their goal was their capture, and Naruto had two of their strongest gunning for him - Itachi and Kisame - whose abilities were tailored for fighting against him and Kurama; Itachi with his own raw skill and the Sharingan, and Kisame with his own massive reserves (at just up to 30%, according to Neji when he was reading the Shapeshift Clone's chakra, Kisame's reserves were said to be as large as Naruto's), his own skill as a swordsman (something Naruto would most likely not be good at fighting against), and Samehada's own ability at "eating" chakra (which was demonstrated with how easily Kisame beat Bee).,

Even if Jiraiya had succeeded in getting Naruto to (barely) control more of Kurama's chakra, it wouldn't have mattered in the long run because Itachi and Kisame still would have been able to easily defeat him because it's what they were meant to fight against and that was ALL Naruto would have had. Without Kurama's chakra, Naruto was a one-trick pony; barely any true skill of his own and a very limited arsenal, and his ability to think quick on his feet may work against those who underestimate him, but ones like Itachi and Kisame's caliber would most likely NOT fall for such simple tricks (ignoring Kishi giving them moments of stupidity like with Kakuzu) and in the off-chance that they did, they wouldn't be nearly as effective.

Jiraiya was simply far too lax with Naruto and it reflected glaringly throughout all of part two really.

 

I LOVE this, you could make a thread on this.

What do you think Jiraiya should have taught Naruto that would have given Naruto a chance to hold his own against Kisame/Itachi/Akatsuki? 

(And your analysis on the others- especially Itachi- are spot on) 

Also the reason people don't like Sakura is because she does not seem to TRAIN. 

How often do we see Sakura train with Naruto and Sasuke? During that TREE CLIMBING lesson back in the Wave Arc, Sasuke and Naruto trained all night together, while Sakura got it right on first try and went away to do her own thing. 

She's always left out of the Team 7 training dynamic, I'd have rather Sakura NOT got it right on first try and be forced to tree-climb with Sasuke and Naruto all night instead. 

But in this case, Kakashi could have at least put her on Water-walking exercise. Not have her stop there, since she managed to tree-climb on first try, while the other 2 boys catch up to her. 

Kakashi has been unnecessarily condescending to Sakura for Part 1. (And gave 0 training to Sakura after part 1.) 

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Kakashi even told Naruto about Sasuke's whereabouts for the month, but left Sakura in the dark. That led to Sakura being worried to death about Sasuke for a month straight, because they just fought Orochimaru. 

(And it didn't occur to Naruto to tell Sakura about  Sasuke being with Kakashi.  ) 

Naruto knew

 

 

What happened to all that "Teamwork" nindo that Kakashi was preaching at the start of Team 7? Teamwork does not mean keeping each other in the dark about who he's training. What if  your teammate mysteriously vanishes from your ninja squad- right after you three fought Orochimaru, and no one tells you what happens to him until 1 month later? No wonder Sakura was worried sick, she wasn't worried because she was in love with Sasuke or a Sasuke fangirl, she was worried because any reasonable person left in the dark would be WORRIED. 

(And Anti-NS or Anti-Sakura people point this out and say that Sakura is thinking about Sasuke during Naruto's match and that Ino is a better person. Honestly, this scene should not have happened, and wouldn't have if the author made Kakashi tell Sakura that he didn't run away but is training with him. Even Naruto knew and wasn't worried. This is just more panel time excuse for more Sakura obsession with Sasuke, which many people grew sick of.  )

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I really hate how Kishimoto wrote Sakura's anger off to be like "It's alright," like she's a pushover accepting this treatment from Kakashi. 

Ino would have made a better character, Sakura just became a PUSHOVER despite her anger. That's not how "teamwork" should work, she should not have let this slide. 

Honestly Sakura was worried about the mark for 1 month straight, Kakashi should have said something about that and said where he's taking Sasuke.

Otherwise, all the information she had was: Sasuke suddenly VANISHES from the Hospital, with the Curse Mark. He could have been either kidnapped or, if he "ran away" which is Sakura's theory, he could have died in a ditch somewhere. 

Naruto knew about Sasuke's whereabouts, as did Kakashi, but not Sakura. These mini things make Sakura not treated as a part of Team 7, despite her usefulness, she was not entirely useless. 

A good scene: 

But no, here she is made into a pushover. 

(admittedly this panel isn't over Sasuke, it's over her being "jealous" of Naruto being stronger, and wanting to work harder.)

But ALL THESE EXTRAS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF KAKASHI TOLD SAKURA THAT SASUKE DIDNT DIE OR VANISH: 

Look how sad she is, we have so many panels where this "Sasuke..." is shoved in our face, even more prominent in the anime.

If she's been THIS scared/worried about Sasuke, then she should do something about Kakashi keeping team secrets from her. 

Because he comes back and she's like this to Kakashi for hiding it. even though Ino expected Sakura to be mad (since if that were Ino, Ino would be mad):     

Direct support:

(I took out the CPR scene because that one's beside the point-- the point is that Naru finds it easier to talk to Saku than to Hina) 

<---one of my favorites because their expressions are both determined

<--don't see hina doing this 

ouch >< 

Sakura fixing Naru's bag!

Sakura mad 

Honestly I can't see Hinata doing all these things (Walking beside Naruto, acting cute, sure, but I can't see her making these emojis:) 

The amount that Naruto and Sakura travelled together is more than any other Naruto characters 

Road To Ninja The Last Naruto Movie.

Hey I found another one

Looking at these screenshots from the anime, even with SP adding Hinata filler, the story was still blatantly infavor of NaruSaku instead of NaruHina.

Yeah, about this, one of my motivations for compiling these happy moments that legit happened was because modern SS-NH fans keep twisting the facts and saying hurtful things like "NS NEVER happened, Sakura was always beating Naruto up and abusing Naruto, etc etc" and the other set of fans say "SS was canon from the start, Sasuke cared about Sakura and tried to protect her from Gaara, and Naruto kept forcing his crush on Sakura, etc"  

In case we lose our minds and start believing that we were wrong to like NaruSaku, here's some pictures that remind us why we like Sakura's personality(despite her flaws) and Naruto's antics vs Hinata's blind support of Naruto.  Hinata's unconditional, quiet support of Naruto is nice and all, but Sakura's support is fierce, solid, shocking and awesome. 

But this isn't a thing about haters (I only mentioned the haters to remind us NOT to feel doubt that we *might* have been wrong in the past or that it was JUST a red herring, the sheer quantity of happy Naruto moments like these prove otherwise- it's a GOOD ship,) it's about supporting our one true pairing XD 

I just found that Naruto expresses the most excitement/joy/happiness when spending time with Sakura, and vice versa-- Sakura gets "mad" in an "exaggerated" way but is actually endeared (Tsundere).  Hinata is a Dandere. 

I'm sure we can overlook the mess that is PostNaruto canon, and keep shipping them. Whatever NaruHina shyness or SasuSaku shyness that Kishi writes now can't top THIS non-shyness chemistry. 

(Apologies for using the word shy but idk what else to write) 

Anyway, as people still ship KakaSaku in 2018 even though it's not canon, no issues continuing shipping NaruSaku the same way. They went through SO many adventures together.