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[JamminRafiki]

I would like to start of by saying that I'm not a Narusaku, SasuSaku or a NaruHina fan. I don't ship couples and you're probably wondering my someone like me who isn't a NaruSaku fan is here well it's simple, I genuinely don't like NaruHina fans and this place seems to be a NaruHina free zone. Every forum i have been on, no matter what the topic was a NaruHina comes in and it ends up being a NaruHina topic and that annoyed me. Now the other thing which annoys me is when someone says something negative about hinata or NaruHna, no matter how little it is, all you fans start insulting that person by calling him/her dumb, stupid, idiot etc. and to be honest that is just wrong, I have seen it happen quite a few times and then you go on to post unrealistic facts which look so ridiculous to people other than NaruHina fans.

 

Now you're saying that Sakura's confession was fake, yes? How was it fake, because Naruto said 'I hate people who lie to themselves'.... does it end there tho? Did you NaruHina fans not read Chapter 470 where Sakura shouts at him for telling her that she's lying and telling him how she's the only one who knows how she feels or are you all oblivious to that chapter because your all so happy that Naruto told her that she was lying? Did you all skip from 469 to chapter 471? If so I recommend you read chapter 470 where he snaps at him, don't worry I'll post the link underneath when i'm done commenting and judging by your profile picture it's clear that you're oblivious to chapter 470 cause the only thing you seem to see is Naruto telling her that she's lying.

Now Hinata's confession. All you NaruHina fans theory is that when someone tells you they love you you must return their feelings.... do you understand how love works? Mate if that were the case then everyone would be falling in love with each other.... so if I tell Jessica Alba I love her she will return those feelings yeah? :) 
And you're all saying that Hinata jumped in and saved him, yes she loves him that is true but another reasin she did that was because only her and the Hyuuga's could see the fight because of their Byakugan. No one else could see the fight because they were so far away that's why people were asking them questions about the fight and what was happening? You think if Shikamaru, Choji, Sakura, Kiba or Shino could see the fight they wouldn't of jumped in to save him at the same situation?

(http://www.mangastre...470-page-1.html)  Here is the link for Chapter 470 this may be your first time reading it so prepare yourself my dude. 

Edited by JamminRafiki, 26 October 2014 - 01:21 PM.

[8Hogake]

First She have a clan and she's the Heiress aka Hinata. She always hidden behind things like a fence other things but never help Naruto when he truly needs her.  She got killed by Pain aka Nagato.

Edited by 8Hogake, 29 October 2014 - 11:39 AM.

[meri-chan]

Both are well respect Kunoichi, I don't see why we need to compare their actions. "Hinata is Hinata and Sakura is Sakura." Hinata just want to saved her important person I don't see why people here/anywhere will/should be label her action "selfish". [I'm sure everybody remember that not even a single person will step out to the battle field to help Naruto when his was pin down by pain.Fukasaku was kill and shima was about be kill, naruto can't even saved a sinle frog, he was about to be captured by Pain if Hinata didn't step in and helped.]

Don't get me wrong, I love Sakura and Ns, but i don't see why Hinata action is selfish. 😈I admit I hope it was Sakura who saved Naruto instead, but is all in the past.That's why I glad Sakura saved Naruto later on <the kiss alive moment>, but too bad naruto lost consciousness.

Edited by meri-chan, 26 October 2014 - 10:27 PM.

[Iwantbuns]

Both are well respect Kunoichi, I don't see why we need to compare their actions. "Hinata is Hinata and Sakura is Sakura." Hinata just want to saved her important person I don't see why people here/anywhere will/should be label her action "selfish". [I'm sure everybody remember that not even a single person will step out to the battle field to help Naruto when his was pin down by pain.Fukasaku was kill and shima was about be kill, naruto can't even saved a sinle frog, he was about to be captured by Pain if Hinata didn't step in and helped.]

Don't get me wrong, I love Sakura and Ns, but i don't see why Hinata action is selfish. I admit I hope it was Sakura who saved Naruto instead, but is all in the past.That's why I glad Sakura saved Naruto later on <the kiss alive moment>, but too bad naruto lost consciousness.

 

What was selfish was that she chose that moment to confess her feelings, and then promptly die in front of the one she loves. But I don't blame her, people do crazy s**t for people they love xD

[Tengu Fox Uchiha]

Well...

I don't think Hinata can be considered selfish as much as she can be considered naive, she emulates Naruto to a T but lacks many of the life lessons which made him selfless.

In the Pain arc he learned to put morality above his personal emotions and in the war he learned to accept the thougths of other people in his decision making.

Hinata didn't have these lessons, she acts putting her emotions first and without thinking about her own importance towards others which is something Neji berated Naruto for in the moment of his death.

She needs to mature further by learning how to control her emotions and grow aware of her importance towards other people.

We can pin the blame for that behaviour on her being neglected in her childhood as she is still self-consciouss about everything she does.

[Tengu Fox Uchiha]

Please don't forget Hinata did never save Naruto in the Pain Arc.

She knew she had no Chance against Pain but seh still Jumped before Pain to 'Save' nardo. If she Really wanted to Save him, WHY didn't she remove the stabs from Naruto? Even her cute Lion fists Are Capable of that. People justify her Action as utterly selfless behause she 'saved' him. No, she didn't Save him. But yes, naruto Transformed into Seven tailed kyubi behause of her and Saved Himself then. But no again behause Minato saved Naruto from being torned up by Kyubi's chakra.

kitten Auto correct.

Like I said, her mindset was pretty much the same as Naruto before he matured from his fight with Pain and Obito.

Naruto was the kind of person who would brashly throw himself against a much stronger oponent for the sake of protecting those he love like how he did against Gaara for Sakura.

The problem is that Hinata is not Naruto, she doesn't have a massive power up in her sleeve to make up for her ill thought actions.

If Hinata could pull off what she sets herself to then she would be the main heroine but she fails precisely because she isn't.

You guys got to stop mixing intentions for results even though the latter do play a major part when regarding the most likely pairings.

Whenever Sakura moves in to save Sasuke, whenever Naruto moves in to save Sakura, whenever Hinata moves in to save Naruto or whenever Sasuke and Karin move in to save one another there is always a degree of selfishness in their actions but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

We shouldn't berate Hinata for doing what she did when we consider that Naruto was willing to put the fate of the world at risk to protect Sakura and Kakashi.

Both actions came from selfish emotions of love but both were portrayed on a positive way.

If we are going to judge every character for doing something reckless and selfish then we cannot have double standards.

Case in point, what we can do is judge their results for shipping reasons without bashing them for their motivations.

When Sakura fought for Naruto and Sasuke in part I she was motivated by her selfish notion of becoming stronger and relevant instead of a burden yet she succeeded thus her drive was positive.

When she confessed her love for Sasuke she did so for extremely selfish emotions of avoiding rejection and wanting to change him yet she failed and her efforts became a stall mark of delusional one sided emotions with shallow reasoning.

When Hinata intervened on Naruto's fight with Pain, she acted under her selfish emotions of not wanting to lose Naruto. It is a fact that she failed and her near death drove Naruto into his worse rampage ever and despite the rampage proving crucial for his victory there is a reason Naruto never returned her confession.

On the other side of the espectrum we have Karin who couldn't give two kittens for anything other than Sasuke yet she saved him, the Kages and the whole Alliance out of her selfish love for him, hence there is a reason SasuKarin can bounce back at that stab with a huge smirk.

Alas, from NaruSaku we have Naruto placing Sakura above many serious issues such as fighting Kaguya or caring about his own far more important life but this is shown in a positive light because Naruto always pulls off what he sets himself to do.

Edited by Tengu Fox Uchiha, 27 October 2014 - 03:58 PM.

[Anthony]

I don't even... how in the world are you so centered in one's fictional love life?

 

We all are selfish, even you, the OP, are selfish. Get over it.

 

Good god...

[Tengu Fox Uchiha]

I don't even... how in the world are you so centered in one's fictional love life?
 
We all are selfish, even you, the OP, are selfish. Get over it.
 
Good god...

No denying that, I am selfish.

I just don't like how some people point towards Hinata's sacrifice as something negative.

It was important to show her character growth, that she now had the courage to stand up for her beliefs and risk her life for them instead of cowering down and hiding like how she was when the series started.

She still needs to grow further, in a way that she values herself more and don't second doubt her own efforts but at least we can say that her bravery is great.

Edited by Tengu Fox Uchiha, 28 October 2014 - 08:17 AM.

[BlazingDynamo]

I don't even... how in the world are you so centered in one's fictional love life?

 

We all are selfish, even you, the OP, are selfish. Get over it.

 

Good god...

Dude chill out

[Anthony]

Dude chill out

I am relaxed and calm. It's just annoying to see grown-ups act like they've got their kandi (whoever gets the reference is a god) stolen.

 

No denying that, I am selfish.

I just don't like how some people point towards Hinata's sacrifice as something negative.

It was important to show her character growth, that she now had the courage to stand up for her beliefs and risk her life for them instead of cowering down and hiding like how she was when the series started.

She still needs to grow further, in a way that she values herself more and don't second doubt her own efforts but at least we can say that her bravery is great.

Her character growth is almost non-existent. I am not able to write an ample comment about her at the moment and I'm sure KnS mentioned earlier in this thread that he or she wrote one that is quite accurate.

 

Enough arguing, it does no good to any of us at all.

[Iwantbuns]

Hinata is unintentionally selfish. She doesn't realize that her love for Naruto, makes her too focused on Naruto. Her love for him is a far away crush, and she doesn't realize that to love a person you have to know them well. If she interacts with Naruto as a person, rather than fangirl about him, and do things to grab his attention - I could practically compare her to Part 1 fangirl Sakura. A one-dimensional mindset.

 

It's funny how the flaws in both girls lie in their love interest. Because for some reason in manga like this, the love for a guy towers over their whole character. This isn't the case for Naruto and his love for Sakura. His love for him is selfless, and he gets to know her as a person. But he doesn't let his love for Sakura take over his whole character.

 

Gosh I'm gonna be really bummed if NH becomes canon randomly. And if Sakura becomes one of those girls who'll permanently love a guy who won't love her back, not even in the way she wants a guy to love her. I was hoping Sakura would be that one girl to move on from her love interest, because of how her feelings constantly changed throughout the series. Kishi what are you doing...

[Tengu Fox Uchiha]

Well...

Characters change but they will always retain the core of their personalities.

Hinata's growth was in her courage and determination, her motivation was still Naruto but that doesn't change the fact she is now capable of facing death without batting an eyelash instead of hiding behind a corner.

Sakura changed a lot but she is still insecure and clingy deep down which is something she needs Naruto to take care of or else she will fall into a depression.

[BlazingDynamo]

Imagine if both Hinata and Sakura were in their 20s/30s would they still be in love with the boys that showed no interest in them for a while?

[abloublou]

My 2 cents :

Hinata isn't selfish. However her love for Naruto makes zero sense as :

1) Kishi never lets them interact, so her deeming him her trulub comes of as just particularly idiotic, obsessive and a bit crazy. Well to Hinata's defence I could bring the fact that Naruto, by the power of his magical charisma is everyone most precious after having talked to them once. But still NH looks like crap, as Naruto isn't worth that kind of unconditional love.

2) it's based on a scam. Naruto isn't the hard working failure that inspired her anymore, he's a super special kid with a super special bloodline and destiny is on his side.

[Anthony]

She's a child with a bad past. Sure, she is in the main branch but their treatments towards her...

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

What about Neji's death? She never once apologized to Neji mentally before her calm speech to naruto? She even ignored her teammate Kiba being loaded onto the stretcher in the Chuunin Exams. naruto is really a bad influence for her character.