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#28881 Phantom_999

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Posted 26 May 2020 - 05:41 PM

No idea actually.


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 10:08 PM

random question but why does itachi say only 3 people had awakened mangekyo sharingan to sasuke if he were to awaken it when 3 already had including madara, shisui and itachi himself?

The third wasn't Shisui at the time it was Madara's brother. You know for the whole brother fighting brother for the eyes thing Itachi was going on about.

 

That was Itachi saying it. So he could have been lying to Sasuke or those are the only ones he knows. Or more likely Kishimoto first limited to that but then expanded it when he focused on the uchiha more and more. Since eventually it apparently became a thing that the uchiha did along with abusing the izangi move to the point they had to come up with a move to punish people for using it.


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 10:28 PM

The third wasn't Shisui at the time it was Madara's brother. You know for the whole brother fighting brother for the eyes thing Itachi was going on about.

 

That was Itachi saying it. So he could have been lying to Sasuke or those are the only ones he knows. Or more likely Kishimoto first limited to that but then expanded it when he focused on the uchiha more and more. Since eventually it apparently became a thing that the uchiha did along with abusing the izangi move to the had to come up with a move to punish people for using it.

 

Or its another retcon. (Honestly I don't care, it was adding more unnecessary plates to the Uchihas anyways).


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Posted 27 May 2020 - 01:37 AM

random question but why does itachi say only 3 people had awakened mangekyo sharingan to sasuke if he were to awaken it when 3 already had including madara, shisui and itachi himself?

Because Kishimoto doesn't understand the concept of continuity.


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Posted 27 May 2020 - 05:46 PM

Because Kishimoto doesn't understand the concept of continuity.


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Posted 28 May 2020 - 03:43 AM

Re-editing some old stuff, going through some notes/story ideas about clones....

 

What if Naruto's clones were an unlimited technique, but with diminishing control and increasing independence?

 

What if Menma wasn't an alternate universe character, but an in-universe result of Naruto coming to the end of his control over his clones?

 

So the thinking was that the more he creates the wilder they get. They are just a little rebellious when he's younger and makes them in huge amounts. But as he gets older and gains power, so do the clones. And they go more rogue each time. 

 

And he realizes that if he wants to continue making these over the course of his life, he'll have to be judicious. So if he's in a bad situation and he has to make one, he knows he's got a small amount of time where he can rely on the clone, before it turns his powers against him. Basically, the power is deteriorating over time, so that the clone is getting more powerful as he ages, but it has taken on the worst characteristics of himself.

 

Eh, just a thought. Would have made some good fics!



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Posted 28 May 2020 - 08:21 AM

Re-editing some old stuff, going through some notes/story ideas about clones....

 

What if Naruto's clones were an unlimited technique, but with diminishing control and increasing independence?

 

What if Menma wasn't an alternate universe character, but an in-universe result of Naruto coming to the end of his control over his clones?

 

So the thinking was that the more he creates the wilder they get. They are just a little rebellious when he's younger and makes them in huge amounts. But as he gets older and gains power, so do the clones. And they go more rogue each time. 

 

And he realizes that if he wants to continue making these over the course of his life, he'll have to be judicious. So if he's in a bad situation and he has to make one, he knows he's got a small amount of time where he can rely on the clone, before it turns his powers against him. Basically, the power is deteriorating over time, so that the clone is getting more powerful as he ages, but it has taken on the worst characteristics of himself.

 

Eh, just a thought. Would have made some good fics!

 

I could see it be interesting.



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Posted 28 May 2020 - 10:42 PM

Also, it makes no sense that Naruto, who was raised as an orphan, would be so unwaiveringly committed to the village, the rookies, his teammates, etc. While Sasuke, who was raised as part of a larger and powerful clan, would be the one to shun everything and go into a solitary life, giving up his goal of resurrecting any part of his clan. ( I don't count his relationship with Sakura/Sarada cause it was clearly something he invested nothing in.)

 

It makes no sense that the orphan wouldn't have to come to grips with those feelings of abandonment, and the family kid wouldn't have to deal with the fact that he alone is letting the rest of his clan (letting the Uchiha die out) down by going it alone. 



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Posted 28 May 2020 - 11:21 PM

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Posted 28 May 2020 - 11:42 PM

Also, it makes no sense that Naruto, who was raised as an orphan, would be so unwavering committed to the village, the rookies, his teammates, etc. While Sasuke, who was raised as part of a larger and powerful clan, would be the one to shun everything and go into a solitary life, giving up his goal of resurrecting any part of his clan. ( I don't count his relationship with Sakura/Sarada cause it was clearly something he invested nothing in.)

 

It makes no sense that the orphan wouldn't have to come to grips with those feelings of abandonment, and the family kid wouldn't have to deal with the fact that he alone is letting the rest of his clan (letting the Uchiha die out) down by going it alone. 

No it does. Naruto is desperate to have the bonds he was denied when he was young. While Sasuke who lost it dwells with that lost, focuses on revenge, and doesn't want to try again with other people. The level they go to are absurd because Kishimoto pushed it to those extremes to justify their final fight.


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 12:04 AM

Re-editing some old stuff, going through some notes/story ideas about clones....

 

What if Naruto's clones were an unlimited technique, but with diminishing control and increasing independence?

 

What if Menma wasn't an alternate universe character, but an in-universe result of Naruto coming to the end of his control over his clones?

 

So the thinking was that the more he creates the wilder they get. They are just a little rebellious when he's younger and makes them in huge amounts. But as he gets older and gains power, so do the clones. And they go more rogue each time. 

 

And he realizes that if he wants to continue making these over the course of his life, he'll have to be judicious. So if he's in a bad situation and he has to make one, he knows he's got a small amount of time where he can rely on the clone, before it turns his powers against him. Basically, the power is deteriorating over time, so that the clone is getting more powerful as he ages, but it has taken on the worst characteristics of himself.

 

Eh, just a thought. Would have made some good fics!

I think this would happen...

 

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Posted 29 May 2020 - 06:42 AM

Re-editing some old stuff, going through some notes/story ideas about clones....

 

What if Naruto's clones were an unlimited technique, but with diminishing control and increasing independence?

 

What if Menma wasn't an alternate universe character, but an in-universe result of Naruto coming to the end of his control over his clones?

 

So the thinking was that the more he creates the wilder they get. They are just a little rebellious when he's younger and makes them in huge amounts. But as he gets older and gains power, so do the clones. And they go more rogue each time. 

 

And he realizes that if he wants to continue making these over the course of his life, he'll have to be judicious. So if he's in a bad situation and he has to make one, he knows he's got a small amount of time where he can rely on the clone, before it turns his powers against him. Basically, the power is deteriorating over time, so that the clone is getting more powerful as he ages, but it has taken on the worst characteristics of himself.

 

Eh, just a thought. Would have made some good fics!

I think I remember reading some fanfics where something like that happens and it gets all Spider-Man Clone Saga or something (Clones believe they're the real one and such), lol.
 


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 05:42 PM

Also, it makes no sense that Naruto, who was raised as an orphan, would be so unwaiveringly committed to the village, the rookies, his teammates, etc. While Sasuke, who was raised as part of a larger and powerful clan, would be the one to shun everything and go into a solitary life, giving up his goal of resurrecting any part of his clan. ( I don't count his relationship with Sakura/Sarada cause it was clearly something he invested nothing in.)

 

It makes no sense that the orphan wouldn't have to come to grips with those feelings of abandonment, and the family kid wouldn't have to deal with the fact that he alone is letting the rest of his clan (letting the Uchiha die out) down by going it alone. 

 

It's something in The Demon Within I want to work out, since I'd have it one big reason why for Naruto that he has a strong commitment to the bonds he makes is due to the anger he had felt of being ostracized by the villagers just because he was Kurama's Jinchuriki, and their hate couldn't allow them to see Naruto as Minato wanted him to be seen as; a hero. Even Hiruzen has that flaw since part of him blames Naruto for his wife's death when Biwako was acting as midwife for Kushina when Naruto was born.

 

It isn't just about the recognition, he also wanted to not let hate and anger consume him deep down inside, even if some elements of that fear came out story-wise in my head for TDW, like how Naruto felt Iruka initially hated him when Mizuki told him he was a Jinchuriki, as well as when Iruka was having his debate with Mizuki and that hate is why he was held back so much even as hard as he tried to graduate from the academy. I wanted to try to show Naruto has a good understanding of things like that, but it's shaped him to be who he is today.

 

In Sasuke's case, it's more that Sasuke would initially find bonds to be a weakness, just because of how his bond to Itachi in his mind seemed to be a farce when Itachi had done what he did (and I retcon it story-wise in TDW that Danzo somehow used Kotoamatsukami on Itachi or maybe Madara somehow since Obito isn't gonna be resurrected as Madara's Darth Vader to his Emperor Palpatine), and that his hate for Itachi and his desire to kill him not really for revenge alone, but to surpass him since the fact Itachi ALWAYS was recognized by their father made Sasuke hate him as much as he admired his big brother.

 

And that sense of jealousy for Sasuke also extended to Naruto and others being stronger than him because his mind was unable to accept, not just for his desire to surpass Itachi but his own insecurities and pettiness, that there is always going to be someone stronger than you. It also doesn't help in my fanfic that Sasuke hardens himself even more than in the canon by siding with the Foundation to gain the resolve needed to first kill Naruto for "denying" him the power he carved from Itachi, and then to leave the Leaf and kill Itachi, plus if anyone is in his way, he'll kill them too, no matter their feelings to him, which I show in the prologue when he's willing to kill Sakura when he realizes she told Naruto about the Curse Mark.

 

But the idea in TDW isn't to go to one extreme over the other, but that the boys' bond comes from similar circumstances, BUT Naruto wants to save Sasuke from that feeling of bitterness he held in his heart as a kid, while Sasuke assumes Naruto's weakness is holding onto connections when he's seen them as weaknesses and how he's hardened his heart. The fact is of Sasuke needing to see there's strength in having connections, not weakness, and Naruto wanting to try to help someone like him due to his sense of empathy without making it seem like he only connects to people who have hard circumstances such as himself.

 

Basically... doing what Kishimoto tried to do but better.







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