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[TheFirstEvil100]

Yeah, burn it down to the gwound!

If I could I would just do my film idea in which they are all killed by the bad guys that Narudo him self has made.

[Nar123]

 

So NH/SS are controlling the manga now and SP are just following their orders to make money from those tards. I always knew Kishi never wanted this to happen. 

 

 

Where did you take this from?

 

Kishi is the one to blame here, it's his story after all 

[Nostradamus]

 

Where did you take this from?

 

Kishi is the one to blame here, it's his story after all 

Who says it was his story when his old editor was the one that came up with all the ideas for it.

[Legend054]

What I meant was the only reason NH happened was because it seemed to have the largest following of all the other ship. so, Kishi were most likely forced to do it for money. Ultimately, I blame Kishi for allowing this to happen. However, I wouldn't put all the blame on him, as the fans also played a big factor on making this happen.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

If I could I would just do my film idea in which they are all killed by the bad guys that Narudo him self has made.

 

So, what? Boruto turned into a new Pain? 'Cause that's what I think is gonna happen eventually the way things are.

[Nar123]

What I meant was the only reason NH happened was because it seemed to have the largest following of all the other ship. so, Kishi were most likely forced to do it for money. Ultimately, I blame Kishi for allowing this to happen. However, I wouldn't put all the blame on him, as the fans also played a big factor on making this happen.

 

If he was a good author to begin with he wouldn't let himself be fooled due to marketing and fan nonsense.

 

The fandom was and still is toxic as hell...it wouldn't change even if the ending was an acceptable one so I don't really see how you could blame the fandom for anything other than ruining the state of the discussions within the fandom 

 

it sounds like you're trying to take the blame out of Kishi when you say he was forced, no, the last decision comes from him, Naruto ended up like this thanks to him unless there's proof that SP held KIshi at gunpoint so he could finish the story like this

 

 

Who says it was his story when his old editor was the one that came up with all the ideas for it.

 

Technically he is the creator and the author ( even though we know it isn't exactly like that) so ultimately the decision of how the story is going to go ends up with him

Edited by Nar123, 22 July 2015 - 01:18 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

What I meant was the only reason NH happened was because it seemed to have the largest following of all the other ship. so, Kishi were most likely forced to do it for money. Ultimately, I blame Kishi for allowing this to happen. However, I wouldn't put all the blame on him, as the fans also played a big factor on making this happen.

More like it had the loudest following.

[Legend054]

 

If he was a good author to begin with he wouldn't let himself be fooled due to marketing and fan nonsense.

 

The fandom was and still is toxic as hell...it wouldn't change even if the ending was an acceptable one so I don't really see how you could blame the fandom for anything other than ruining the state of the discussions within the fandom 

 

it sounds like you're trying to take the blame out of Kishi when you say he was forced, no, the last decision comes from him, Naruto ended up like this thanks to him unless there's proof that SP held KIshi at gunpoint so he could finish the story like this

 

It’s just like you said the fandom is toxic to the story, so how can you not blame them? They were the ones asking for NH romance and they got it. It probably didn’t matter that much to Kishi who Naruto would end up with as he never intended it to be a love story in the first place. So it simply came down to which ship had the loudest following and that proved to be NH. Kishi did them a favor because without them Naruto most likely wouldn’t be this much popular. SP is to blame as well because of their fanservice that had made a lot of fans become obsessed with NH. Yes I ultimately blame Kishi for fking up his story, but you can’t blame him for everything, he didn’t do it all by himself and we don’t know what he was going through when he was writing the ending.

[Legend054]

More like it had the loudest following.

That's the correct term.

[James S Cassidy]

 

If he was a good author to begin with he wouldn't let himself be fooled due to marketing and fan nonsense.

 

The fandom was and still is toxic as hell...it wouldn't change even if the ending was an acceptable one so I don't really see how you could blame the fandom for anything other than ruining the state of the discussions within the fandom 

 

it sounds like you're trying to take the blame out of Kishi when you say he was forced, no, the last decision comes from him, Naruto ended up like this thanks to him unless there's proof that SP held KIshi at gunpoint so he could finish the story like this

 

 

 

Technically he is the creator and the author ( even though we know it isn't exactly like that) so ultimately the decision of how the story is going to go ends up with him

Well, if you want to be technical, you personally can be blamed for your own disappointment for following this series in the first place. Some fans saw his horrible writing since the beginning and and kind of knew exactly where it was headed. So if you're disappointed, it can be said that it was your choice to follow the series and take it as seriously as you did.

Just saying.

With enough logical reasoning, you can put the blame on anyone beyond Kishimoto...for example....It wasn't Kishimoto's doing or idea to put fillers for the Naruto anime being severely focused on Hinata and her overly sexualized 12-14 year old body being naked in a waterfall. if the fillers is what made Hinata popular, then Kishimoto has no part in her popularity growing. It was the workings of a biased anime studio who had hard ones for their precious Hinata,

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 July 2015 - 02:36 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Well, if you want to be technical, you personally can be blamed for your own disappointment for following this series in the first place. Some fans saw his horrible writing since the beginning and and kind of knew exactly where it was headed. So if you're disappointed, it can be said that it was your choice to follow the series and take it as seriously as you did.

Just saying.

 

Well you're right some fans saw his writing and kind of knew where it was headed. But no one could've predicted this. Even I with my name couldn't predict this train wreck.

[Toy Ninja]

"Sasuke was pretty much a drug for Sakura."

 

 

That explains why she looks like a desperate washed-out drugaddict at the end of gaiden.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Smiling at Naruto after his thumbs up was the last she had a real smile.

[Nami]

It's really cute how he isn't even trying to make the whole Hinata, NH and SS sound positive anymore. He just gave up because he knows everyone else realized what the ending isn't connected to the main plot in any way, so why pretend anymore? 

[Narufan85]

It's really cute how he isn't even trying to make the whole Hinata, NH and SS sound positive anymore. He just gave up because he knows everyone else realized what the ending isn't connected to the main plot in any way, so why pretend anymore? 

 

Yup. Even he's smart enough to realize a lost cause.

[James S Cassidy]

I still think Kishimoto is not entirely to blame. I mean, Kishimoto said that he doesn't own a computer and really knew little of the fanbase outside of maybe local views or letters he got in. So what if people lied to him? Would you believe that maybe the studios lied to Kishimoto about the popularity of his manga and based it all on a lie or that he was forced because of Naruto the Last?

I mean it would explain that he had to do the ending a certain way if Naruto the Last was made without his consent and he had to go by that now.

Kishimoto: "Are you sure people want to see NH and SS?"
Studio P: "Yeah totally, it is what the fans want.
Kishimoto: "Alright...."
*weeks later*
Kishimoto: "You bastards, they hated it."
Studio P: "But look at all the money we made off these pre-ticket sales"

I don't know.

To me there is still a puzzle piece missing. If Kishimoto is happy with how he ended it, why does he keep slandering the couples or slandering his characters? I have never seen a writer do that at all. Even to the characters that are the villains.

JK Rowling felt horrible when she had to kill her characters off because it felt hard to kill off something you create.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 July 2015 - 03:36 PM.

[rocci]

The decision is in his hand. Naruto is practically immortal. He can write whatever he want to write.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I still think Kishimoto is not entirely to blame. I mean, Kishimoto said that he doesn't own a computer and really knew little of the fanbase outside of maybe local views or letters he got in. So what if people lied to him? Would you believe that maybe the studios lied to Kishimoto about the popularity of his manga and based it all on a lie or that he was forced because of Naruto the Last?

I mean it would explain that he had to do the ending a certain way if Naruto the Last was made without his consent and he had to go by that now.

Kishimoto: "Are you sure people want to see NH and SS?"
Studio P: "Yeah totally, it is what the fans want.
Kishimoto: "Alright...."
*weeks later*
Kishimoto: "You bastards, they hated it."
Studio P: "But look at all the money we made off these pre-ticket sales"

I don't know.

To me there is still a puzzle piece missing. If Kishimoto is happy with how he ended it, why does he keep slandering the couples or slandering his characters? I have never seen a writer do that at all. Even to the characters that are the villains.

JK Rowling felt horrible when she had to kill her characters off because it felt hard to kill off something you create.

Your right James however this is why I feel Kishi should have got a computer in the first place and not do what SP say I mean look at other writers who say no to their editors. No I sill won't forgive what he has said to the girls and mainly to as its still wrong to blame them more so after woman are bad if the move on line.

 

However we may never know until Kishi man up or gets some balls to say he was either lied to or just done it for the money, and I hope his friends like Oda tell him what a mistake that he has done with the ending.

 

To me SP need to just but out in what they do and stop thinking they own everything and know how woman should act.

[Atheck]

I think in the long run, Naruto will not stand up to the test of time in the way Dragonball has. It'll be known as the series that ended with one of the most divisive and unpopular endings ever seen in any significantly notable manga series. It was perpetuated so the series could continue filling the pockets of an unprofessional anime studio that chooses to spend more resources on some worthless oppai caricature than giving the actual series, plot, and characters the effort they deserved.  

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think in the long run, Naruto will not stand up to the test of time in the way Dragonball has. It'll be known as the series that ended with one of the most divisive and unpopular endings ever seen in any significantly notable manga series. It was perpetuated so the series could continue filling the pockets of an unprofessional anime studio that chooses to spend more resources on some worthless oppai caricature than giving the actual series, plot, and characters the effort they deserved.  

Dragon Ball can forever reuse and it won't grow old to these fans. Naruto however can and its only ok to go away and come back in 5 years or so with a movie. It doesn't have a title to bring more products and an actual sequel like Super. DB is far above Naruto.