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#31041 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 12 June 2023 - 03:50 AM

I think Naruto is in a similar situation as star wars right now but i don't know how either series will end up. There are some fans who support the star wars sequels but many don't

Disney seems to be getting fed up with it not making them money, from what I heard. They let Kennedy do what she wanted because they politically agree with her, but they don't like the fact she has burnt down all Lucasfilm's IPs due to her ego trip. Something may happen, as Star Wars was once the greatest IP in Hollywood which they want back, but that is likely years from now.

 

They are doing something with Naruto-Boruto. But, I don't have contacts in Japan especially ones that have their noses in the shounen scene. So, all I can do is guess.

 

Yeah I'm hoping Japan stays as far away from ESG we've all seen what that can do to a company. Look at Bud Light? They hired that inexperienced woman who single handily destroyed them the same with Kennedy with all the things she's done and then all the kitten happening at Marvel.

I mean I don't care what they do with Naruto hell Id welcome the woke to destroy Naruto even more as they can be crazy.

At this point they are just doing all they can to get the Naruto name to sell money but it wont.

Some companies are starting to go that way. It is inevitable due to Western investors slinking their way into the companies. However, they are not totally ignorant as they do know what happened to Western Media. So they may try to limit it...how successful they will be at that, we will see over the next few years. However, Japanese media does not have the reserves that Hollywood had, they can't handle years of flops. The line between success and cancelation is thin there and the influx of western money can only affect that by so much.

 

Mario Movie from what I understand, was totally different before Nintendo Japanese executives took a look at it; then order it to be more in line with the games. Hell, I wouldn't be surprise that Sonic was changed in his movie because the Japanese hated that monstrosity they first showed. 

 

Which is why I made a guess, if they are smart, of using Naruto-Boruto as a sacrifice to see if "going woke" would even make them a profit.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 12 June 2023 - 07:18 AM.


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Posted 12 June 2023 - 06:32 AM

...Huh? r/Naruto on reddit has gone private for some reason.



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Posted 12 June 2023 - 03:44 PM

...Huh? r/Naruto on reddit has gone private for some reason.

 

Reddit is having an API change on the website. Will comeback after 2 days.


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Posted 12 June 2023 - 03:55 PM

Don't kill me but one time I read an SS fic before I was into Naruto.... the writer had Sakura be a Damsel. Later I read an NS fic where Sakura is part of the action. NS sees her as an equal.


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Posted 12 June 2023 - 06:23 PM

Mario movie was good because Nintendo was involved with the story. Video game movies are  probably the new superhero movie craze. 


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Posted 12 June 2023 - 07:30 PM

In regard to "wokeness infiltrating Japan" it's not going to happen. It's already starting to die off in Western nations as the pendulum swings back in the other direction. Parents are pulling their kids from public schools, and people aren't listening to the woke mobs anymore. As college enrolment continues to plumet, so too will the woke culture since that's where a lot of that BS starts. 

 

And unlike in America and Western nations where values have gone out the window, most of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and South America still hold on to their customs and traditions. Wokeness will have a hard time reaching there, especially in the Middle East. 



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Posted 12 June 2023 - 08:08 PM

Sakura has the problem most of the cast has, "people wanted her to have a story, while kishimoto was content with just having a moment at the last chapter." This bit him in two ways. One, him doing nothing with Sakura most of the time made people think he was sexist because she wasn't as important as her teammates. Two, most fans developed headcanons to fill the voids in the story, some that even contradict what actually happens...hell that SS manga clearly contradicts how the ninja world was set up.

 

Sakura clearly at least had the ability to invoke strong feeling in the audience. Most writers dream of having a character have as strong of an impact as some Naruto characters did.

Unfortunately, Kishimoto not going through Neji and Hinata story lead to fans filling in the blanks, some ended up working at SP, and their desires even up overwriting him. Of course they felt pity/sympathy/lust for her so they made her perfect. The hyuuga plot was Neji's with his death it was dropped. For Hinata Goddess Princess of the Moon.

 

Oh I heard something recently. Apparently, in Japanese folklore the moon is suppose to be the pure land of divine beings/gods live. So by making Hinata the princess of the moon is short hand in Japanese to making her the Princess of the Gods. The more I learn about Japanese culture, the more blatant you realize they were in trying to shove her down everyone throats.

 

It is how I sum up how I've seen people reaction/how they connect to her. No one really likes her obsessing over Sasuke...to some extent not even SS fans; as they would at least like some development.

 

Kakashi was made Hokage for Hinata's big movie. Then he had to stay hokage to justify him being there for that movie. Shortening the amount of time Naruto could be hokage and screwing over Tsunade's role in the manga. As she was suppose to be hokage till Naruto was ready.

 

Part of it was him being upset for his mother. Of course when she keeps explaining that his father has an important job, he still act like a brat.

 

A story can only be deep if its set up beforehand. The problem is Naruto isn't allowed to reflect on anything too much, which prevents him from learning or growing too much. Because Kishimoto didn't want to or know how to deal with it. Which means in order for Naruto to work it has to be kept simple and avoid the hard topics as much as it can. It did that under Yahagi but afterwards it slowed down and tried to be deeper and more nuanced without any of the build up.

 

Look at what One Piece is doing right now with the Reverie arc, that story has been set up and building since at least the Drum Island arc.

 

Now compare to... Dark Naruto. When Naruto meets his evil side containing all the dark thought he ever had they only thing that is brought up is that he didn't give those two random mooks at the start of the arc his autograph. And he find inner peace by coming up with an autograph that he will give out to anyone who asks from then on.

 

Sasuke had two scenes: he was the first to offer Naruto food during the bell test and he protected Naruto during the wave arc. Those two scenes had to hold up the entire story from then on. Which includes chasing after him for what...ten maybe twelve years real time? No matter how good those two scenes are, those years will stretches the believability of Naruto still chasing after him, and more importantly the audiences' patience. 

 

Kishimoto made Sasuke returning the village=saving the world because he wanted them to be the final battle without really justifying why it should be.

 

In theory, Naruto wanted ninja to see themselves as humans instead of tools of war...wasn't as explored as "how to get Sasuke to return to the village?" Of course the lessons Boruto is learning how to beocme the perfect ninja weapon...which goes to show how far Naruto failed.

 

Its not just what he did with Sakura that had people thinking he was sexist Its how he wrote all his female characters+ words from his own mouth that leave people feeling that way. Example 1: "Oh, I don't know how to write women." Example 2: "Sakura would be a bad women if she moved on from Sasuke." 

Almost every single woman in the series is inferior skill wise to their male teammates. The only exception I can think of to this is Tsunade who is visibly shown trouncing Orochimaru+Kabuto at points (Although she had an assist from Naruto, Gamabunta and Jiraiya so :zaru:) and is the sole reason why the Kage's survived going toe to toe with Madara as long as they did. In fact what female other than Konan is shown soloing a big bad? None. Even Sakura's big fight with Sasori was a team effort. Her character defining struggle with the Sound 3 required outside interference. The only (Shown) solo fight she had was against Ino. 

I'm not even going to go too much into Kurenai or Hinata because I don't have an issue with women choosing to build families over their careers but there absolutely is something about the way that Kishimoto writes women that feels dismissive.  And I'm someone whose mad that Mei didn't fulfill her dream of getting married. 

Yes, it is a shounen, yes the main character is Naruto, followed by Sasuke, but Kishimoto is the one who set up the expectation that Sakura would have a bigger part to play and didn't follow through on it. 

You're absolutely right that the fandom is mostly sustained by headcanons and fanfiction tho. Every one knows the story and the characters had so much potential and EVERY ONE was ultimately left disappointed even if their pairing happened. 

The least Hinata could have done after getting Neji killed was take up his mantle and work on abolishing Branch and Main families but I guess the feeling was that she's not an important character, so why give her any substance at all  :hehehe: 

If you look at what SS fans write in their fanfictions you'll get a clear idea of what they want SS to be and its the exact opposite of what they got in canon. Sasuke is deeply passionate about Sakura, possessive, wants to be near her, protective and apt to kitten her up a wall at the drop of a dime :zaru: He chases her, makes affectionate gestures. He's aloof on the outside, doesn't talk a lot but physically touchy.

Nothing about fandom Sasuke is like Canon Sasuke other than his name, looks and skill set. 

If I recall correctly, Kishimoto wanted another arc between the Wave and the Chuunin exam but Yahagi in a rare mistake rushed him forward. That extra arc might have helped. (or not, since its Kishimoto.) But he had every opportunity to slip something in there that was believable... instead he just pulled some kitten "They're reincarnated brothers and you can never abandon your brother!!" move. It really doesn't help that from the chuunin exam onwards, all we really get from Sasuke towards Naruto is absolute SALT that Naruto has improved himself and become "stronger". Sasuke only liked Naruto when he thought he was better than him. 

At the end of the day, despite Kishimoto setting Naruto up to be some kind of Ninja civil rights activist, nothing was more important to him as a character and narratively than "Reforming" Sasuke--and even that he did such a sloppy job of. "ninja are human beings and deserve to have emotions and the right to self determination! They shouldn't be hunted like animals for refusing to follow the status quo" -proceeds to hunt Sasuke because he refuses to follow Naruto's dictations.-  :twitch: mixed messages galore. 








 

Just found this. Don't know to laugh or..... :chuckle:

 

New official Naruto tarot cards

Cards

 

I actually like Tarot cards--not because I believe in the cards but because I think its fun in the same way horoscopes and fortune cookies are. But 1. These cards are ugly, artistically lazy and 2. do not match their assigned characters.  

I'm going to separate my complaints into two camps 1; looks. There is no reason for Sakura and Hinata to both be holding books,  this is proper for the high priestess (Who is my fav card) but NOT for the empress who sits on a throne with a crown (typically 12 starred.) and wields a scepter. 

As for meanings, The High Priestess is ruled by the moon (huh, that sounds more like Hinata.) Balanced between Peace and Severity ( Okay I can see Sakura in that.) but also about mystery, balance, patience and science. In the reverse it can be about Vanity, instability, selfishness, deception, lust and for lack of better wording; ignorance. okay maybe this one fits her :zaru: 

The Empress is associated with Venus, motherhood, earth and wisdom. Luxury and abundance. She is growth and fertility. (I actually think Tsunade would have fit this card best.) In the reverse she is overindulgence, dominance, barrenness and sensual pleasure. 
 

Naruto is no way similar to the Emperor who is all about material wealth, reason and logic, restrained emotions, protection, regulations and unyielding power.  In the reverse its rigidity, miserly-natured, lack of self control, confusion. obstruction, and immaturity. 

Maybe I'll do more of these deconstructions later. They put like 0 effort into these and it shows. 

 

 

Yeah Im hoping Japan stays as far away from ESG weve all seen what that can do to a company. Look at Bud Light? They hired that inexperienced woman who single handily destroyed them the same with Kennedy with all the things shes done and then all the kitten happening at Marvel.

I mean I dont care what they do with Naruto hell Id welcome the woke to destroy Naruto even more as they can be crazy.

At this point they are just doing all they can to get the Naruto name to sell money but it wont.

I'm about as far from a "woke liberal" woman as they come without verging on weird and the issue with Bud light is that they forgot who their target audience was--and that's endemic to media as a whole right now. They keep trying to play to the vocal, fringe minority after the majority have just silently stood around letting them say and do whatever they want (because they're scared to be called bigoted for saying "No." ) but the slippery slope is real and they've slide down too far. 

As for the Live Action Remakes, they're essentially copy-pasted versions that can never live up to their originals. They ONLY one that some how managed to be GOOD and likable was the first one they did; Cinderella. beautiful dress, beautiful actress who managed to capture the look and spirit of the animated version. Disney got lazy after that. Beauty and the Beast: Emma Watson can't sing, she refused to wear a dress with a "corset" because muh feminism and frankly I find her to be a kitten actress in general.  :hm: 
Aladdin? What Genie could ever compare to Robin Williams?

Lion King? Failure because hyper realistic lions can't sell emotions the way animated lions can. 

Realistic Flounder/Sebastian, dingy grey underwater, mishmashed characters (If you're going to commit to making Ariel black maybe have her family match. Just a thought.) tweaking song lyrics to be more "modern" (They did this same kitten with "Baby Its Cold outside" ) Even when Ariel OBVOUSLY wants/needs Eric to kiss her are just some of the poor choices that movie made. (And this was literally my fav movie as a kid, touching it was basically heresy on Disney's part.) Awkwafina as scuttle  :arg: 

"woke" writers suck realistic, human emotion and the ability of the audience to draw their own conclusions out of everything. 


The real issue with Marvel isn't their movies, its their comics from the last 10yrs or so which they are now trying to inject into the movies. 

Oddly, Captain Marvel/Carol in comics twenty/15 years ago was likable, then they made her into a kitten and then adapted the kitteny, unlikable version into the movies.  :shifty: 



 


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Posted 12 June 2023 - 09:28 PM

Sadly, that's not correct. Hollywood is obsessed with the box office numbers and they want their big movies to make the big millstone which at the moment is 1 billion at the box office.

 

The Last and Boruto are not flops if you just go by earning; as their budgets were only a couple million each. However, once those new shounen jump anime movies were making hundreds of millions. Then they became flops by being disappointment's as, why couldn't the Naruto movies make hundreds of millions like the others when it used to be the king of international sales?

 

Little Mermaids has a budget in the hundreds of millions and from what people are saying, in order to break even it needs to make at least 500-800 million to break even, but what they really want is for it to hit is 1 billion like the Lion King and Aladdin. If it doesn't it is a flop. It is at $414 million right now. So going by how it doing, it needs to make at least another 80 million over the next few weeks to possibly break even, but it will still be a disappointing flop if it does not come close to a billion.

 

The US is the only market it is doing well in but even that isn't meeting expectations.

 

Granted, at least it has a chance of breaking even without hitting a billion. From what people have been saying, Dial of Destiny needs to make a billion to break even because Kennedy gave her ego trip vanity movie a massive budget. 

 

I was answering, "why they suddenly decided to do a deck of Tarot cards?" Since, it seems random if done out of a blue, because I can't see much of a demand for it. Not helped that the mistakes make it look cheaply and quickly made. However, I often seen IP that are going woke do tarot because some western/progressive/liberal/woke -pick you preferred word- women obsess over things like tarots to get their spiritual needs. They often seem to be the people pushing it in companies they are involved in as it one of the things they like. Therefor everyone should like it, in their minds. Tarot does not mean going woke, in of itself, but can be a sign of it.

 

With western companies like Disney burning to the ground; along with Mario's success. I made a guess that its a sign that Western investors are finally taking an interest in Japanese media and one of the things those investors obsess over is the company's ESG scores. Which several Japanese companies have had articles talking about them focusing on that.

 

Why they are currently focusing on the games, one would be a poor entrepreneur if they did not branch out. So it is likely they are also looking at anime/manga as well.

 

Naruto maybe over, Boruto isn't (sadly,) and it is one of the few big IPs they have that isn't being protected by its creator. As Kishimoto has pretty much given up and would let them do whatever they want with it. So, why not make it "go woke," to see if it earns some money. If it does great (terrible) more anime/manga will likely do the same. If it doesn't make any money....well, it wasn't making them much money anyways.

 

I was giving an answer to milan Naruto tarot questions. I wasn't trying to be political...well, I guess no more than was needed to give a possible answer. If you have another answer and thoughts on the cards feel free to tell us. I rather have someone try to explain why these characters are on those cards. As I never understood tarot despite trying to figure it out; as it keep popping up.

 

Netflix has a live action One Piece tv show in production right now. Apparently, they are on reshoots. At least before the latest writers' strike. 

 

Sorry I didn't see the connection with those cards and Naruto. If I had to guess why they are selling those cards with Naruto characters on they probably figured they could get a little profit of from a female market and fans who would buy anything, whether  or not that would work I do not know. I would probably say those Naruto's movies are more of a moderate success rate for the time they came out in terms of anime. I wouldn't say Marvel and Disney are dead yet, as Bob Iger did announce a couple of Disney movies that people are more likely to go see like Toy Story 5, Zootopia 2 and Frozen 3, can't say they will be good or not though people are bond to go watch them.  I don't doubt that they will try to market Anime besides games, mostly try to do live action anime adaptions, though I think  they have managed to crack the code with game adaptions first. Meant to say One Piece Live Action tv series not film, it probably won't be out until oda approves.

 

In regard to "wokeness infiltrating Japan" it's not going to happen. It's already starting to die off in Western nations as the pendulum swings back in the other direction. Parents are pulling their kids from public schools, and people aren't listening to the woke mobs anymore. As college enrolment continues to plumet, so too will the woke culture since that's where a lot of that BS starts. 

 

And unlike in America and Western nations where values have gone out the window, most of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and South America still hold on to their customs and traditions. Wokeness will have a hard time reaching there, especially in the Middle East. 

I wouldn't really say that about the west, as recent polling showed most American's find it more positive than negative, heck I find some get rather off putted if one goes too far in the other end when they go too anti woke and take extreme positions. Some of the countries in those areas you mentioned aren't exactly the best on humans rights issue in general, though I won't say which ones as that might be too political for this thread

https://www.advocate...-americans-poll
 

https://eu.usatoday....ll/11417394002/

 

 

Its not just what he did with Sakura that had people thinking he was sexist Its how he wrote all his female characters+ words from his own mouth that leave people feeling that way. Example 1: "Oh, I don't know how to write women." Example 2: "Sakura would be a bad women if she moved on from Sasuke." 

Almost every single woman in the series is inferior skill wise to their male teammates. The only exception I can think of to this is Tsunade who is visibly shown trouncing Orochimaru+Kabuto at points (Although she had an assist from Naruto, Gamabunta and Jiraiya so :zaru:) and is the sole reason why the Kage's survived going toe to toe with Madara as long as they did. In fact what female other than Konan is shown soloing a big bad? None. Even Sakura's big fight with Sasori was a team effort. Her character defining struggle with the Sound 3 required outside interference. The only (Shown) solo fight she had was against Ino. 

I'm not even going to go too much into Kurenai or Hinata because I don't have an issue with women choosing to build families over their careers but there absolutely is something about the way that Kishimoto writes women that feels dismissive.  And I'm someone whose mad that Mei didn't fulfill her dream of getting married. 

Yes, it is a shounen, yes the main character is Naruto, followed by Sasuke, but Kishimoto is the one who set up the expectation that Sakura would have a bigger part to play and didn't follow through on it. 

You're absolutely right that the fandom is mostly sustained by headcanons and fanfiction tho. Every one knows the story and the characters had so much potential and EVERY ONE was ultimately left disappointed even if their pairing happened. 

The least Hinata could have done after getting Neji killed was take up his mantle and work on abolishing Branch and Main families but I guess the feeling was that she's not an important character, so why give her any substance at all  :hehehe: 

If you look at what SS fans write in their fanfictions you'll get a clear idea of what they want SS to be and its the exact opposite of what they got in canon. Sasuke is deeply passionate about Sakura, possessive, wants to be near her, protective and apt to kitten her up a wall at the drop of a dime :zaru: He chases her, makes affectionate gestures. He's aloof on the outside, doesn't talk a lot but physically touchy.

Nothing about fandom Sasuke is like Canon Sasuke other than his name, looks and skill set. 

If I recall correctly, Kishimoto wanted another arc between the Wave and the Chuunin exam but Yahagi in a rare mistake rushed him forward. That extra arc might have helped. (or not, since its Kishimoto.) But he had every opportunity to slip something in there that was believable... instead he just pulled some kitten "They're reincarnated brothers and you can never abandon your brother!!" move. It really doesn't help that from the chuunin exam onwards, all we really get from Sasuke towards Naruto is absolute SALT that Naruto has improved himself and become "stronger". Sasuke only liked Naruto when he thought he was better than him. 

At the end of the day, despite Kishimoto setting Naruto up to be some kind of Ninja civil rights activist, nothing was more important to him as a character and narratively than "Reforming" Sasuke--and even that he did such a sloppy job of. "ninja are human beings and deserve to have emotions and the right to self determination! They shouldn't be hunted like animals for refusing to follow the status quo" -proceeds to hunt Sasuke because he refuses to follow Naruto's dictations.-  :twitch: mixed messages galore. 







 

 

I actually like Tarot cards--not because I believe in the cards but because I think its fun in the same way horoscopes and fortune cookies are. But 1. These cards are ugly, artistically lazy and 2. do not match their assigned characters.  

I'm going to separate my complaints into two camps 1; looks. There is no reason for Sakura and Hinata to both be holding books,  this is proper for the high priestess (Who is my fav card) but NOT for the empress who sits on a throne with a crown (typically 12 starred.) and wields a scepter. 

As for meanings, The High Priestess is ruled by the moon (huh, that sounds more like Hinata.) Balanced between Peace and Severity ( Okay I can see Sakura in that.) but also about mystery, balance, patience and science. In the reverse it can be about Vanity, instability, selfishness, deception, lust and for lack of better wording; ignorance. okay maybe this one fits her :zaru: 

The Empress is associated with Venus, motherhood, earth and wisdom. Luxury and abundance. She is growth and fertility. (I actually think Tsunade would have fit this card best.) In the reverse she is overindulgence, dominance, barrenness and sensual pleasure. 
 

Naruto is no way similar to the Emperor who is all about material wealth, reason and logic, restrained emotions, protection, regulations and unyielding power.  In the reverse its rigidity, miserly-natured, lack of self control, confusion. obstruction, and immaturity. 

Maybe I'll do more of these deconstructions later. They put like 0 effort into these and it shows. 

 

 

I'm about as far from a "woke liberal" woman as they come without verging on weird and the issue with Bud light is that they forgot who their target audience was--and that's endemic to media as a whole right now. They keep trying to play to the vocal, fringe minority after the majority have just silently stood around letting them say and do whatever they want (because they're scared to be called bigoted for saying "No." ) but the slippery slope is real and they've slide down too far. 

As for the Live Action Remakes, they're essentially copy-pasted versions that can never live up to their originals. They ONLY one that some how managed to be GOOD and likable was the first one they did; Cinderella. beautiful dress, beautiful actress who managed to capture the look and spirit of the animated version. Disney got lazy after that. Beauty and the Beast: Emma Watson can't sing, she refused to wear a dress with a "corset" because muh feminism and frankly I find her to be a kitten actress in general.  :hm: 
Aladdin? What Genie could ever compare to Robin Williams?

Lion King? Failure because hyper realistic lions can't sell emotions the way animated lions can. 

Realistic Flounder/Sebastian, dingy grey underwater, mishmashed characters (If you're going to commit to making Ariel black maybe have her family match. Just a thought.) tweaking song lyrics to be more "modern" (They did this same kitten with "Baby Its Cold outside" ) Even when Ariel OBVOUSLY wants/needs Eric to kiss her are just some of the poor choices that movie made. (And this was literally my fav movie as a kid, touching it was basically heresy on Disney's part.) Awkwafina as scuttle  :arg: 

"woke" writers suck realistic, human emotion and the ability of the audience to draw their own conclusions out of everything. 


The real issue with Marvel isn't their movies, its their comics from the last 10yrs or so which they are now trying to inject into the movies. 

Oddly, Captain Marvel/Carol in comics twenty/15 years ago was likable, then they made her into a kitten and then adapted the kitteny, unlikable version into the movies.  :shifty: 



 

 

I wouldn't necessarily say sakura and chiyo tramming up is bad as it was a good fight with both needing the other for the thing they lacked at the time, Sakura lacked experience while chiyo lacked the strength and to an extent the medical skills to deal with Sasori's poison. Also sasori underestimated them at the beginning and became more serious as he started to acknowledge their skills. Plus I think it's fine that at the begging of part 2 that it takes more than one ninja to take down an akatuski member, because they are supposed to be strong heck naruto teamed up with kakashi against a fake version of itachi and Deadira. Problem was that we never got a solo fight with her afterwards to see her improvement, the best options I could think kishimoto could of done this with are konan, kabuto, an edo chiyo and maybe even sprial zetsu.

I'd argue that the Jungle book Live Action was pretty good, as it did its own story for the most part. Heck while dumbo wasn't exactly considered one of the best I will at least applaud it for trying to do its own original story , though probably because the original film was only an hour long. I Hear they are now attempting to do prequels or sequels to these live actions so they might be more original, like a mufsa prequel.



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Posted 12 June 2023 - 09:56 PM

I wouldn't really say that about the west, as recent polling showed most American's find it more positive than negative, heck I find some get rather off putted if one goes too far in the other end when they go too anti woke and take extreme positions. Some of the countries in those areas you mentioned aren't exactly the best on humans rights issue in general, though I won't say which ones as that might be too political for this thread

https://www.advocate...-americans-poll
 

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I guess it depends on how you get your news and information. Polls tend to not be very reliable since the people making the polls tend to target people who align with their ideals. If you poll people in the city you're going to have very different result than if you polled people in small rural towns. But from what I've seen, wokeness is only in the cities. You might catch glimpses of it in small rural areas, but it's not shoved down our throats. 

 

BUT the sources I watch show the left is split down the middle with wokeness. 50% approve of it, while the other 50% disapprove of it. Whereas the right is united and dislikes it altogether. 



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Posted 12 June 2023 - 10:09 PM

I'm answering this on the political thread as that is more appropriate for this topic.

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Posted 12 June 2023 - 10:16 PM

 

Sorry I didn't see the connection with those cards and Naruto. If I had to guess why they are selling those cards with Naruto characters on they probably figured they could get a little profit of from a female market and fans who would buy anything, whether  or not that would work I do not know. I would probably say those Naruto's movies are more of a moderate success rate for the time they came out in terms of anime. I wouldn't say Marvel and Disney are dead yet, as Bob Iger did announce a couple of Disney movies that people are more likely to go see like Toy Story 5, Zootopia 2 and Frozen 3, can't say they will be good or not though people are bond to go watch them.  I don't doubt that they will try to market Anime besides games, mostly try to do live action anime adaptions, though I think  they have managed to crack the code with game adaptions first. Meant to say One Piece Live Action tv series not film, it probably won't be out until oda approves.

 

I wouldn't really say that about the west, as recent polling showed most American's find it more positive than negative, heck I find some get rather off putted if one goes too far in the other end when they go too anti woke and take extreme positions. Some of the countries in those areas you mentioned aren't exactly the best on humans rights issue in general, though I won't say which ones as that might be too political for this thread

https://www.advocate...-americans-poll
 

https://eu.usatoday....ll/11417394002/

 

 

I wouldn't necessarily say sakura and chiyo tramming up is bad as it was a good fight with both needing the other for the thing they lacked at the time, Sakura lacked experience while chiyo lacked the strength and to an extent the medical skills to deal with Sasori's poison. Also sasori underestimated them at the beginning and became more serious as he started to acknowledge their skills. Plus I think it's fine that at the begging of part 2 that it takes more than one ninja to take down an akatuski member, because they are supposed to be strong heck naruto teamed up with kakashi against a fake version of itachi and Deadira. Problem was that we never got a solo fight with her afterwards to see her improvement, the best options I could think kishimoto could of done this with are konan, kabuto, an edo chiyo and maybe even sprial zetsu.

I'd argue that the Jungle book Live Action was pretty good, as it did its own story for the most part. Heck while dumbo wasn't exactly considered one of the best I will at least applaud it for trying to do its own original story , though probably because the original film was only an hour long. I Hear they are now attempting to do prequels or sequels to these live actions so they might be more original, like a mufsa prequel.

To be clear, I'm not complaining about Sakura and Chiyo teaming up. I loved it for a lot of reasons. The tenacity and ingenuity of the young matched with the experience of the old, Chiyo having to fight along side the successor of her rival and a girl from a village she has a lot of reasons to hate and coming to respect her despite all of it. 

Its just that its repeated throughout the series that every fight that involves a woman, she either fails, or needs someone to come in and help her. If it happens once or twice, that's hardly a problem but when its EVERY ONE you start to pick up on it+ all the other stuff. 

Edo Chiyo+Sasori are useless without puppets, the only thing they can do is uselessly respawn/ body snatch people and make them fight for them. And STILL It would have made more sense for Sakura to face the two of them than Kankuro. That's a fight I wish we got to see. Sakura against Kabuto would have been good too. 

Sakura VS Sasuke even better. :hm: 

Jungle Book wasn't bad, but TBH I always think of the org first but by the time Dumbo came out I was just done with the LA's and skipped it.  Its like Disney has become creatively bankrupt. I didn't even like toy story 4 and the idea of there being a 5 makes me cringe. 


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Posted 12 June 2023 - 10:47 PM

To be clear, I'm not complaining about Sakura and Chiyo teaming up. I loved it for a lot of reasons. The tenacity and ingenuity of the young matched with the experience of the old, Chiyo having to fight along side the successor of her rival and a girl from a village she has a lot of reasons to hate and coming to respect her despite all of it. 

Its just that its repeated throughout the series that every fight that involves a woman, she either fails, or needs someone to come in and help her. If it happens once or twice, that's hardly a problem but when its EVERY ONE you start to pick up on it+ all the other stuff. 

Edo Chiyo+Sasori are useless without puppets, the only thing they can do is uselessly respawn/ body snatch people and make them fight for them. And STILL It would have made more sense for Sakura to face the two of them than Kankuro. That's a fight I wish we got to see. Sakura against Kabuto would have been good too. 

Sakura VS Sasuke even better. :hm: 

Jungle Book wasn't bad, but TBH I always think of the org first but by the time Dumbo came out I was just done with the LA's and skipped it.  Its like Disney has become creatively bankrupt. I didn't even like toy story 4 and the idea of there being a 5 makes me cringe.


Sorry wasn't sure sure if that was the case with sakura vs chiyo. I'd say the only execption to what you discribe is temari coming to help shikamaru out against tayuya.

I would say a match against edo chiyo should be considered more of a warm up match for her as she should then face of against a more powerful opponent, like etheir anther edo tensei like hanzo or kimimaro that where aprt of her group.

Kabuto I feel like would make a good thematic villain for her, as the are both trained by sanin, both are medic ninja and both aren't from powerful clan's. It's just the way they gain power and how they use their medic skills is what makes them opposites. Frankly kishimoto missed an opportunity to do a rivalry with them when they met again in the second arc of part 2.

I put sprial zetsu as an options because I feel it would fit in to her intrest in wood style, plus have her safe yamato. Konan because she was the one female member of akatsuki and they are similar in how they support their teammates.

Yes I think she should have a fight or two against sasuke, I just don't execpt her to win against him because naruto is supposed to. So its beast she gets feats elsewhere as when it comes to shonen action manga you don't have any feats you get hated.

I think there is still creativity left in Disney as besides all the sequels there are going to be some original films lime elementals and this new princess one called wish

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Posted 13 June 2023 - 12:39 AM

Of the two newest Disney Movie's I think Wish has the most potential for success, it feels like its going back to Disney's roots in a respectful way. As for Elemental, this is just personal taste but I didn't like Inside Out--I thought the concept was too wacky and i have the same feeling for Elemental ( That and its kind of been done before. 1981; The Sea Prince and The Fire child. )

I'm sure Disney is going to make lots more Revisionist Villain films. They already did Maleficent and Cruella, I'm expecting Lady Tremaine and Ursula as secretly good all along  :hm: 

Yea, Temari rescuing Shikamaru would be the exception to the rule. 

I wouldn't mind Sakura losing to Sasuke, since its expected the main point of it is to see that yes, she is in fact willing to go against him and fight him when the situation necessitates it. That she CAN put aside her feelings to defend herself, or someone else rather than making her Sasuke's doormat. 

The main problem is that in order to give her any other interesting fights during the War Arc, Sakura would have to be in a different place (which she should have been because the way Kishimoto set up those squads was just another nail of stupidity in his story. "Lets put all long rangers together and all the short ranges over there and all the hyuuga can be together too~" ) 


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Posted 13 June 2023 - 12:40 AM

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Ah good this is normal. I don't use reddit that often. I wanted to look if reddit comments had any interesting thought on the tarot to bring it back to it.

Don't kill me but one time I read an SS fic before I was into Naruto.... the writer had Sakura be a Damsel. Later I read an NS fic where Sakura is part of the action. NS sees her as an equal.

Then, it was that writer's fantasy to be rescued by a dreamy bad boy. SS likes to use Sakura as their insert character. NS has what was written and what was intended to go off of.

Mario movie was good because Nintendo was involved with the story. Video game movies are  probably the new superhero movie craze. 

Yes, and the largest amount of iconic game characters are Japanese. Which means Hollywood and their investors are now putting money into Japanese media. 

In regard to "wokeness infiltrating Japan" it's not going to happen. It's already starting to die off in Western nations as the pendulum swings back in the other direction. Parents are pulling their kids from public schools, and people aren't listening to the woke mobs anymore. As college enrolment continues to plumet, so too will the woke culture since that's where a lot of that BS starts. 

 

And unlike in America and Western nations where values have gone out the window, most of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and South America still hold on to their customs and traditions. Wokeness will have a hard time reaching there, especially in the Middle East. 

I hope it doesn't happen, but to assume it cannot happen is arrogance that can lead to ruin. 

 

Its dying off not because of them realizing it doesn't work or that audiences has finally gotten sick of it...both which are true. But due to them, finally, running out of money. They are just going to a new score of IPs to burn through as they haven't learned anything yet.

 

It up to the Japanese to make sure their companies reject it instead of bending to it. Which they have to do, as they don't have the reserves of cash to endure if the investors burn through their IPs.

 

Granted their system allows for easier creation of new IPs than Hollywood's.

I guess it depends on how you get your news and information. Polls tend to not be very reliable since the people making the polls tend to target people who align with their ideals. If you poll people in the city you're going to have very different result than if you polled people in small rural towns. But from what I've seen, wokeness is only in the cities. You might catch glimpses of it in small rural areas, but it's not shoved down our throats. 

 

BUT the sources I watch show the left is split down the middle with wokeness. 50% approve of it, while the other 50% disapprove of it. Whereas the right is united and dislikes it altogether. 

 

Its not just what he did with Sakura that had people thinking he was sexist Its how he wrote all his female characters+ words from his own mouth that leave people feeling that way. Example 1: "Oh, I don't know how to write women." Example 2: "Sakura would be a bad women if she moved on from Sasuke." 

Almost every single woman in the series is inferior skill wise to their male teammates. The only exception I can think of to this is Tsunade who is visibly shown trouncing Orochimaru+Kabuto at points (Although she had an assist from Naruto, Gamabunta and Jiraiya so :zaru:) and is the sole reason why the Kage's survived going toe to toe with Madara as long as they did. In fact what female other than Konan is shown soloing a big bad? None. Even Sakura's big fight with Sasori was a team effort. Her character defining struggle with the Sound 3 required outside interference. The only (Shown) solo fight she had was against Ino. 

I'm not even going to go too much into Kurenai or Hinata because I don't have an issue with women choosing to build families over their careers but there absolutely is something about the way that Kishimoto writes women that feels dismissive.  And I'm someone whose mad that Mei didn't fulfill her dream of getting married. 

Yes, it is a shounen, yes the main character is Naruto, followed by Sasuke, but Kishimoto is the one who set up the expectation that Sakura would have a bigger part to play and didn't follow through on it. 

You're absolutely right that the fandom is mostly sustained by headcanons and fanfiction tho. Every one knows the story and the characters had so much potential and EVERY ONE was ultimately left disappointed even if their pairing happened. 

The least Hinata could have done after getting Neji killed was take up his mantle and work on abolishing Branch and Main families but I guess the feeling was that she's not an important character, so why give her any substance at all  :hehehe: 

If you look at what SS fans write in their fanfictions you'll get a clear idea of what they want SS to be and its the exact opposite of what they got in canon. Sasuke is deeply passionate about Sakura, possessive, wants to be near her, protective and apt to kitten her up a wall at the drop of a dime :zaru: He chases her, makes affectionate gestures. He's aloof on the outside, doesn't talk a lot but physically touchy.

Nothing about fandom Sasuke is like Canon Sasuke other than his name, looks and skill set. 

If I recall correctly, Kishimoto wanted another arc between the Wave and the Chuunin exam but Yahagi in a rare mistake rushed him forward. That extra arc might have helped. (or not, since its Kishimoto.) But he had every opportunity to slip something in there that was believable... instead he just pulled some kitten "They're reincarnated brothers and you can never abandon your brother!!" move. It really doesn't help that from the chuunin exam onwards, all we really get from Sasuke towards Naruto is absolute SALT that Naruto has improved himself and become "stronger". Sasuke only liked Naruto when he thought he was better than him. 

At the end of the day, despite Kishimoto setting Naruto up to be some kind of Ninja civil rights activist, nothing was more important to him as a character and narratively than "Reforming" Sasuke--and even that he did such a sloppy job of. "ninja are human beings and deserve to have emotions and the right to self determination! They shouldn't be hunted like animals for refusing to follow the status quo" -proceeds to hunt Sasuke because he refuses to follow Naruto's dictations.-  :twitch: mixed messages galore. 

 

I actually like Tarot cards--not because I believe in the cards but because I think its fun in the same way horoscopes and fortune cookies are. But 1. These cards are ugly, artistically lazy and 2. do not match their assigned characters.  

I'm going to separate my complaints into two camps 1; looks. There is no reason for Sakura and Hinata to both be holding books,  this is proper for the high priestess (Who is my fav card) but NOT for the empress who sits on a throne with a crown (typically 12 starred.) and wields a scepter. 

As for meanings, The High Priestess is ruled by the moon (huh, that sounds more like Hinata.) Balanced between Peace and Severity ( Okay I can see Sakura in that.) but also about mystery, balance, patience and science. In the reverse it can be about Vanity, instability, selfishness, deception, lust and for lack of better wording; ignorance. okay maybe this one fits her :zaru: 

The Empress is associated with Venus, motherhood, earth and wisdom. Luxury and abundance. She is growth and fertility. (I actually think Tsunade would have fit this card best.) In the reverse she is overindulgence, dominance, barrenness and sensual pleasure. 
 

Naruto is no way similar to the Emperor who is all about material wealth, reason and logic, restrained emotions, protection, regulations and unyielding power.  In the reverse its rigidity, miserly-natured, lack of self control, confusion. obstruction, and immaturity. 

Maybe I'll do more of these deconstructions later. They put like 0 effort into these and it shows. 

 

I'm about as far from a "woke liberal" woman as they come without verging on weird and the issue with Bud light is that they forgot who their target audience was--and that's endemic to media as a whole right now. They keep trying to play to the vocal, fringe minority after the majority have just silently stood around letting them say and do whatever they want (because they're scared to be called bigoted for saying "No." ) but the slippery slope is real and they've slide down too far. 

As for the Live Action Remakes, they're essentially copy-pasted versions that can never live up to their originals. They ONLY one that some how managed to be GOOD and likable was the first one they did; Cinderella. beautiful dress, beautiful actress who managed to capture the look and spirit of the animated version. Disney got lazy after that. Beauty and the Beast: Emma Watson can't sing, she refused to wear a dress with a "corset" because muh feminism and frankly I find her to be a kitten actress in general.  :hm: 
Aladdin? What Genie could ever compare to Robin Williams?

Lion King? Failure because hyper realistic lions can't sell emotions the way animated lions can. 

Realistic Flounder/Sebastian, dingy grey underwater, mishmashed characters (If you're going to commit to making Ariel black maybe have her family match. Just a thought.) tweaking song lyrics to be more "modern" (They did this same kitten with "Baby Its Cold outside" ) Even when Ariel OBVOUSLY wants/needs Eric to kiss her are just some of the poor choices that movie made. (And this was literally my fav movie as a kid, touching it was basically heresy on Disney's part.) Awkwafina as scuttle  :arg: 

"woke" writers suck realistic, human emotion and the ability of the audience to draw their own conclusions out of everything. 

The real issue with Marvel isn't their movies, its their comics from the last 10yrs or so which they are now trying to inject into the movies. 

Oddly, Captain Marvel/Carol in comics twenty/15 years ago was likable, then they made her into a kitten and then adapted the kitteny, unlikable version into the movies.  :shifty:

Well thanks for the tarot part and double if you do your analysis of it. I don't get that stuff. But looking at these Naruto tarot compared to others. They seem very minimal and relying on the character art to sell it. It feels like they saw the Sakura had a book (a book containing secrets like the torah or the bible) and decided Hinata needed to have one too. When hers is suppose to have her possibly pregnant to show both motherhood and creation. I spent yesterday listening to a tarot video while doing stuff. The magician is suppose to represent a spark of an idea, high priestess thinking on it, and empress creating/going trough with it. At least that is one interpretation. 

 

As for Kishimoto and Sakura. I answer this somewhere. I don't think Kishi is sexist as he is old fashion or limited by how he perceives female should behave in shounen stories. Kishimoto grew up with Shounen heroine being either docile girl that stand on the side lines of a fight going main "character-kun" (which surprisingly isn't his taste.) Or, spunky girls that may be able to fight but rarely if ever do (which is his type.) It only in the past two decades that girls really work along side the boys and fight as a team...ironically something Kishimoto may have helped start with Naruto.

 

Sakura was a character during the transitionary period fans understood this on some level and gave Kishimoto a pass. Problem is he took that pass to mean he barely had to do anything with her. Which led him to be behind the times by the time he did Samurai 8 as Anna was an archaic character by that point. When she would have been innovative if she was made during the time Kishimoto was reading shounen manga.

 

Extra arcs before the chunin exam would have help in two ways. One, it would have either delayed Hinata's first appearance in the manga so SP wouldn't be able to obsess over her by the start of the anime or she would have been a random village girl therefor never a long lasting character. Two, it would have allowed Kishimoto to explore and experiment which may have improved his writing, part of the problem of Naruto is Yahagi rushing him limited this growth and molded Kishimoto into a person that is only really good at introductory and arc stories.


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Posted 13 June 2023 - 04:24 PM

I don't really know why he did not think that after one big fight he could just ignore sakura having a centred fight on her again afterwards.

I mean get that heroines in jump tended not to fight much at the time and the focus would be more on naruto and sasuke fighting. But I figured he at least do something with her than just the occasional one shot punches that rarely happen.

Like at least have her fight 2 to 4 more times even if it's only for a few chapters, doesn't have to be as long as the sasori fight. Heck it could be once every 50 to 100 chapters, so at least people can be excited or at least excpt her get something rather than nothing at all.

Heck I font think people would of minded I'd she was more of support in a battle, even if it's only healing. Because at least we are seeing her do something and not just told or off screen.

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Posted 13 June 2023 - 04:56 PM

Did I imagine that Kishi was planning to end the series after Pein?


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Posted 13 June 2023 - 07:20 PM

It blows my mind that ss is so loved when if you watch episode 3 sakura just shoves naruto out of the way as she's trying to talk to sasuke 😑and that's what you are trying to tell me is true love

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Posted 13 June 2023 - 07:35 PM

SS makes Edward-Bela look like a loving couple.


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Posted 14 June 2023 - 02:42 AM

SS makes Edward-Bela look like a loving couple.

Idk how i feel about this 😄i couldn't see myself watching beyond the first twilight

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Posted 14 June 2023 - 06:07 AM

I feel that even beyond ignoring Sakura in terms of fights Kishi was just ignoring her in general. That is what the issue is for fans. While you can't downplay Sakura's significance to the plot the fact remains that she disappears from the plot for chapters and chapters at a time too, and while her bonds to Naruto and Sasuke is what arguably holds them together there is not enough focus on that aspect. Kishi focused on Naruto and Sasuke's bond to almost the exclusion of everything else, and that is what hurts the story because you can't revolve a theme on bonds and emotional connection but make that story only about the bond and emotional connection between two people and leave everyone else out as an after thought, that is just contradictory and I've said a million times and I WILL say a million times more, Naruto and Sasuke's bond is not believable or functional as a friendship or anything meaningful if you look at RL friendships or even friendships in other WSJ series. I've said so before but Gaara seems like more of a genuine friend to Naruto because it shows how Naruto's influence impacted him and how it affected and changed him for the better and he even shows gestures showing he considers Naruto his friend when he pulls Naruto's hand towards his own for a handshake. That gets brushed aside for Naruto's so called brotherhood with Sasuke which boils down to Naruto wants Sasuke back home with him BECAUSE HE SAYS SO, and Sasuke clearly did not value friendship or familial bonds with anyone outside of his blood family because avenging them is all that matters and not even Naruto holds that much water by comparison at least at the time. I'm going off tangent here but my point is that if there was focus on Sakura more, even the emotional aspects of it, there wouldn't be this opinion that she is useless I feel. There is too much emphasis on fight scenes and not much else for a FC to be considered strong when that is clearly not the case with a huge example I can think of is the dichotomy between MCU Black Widow and Captain Marvel for instance.


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