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[somilmish]

Really? I kinda hate Sakura now. After seeing the way she trashed Naruto's love for her in order to pair him up with Hinata leaving her free to marry Sasuke, I've got a special place in hell reserved for her. I can now see where the NH guys were coming from when they said Sakura was a b****.

[Lady Lys]

Oh well, it might be a matter of perspective. :)

'Cause I more or less feel the same way, but about Naruto. 

 

If we want to be as unbiased as we can then he is as much an kitten as she is, since he happily used her for his rivalry with Sasuke. I still think everything is Hinata's fault. But at this point I care very little about shippings of any kind. 

 

Still, the 4th datebook said that Sakura felt something for Naruto (unless I'm wrong, and if I am, I'm sorry ^^'') but in my post I said 'what se means to me' and that's certainly a lot more than the inglorious ending Kishi reserved for her.

 

I think I pity her more than everyone else, hers has got to be the worst and most nightmarish ending ever. :(

[Mixer]

W-What ??? 

Even Nana mizuki got one for voicing the MAIN HEROINE ? Wait....why am I reacting like this, when it's just...not surprising at all

WTH

poor Sakura..

[milan kyuubi]

W-What ??? 

Even Nana mizuki got one for voicing the MAIN HEROINE ? Wait....why am I reacting like this, when it's just...not surprising at all

WTH

 

Heroine my ass!

 

 

[somilmish]

Naruto's love was obviously true. We saw how it developed from the crush it was in part 1 to the love it was in part 2. :) He did so much, cared so much for her.:( I dont think Sakura ever reciprocated his feelings, did she? And that's quite alright 'cause every girl has a right to reject, the right to love who she wants. I have no problem with Sakura crushing/obsessing over someone who tries to kill her. But I hate hate HATE the way she says his love (that was true, no doubt about that) is born out of rivalry with Sasuke who she loves/obsesses over. That is so far removed from the truth and degrading, that Naruto,imo, just decided "Screw her. I still got Hinakittens. Atleast she won't degrade me if she wants to say no to something.

Agreed with the rest.

[Chatte]

Really? I kinda hate Sakura now. After seeing the way she trashed Naruto's love for her in order to pair him up with Hinata leaving her free to marry Sasuke, I've got a special place in hell reserved for her. I can now see where the NH guys were coming from when they said Sakura was a b****.

Well then u should thank those NH fans for turning her into this! She was turned into this so that Hinata-sama can get Naruto's kitten and become a heroine. If u should hate someonwle it's the very NH fans who turned Sakura into this!

[somilmish]

I actually reread the manga to confirm my pro-Sakura theory (that I believed in before the last) Well. Everytime Sakura had to say no to someone, she always tried to justify herself. Hence, her the last potrayal, while obviously biased to confirm NH, is actually based on one of her character traits.

Edited by somilmish, 14 March 2015 - 11:02 AM.

[Nar123]

Naruto's love was obviously true. We saw how it developed from the crush it was in part 1 to the love it was in part 2. :) He did so much, cared so much for her.:( I dont think Sakura ever reciprocated his feelings, did she? And that's quite alright 'cause every girl has a right to reject, the right to love who she wants. I have no problem with Sakura crushing/obsessing over someone who tries to kill her. But I hate hate HATE the way she says his love (that was true, no doubt about that) is born out of rivalry with Sasuke who she loves/obsesses over. That is so far removed from the truth and degrading, that Naruto,imo, just decided "Screw her. I still got Hinakittens. Atleast she won't degrade me if she wants to say no to something.

Agreed with the rest.

 

 

I won't defend after-699 Sakura

Since its impossible

 

But you also should take into account that Naruto bacame a scumbag, if we go by the canon that the last showed ( and it retcons the original canon) then we have a Naruto that was only playing with Sakura feelings to get back at Sasuke

We get a Naruto so stupid that Sakura explanation for her hate on him was ironically a real thing

We get a Naruto that basically told Sai he loved and wanted to confess to Sakura when in the truth it was only rivalry and he was lying to himself ( a thing he said he hates)

 

The NS conclusion was a bunch of bullsh** on both sides, it completely destroyed Naruto and Sakura characters for anyone without NH/SS shipping glasses glued on their faces

 

So yeah, after-699 Sakura is a shame to all heroines, but this nerw version of scumbag!Naruto should be called worst shonen main character since ever,

Edited by Nar123, 14 March 2015 - 11:07 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Naruto's love was obviously true. We saw how it developed from the crush it was in part 1 to the love it was in part 2. :) He did so much, cared so much for her.:( I dont think Sakura ever reciprocated his feelings, did she? And that's quite alright 'cause every girl has a right to reject, the right to love who she wants. I have no problem with Sakura crushing/obsessing over someone who tries to kill her. But I hate hate HATE the way she says his love (that was true, no doubt about that) is born out of rivalry with Sasuke who she loves/obsesses over. That is so far removed from the truth and degrading, that Naruto,imo, just decided "Screw her. I still got Hinakittens. Atleast she won't degrade me if she wants to say no to something.
Agreed with the rest.

So Naruto using Sakura to win his rivalry against Sakura is not true but Sakura avoiding Naruto to get Sasuke is true? That's called selective reading. If you're going to accept one information then you're going to have to accept the other information that comes with it. Or else you're only using double standards and you'll be called a hypocrite.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 14 March 2015 - 11:05 AM.

[Nar123]

I actually reread the manga to confirm my pro-Sakura theory (that I believed in before the last) Well. Everytime Sakura had to say no to someone, she always tried to justify herself. Hence, her the last potrayal, while obviously biased to confirmed NH, is actually based on one of her character traits.

 

It isn't, the explanation of rivalry came out of thin air. Nothing on the series indicated this 

Futhermore Naruto didn't fought the fact of what she was saying which makes everything worse

 

 

Seriously I understand the reason to hate after-699 Sakura, but before Kage Summit arc ( where she admitted she was useless contradicting all her efforts at the end of part 1) at least and even some moments at the war arc we get a shine of how her character has the capacity of evolving , unfortunately the author completely kittened up

 

 

Seriously if anything you should be hating against the stupid author right now (authors by the way, because it seems like his editors wrote the story more than him) 

[somilmish]

But that's the thing. Naruto doesn't confirm her theory that he loved her out of rivalry with Sasuke. She just speculates, quite incorrectly, to justify herself in her own mind that she's right.

[ramenanmitsu]

But that's the thing. Naruto doesn't confirm her theory that he loved her out of rivalry with Sasuke. She just speculates, quite incorrectly, to justify herself in her own mind that she's right.

You're not doing anything different. You yourself are speculating that Sakura is pushing Naruto to get Sasuke. For all we know she may be doing it for her own reasons or because Naruto loves Hinata. The LAST confirms the latter which means you're just speculating, quite incorrectly, to justify your hate for her in your own mind to say you're right.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 14 March 2015 - 11:09 AM.

[somilmish]

So Naruto using Sakura to win his rivalry against Sakura is not true but Sakura avoiding Naruto to get Sasuke is true? That's called selective reading. If you're going to accept one information then you're going to have to accept the other information that comes with it. Or else you're only using double standards and you'll be called a hypocrite.

Nope. This is not selective reading because this is Sakura that's speculating about Naruto's love. Naruto never confirms it. That's important.

[Princess Iris]

But that's the thing. Naruto doesn't confirm her theory that he loved her out of rivalry with Sasuke. She just speculates, quite incorrectly, to justify herself in her own mind that she's right.

He didn't deny it too

[ramenanmitsu]

Nope. This is not selective reading because this is Sakura that's speculating about Naruto's love. Naruto never confirms it. That's important.

I repeat

You're not doing anything different. You yourself are speculating that Sakura is pushing Naruto to get Sasuke. For all we know she may be doing it for her own reasons or because Naruto loves Hinata. The LAST confirms the latter which means you're just speculating, quite incorrectly, to justify your hate for her in your own mind to say you're right.

[Nar123]

But that's the thing. Naruto doesn't confirm her theory that he loved her out of rivalry with Sasuke. She just speculates, quite incorrectly, to justify herself in her own mind that she's right.

if he didn't confirm why did he remain silent about it?

 

I heard stories he was supposed to confirm in the original script but Junko Takeuchi refused to voice that part

so either way the intent was to show Naruto agreed with what she was talking

 

And even before this moment you could see Naruto acting horribly OOC on the last, I mean Toneri got Hinata,and he stays sulking around because she "rejected" him? I mean, c'mon Naruto you have 19 freaking years old, the fate of the world is in the hands of our team and you get like that? It was forced to make him give up like that considering what was at stake at the moment and makes Naruto look even more like a selfish jackass

Edited by Nar123, 14 March 2015 - 11:11 AM.

[somilmish]

You're not doing anything different. You yourself are speculating that Sakura is pushing Naruto to get Sasuke. For all we know she may be doing it for her own reasons or because Naruto loves Hinata.

It's all there in the Manga. She still obsessed over Sasuke when the war was going on, she still obsessed over him when he backstabbed them, she still obsessed over him when she married him. And yeag, I term the love that still stays strong whe. the other guy is trying to kill/is openly abusive against you obsessive. Actually trashing his feelings like that without any apparent reason is even worse.

[Nar123]

I know its difficult to believe they tarnished Naruto's character like this...but well this is the reality of the series now. Everything for Hinata-sama

 

 

You know something is f**cked up when the beginning, a story preached about "going against fate/destiny" and in the end the MC was all along a prophecy child/ reincarnation of a demi god and Hinata, the "useless" ex heir from the Hyuuga clan actually was a hidden secret princess all along

Edited by Nar123, 14 March 2015 - 11:17 AM.

[Nar123]

It's all there in the Manga. She still obsessed over Sasuke when the war was going on, she still obsessed over him when he backstabbed them, she still obsessed over him when she married him. And yeag, I term the love that still stays strong whe. the other guy is trying to kill/is openly abusive against you obsessive. Actually trashing his feelings like that without any apparent reason is even worse.

 

No one is defending how Sakura's character was handled, ever since Kage Summit arc her character has been horrible with only small shows of interesting things 

 

We are just trying to show to you that not only her character was ruined, the ending destroyed everyone else too, period.

And who is the one at fault? Yeah, Kishimoto, he is the one that brought his own story to such a kitten state

[somilmish]

if he didn't confirm why did he remain silent about it?
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I heard stories he was supposed to confirm in the original script but Junko Takeuchi refused to voice that part
so either way the intent was to show Naruto agreed with what she was talking
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And even before this moment you could see Naruto acting horribly OOC on the last, I mean Toneri got Hinata,and he stays sulking around because she "rejected" him? I mean, c'mon Naruto you have 19 freaking years old, the fate of the world is in the hands of our team and you get like that? It was forced to make him give up like that considering what was at stake at the moment and makes Naruto look even more like a selfish jackass

Hm.. Really? If there is confirmation on Naruto's part that he loved her because of the rivalry, I will wholeheartedly support Sakura. Before that, no.
Actually, Naruto is a pretty sulky guy. His motivations for fighting generally come from his emotions about the situation. A big example was when he almost gave up against Juubi when Neki and others were killed. The last Naruto's trait matches up with the canon one's in that regard.

And yeah. I know that the ending was destroyed. I posted some rants on this board about that too. But I just can't see why people hate naruto and the others and not Sakura based on the ending.

Edited by somilmish, 14 March 2015 - 11:19 AM.