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[VanitasDS76491]

I don't think it's possible to make her stronger. Post time skip, everything she did after Sasori really made her seem weaker.
 
She still wasn't over Sasuke and complained even after she promised to help Naruto bring him back during the first team 7 reunion. She did little to nothing against Pain. She gave up on her promise of helping bring Sasuke back in Land of Iron. She still had feelings for him in 540 even though she literally admits he's horrible to her. When he comes back she totally molests him with her eyes. 693 she literally committed character suicide. And even after he STILL LEAVES HER in the leaf village, after he knocks her up, abandons her to live in debt WITH HIS DAUGHTER, AND HASN'T EVEN KISSED HER, SHE IS STILL WAITING LIKE A DOG FOR A PAT ON THE HEAD??????
 
Fukk how pathetic can a person get??? I mean after Sasori, Sakura just becomes a pairing plot device. And I know that a lot of ppl take issue with her lack of fights, but in every regard, especially the pairing aspect where Kishi uses her the most, she ends up sucking it deep.
 
I loved her character before. She needed more fights (Or at least more involvement in fights.) But at least had she gotten over Sasuke she would have been a stronger character. It's why imo 693 really is revolting. It's like watching a suicide.
 

 

 
Sometimes I really wonder whether I should hate Kishimoto for drawing this chapter, or whether I should give him the benefit of the doubt and admire his symbolism. We've seen theory after theory of what happened. Comparing the quality of Boruto and direction with the quality of the War arc and it's direction, I wonder if Kishi was pressured into doing the war arc by SJ bc of Naruto's popularity and it was mainly Ikemoto who did most of it.

Oh trust evil100 will make Sakura so strong it's not funny in his team 7 ki ninja fiction Sakura is through strongest character in the story, she beat freeza. I blame kishi being a kitten writer for sakura's dive. Ya it's like Homer's enemy with Hinata being homer and Sakura being frank grimes when sakura gets punished and hinata gets praised.

[Kagomaru]

Oh trust evil100 will make Sakura so strong it's not funny in his team 7 ki ninja fiction Sakura is through strongest character in the story, she beat freeza. I blame kishi being a kitten writer for sakura's dive. Ya it's like Homer's enemy with Hinata being homer and Sakura being frank grimes when sakura gets punished and hinata gets praised.

And Hinata only gets praise because of being one-dimensional, fillers(seriously, which Otaku pervert came up with that Sailor Hinata crap), headcanons and her boobs.

[sushi.]

And Hinata only gets praise because of being one-dimensional, fillers(seriously, which Otaku pervert came up with that Sailor Hinata crap), headcanons and her boobs.

I think people like that she's an underdog and ship her with Naruto since he's another underdog, but to me that doesn't work because unlike SNS that aspect was never compared in canon. Also she never developed in that sense, I see her as an underdog who never climbed and that's quite sad and the point of being one even.

Edited by sushi., 25 August 2017 - 12:55 AM.

[Kagomaru]

I think people like that she's an underdog and ship her with Naruto since he's another underdog, but to me that doesn't work because unlike SNS that aspect was never compared in canon. Also she never developed in that sense, I see her as an underdog who never climbed and that's quite sad and the point of being one even.

That's kind of what I mean by headcanons.  They're in love with the idea of Hinata at its most basic conceptual level, completely ignoring her lack of development in the actual series and inflating her character in excess when she actually does something slightly useful.

 

Basically, what they love isn't Hinata but their fanfiction version of Hinata. 

[Bail o' Lies]

There might be more changes. I'll let you know unless Bail beats me to it. Another one is the flashback only has Naruto and Sasuke talking, not with other Kages. SNS for the win I guess.

Sorry was busy yesterday, didn't have time to watch it, and I don't feel like putting summary on Analyzer topic. I'll just do a double feature summary next week. As for why they are making Sakura blame herself instead of Salad is what I said in the first episode of this arc; their goal is to soften any of the negativity towards SS that was in the gaiden.

 

I know our vaunted all knowing moral guardian of a fact checker will say I'm lying. But if you recall when the gaiden was coming; every new chapter was making the SS fans more hysterically upset and angry to the point that they apparently sent in a large number of letters threatening that they would not support the series anymore if SS did not happen. Boruto is barely even has a shadow of the viewership anywhere the Naruto once had. They can't afford to piss of their larger of the two remaining fanbases in Japan, which means softening all the negative implications that the gaiden had towards SS.

 

Remember the bench scene from a few weeks ago? That was the start by making the narrative of; "Sakura is perfectly happy waiting years for Sasuke to return to her, if she's happy why do we have any right to complain?" Which they then continued into the laundry scene where Sakura is just fondly thinking of Sasuke, and is able to defend Sasuke to Salad because she loves him so much (ignore the fact that she punched the ground that was a plot point from the gaiden). While in the gaiden she was completely unable to justify SS to Salad, eventually the constant question cause her to lash out and smash the ground in order to stop the question she can't answer. 

 

In this episode what makes a mother look better saying her daughter is foolish or acting saintly by saying all the problems are her fault of being a poor mother?

 

Now normally this is opposite of what Sp does with her, but this falls exactly in line with how they used her in The Last. They used her both times as a prop to say; "Sakura is fine with this pairing and support it, if she supports it why does anyone have the right to complain on her behalf." Then once they are done they will throw her right back to where they think she deserves to be; a rarely used background character. 

[Bail o' Lies]

That's kind of what I mean by headcanons.  They're in love with the idea of Hinata at its most basic conceptual level, completely ignoring her lack of development in the actual series and inflating her character in excess when she actually does something slightly useful.

 

Basically, what they love isn't Hinata but their fanfiction version of Hinata. 

Everyone that likes Hinata are in love with the concept of Hinata. Kishimoto barely did anything with her, and Sp only cared about making her the prefect love interest (not a good character in of herself). Since she has so little character in the manga they had to build her character in their minds. So she becomes very personal for the person because they have molded Hinata into what they want her to be. That's why everyone that likes her are normally very fanatical about her.  Because they have each personally molded her into the perfect girl for themselves. So when we are criticizing Hinata we are also criticizing them.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 August 2017 - 04:15 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

You know what all the bad guys in Naruto are weak cause we should all feel sorry for them.

 

Now to me this is a real bad ass Villian.

 

And even though Anakin has a sympathetic backstory, it isn't shoved down our throats to force us to be sympathetic nor do they try to use it as some way to excuse his actions as Darth Vader. Luke (and Leia probably) know that he turned good at the end, but in the eyes of the rest of the galaxy, he'll forever be known as the "dark lord of the Sith", "the Emperor's right hand", and only be remembered for all the evil he has done.

Not like Obito, where he's "the coolest guy" and such.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And even though Anakin has a sympathetic backstory, it isn't shoved down our throats to force us to be sympathetic nor do they try to use it as some way to excuse his actions as Darth Vader. Luke (and Leia probably) know that he turned good at the end, but in the eyes of the rest of the galaxy, he'll forever be known as the "dark lord of the Sith", "the Emperor's right hand", and only be remembered for all the evil he has done.

Not like Obito, where he's "the coolest guy" and such.

 

And you also feel bad for Anakin where even if he is still guilty of a lot of crap, he at least is sympathetic enough that you realize he is just as much of a victim, which is why he is infinitely better as a villain.

[gamma]

Fukk how pathetic can a person get??? I mean after Sasori, Sakura just becomes a pairing plot device. And I know that a lot of ppl take issue with her lack of fights, but in every regard, especially the pairing aspect where Kishi uses her the most, she ends up sucking it deep.

 

I loved her character before. She needed more fights (Or at least more involvement in fights.) But at least had she gotten over Sasuke she would have been a stronger character. It's why imo 693 really is revolting. It's like watching a suicide.

 

 

 

I found this scene more heartbreaking than pathetic really. She's out there pouring her heart out to him and he responded by stabbing his hand in her chest going "nah". 

 

There's nothing wrong with the fact that she wanted to help Sasuke. It's that she's consistently letting herself become so vulnerable in front of him that makes it pitiful.

 

I would've loved for Sasuke to have openly respected or thanked or apologized to her instead, somewhere during that arc. Never did I imagine that they'd still get together under these circumstances.

[sushi.]

Does anyone know Sasuke's original line in 699? In Japanese there's a huge difference between gomen and sumanakatta, the latter which he used to apologize to Karin.

[ultranx]

screw it, putting sushi on ignore since they want to judge me over a word in a post even when I state I used the word a different way than they think I used it, anyone who's just gonna judge someone over a word in a post on the internet and not actually knowing the person or how they act can screw off as far as I am concerned, because judging someone without knowing anything about them is wrong, and last I checked, I thought sushi knew me as a user on here for years, literally every time I got angry over something in the past and sushi told me to calm down I dropped the topic, I literally have 0 warning points on my account, never earned a warning point in my history on this site, but suddenly years later I'm the kinda person who would call someone a retarded person when I am literally autistic and have said I was for years? nope, not dealing with that bull, ignoring her and analzyer now, and if anyone else tries to belittle me over a single word or phrase in a post on the internet just because a random person gets offended when the vast majority of society outside the internet is not offended by just using the word or phrase, I will put them on ignore too. being offended should not determine if you can say a word or phrase or name of a person. PERIOD.

 

also, anyone who brings up the bold/all caps/underline thing will be put on ignore too, I have done it for years on this site and only when someone angers me by being a jerk, like james judging me as wanking goku for bringing up dragon ball and talking about comic fans being jerks to dragon ball fans and talking why I don't wank superman, or dealing with dbx and the other trolls that used to be here. I literally only do it when angered, you know, like most people online who start to  type something in all caps  and bold when angered?especially on youtube? otherwise I just talk normally and stay calm. I express my feelings through text and make my voice heard, not just type something in response to someone. you act like its a crime to get angry at anyone on this site when they are being a jerk to you, and a crime to stand up for yourself.

 

so yeah, anyone who brings it up to belittle and correct me again will be put on ignore, end of discussion.

 

EDIT: I will put sushi on ignore, but I will keep them on messenger if they wish to apologize, otherwise, they stay on ignore. I am not going to be treated like crap over a way a comment is typed in a thread because someone misinterpreted how I meant it by not reading the whole discussion and just a single comment.

Edited by ultranx, 25 August 2017 - 06:24 PM.

[ultranx]

 NOW. if you'll excuse me I'm gonna browse the internet for stuff I care about over arguing with  someone like sushi nor a prick like analyzer. stuff like this:

or stuff like SONIC THE HEDGEHOG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4UwxxN5v94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQcbQ7moWc

 

or talk to my real life best friends on discord or skype since we prefer that over phone calls, you know, me actually having a life outside the internet and not being keyword "obsessed" over analyzer? so good day to everyone else here not judging someone over a single comment.

[Yyubie]

 

I swear browsing the anti tag felt really good right now , not many cross tagger pro ending fans anymore.

https://www.tumblr.c...i boruto/recent

[Shadow1275]

 

I swear browsing the anti tag felt really good right now , not many cross tagger pro ending fans anymore.

https://www.tumblr.c...i boruto/recent

https://www.thetopte...-canon-couples/

 

I still have no idea how they became canon

[Bail o' Lies]

"This is false, for one, Kishimoto did use her within the plot, she does have character in the manga,"

 

Enough to give her a basic personality but not the heroine of an epic they imagine her to be, and what they have built up in their minds over the years.

 

"no, SP did not make her into the "perfect love interest","

 

Clearly, because a lot of people thinks she an awful love interest and heroine. 

 

"no, people did not build her up in their minds."

 

*looks at the rest of her comment* Sarcasm: Yes clearly everyone stayed completely objective about her and only like her based on factual characterization from the manga.

 

"(If anything, SP flanderized the fainting aspect, which she only does -once- in the manga)."

 

She did it more then once in the manga and they flanderized everyone. The way they flanderized her was focusing solely on her as a potential love interest for Naruto, and abandon everything else about her. But Some people prefer the anime so they used that only exist for Naruto as a bases for their perfect dream girl that only exist to love them.

 

"No, ...very few people are as fanatical about her for any of the reasons you said"

 

Yes clearly the dozens of people that have hysterically screech into mine as well as others ears the second we even question any aspect of Hinata are just figments of our imaginations. Thank you for telling us what reality is. 

 

"no people more or less keep Hinata consistent to her character in the manga?"

 

From what I've seen most of them prefer the anime, and only kept up with the manga so they didn't have to wait as long. So most of her fans based their version of her off the anime, where she exist only for Naruto,

 

"Some people like Hinata for the aesthetics, darker colors, cool looking, comfortable dress wear.  Some like her for personality, shy, but caring, and as mentioned, people like underdogs, or for her creed. Sure, some boys will say they like her for her assets. Some like her for her story, or relating to her struggles, yet having her own strength, while not being overpowered with it."

 

The various aspect people like about her, which led to anticipation of what her story would be. When the pay off they wanted never came due to Kishi indifference, and SP only caring about her as a love interest all they were left with was the build up character in their minds.

 

"I like Hinata, and one of the things I note is how...unintentionally sexist some of this is? You're assuming all Hinata fans are male, for one, which is extremely faulty, and that she has to be an object, which is also faulty and a bit demeaning of the character itself.  She's not in my top five, but she is a good character, but for none of the reasons you put out there."

 

And there again is the personal attachment to Hinata I was talking about thank you for being a demonstration and an example to prove my point. Also how dare you assume sex or gender, you bigot. Also you clearly don't read many of my post since even in the two months you been here I've brought that up a few times. Guy insert themselves in to Naruto because they want to imagine they have a prefect girl friend that worship the ground they walk on. While girls insert themselves into hinata so they can imagine themselves as the secretly beautiful shy girls that only if the boy they like notice her he would fall in love with her and they would be perfectly happy for eternity. Those are based on how I've seen people that consider themselves fans of hers treat the character over the years. So she is an object to both sexes. She's a barely there over-hyped background character that did have potential but the creator didn't care, but was still push to the status of heroine despite not having the charisma to deal with it.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 August 2017 - 05:22 AM.

[Shadow1275]

 

It was pretty well informed. What part is confusing?

 

 

 

How about all of the above for starters

[Bail o' Lies]

I swear browsing the anti tag felt really good right now , not many cross tagger pro ending fans anymore.

https://www.tumblr.c...i boruto/recent

What is with that background? Well Boruto is working better then I imagine it so boring that even the pro enders are finally becoming bored with the series.

[Kagomaru]

 

"This is false, for one, Kishimoto did use her within the plot, she does have character in the manga,"

 

Enough to give her a basic personality but not the heroine of an epic they imagine her to be, and what they have built up in their minds over the years.

 

"no, SP did not make her into the "perfect love interest","

 

Clearly, because a lot of people thinks she an awful love interest and heroine. 

 

"no, people did not build her up in their minds."

 

*looks at the rest of her comment* Sarcasm: Yes clearly everyone stayed completely objective about her and only like her based on factual characterization from the manga.

 

"(If anything, SP flanderized the fainting aspect, which she only does -once- in the manga)."

 

She did it more then once in the manga and they flanderized everyone. The way they flanderized her was focusing solely on her as a potential love interest for Naruto, and abandon everything else about her. But Some people prefer the anime so they used that only exist for Naruto as a bases for their perfect dream girl that only exist to love them.

 

"No, ...very few people are as fanatical about her for any of the reasons you said"

 

Yes clearly the dozens of people that have hysterically screech into mine as well as others ears the second we even question any aspect of Hinata are just figments of our imaginations. Thank you for telling us what reality is. 

 

"no people more or less keep Hinata consistent to her character in the manga?"

 

From what I've seen most of them prefer the anime, and only kept up with the manga so they didn't have to wait as long. So most of her fans based their version of her off the anime, where she exist only for Naruto,

 

"Some people like Hinata for the aesthetics, darker colors, cool looking, comfortable dress wear.  Some like her for personality, shy, but caring, and as mentioned, people like underdogs, or for her creed. Sure, some boys will say they like her for her assets. Some like her for her story, or relating to her struggles, yet having her own strength, while not being overpowered with it."

 

The various aspect people like about her, which led to anticipation of what her story would be. When the pay off they wanted never came due to Kishi indifference, and SP only caring about her as a love interest. all they were left with was the build up character in their minds.

 

"I like Hinata, and one of the things I note is how...unintentionally sexist some of this is? You're assuming all Hinata fans are male, for one, which is extremely faulty, and that she has to be an object, which is also faulty and a bit demeaning of the character itself.  She's not in my top five, but she is a good character, but for none of the reasons you put out there."

 

And there again is the personal attachment to Hinata I was talking about thank you for being a demonstration and an example to prove my point. Also how dare you assume sex or gender, you bigot. Also you clearly don't read many of my post since even in the two months you been here I've brought that up a few times. Guy insert themselves in to Naruto because they want to imagine they have a prefect girl friend that worship the ground they walk on. While girls insert themselves into hinata so they can imagine themselves as the secretly beautiful shy girls that only if the boy they like notice her he would fall in love with her and they would be perfectly happy for eternity. Those are based on how I've seen people that consider themselves fans of hers treat the character over the years. So she is an object to both sexes. She's a barely there over-hyped background character that did have potential but the creator didn't care, but was still push to the status of heroine despite not have the charisma to deal with it.

 

Add to the fact that the NaruHina's fandom attitude as a majority is that they don't seem to give a damn about Naruto's feelings in the equation and only care that Hinata "won".

[T XD]

Does anyone know Sasuke's original line in 699? In Japanese there's a huge difference between gomen and sumanakatta, the latter which he used to apologize to Karin.

I couldn't find the original line, but I remember someone saying there's a specific site for official translation. Maybe someone will reply with the site's name after reading my post.

[Shadow1275]

 

Most of the above is post SS. Sasuke is wandering the world, is socially stunted, and isn't affectionate in many of the ways folk make him out to be. It has nothing to do with how it is canon, though, but makes the dynamic interesting.

 

The beginning parts are Sasuke as an antagonist. Largely ignored is that Sakura was intending to kill Sasuke from these arguments. Also largely ignored is Sasuke's change and the beginning of SS at 699. Which also largely ignored a whole other bunch of informed points that suggest SS throughout the manga. Like 693, and the random guy who went into Sakura's tent but Sakura thought of Sasuke. I mean, it didn't come out of nowhere. 

 

 

t was Jamestheguy, and even then, who cares? As long as they don't get carried away.

Logic + Reason = Accurate Conclusion

 

All Men are Mortal + Socrates is a Man = Socrates is Mortal

 

My statement was that I don't understand How they became canon

 

and each of those panels shows why. Sasuke not interested, never kissed once, Sasuke has no idea who his daughter is, Sasuke hasn't been home since he concieved with Sakura, Sakura doesn't even have a proper photo of him and instead places a Taka photo in between one of her and her daughter, Sakura can't even remember if he wore glasses.... Need I go on?

 

Point me to one other couple in anime just like this one. They make no sense and any reasonable person when given the above facts without being given the information that they are "Canon" would wonder if they were separated, divorced, or arguably that Sarada is actually Karin's daughter.

 

In fact: Here are some google images of couples with similar examples from Naruto

 

 

Sakura feeding Naruto (Post Kakuzu battle, Naruto was recovering from his new move wind style rasenshuriken.)

 

 

Naruto and Hinata (615)

 

 

Naruto and Sakura (Road to Ninja)

 

 

Naruto and Sakura (Post Pain.)

 

 

Naruto and Hinata (The Last.)

 

 

Sakura's special smile at Naruto (When Sasuke told Sakura that Naruto saved her from Gaara, Post time skip first reunion, post LOI arc, etc.)

 

If SasuSaku's foundation is so believeable, go ahead and show me One Panel in the series that matches any of the above images. And no, forehead poking does not count as romantic affection in pretty much all cultures