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#41 jak123

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 06:03 AM

My imput would be that if Naruto and Sasuke's bond was one of the core themes of the series at least MAKE THAT BOND BELIEVABLE. their so called spiritual brotherhood is one of the most idiotic, shoved down your throat of "tell not show" scenarios I have ever read or seen. Honestly, Naruto's relationship with Sasuke is the one most harped on and emphasized about and yet why does it seem all of his relationships with his  other friends and mentors seem so much more stable and believable? naruto and Sasuke's RIVALRY is believable, but not their "hidden in their minds" friendship, because what they have is NOT a friendship. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that that is how you behave around a friend, a best friend even?

Naruto "loved" Sasuke, but Sasuke never seemed to like Naruto. Just like with Sakura.



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 07:34 AM

Hinata in my opinion is like a baby. When people see a baby they reaction is like .... "AWWW.... HOW CUTE!!!". That's the same reaction they do when they see Hinata , the power of Moe is real. She doesn't have flaws in the eyes of her worshiper while in reality she has a flaw , but her fans saw her as this perfect waifus.

Yeah, moe is simply one trait of a character, but if there's NOTHING besides that one trait, but doesn't develop. is not involved in any major events in the story, or anything, than it is NOT an interesting character. There are many moe characters who have actually developed while still retaining their moeness, but Hinatatas was never one of them.
 

 

My imput would be that if Naruto and Sasuke's bond was one of the core themes of the series at least MAKE THAT BOND BELIEVABLE. their so called spiritual brotherhood is one of the most idiotic, shoved down your throat of "tell not show" scenarios I have ever read or seen. Honestly, Naruto's relationship with Sasuke is the one most harped on and emphasized about and yet why does it seem all of his relationships with his  other friends and mentors seem so much more stable and believable? naruto and Sasuke's RIVALRY is believable, but not their "hidden in their minds" friendship, because what they have is NOT a friendship. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that that is how you behave around a friend, a best friend even?

We're expected to believe that, from a single flashback showing kid Naruto and kid Sasuke just glancing at each other in total silence, that they somehow instantly established a "bond" or some sort of "understanding" and to believe they have that bond of "brotherhood" just because we're told to.

All it really further shows is just how mentally immature/naive/stunted Naruto actually (still) is. He believes that just because he himself believes there's a "bond" there, then it must be mutual and can't be broken, which is why he is in constant denial of anyone who tries to tell him in the reality of things and (nearly) breaking it is what lead to crap like his hyperventilating with Ay or his whole "we'll both die" crap with Sasuke. He would rather die taking down Sasuke while still believing that they have that "bond" rather than acknowledge that there never truly was one to begin with.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 08:34 AM

Their bond isn't their friendship, it's the Indra and Ashura thing. He shoehorned that in to make their bond more important, even though it meant that Naruto would have to give in to some retarded destiny which is against the themes of the story. Also even though it meant that Naruto would have to have no reaction to Sasuke trying to kill Sakura, letting Sakura fall into lava, torturing Sakura with genjutsu, getting Sakura pregnant, failing to pay Sakura child support, etc.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:17 PM

Their bond isn't their friendship, it's the Indra and Ashura thing. He shoehorned that in to make their bond more important, even though it meant that Naruto would have to give in to some retarded destiny which is against the themes of the story. Also even though it meant that Naruto would have to have no reaction to Sasuke trying to kill Sakura, letting Sakura fall into lava, torturing Sakura with genjutsu, getting Sakura pregnant, failing to pay Sakura child support, etc.

The reincarnation bit at the end seemed like grasping at some connection to make Naruto and Sasuke relevant to each other after soooo many chapters of having zero interaction. 



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Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:18 AM

The reincarnation bit at the end seemed like grasping at some connection to make Naruto and Sasuke relevant to each other after soooo many chapters of having zero interaction. 

And what interaction they did have...involved Sasuke trying to kill Naruto.


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Posted 21 April 2018 - 05:45 AM

The reincarnation bit at the end seemed like grasping at some connection to make Naruto and Sasuke relevant to each other after soooo many chapters of having zero interaction.


So true. They were supposed to have this unmistakable bond that noone can break because they felt the same pain but people don't realize that they were apart more than they were together which questions how really important was that bond. I know alot of it was for Sakura's promise so he didn't give up and his emotional bond but all honesty he should have wised up and took care of what had to be done to protect his real friends.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:56 PM

the reincarnation was an ass pull to redeem sasuke. it was just bad.



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Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:57 PM

The reincarnation bit at the end seemed like grasping at some connection to make Naruto and Sasuke relevant to each other after soooo many chapters of having zero interaction. 

 

 In spite of the fact that I feel they were just meant to be polar opposites due to all that happened if you ask me, Tricksie. Honestly, it is a shame that the reincarnation bit was done, since it is so forced and not handled well enough regarding Naruto and Sasuke in the end.



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Posted 14 June 2018 - 01:21 AM

 

 In spite of the fact that I feel they were just meant to be polar opposites due to all that happened if you ask me, Tricksie. Honestly, it is a shame that the reincarnation bit was done, since it is so forced and not handled well enough regarding Naruto and Sasuke in the end.

Yeah, but having them being reincarnations of the Sixth Sage's kids was highly unnecessary. It kinda made all their power build up pointless because they got the Sage powers.



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Posted 14 June 2018 - 05:51 PM

That makes Lee appear even greater than before because all his power comes from hard training. Why isn't he the main character? At least he has his own series...


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 06:25 PM

How would you market the change? Easy. Don't mention pairings at all, just change it without mentioning them. Show how the change was a natural progression and not because you were coerced into doing it.

Compare the DmC reboot to the Devil May Cry 5 reveal

Interviewer: "Why the change to the story?"
Me: "We are taking Naruto back to his roots: His meaning. His themes. His trials. His accomplisments. Naruto was the story about a boy who was a reject and shunned, but through the power of will and hardwork he achieves his dreams and overcomes any hardships. Naruto would grow into a man of understanding even if he does not agree with you and your methods. We want Naruto to go back to a time when he stood up to bullies, aimed to prove everyone wrong, and achieve something greater than even he could ever imagine. While others were so busy focusing on what they and the fans wanted him to be...we are going to focus on what Naruto himself wanted to be and what he wanted out of it. Isn't that what being a shonen hero is all about? We want people to read Naruto and say to themselves that if Naruto can do it and overcome it all then so can they. That they shouldn't just give up and settle for whatever outcome that is handed to them. Some fans won't like the changes we make, but I feel they can learn to understand and even appreciate why we made such changes. All these characters are special and amazing and they all have a soul of their own. Why throw such a beautiful thing away because you want to play favorites? Is this going to be perfect? No, nothing can ever be perfect, but that is the beauty part of it. Sometimes perfect does not mean flawless and that is exactly what Naruto is about."

Interveiwer: "So what of the rumors that the pairings might change?"
Me: "You're just going to have to read the story to find out. I will say this, whatever happens it would will be a result of a natural progression of events. Nothing will happen without a reason to it."

Interviewer: "Are you worried this will alienate some of the fanbase?"
Me: "There is always going to be that fear that you will be hated for your work, but I believe that even if people don't agree with your decisions they will at least respect you if you show why such things occur."


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 06:55 PM

Yeah, but having them being reincarnations of the Sixth Sage's kids was highly unnecessary. It kinda made all their power build up pointless because they got the Sage powers.

 

Exactly. I just had it in my fanfic that Naruto and Sasuke are descendants of Ashura and Indra, with Sasuke being more direct with the idea I had being that Madara is his great-grandfather, which explains WHY his chakra reminded Kurama of him.

 

 

How would you market the change? Easy. Don't mention pairings at all, just change it without mentioning them. Show how the change was a natural progression and not because you were coerced into doing it.

Compare the DmC reboot to the Devil May Cry 5 reveal

Interviewer: "Why the change to the story?"
"We are taking Naruto back to his roots: His meaning. His themes. His trials. His accomplisments. Naruto was the story about a boy who was a reject and shunned, but through the power of will and hardwork he achieves his dreams and overcomes any hardships. Naruto would grow into a man of understanding even if he does not agree with you and your methods. We want Naruto to go back to a time when he stood up to bullies, aimed to prove everyone wrong, and achieve something greater than he could ever imagine. While others were so busy focusing on what they and the fans wanted him to be...we are going to focus on what Naruto himself wanted to be and what he wanted out of it. Isn't that what being a shonen hero is all about? We want people to read Naruto and say to themselves that if Naruto can do it and overcome it all then so can they. That they shouldn't just give up and settle for whatever outcome that is handed to them. Some fans won't like the changes we make, but I feel they can learn to understand and even appreciate why we made such changes. All these characters are special and amazing and they all have a soul of their own. Why throw such a beautiful thing away because you want to play favorites? Is this going to be perfect? No, nothing can ever be perfect, but that is the beauty part of it. Sometimes perfect does not mean flawless and that is exactly what Naruto is about."

Interveiwer: "So what of the rumors that the pairings might change?"
Me: "You're just going to have to read the story to find out. I will say this, whatever happens it would will be a result of a natural progression of events. Nothing will happen without a reason to it."

Interviewer: "Are you worried this will alienate some of the fanbase?"
Me: "There is always going to be that fear that you will be hated for your work, but I believe that even if people don't agree with your decisions they will at least respect you if you show why such things occur."

 

Nicely done, James, and a good analogy. Compared to how DmC was received with Devil May Cry 5, it makes perfect sense in the long run to do that kind of thing, and how you did it in that faux interview is perfect :)



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Posted 17 June 2018 - 04:34 AM

How would you market the change? Easy. Don't mention pairings at all, just change it without mentioning them. Show how the change was a natural progression and not because you were coerced into doing it.

Compare the DmC reboot to the Devil May Cry 5 reveal

Interviewer: "Why the change to the story?"
Me: "We are taking Naruto back to his roots: His meaning. His themes. His trials. His accomplisments. Naruto was the story about a boy who was a reject and shunned, but through the power of will and hardwork he achieves his dreams and overcomes any hardships. Naruto would grow into a man of understanding even if he does not agree with you and your methods. We want Naruto to go back to a time when he stood up to bullies, aimed to prove everyone wrong, and achieve something greater than even he could ever imagine. While others were so busy focusing on what they and the fans wanted him to be...we are going to focus on what Naruto himself wanted to be and what he wanted out of it. Isn't that what being a shonen hero is all about? We want people to read Naruto and say to themselves that if Naruto can do it and overcome it all then so can they. That they shouldn't just give up and settle for whatever outcome that is handed to them. Some fans won't like the changes we make, but I feel they can learn to understand and even appreciate why we made such changes. All these characters are special and amazing and they all have a soul of their own. Why throw such a beautiful thing away because you want to play favorites? Is this going to be perfect? No, nothing can ever be perfect, but that is the beauty part of it. Sometimes perfect does not mean flawless and that is exactly what Naruto is about."

Interveiwer: "So what of the rumors that the pairings might change?"
Me: "You're just going to have to read the story to find out. I will say this, whatever happens it would will be a result of a natural progression of events. Nothing will happen without a reason to it."

Interviewer: "Are you worried this will alienate some of the fanbase?"
Me: "There is always going to be that fear that you will be hated for your work, but I believe that even if people don't agree with your decisions they will at least respect you if you show why such things occur."

Though with what many of us are proposing, many would view it as the opposite, taking the original Naruto (say DMC 4) and turning it into something else (DmC)

For the record, I DO like the DmC reboot, but it definitely is a far departure from the roots of the original. NT would have been better off not making such radical changes (design, origins, etc) but Capcom wanted them to stay away from their canon as much as possible. I personally think they wanted to see what NT would do to the gameplay and see if they could take some elements from it, while the story would turn off enough of the hardcore fans that when they came back to their original series they could easily win them back.

I would say just market Team 7. Show them all being badass and give a reason for everyone to cheer them on. Good animation, familiar yet tweaked character designs, possibly something new if you can show it, and things they never saw before but would have made sense to include in Naruto. Whatever "controversial" romance happens, keep it off of any advertising material. Just tell people to come for the fights. Even if the youtube community loses it's collective kitten over it, there will be enough people to actually support the series and consider it a success.



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:40 PM

Though with what many of us are proposing, many would view it as the opposite, taking the original Naruto (say DMC 4) and turning it into something else (DmC)

I disagree especially if you really look at it from where I am standing. The only people that will say that mine is bad would be radical NH fans like Sawyer and Forneverworld only becase Naruto is not with Hinata and the story is not about Hinata anymore. These people didn't read the manga, remember? So how would they know what is a departure from the original series? Meanwhile, the rest of the fandom has let go of Naruto and even Boruto for that matter. They hate it. They think everything that is happening now is a huge departure from the original.

If anything, most fans see what we have now as the "DmC reboot" of the Naruto universe. My take would be like revealing DMC5 at E3. People would be so psyched for it that they will say "THIS is the Naruto that we wanted." Yes, the pro-enders and radical NH fans would hate it, but then I am not doing it for them. They got their canon already so they can just go and enjoy that meanwhile, I will change it so that everyone else can enjoy a proper Naruto story.

Like I tell all the pro-enders and the haters..."Yes. I do know these characters more than even kishimoto himself. You know why? because I don;t settle on fan favorites just so a small group can be happy."

Trust me, if I was given the chance to rewrite the Naruto story....I wouldn't screw it up like they already did. Naruto will be about Naruto and HIS story. Not Hinata's, not Sasuke's.....Naruto's with maybe Sakura being the second focus because she deserves it.

Even the SNS fandom would love it too because they never had a problem with SK or NS, but they had a huge problem with NH and SS


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 06:10 PM

 

Thankfully her knitting skills just null everything XD

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I just noticed the sad Naruto snowman in the left corner.

I guess that's his grave. A sad snowman. That is all that remains of the one we once considered a hero.


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 06:33 PM

I just noticed the sad Naruto snowman in the left corner.

I guess that's his grave. A sad snowman. That is all that remains of the one we once considered a hero.

SYMBOLISM! 



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Posted 27 June 2018 - 05:17 AM

I just noticed the sad Naruto snowman in the left corner.

I guess that's his grave. A sad snowman. That is all that remains of the one we once considered a hero.

The scarf is made from Naruto's and Neji's lifeblood.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 06:18 PM

given to NARDO/ Boruto's dad because of ............... reasons, and because Hinata needed a husband to return her love and satisfy that itch in her pants :zaru: which Naruto would never do so they hade him replaced by Nardo Scumzamaki


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Posted 26 December 2023 - 05:26 PM

Best thing to do is to create a multiverse and say this timeline will be different canon to the boruto timeline that others enjoy if they want to, heck you can say all different kinds of pairings can happen in these timelines or none at all depending on your preference. Heck you could just point out that the anime technically did this with a few road to ninja style timelines. 



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Posted 16 January 2024 - 12:29 PM

I just noticed the sad Naruto snowman in the left corner.
I guess that's his grave. A sad snowman. That is all that remains of the one we once considered a hero.

Just yet another reason the movie was terrible 😆

Edited by totherpage95, 16 January 2024 - 12:31 PM.





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