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[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Wsj & sp.

 

How the heck did they got royalties to do Starwars?

[NeonRanger]

It wasn't even just excuses being done, but outright insulting not only the disappointed NS fans (which was much bigger than those around Kishi claimed to him), but also the neutral/logical fans like myself who could clearly see how NS was developing while NH was non-existent by comparison, by saying people like me "read the manga wrong". Clearly, Kishi and the NH fandom have no clue what a red herring even is...

"something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting"

...the amount of development and parallels NS had gotten was far from a mere "distraction", much less "misleading". If anything, it's what those few (selfish) NH moments were.
 

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Rocci said that Sakura is not as popular as Hinata. NH and SS are the bigger fandoms, but Sakura has the more hate fandom wide compared to people who deserve more hate, like Obito and Danzo. They don't even have the amount of hate compared to Sakura. Kishi made Sakura unlikable from the start, buy I personally feel that the fandom itself is why the ending happen and why Sakura is the most trashed on character. NS could have happen if the fandom actually opened up to Sakura as a faulty character instead of heading straight to Hinata. Kishi mentioned in his interview how he is suprise on Hinatas popularity when she hadn't done much. I felt that the five kage arc was when he have up on Sakura becuse of the wide hate, and just reduced her to pairing fodder.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I find it very suspicious that the Sakura hate escalated when the assistant walked on to Kishi's staff 2010.

[Yyubie]

I heard [his assistance or editor] show him a voting / poll to kishi about whos the best heroine or who should be heroine and the result of that poll is hinata no one knows if that poll is legit or lies.

And after that is when kishi said in his interview 'You said hinata, hinata i said Sakura!' thing .... hes mad , but he still stand strong to sakura that day for sure.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I heard [his assistance or editor] show him a voting / poll to kishi about whos the best heroine or who should be heroine and the result of that poll is hinata no one knows if that poll is legit or lies.

And after that is when kishi said in his interview 'You said hinata, hinata i said Sakura!' thing .... hes mad , but he still stand strong to sakura that day for sure.

Sure feels like a conspiracy...

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

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Rocci said that Sakura is not as popular as Hinata. NH and SS are the bigger fandoms, but Sakura has the more hate fandom wide compared to people who deserve more hate, like Obito and Danzo. They don't even have the amount of hate compared to Sakura. Kishi made Sakura unlikable from the start, buy I personally feel that the fandom itself is why the ending happen and why Sakura is the most trashed on character. NS could have happen if the fandom actually opened up to Sakura as a faulty character instead of heading straight to Hinata. Kishi mentioned in his interview how he is suprise on Hinatas popularity when she hadn't done much. I felt that the five kage arc was when he have up on Sakura becuse of the wide hate, and just reduced her to pairing fodder.

Which further shows that much of that fandom is either your stereotypical otaku fanboys who care more about BEWBS than personality and/or conservative-minded and/or misogynist idiots who care more about the woman being the submissive, obedient, silent, "in-the-kitchen" housewife from the 50s.

[rocci]

 
How the heck did they got royalties to do Starwars?

What I mean is the expansion universe.

Naruto will never reach sw popularity.
The right comparison should be dragon ball.

[Emb3rs]

Exactly, this isn't about parings,this is about something I've invested in that is clearly insulting my intelligence. I didn't even care much for NS until shippuden when the dynamic was constantly focused on and developed while Hinata was barely even there. How can we have read that wrong when he didn't write anything for Hinata to even suggest she was in the same stratosphere as Sakura?

So much of NS was built in shippuden and even though he denies the fact that they would make a great pairing its obvious he was comfortable writing them together, even if he claims it was only a red herring. I just hate how much of the end of this series was based on romance even though this isnt a romance. He should have looked at how others, like Oda, were handling shipping wars. Its ok if you want to tease here and there but ultimately if you are going pair someone make sure to develop them, make them a possibility, and try not to go overboard and forget what the main genre of your manga is.

[Emb3rs]

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Rocci said that Sakura is not as popular as Hinata. NH and SS are the bigger fandoms, but Sakura has the more hate fandom wide compared to people who deserve more hate, like Obito and Danzo. They don't even have the amount of hate compared to Sakura. Kishi made Sakura unlikable from the start, buy I personally feel that the fandom itself is why the ending happen and why Sakura is the most trashed on character. NS could have happen if the fandom actually opened up to Sakura as a faulty character instead of heading straight to Hinata. Kishi mentioned in his interview how he is suprise on Hinatas popularity when she hadn't done much. I felt that the five kage arc was when he have up on Sakura becuse of the wide hate, and just reduced her to pairing fodder.

I dont think Hinata had a big popularity, definitely not before shippuden anyway, but despite how much hate Sakura got NS shippers and even non shippers were quick to point out the flaws of where Kishi was heading. I wouldnt take into consideration anything Kishi says btw, he claims he knows nothing of what was happening, in terms of reactions and ships, while he was writing due to how long he spent in his office writing the manga, the next interview he will claim something else or just avoid answers and tell us about what is to come of the next gen. 

[rocci]

@ember
Actually NS already develop since part 1. To be precise since chapter 3.
It only in part 2(shippuden) people start noticing NS because sakura start noticing naruto or in my own word "sakura to naruto" moment.

Romance is not the plot but it's a subplot that move character like sakura and naruto. The day kishi decide to put the oneside love triangle is the day romance matter. And that day is chapter 3.

Based on the past weekly shonen jump popularity poll, Hinata is more popular than sakura. Ex : In the first poll sakura is place 4th and in the second poll Hinata place ahead of sakura making Hinata the most popular female character in naruto at that time. So in part one, Hinata is popular.

[starlitestarbrite]

waw since NS started developing in part 1, and by shippuden was freaking setting sail it seems! it sounds like the sakura haters never gave sakura a chance! but kishi proved them right by giving THEM what they "wanted" instead of the FANS'. in the end he pissed off the fans, and even the haters! all the fans' now are new fans who don't know better, and will sadly never know the REAL naruto, and sakura we knew and loved cause they're all "forced fans'" brainwashed by SP, and kishi's crapruto series!

[Yyubie]

I don't understand why people hate Sakura, i think she is the most realistic girl in naruto universe, i mean you can find a girl in the real world with a same personality like her in real world.

Unlike Hinata i for one never meet a girl like her in real life, where can you find a girl with nice body with submissive personality like her in real life?? only in dream or game or manga.

 

Just looking at that you should know that more than 70% people in the world prefer and like to lived in a dream world.

[rocci]

I don't understand why people hate Sakura, i think she is the most realistic girl in naruto universe, i mean you can find a girl in the real world with a same personality like her in real world.
Unlike Hinata i for one never meet a girl like her in real life, where can you find a girl with nice body with submissive personality like her in real life?? only in dream or game or manga.
 
Just looking at that you should know that more than 70% people in the world prefer and like to lived in a dream world.

Sakura like a kitten, fangirl, and girl who friendzone you. And she's useless. So she's unlikeable since the start.

I have seen a Hinata like girl, Eventhought she's not a shy girl.

But I agree, that sakura is the normal girl character. To be point she's a shoujo character.

Edited by rocci, 23 December 2015 - 11:42 PM.

[MagicalNgro]

I don't understand why people hate Sakura, i think she is the most realistic girl in naruto universe, i mean you can find a girl in the real world with a same personality like her in real world.
Unlike Hinata i for one never meet a girl like her in real life, where can you find a girl with nice body with submissive personality like her in real life?? only in dream or game or manga.
 
Just looking at that you should know that more than 70% people in the world prefer and like to lived in a dream world.

Well there was plenty of reasons to hate Sakura at the beginning. She only had basic skills and was a horrible to naruto. But the beauty in her character is that she learned from her mistakes and flaws. She appreciated naruto and worked hard to be a better support for him in battle and a friend.

It just sucks all that work went out the window in the end and she was basically the same sasuke fan girl she was at the beginning and her happy ending is being the Uchiha broodmare

[rocci]

Well there was plenty of reasons to hate Sakura at the beginning. She only had basic skills and was a horrible to naruto. But the beauty in her character is that she learned from her mistakes and flaws. She appreciated naruto and worked hard to be a better support for him in battle and a friend.

It just sucks all that work went out the window in the end and she was basically the same sasuke fan girl she was at the beginning and her happy ending is being the Uchiha broodmare

I thaink that's what make people said that sakura has potential.
She's ordinary character with flaws.
I think it's rare to have that kind of heroine in shonen manga.

I think that's what kishi aim to achive with this character.
Too bad kishi can't write.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

What I mean is the expansion universe.

Naruto will never reach sw popularity.
The right comparison should be dragon ball.

 

And DB is making nearly 4 times what Naruto is getting. That tells you how much people enjoy the story and quality over trash.

[Nostradamus]

 

And DB is making nearly 4 times what Naruto is getting. That tells you how much people enjoy the story and quality over trash.

And this is 20 years after DB ended.

[rocci]

 
And DB is making nearly 4 times what Naruto is getting. That tells you how much people enjoy the story and quality over trash.

Yes, and there's still people that enjoy trash like naruto.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Yes, and there's still people that enjoy trash like naruto.

 

But not giving their money for support is what making Naruto franchise flop big time. This manga must surpassed the Naruto gaiden, which sold 640k in its first week in order to regain its former glory. So far since volume 71. The comic sales have dramatically dropped. 

[rocci]

 
But not giving their money for support is what making Naruto franchise flop big time. This manga must surpassed the Naruto gaiden, which sold 640k in its first week in order to regain its former glory. So far since volume 71. The comic sales have dramatically dropped. 

They sell more than 500k is already a success.
They could sell until 1 million will give it greenlight to continue the story even expand it.
If they sell only 200k, then it's a flop.

As long as those Japanese but it, naruto will still exist.