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#3501 Nar123

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:33 AM

I didn't see it that way. I still think that the main problem here are NH & SS. I didn't care what happened before the pairings became canon, as long as the manga ended properly. It all went down the drain when SS and NH became canon, otherwise a lot of people wouldn't be complaining about it. Yes Naruto had some flaws just like any other anime there is, but at the end of day what really ruined this anime was NH.

 

Well I guess that's your view

 

Naruto is a shounen so romance should play a small part (one of the reasons the last was horrible was because the opposite happened), so in my mind failing on the romance subplot was only the inkling of what was wrong in the story in general


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:34 AM

Not only that but everything just didn't feel genuine anymore. It's like a crazy consequence or rather destiny truly worked its way.

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:34 AM

I didn't see it that way. I still think that the main problem here are NH & SS. I didn't care what happened before the pairings became canon, as long as the manga ended properly. It all went down the drain when SS and NH became canon, otherwise a lot of people wouldn't be complaining about it. Yes Naruto had some flaws just like any other anime there is, but at the end of day what really ruined this anime was NH.

Honestly, a lot of people were already sick of Naruto before the ending because of the war arc and the tons of problems with it. The ending was far worse than we could have possibly imagined, and the pairings were part of the problem, but if we kept everything the same and just had NaruSaku happened the ending would still suck.

 

I guarantee if we had got The Last: NaruSaku version that would have pleased absolutely no one at all.


 


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:38 AM

Honestly, a lot of people were already sick of Naruto before the ending because of the war arc and the tons of problems with it. The ending was far worse than we could have possibly imagined, and the pairings were part of the problem, but if we kept everything the same and just had NaruSaku happened the ending would still suck.

 

I guarantee if we had got The Last: NaruSaku version that would have pleased absolutely no one at all.

It's really opinionated whether you liked Naruto or not before it ended. I sure as hell did because I was always big fan of Naruto until. I always looked up to Naruto, so not even once it crossed my mind of dropping the series until the ending obviously.


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:39 AM

Honestly, a lot of people were already sick of Naruto before the ending because of the war arc and the tons of problems with it. The ending was far worse than we could have possibly imagined, and the pairings were part of the problem, but if we kept everything the same and just had NaruSaku happened the ending would still suck.

 

I guarantee if we had got The Last: NaruSaku version that would have pleased absolutely no one at all.

 

It would suck less beause the romantic plotline would at least be resolved nicely

but honeslty, when Kishi announced only 5 chapters till the end in the 695th edition I already knew the ending was going to be a rushed and badly done one

 

 

and yeah, I wouldn't like a NS version of the last either...I could even completely come to dislike the pairing if that happened


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:45 AM

Although I probably wouldnt be in favor of it The Last: Sakura version would at least make sense because of all those years of development they had together unlike the asspulled NH moments. I don't mind a little romance in naruto as long it's with NS or shiktema and minakushi


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:57 AM

Quick question. How many copies of the previous volumes were sold? I'm interested in the 30's 40's and 50's.

Was it higher or lower than the recent ones?


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:04 AM

 

Ugh...I don't think comparing Naruto power ups to DBZ power ups work at all

 

I mean, I understand comparing the super saiyan mode with the kyuubi mode, but kaio-ken with sage mode? I don't think they are that much alike, specially because the kaioken is awfully limited and damges the user body while the sage mode's limit is not that much of a bother ( just summon a clone and destroy it to recharge natural chakra ) 

 

I also don't understand why naruto couldn't learn a jutsu with handseal, it would help to make his fights more interesting than clone spam + rasengan spam, I think he should've learned a couple of wind jutsus in the timeskip and then Kishi could upgrade then further in the storyline with stronger versions, etc 

 

I also agree Naruto could've ans should've learned a couple of fuuinjutsu , it would tie in with his Uzumaki heritage and some of these jutsus could be his ultimate trump card if Kishi had some kind of creativity sense

 

Uzumaki? Who are they? I thought the only clan to ever exist in all of history was the Uchiha Clan. :shock:
 

 

Nah, I don't think so. 

Dragon Ball's 'ki' works in a different way than naruto's chakra even though they are the same thing "life essence".

 

Also DB's battle were much more physical than Naruto's reliance on spell like jutsus and etc... so due to the fast paced dynamic we didn't had much variety to the battles other than each character different fighting performances and style, in DB most of the special moves were just special ways to let the ki out in ki blasts...hell even villains like Buu and Cell had the kamehameha in their arsenal

( and even them Goku didn't had only the kamehameha, he also had the spirit bomb, the dragon god fist, instant transmission) 

 

I think that for the world of Naruto, Naruto's techniques were awfully limited and boring after a time ( although powerful) , the Naruto world had a lot more variety than DB's one so it should be a given that the MC shouldn't have to rely only on two techs alone and the lame combinations between them

 

 

 

 

While drinking alcohol, eating instant ramen, fooling around on his new macbook and ignoring his family lol

For "the world's more unpredictable ninja", he sure seemed to have an extremely predictable fighting style not too long into the series, and especially in part two, which is another reason why I find it very stupid that Akatsuki couldn't own him easily considering they were supposedly keeping an eye on each of the Biju/Jinchuriki. Even after getting Sage Mode, there really wasn't much to it in terms of Naruto's fighting...just making him much physically stronger and such, but he otherwise fought the same as he always did, even "defeating Nagato" with the usual Kage Bunshin + Henge + Rasengan combo...


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:06 AM

Although I probably wouldnt be in favor of it The Last: Sakura version would at least make sense because of all those years of development they had together unlike the asspulled NH moments. I don't mind a little romance in naruto as long it's with NS or shiktema and minakushi

 

Yeah but a whole movie about romance coupled with cringeworthy scenes and assassinations of characters so a pairing could manifest itself?

 

Thanks but no thanks

 

NS would be the best as the subplot of a movie or storyline,but as main story of a shounen? It wouldn't work out just like NH didn't


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:12 AM

 

Yeah but a whole movie about romance coupled with cringeworthy scenes and assassinations of characters so a pairing could manifest itself?

 

Thanks but no thanks

 

NS would be the best as the subplot of a movie or storyline,but as main story of a shounen? It wouldn't work out just like NH didn't

Exactly. 


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:34 AM

It might be for the best if he avoids romance in his new manga. Not like he would be the first mangaka to do so

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 04:55 AM

He should also avoid females.

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:07 AM

he should just die.



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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:20 AM

He should also avoid females.

That or do only one female though I am still skeptical on it. It's like they're only good for one arc. Continuous, they're bad.

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:34 AM

he should just die.


Er, that's a bit too far don't you think?

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:41 AM

Er, that's a bit too far don't you think?

I agree with star, the way he treat sakura is beyond terrible, that's just prove how low female in his eye nothing more than a love slave pairing fodder and should stay in kitchen. The worst part is he indirectly implant this nightmare in my head and i might not be able to forget for the rest of my life.


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:28 AM

Naruto being weak at the start of part 2. Also creates mess. When Naruto can master stuff, that it takes years and years (and not even completing it even then) for others to master it. Yet naruto does it in week/s.

 

At the start of part 2. Naruto should have had more speed, agility, one hand rasengan. Some wind jutsy, understanding of elemental training, and already started to learn sm.

 

It would have been more fluid. And it will not make it asspull!

 

Seriosly. Jiraiya didn't even test Naruto's afinity. It's like he was. You don't need to be strong yourself, as long as you can use Kurama chakra that makes you op. I read a fanfic recently. Where Naruto questions exatly this. While he is ok with training for Kurama's chakra usage. He didn't want to depand on it. And want it to become strong on his own. With Kurama only to be used as the last resort.

 

It's sad that normal people on fanfiction have more understanding of Narutoverse that Kishi never had!


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:27 AM

Naruto being weak at the start of part 2. Also creates mess. When Naruto can master stuff, that it takes years and years (and not even completing it even then) for others to master it. Yet naruto does it in week/s.

 

At the start of part 2. Naruto should have had more speed, agility, one hand rasengan. Some wind jutsy, understanding of elemental training, and already started to learn sm.

 

It would have been more fluid. And it will not make it asspull!

 

Seriosly. Jiraiya didn't even test Naruto's afinity. It's like he was. You don't need to be strong yourself, as long as you can use Kurama chakra that makes you op. I read a fanfic recently. Where Naruto questions exatly this. While he is ok with training for Kurama's chakra usage. He didn't want to depand on it. And want it to become strong on his own. With Kurama only to be used as the last resort.

 

It's sad that normal people on fanfiction have more understanding of Narutoverse that Kishi never had!

And as I keep ranting at times, that's exactly one of the biggest problems with part two (Naruto being so weak and apparently barely doing anything with Jiraiya), and it also shows how it seems like almost all of Naruto's "senseis" that he's had have...well..not been very good.

As Naruto thought of with Sasuke, Iruka was much more of a brother than a sensei, so while not a "bad" sensei, he didn't really actually teach Naruto much that we've seen.

Kakashi barely taught him jack aside from the "secret" of the Kage Bunshin (which you'd think even someone as dim as Naruto would have noticed LONG ago considering just how freaking much he used it AND with the number he would make) and the very basics of elemental training (which, again, Jiraiya should have already done)

Jiraiya, if the Summoning and Rasengan training were any indication, has shown to be the type of sensei to simply teach the basics, then just leaves the student(s) to figure out the rest themselves, and if that doesn't work, throw them into an extreme situation (literally, in Naruto's case) to force them to get it done or die. He was also probably spoiled a bit as a sensei due to Minato being such a "genius" at Naruto's age, so he probably never had to be that attentive to Minato, who probably understood and got things done relatively quickly.

You'd think that, after the horribly failed attempt at releasing more of Kurama's chakra that nearly got him killed, Jiraiya would have actually gotten serious in training Naruto in much more practical things. Heck, you'd think that he would have been smart enough to see that only releasing more of Kurama's chakra would not have done nearly as much as he thought considering the group he was supposed to be preparing Naruto to face were all S-Rank shinobi specifically chosen for being useful against Biju/Jinchuriki, even if they could control the chakra (Itachi and Kisame being perfect for countering Naruto with Kurama thanks to the Mangekyo Sharingan and Samehada). And even then, Naruto would have gotten easily owned by a shapeshift clone of Itachi with, at max, only 30% of the real Itachi's power were it not for Kakashi and Sakura being there, and even then, they barely won. That should have been a huge wake-up call.

Ironically, the only good sensei Naruto had was Fukasaku, a Summon, because he actually paid close and serious attention to Naruto's Sage Mode training. If it had been Jiraiya, Naruto would be a toad statue right now (though that would probably be a preferable fate in hindsight, lol).


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:03 PM

I'm still laughing at how Naruto's real spouse King Sasuke rescues his fair maiden.


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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:13 PM

And as I keep ranting at times, that's exactly one of the biggest problems with part two (Naruto being so weak and apparently barely doing anything with Jiraiya), and it also shows how it seems like almost all of Naruto's "senseis" that he's had have...well..not been very good.

As Naruto thought of with Sasuke, Iruka was much more of a brother than a sensei, so while not a "bad" sensei, he didn't really actually teach Naruto much that we've seen.

Kakashi barely taught him jack aside from the "secret" of the Kage Bunshin (which you'd think even someone as dim as Naruto would have noticed LONG ago considering just how freaking much he used it AND with the number he would make) and the very basics of elemental training (which, again, Jiraiya should have already done)

Jiraiya, if the Summoning and Rasengan training were any indication, has shown to be the type of sensei to simply teach the basics, then just leaves the student(s) to figure out the rest themselves, and if that doesn't work, throw them into an extreme situation (literally, in Naruto's case) to force them to get it done or die. He was also probably spoiled a bit as a sensei due to Minato being such a "genius" at Naruto's age, so he probably never had to be that attentive to Minato, who probably understood and got things done relatively quickly.

You'd think that, after the horribly failed attempt at releasing more of Kurama's chakra that nearly got him killed, Jiraiya would have actually gotten serious in training Naruto in much more practical things. Heck, you'd think that he would have been smart enough to see that only releasing more of Kurama's chakra would not have done nearly as much as he thought considering the group he was supposed to be preparing Naruto to face were all S-Rank shinobi specifically chosen for being useful against Biju/Jinchuriki, even if they could control the chakra (Itachi and Kisame being perfect for countering Naruto with Kurama thanks to the Mangekyo Sharingan and Samehada). And even then, Naruto would have gotten easily owned by a shapeshift clone of Itachi with, at max, only 30% of the real Itachi's power were it not for Kakashi and Sakura being there, and even then, they barely won. That should have been a huge wake-up call.

Ironically, the only good sensei Naruto had was Fukasaku, a Summon, because he actually paid close and serious attention to Naruto's Sage Mode training. If it had been Jiraiya, Naruto would be a toad statue right now (though that would probably be a preferable fate in hindsight, lol).

 

And as I said to you in our conversations, dude, it felt like Jiraiya just gave Naruto power so he wouldn't have to teach him the basics. Another good sensei for Naruto was Iruka, since he may have worried about him, but he believed in Naruto more than anyone else at times. He may not have been a teacher like Kakashi, Jiraiya, Fukasaku, or Killer Bee, but Iruka still gave Naruto something precious.


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