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[James S Cassidy]

I hear what you're saying; different words do have different meanings. If you opposed the substance and context of my statements, that'd be one thing and we could definitely have a spirited debate. However, here, the problem is that we appear to agree on the substance (for the most part anyway) as to why NH makes for a bad relationship. In my case, I don't particularly care about the diction in light of the agreement on the actual substance. So if I see an objection to my language, I don't mind pacifying it.  Thus, if I called NH abusive, said everything I've already said word for word and you objected to my use of the word abusive, it wouldn't bother me to use the different word you're recommending. Just as I don't mind doing so here. Whatever will diffuse the minutia fueling the conflict. Everything you've pointed out in regards to the word toxic is not what I meant with my posts.

 

As to analyzer, I engage her for fun and amusement. I don't expect to change her mind on well . . . anything. Now if we get before a crowd of people I'm actually interested in persuading (i.e. a crowd that has not made up their mind on the substance of my points), I'll be a lot more mindful of my word choices and rely a lot more on the tactics I employ in the real world.

 

Actually, it is not you I have a problem with nor is it with word play. It also wouldn't be a problem if....well...

In the past page, I made one post about how SS is toxic and NH is unhealthy and apparently this meant the same thing to some people and some even got upset by saying "NH isn't toxic" which I never said.

Come to think of it, this is my fault. I actually took your post wrong and tried to rewrite it in a certain way so it wasn't so aggressive, but I failed...and I am sorry.
I just want to make it clear on some of my word play so people don't mistake one for the other.

When I say "NH is unhealthy" I don't mean that "Naruto is abusive to Hinata and hates her and purposely treats her bad." That is SS.
NH is just unhealthy in that the relationship is not really a "relationship." Hard to explain...It;s just Naruto doesn't show anything towards Hinata that makes her seem like someone special to him. She is just there. Yet, mention Sasuke or Sakura around him and the dude won't shut up about them That just shows how Naruto is and what he thinks and who is special to him. Especially when he acts like his old self around Sasuke and Sakura and yet acts moody around Hinata.

If Naruto is not happy with Hinata, what is stopping him from divorcing her or cheating on her? Absolutely nothing save for his own morals and that is a sad sad thing.

So sorry for the misunderstanding. That's my bad and I am happy to admit that

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 August 2017 - 02:32 AM.

[Qia]

Firstly, I have no interest in joining this debate but I do want to explain my last post: When I said NH wasn't unhealthy I meant objectively. As in what the author wants us to see. Subjectively, however, when you read the manga you can disagree, which I do. I think that's one of the major things that kept me back from continuing with Burrito next generation once I gave it a little shot. Not only was it boring but...the things that Naruto did, like sending a clone to celebrate his daughter's birthday, really was...sad. And for Hinata to not be a lot more upset than she was presented? There was literally, literally, no reason for Naruto to do that. Yet Burrito is essentially told that he should be more understanding. What? I'm confused...was he the one that was missing all of these important events? (I'm assuming, based on Burrito's accusations to his father before the birthday scene, that he'd done things like that before. Or else why would it come to mind?) 

 

Secondly...EXCUSEEEEEEEEE ME MR CASSIDY, but I feel the need to inform you that there are people out there, such as myself, that pronounce to-mae-toe as to-mah-to. Or I used to, that is. 

[Qia]

 

I'm not sure if I agree with this though, but it may just be your wording, mainly because if something isn't true Objectively, how can we have an opinion that it is otherwise? To do a simple comparison, it'd be like reading a book saying the family's life is happy, but subjectively you say it isn't because there are details that are off suggesting otherwise. I.E., are you making an argument that the writing doesn't line up to what is being shown? That actually is something you could push. I agree with that if that is what you mean, -though-! If the points you point out don't make sense with it when analyzed, it is going to be a weak subjective opinion (Though it will still be an opinion all the same). 

Essentially. 

[T XD]

What we're seeing as we read through the Boruto manga about NH and the family is that they're not much of a well functioning family.

 

Probably, they will turn the tide at some point or near the end to be the good happy family.

Edited by T XD, 23 August 2017 - 10:48 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Actually, it is not you I have a problem with nor is it with word play. It also wouldn't be a problem if....well...

In the past page, I made one post about how SS is toxic and NH is unhealthy and apparently this meant the same thing to some people and some even got upset by saying "NH isn't toxic" which I never said.

Come to think of it, this is my fault. I actually took your post wrong and tried to rewrite it in a certain way so it wasn't so aggressive, but I failed...and I am sorry.
I just want to make it clear on some of my word play so people don't mistake one for the other.

When I say "NH is unhealthy" I don't mean that "Naruto is abusive to Hinata and hates her and purposely treats her bad." That is SS.
NH is just unhealthy in that the relationship is not really a "relationship." Hard to explain...It;s just Naruto doesn't show anything towards Hinata that makes her seem like someone special to him. She is just there. Yet, mention Sasuke or Sakura around him and the dude won't shut up about them That just shows how Naruto is and what he thinks and who is special to him. Especially when he acts like his old self around Sasuke and Sakura and yet acts moody around Hinata.

If Naruto is not happy with Hinata, what is stopping him from divorcing her or cheating on her? Absolutely nothing save for his own morals and that is a sad sad thing.

So sorry for the misunderstanding. That's my bad and I am happy to admit that

 

Cheers, mate! 

 

 

 

As for the threads that don't call on debate...when misinformation is being put on a thread, I call it out. I don't mean for every post to turn into a debate, mind. The forum does spend a -lot- of time lashing out on this, and my response are so forth, regardless of where the misinformation or bashing is, I discuss it. In that one particularly thread I was a bit too mean in my word choice and admitted it. I've no qualms of owning up to that. 

 

When we're at a point where your idea of misinformation is people not agreeing with something we don't even see in the manga or the movie (Naruto loving HInata all along), it goes beyond a desire to "correct people" and just a desire to defend your fandom. And having looked over Remedialaction's pure and unadulterated head canon essays, I see where you get your arguments. Though to your credit, you at least aren't making arguments like "NH was actively developed throughout the Zabuza arc." That's stretching things to the extreme.

 

As to your excuse in regards to this forum spending a lot of time "bashing" and "lashing out", here is my response to this: Lead by example. Show us how it's done. Make some threads of your own that don't consist  of bashing and lashing out. Show us the "right" way to partake in this fandom with your actions as opposed to your words. 

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 23 August 2017 - 07:10 PM.