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[Tsuki Hoshino]

So there will be someone for Naruto to fight AFTER Sasuke? I'm pretty sure the series is going to end whenever those two get their feelings towards one another resolved. 

 Sasuke's in the way of Naruto's dreams and desires whether its for the seat of Hokage, Sakura's heart ( in his mind at least.) whatever his unknown intentions are they are something Naruto WILL NOT agree with. If Naruto does not stand idly by and let Sasuke have his way, Sasuke is going to throw a fit as usual. 

When Sasuke's issues are resolved, Naruto has a clear shot to his own resolution and Naruto the series comes to an end. There isn't going to be a villain after that. Kishimoto already said he wanted to end the series within the next year or so, there isn't time for anything more. 

Especially not with the way he writes. 
 

[Change]

So there will be someone for Naruto to fight AFTER Sasuke? I'm pretty sure the series is going to end whenever those two get their feelings towards one another resolved. 

 Sasuke's in the way of Naruto's dreams and desires whether its for the seat of Hokage, Sakura's heart ( in his mind at least.) whatever his unknown intentions are they are something Naruto WILL NOT agree with. If Naruto does not stand idly by and let Sasuke have his way, Sasuke is going to throw a fit as usual. 

When Sasuke's issues are resolved, Naruto has a clear shot to his own resolution and Naruto the series comes to an end. There isn't going to be a villain after that. Kishimoto already said he wanted to end the series within the next year or so, there isn't time for anything more. 

Especially not with the way he writes. 
 

I told you I was not going to get into a debate, I will not try to argue with you. 

[tekopi]

Katsuyu main body is pictured to be big, I mean REALLY BIG. Don't see how Kishimoto would make her to be trapped with the tree (Well, seeing that even animals are falling under the IT genjutsu).

 

Katsuyu will save the day in the next chapter. 

[Otaru]

No what he said was "I'm going to be Hokage and I don't give a bleeep if you agree nor not. Don't get in my way." A tyrant is someone who will not allow people to speak against them or stand in their way.  In order to change the shinobi system he has to take control of it which would pretty much put him in charge of the world as Ninja's know it.

What do you think he'll do to people who get in his way? Kill them obviously because that's the sort of person Sasuke has become.Usually when someone makes the declaration of "burning everyone and everything" without distinction, we don't consider them good guys, do we?

Just because he DIDN'T do it doesn't negate the fact that he was going to and that he WANTED to do it. 

Sure, lets keep in mind that Sasuke is screwy in the head, easily manipulated, sociopathic, "changes" his mind on a dime ( really, it haven't changed at all, his goal is still vengeance the target and method is just different.) No matter how you want to call it he's not a GOOD guy. 

A bad guy doesn't become a good guy just because he doesn't want the entire world ( and therefore his autonomy) to be destroyed. It just means he doesn't want his own interests to be impeded by it and therefore works to stop it. When the issue is solved he'll go right back to where he was before; trying to get rid of Naruto& co, because what point would there be in a Naruto VS Sasuke fight other wise? 

Him standing in Naruto's way automatically makes him a villain. If you stand in the protagonists way it makes you the antagonist- I.E the villain. 

 

I don't agree with that at all.

Sasuke is a blank page. He's a weak human being, as Itachi said.

He is neither good neither bad.

He's just thorn and dysfunctional.

He is the anti-hero, but not a villain, final or not.

There is a big difference between anti-hero and villain IMO.

 

You know it's not because he will obviously be the last one Naruto will fight that he would be the "final villain".

Kishimoto maybe is not following this scheme.

 

It's true villains in Naruto are often thorns or dysfunctional ones, though. But for Sasuke, it's different because he was initially a friend. Also, he doesn't want to destroy Konoha anymore, he just wants to rule it in his own dysfunctional way. 

 

Kishimoto is not writing Sasuke the same way he's writing villains IMO.

If we would ask Kishimoto himself, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't call Sasuke a villain.

 

Sasuke is just here to make Naruto shine, to be the anti-hero, to oppose Naruto's ideas.

Edited by Otaru, 11 June 2014 - 01:41 AM.

[FireFox]

No what he said was "I'm going to be Hokage and I don't give a bleeep if you agree nor not. Don't get in my way." A tyrant is someone who will not allow people to speak against them or stand in their way.  In order to change the shinobi system he has to take control of it which would pretty much put him in charge of the world as Ninja's know it.

What do you think he'll do to people who get in his way? Kill them obviously because that's the sort of person Sasuke has become.Usually when someone makes the declaration of "burning everyone and everything" without distinction, we don't consider them good guys, do we?

Just because he DIDN'T do it doesn't negate the fact that he was going to and that he WANTED to do it. 

Sure, lets keep in mind that Sasuke is screwy in the head, easily manipulated, sociopathic, "changes" his mind on a dime ( really, it haven't changed at all, his goal is still vengeance the target and method is just different.) No matter how you want to call it he's not a GOOD guy. 

A bad guy doesn't become a good guy just because he doesn't want the entire world ( and therefore his autonomy) to be destroyed. It just means he doesn't want his own interests to be impeded by it and therefore works to stop it. When the issue is solved he'll go right back to where he was before; trying to get rid of Naruto& co, because what point would there be in a Naruto VS Sasuke fight other wise? 

Him standing in Naruto's way automatically makes him a villain. If you stand in the protagonists way it makes you the antagonist- I.E the villain. 

 

 

I don't agree with that at all.

Sasuke is a blank page. He's a weak human being, as Itachi said.

He is neither good neither bad.

He's just thorn and dysfunctional.

He is the anti-hero, but not a villain, final or not.

There is a big difference between anti-hero and villain IMO.

 

You know it's not because he will obviously be the last one Naruto will fight that he would be the "final villain".

Kishimoto maybe is not following this scheme.

 

It's true villains in Naruto are often thorns or dysfunctional ones, though. But for Sasuke, it's different because he was initially a friend. Also, he doesn't want to destroy Konoha anymore, he just wants to rule it in his own dysfunctional way. 

 

Kishimoto is not writing Sasuke the same way he's writing villains IMO.

If we would ask Kishimoto himself, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't call Sasuke a villain.

 

Sasuke is just here to make Naruto shine, to be the anti-hero, to oppose Naruto's ideas.

What @Tsuki Hoshino said is true what Sasuke is trying to pull is a Danzo and that classifies him as a villain its the same with Sasuke , Sasuke in here is classified as both the Antagonist because he goes against the protagonist ideals and as a villain because of the methods he's trying to achieve his goals , just because Kishi doesn't write him exactly as the others doesn't mean he isn't one just because he was a friend doesn't mean he's not a villain prime examples for this are Obito and Madara . Like Tsuki Hoshino said its the methods the way he's going to achieve his goals(taking the liberty of the people to chose , trying to take control over the Shinobi system by force and trying to kill the protagonist to achieve his goal) are considered villainous him being a "black canvas" doesn't exclude him from this .    

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 11 June 2014 - 02:13 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Crap, don't know if I will read the chapter today in the morning. That or late comment from me. I got to wake up early and drive to the airport. Crap...well, still hoping for a good chapter. Sasuke, save them, ok? OK?

[FireFox]

Crap, don't know if I will read the chapter today in the morning. That or late comment from me. I got to wake up early and drive to the airport. Crap...well, still hoping for a good chapter. Sasuke, save them, ok? OK?

Why not ? And you should extend your prediction for the chapter a little bit more come on son do your thing work that  mojo of yours LOL XD.  

[Otaru]

 

What @Tsuki Hoshino said is true what Sasuke is trying to pull is a Danzo and that classifies him as a villain its the same with Sasuke , Sasuke in here is classified as both the Antagonist because he goes against the protagonist ideals and as a villain because of the methods he's trying to achieve his goals , just because Kishi doesn't write him exactly as the others doesn't mean he isn't one just because he was a friend doesn't mean he's not a villain prime examples for this are Obito and Madara . Like Tsuki Hoshino said its the methods the way he's going to achieve his goals(taking the liberty of the people to chose , trying to take control over the Shinobi system by force and trying to kill the protagonist to achieve his goal) are considered villainous him being a "black canvas" doesn't exclude him from this .    

 

I don't think Kishimoto is thinking about Sasuke as a villain.

So I won't think about him as a villain.

[Gravenimage]

I want 680 NOW!

[redrose3443]

I want 680 NOW!

It's your series, read it when you need it.( jk)

Edited by redrose3443, 11 June 2014 - 02:39 AM.

[FireFox]

 

I don't think Kishimoto is thinking about Sasuke as a villain.

So I won't think about him as a villain.

And Its OK if you think like that but this is not really an answer because Kishi said if you see Sasuke as good or bad depends on the reader whether if you see his selfishness as Good or Bad and he said that that remains on the audience itself the readers , but that from Sasuke's perspective  he's grey because Sasuke himself doesn't consider what he's doing as Good or Bad Kishi really didn't had a clear answer on this subject .

 

But I will just ask you this an that will be it : Do you think what Sasuke has done/is doing his actions during the course of this manga and later on Good or Bad and what he has done till now as Good or Bad person ?

[luffyq1]

It's your series, read it when you need it.( jk)

It's my money and I need it now!

[redrose3443]

It's my money and I need it now!

 

[Gojira]

I don't think Kishimoto is thinking about Sasuke as a villain.
So I won't think about him as a villain.

When was the interview where he stated that Sauske is neither good nor eveil? because I think it was made around the time when he and Itachi defeated Kabutomaru and before he met with the edokages and decided to stop all the violence by....tearing down the shinobi system and killing the only person left in the world who cares about him the most.

[Rozette]

It's my money and I need it now!

Pfft, I thought of this as soon as I read what Gravenimage said. XD

[tonga1]

When was the interview where he stated that Sauske is neither good nor eveil? because I think it was made around the time when he and Itachi defeated Kabutomaru and before he met with the edokages and decided to stop all the violence by....tearing down the shinobi system and killing the only person left in the world who cares about him the most.

kishi said: sasuke is "pure".....idk what kitten mean pure

[luffyq1]

kishi said: sasuke is "pure".....idk what kitten mean pure

pure evil 

[narusaku256]

kishi said: sasuke is "pure".....idk what kitten mean pure

With 'Pure' he meant Sasuke is a pure virgin But wait....Karin took that away

[Shadow1275]

And Its OK if you think like that but this is not really an answer because Kishi said if you see Sasuke as good or bad depends on the reader whether if you see his selfishness as Good or Bad and he said that that remains on the audience itself the readers , but that from Sasuke's perspective  he's grey because Sasuke himself doesn't consider what he's doing as Good or Bad Kishi really didn't had a clear answer on this subject .

 

But I will just ask you this an that will be it : Do you think what Sasuke has done/is doing his actions during the course of this manga and later on Good or Bad and what he has done till now as Good or Bad person ?

The other thing to consider to is that he was clearly shown in an evil light during the land of iron arc. Granted that he supposedly "changed" and is now fighting on the light side (which I don't buy for a second). But too much doubt has been cast on whether Sasuke has truly changed from an antagonist to a protagonist which is why I hav to still consider him a villain.

[Nostradamus]

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