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Posted 15 July 2018 - 12:14 AM

Yeah, WHAT IS THE BASIS of their relationship? Naruto grew up envying Sasuke's so called talent and popularity, and Sasuke thought Naruto was an annoying pest. they saw the hidden pain in each other but never bothered to even start a conversation about it because again Sasuke shows to give no %&*@s and Naruto was too dead set on beating the stoic bad boy and make himself look better to even try bond with each other. This festers until they graduate the academy then get assigned to team 7, then it becomes a full on rival dynamic and again you don't see anything remotely resembling this hidden brotherhood and best friend bond between them.
 
Then the "you're my best friend!!" card gets played during the Sasuke retrieval arc, and you would actually look back on it and think to yourself, "well that came out of left field". And after that Naruto turns into  an entity with more "Sasuke in his brain" than all of Sasuke's fan girls put together, and becomes this borderline yandere that repeats to himself over and over, "I must bring my sexy boyfriend back, he was brainwashed. I must bring my sexy boyfriend back, he was brainwashed." when it was clear and slapped in his face multiple times Sasuke MADE HIS CHOICE.

 
They are not friends, not only because of  how unbelievable and "told not shown" it is, but Naruto has this delusional idea in his head that Sasuke did not know what he was getting himself into and that he was dragged kicking and screaming at Orochimaru's door and therefore he has to rescue Sasuke. That does not speak to me as a friendship that is a "control freak tendency". Naruto THINKING he knows Sasuke best and what Sasuke's best interests are and when Sasuke tells Naruto to leave him alone Naruto won't have any of it, because Naruto knows Sasuke BEST!!! AND KNOWS WHAT'S BEST FOR HIM!!!!!!! What a healthy friendship that is :lmao:  :roll:
 
And When Naruto said He'll die together with Sasuke at the end of the Kage Summit arc? That was just loaded with, "IF I CAN'T HAVE YOU, NO ONE CAN!!!!!!!!!" implications now doesn't it?  :zaru:
 

The main problem with the Naruto and Sasuke rivalry is how rushed everything is with regards to both. 
 
While Naruto and Sasuke had some respect towards one another, there isn't much to back them up as friends. Naruto basically went out of his way to make Sasuke his rival from the start when they were younger, they never really hung out or knew each other. The pacing of Part 1 also didn't allow much time for growth. Everyone was just slapped on a team and then went their separate ways more or less.
 
On the other hand, they didn't really have good reasons to be rivals either for that matter. While Sasuke was better than Naruto throughout their childhood, Sasuke never actively got in Naruto's face about it and Naruto never really did anything other than annoy Sasuke at times. By Part 2, their actual need to compete with one another is pretty much gone, and it isn't really a clash of ideals either.
 
Say what you will about Sasuke's arc, Kishimoto at least TRIED to show Sasuke develop an opinion on the ninja world, whereas Naruto just blindly went with it.


Uuuh, NOPE, Naruto had an opinion of the ninja world. He HATED it and wanted to change it by stopping global conflict, and in fact he was prophesied to do so. No, who you are talking about, that just blindly continued the ninja system is Nardo Scumzamaki that was made to replace Naruto, and who's sole purpose and achievement is to marry and impregnate Hinata Hyuga-hime-ojou-megami-sama, as all hinatatheists felt "as it should be"  :lmao:  :th_yeah:


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 02:01 AM

Here a question for everyone; what is the bases for Naruto and Sasuke rivalry, and friendship?

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 02:29 AM


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 07:48 PM

Here a question for everyone; what is the bases for Naruto and Sasuke rivalry, and friendship?

At first they were kinda similar to Hanamichi Sakuragi and Kaede Rukawa from Slam Dunk: Dumb vs Smart, Unpopular vs Popular, both hot-headed heroes interested in the girl who would only stare at the cold guy (though Naruto eventually developed genuine feelings for Sakura, and Hanamichi for Haruko Akagi) and of course, the cold guy would not care at first until the hot-headed bothered enough.

Then a bit of acknowledgement came as they could see that they could both push each other further to grow stronger, thus making them both work hard so that they would not fall behind.

But eventually, in Naruto everything kinda got thrown off due to other dramatic plots and whatnot. If you ask me, if you want to see how in my opinion Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry should have developed (and even part of Sakura's development too), just read the Slam Dunk manga.

EDIT: changed the name of the female lead of Slam Dunk. Don't know why I confused it XD

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 15 July 2018 - 07:58 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 07:51 PM

At first they were kinda similar to Hanamichi Sakuragi and Kaede Rukawa from Slam Dunk: Dumb vs Smart, Unpopular vs Popular, both hot-headed heroes interested in the girl who would only stare at the cold guy (though Naruto eventually developed genuine feelings for Sakura, and Hanamichi for Kaoru Akagi) and of course, the cold guy would not care at first until the hot-headed bothered enough.

Then a bit of acknowledgement came as they could see that they could both push each other further to grow stronger, thus making them both work hard so that they would not fall behind.

But eventually, in Naruto everything kinda got thrown off due to other dramatic plots and whatnot. If you ask me, if you want to see how in my opinion Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry should have developed (and even part of Sakura's development too), just read the Slam Dunk manga.

Also didn't the Sakura equivalent get with the Naruto equivalent? It's been awhile. Seems like the Sasuke equivalent didn't care about her like Sasuke didn't care about Sakura.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 07:57 PM

Also didn't the Sakura equivalent get with the Naruto equivalent? It's been awhile. Seems like the Sasuke equivalent didn't care about her like Sasuke didn't care about Sakura.


Well, advising that I will mention Spoilers of the manga...





....Spoilers ahead (sorry, don't know how to use spoiler tags from the phone)....










Although they do not end up together, she does write letters to him at the end and although at one point he paraphrased "Haruko, I love Basketball", making it sound somewhat like a confession, Haruko did blush at this, so it can be safely assumed that they both have feelings for each other. Also, at one point Haruko realized that she had to get over Rukawa since he was only focused on playing basketball and had no interest in romance. So yeah, very similar in many aspects but in Slam Dunk it was handled better.

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 08:00 PM

Well, advising that I will mention Spoilers of the manga...





....Spoilers ahead (sorry, don't know how to use spoiler tags from the phone)....










Although they do not end up together, she does write letters to him at the end and although at one point he paraphrased "Haruko, I love Basketball", making it sound somewhat like a confession, Haruko did blush at this, so it can be safely assumed that they both have feelings for each other. Also, at one point Haruko realized that she had to get over Rukawa since he was only focused on playing basketball and had no interest in romance. So yeah, very similar in many aspects but in Slam Dunk it was handled better.

Oh yeah, that's right. I could have sworn I read the author was going to do a sequel.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:53 PM

Did that interview really include the parenthetical (in the U.S. at least) originally? Because I don't remember that and it's really pathetic if that's the case. The U.S. was basically the only place where they wanted him to be with Hinata at all.

 

It really does sound suspect, doesn't it? Like, the impression I'm getting is that the interviewer wanted to downplay the actual controversy NaruHina caused, making it sound like it was only in the States that it was a major point of contention and the rest of the world accepted it without question.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 10:13 PM

It really does sound suspect, doesn't it? Like, the impression I'm getting is that the interviewer wanted to downplay the actual controversy NaruHina caused, making it sound like it was only in the States that it was a major point of contention and the rest of the world accepted it without question.

As much as it is true the the primary base of support for nH is the states. This is also the only place that had petitions as a reaction to the ending both trying to force-ably change the ending and ban it from the country. Granted both were made by a nH fan with the intention of trolling.

 

So, they have to pretend that this is the only place that nH wasn't completely accepted. When he we know that is almost the opposite. It wasn't liked almost anywhere.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 15 July 2018 - 10:15 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 10:14 PM

 

It really does sound suspect, doesn't it? Like, the impression I'm getting is that the interviewer wanted to downplay the actual controversy NaruHina caused, making it sound like it was only in the States that it was a major point of contention and the rest of the world accepted it without question.

 

As much as it is true the the primary base of support for nH is the states. This is also the only place that had petitions as a reaction to the ending both trying to force-ably change the ending and ban it from the country. Granted both were made by a nH fan with the intention of trolling. So, they have to pretend that this is the only place that nH wasn't completely accepted. When he we know that is almost the opposite. It wasn't liked almost anywhere.

 

What I don't get is. If NH was so popular in the US, then why was all the advertisement still NS? Were the marketing people not doing their jobs? It also is a good example that the ending was changed from NS to NH at the end because of how much NS was marketed together.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 10:20 PM

What I don't get is. If NH was so popular in the US, then why was all the advertisement still NS? Were the marketing people not doing their jobs? It also is a good example that the ending was changed from NS to NH at the end because of how much NS was marketed together.

Examples? I know that still the case in South and Central America because we have seen images of that. Because while SP was happy that nH finally happen. The marketers actually bother to look at data, and realize yes nH fan base "might-be" large but the don't purchase as much as the NS fans do. So, they have to still advertise NS because that's what the paying customer cares about; even while the anime doesn't care about it and only wants to glorify Hinata.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 10:25 PM

Examples? I know that still the case in South and Central America because we have seen images of that. Because while SP was happy that nH finally happen. The marketers actually bother to look at data, and realize yes nH fan base "might-be" large but the don't purchase as much as the NS fans do. So, they have to still advertise NS because that's what the paying customer cares about; even while the anime doesn't care about it and only wants to glorify Hinata.

It was mainly commercials that I would see for the CN.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 10:34 PM

It was mainly commercials that I would see for the CN.

Recently? Also clearly NS? Can you record and show us?

 

Also is the Naruto dub still going in the states? They maybe keeping it up because they may fear some people watching haven't been updated on who ends up with who.

 

Also I just realized that those petitions are probably one of the reason Kishimoto probably soured on the ending so quickly. He was convinced by the editors and SP that the US was the central support for the nH ending. Then they quickly hear about several petitions about banning his IP from the states because he didn't went with NS. Then you have the incredibly low sales of the Last movie tickets...That idiot that made those petitions may have actually damage the very ending he actually supported...that's funny.

 

Side Note: I'm going to wait another day or so before I answer what is the bases for Sasuke, and Naruto friendship and rivalry so people keep giving your opinions.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 15 July 2018 - 11:02 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 11:03 PM

 

 

What I don't get is. If NH was so popular in the US, then why was all the advertisement still NS? Were the marketing people not doing their jobs? It also is a good example that the ending was changed from NS to NH at the end because of how much NS was marketed together.

 

Because it's hard to market something that's not in the work itself. As they're so fond of saying, Naruto wasn't a romance series. It was an action series with Sakura getting a lot more focus than the rest of the cast.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 11:45 PM

Recently? Also clearly NS? Can you record and show us?

 

Also is the Naruto dub still going in the states? They maybe keeping it up because they may fear some people watching haven't been updated on who ends up with who.

 

Also I just realized that those petitions are probably one of the reason Kishimoto probably soured on the ending so quickly. He was convinced by the editors and SP that the US was the central support for the nH ending. Then they quickly hear about several petitions about banning his IP from the states because he didn't went with NS. Then you have the incredibly low sales of the Last movie tickets...That idiot that made those petitions may have actually damage the very ending he actually supported...that's funny.

 

Side Note: I'm going to wait another day or so before I answer what is the bases for Sasuke, and Naruto friendship and rivalry so people keep giving your opinions.

Back when Naruto was airing on it. 



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Posted 26 July 2018 - 06:04 AM

funny you guys were talking about the anime because I just watched this clip: 

This is probably the most specific information I have found about how anime is actually created. What might have been the issue with sp is that the female staff liked ns better but the male staff preferred naruhina. I think that's what Kishimoto said in the interview where he was talking about how his wife thought that sakura was modeled after her and ns was going to happen. Even in that video they show a lot of sakura for the first naruto movie.



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Posted 27 July 2018 - 04:11 AM

lol someone posted the video of sasuke using genjutsu on sakura:https://www.youtube....h?v=GFr-isaX0J8

 

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tv tokyo recommends naruto shippuden episode 500 the perfect day for a wedding.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 27 July 2018 - 12:17 PM

lol someone posted the video of sasuke using genjutsu on sakura:https://www.youtube....h?v=GFr-isaX0J8

 

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tv tokyo recommends naruto shippuden episode 500 the perfect day for a wedding.

 

 

 

 

the comments are also great lool%202.PNG

That right there should have been the final straw for any chance of SS. There are so many ways he could have stopped her and the way he chooses is stabbing her in the heart. What blatant symbolism.



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Posted 27 July 2018 - 03:11 PM

That right there should have been the final straw for any chance of SS. There are so many ways he could have stopped her and the way he chooses is stabbing her in the heart. What blatant symbolism.

 

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Posted 27 July 2018 - 04:02 PM

To be honest here:

 

Masashi shouldn't let Sakura "married" Sasuke after all of this BS. She would had been this:

 

Single, adopted mother of Sarada, knowing that the Uchiha are now frowned upon in the ninja world and took her in since Sasuke's avoiding responsibility or SK happened but something happened whether its drama/tragedy. Kept her surname, Haruno, while Sarada kept the Uchiha name since Sasuke is her father after all. My head canon is basically Sakura was on a secret mission assigned by Kakashi, before he turned the Hokage position to Naruto, to check on Sasuke and his team. Because of certain "circumstances" that I cannot think of at the moment, when Sarada's born, she felt obligated to raise her as her own. Naruto doesn't know the full truth as Sakura keeps it real hidden and use the excuse that she was "pregnant" with Sasuke's kid when in actually, it's Karin. (This goes directly into Gaiden to fill certain holes).

 

I still don't understand why Karin is still around when she still possibly have feelings for Sasuke (and are Team Taka even appeared in the trashy spin-off? They kept ignoring them and Killer Bee). If Taka wasn't around anymore, this idea would've save Sakura in the public's eyes.

 

But no, everything has to be for Hinata's sake! Like she's THAT important. :roll:


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