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[TouKen4Life3g]

Well my point is that there shouldn't be one way only. You can have NS fan that fears nothing, or fear a little. But it almost seem like fear all is the only exception. That's my point. That or I have happened to be surrounded by them in here only. Like having majority of fans that is positive about the series in one place. I don't mind different opinions, but I don't like how one is vastly over anything that they would want you to be that way as well. Indirect or not, that's the case.

[James S Cassidy]

Because my faith has wavered. According to you, real NS fans faith don't waver. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but my faith has wavered.

 

To be honest, you didn't disappoint me, but it doesn't really matter what I feel. The point is to not disappoint yourself.

 

Well my point is that there shouldn't be one way only. You can have NS fan that fears nothing, or fear a little. But it almost seem like fear all is the only exception. That's my point. That or I have happened to be surrounded by them in here only. Like having majority of fans that is positive about the series in one place. I don't mind different opinions, but I don't like how one is vastly over anything that they would want you to be that way as well. Indirect or not, that's the case.

 

So here is a question, can one be a fan by not being a fan? And if one is not a fan then why do they still go to the places where said fans hang out?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 April 2014 - 03:27 AM.

[咲耶姫]

What did Sakura say in the original raw?

What do you guys think the context is meant to be? The "No matter what you say this time we're going to be together"

Did she mean it as a reference to the confession or is she just referring to how Naruto fights solo the following statement is what makes it kind of hard to find out for sure.

She said いつもいつもこんな大変ことばっかりを任されることになっちゃてる...でも今度はあんたが何を言おうが...一緒に...私だけじゃない...今度こそ皆で一緒に戦おう!

"You're always the one being entrust this king of difficult tasks... But, this time, whatever you say... Together... Not just me...This time, everyone will fight together."

I don't think the "this time" and the "Whatever you say" are related to the fake confession are anything. I think "this time" means that opposed to the fact he usually have to deal with these tasks alone, he won't be alone, he will have his friends by his side and this, whatever he says, since he tends to want to do everything on his own. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 05 April 2014 - 03:39 AM.

[rocci]

I still hope that kishi will stab sakura in this arc.

[luffyq1]

 

To be honest, you didn't disappoint me, but it doesn't really matter what I feel. The point is to not disappoint yourself.

I'll try so in the upcoming chapters.

 

I still hope that kishi will stab sakura in this arc.

Why would you want that? 

[咲耶姫]

I'll try so in the upcoming chapters.

 

Why would you want that? 

For a Rin/Sakura parallel I suppose. But personnaly, I don't want it at all. I don't care about parallel purpose, I'm tired of it. 

[Gojira]

I wouldn't, simply because how can something be a threat when it is something we already know? Hinata has been saying how much she loves Naruto or how bad she wants to be with him or stuff like that for a long time. Ever since her reveal in the manga that's pretty much all she ever thinks about.

573 from Hinata is basically just restating what we already know and we already accept this fact. So it is just restating the obvious and not really add anything "new" to the table that was already laid out.
 
From beginning we already knew Hinata loved Naruto. We also knew that Naruto loved Sakura, Sakura loved Sasuke, and Sasuke loved noone. Now hearing Hinata preach over and over is not making the pairing canon because it is only have half the equation. What is interesting is seeing Sakura's viewpoint of the matter and who she would side with. She decided to side with Naruto despite knowing the fight between him and Sasuke and all that has happened already. She makes the claim that no matter what, she will be together with Naruto. This is new info and goes against everyone who claimed that Sakura would abandon Naruto for Sasuke ina  heartbeat.

When 615 came out, Hinata got what she wanted, but it didn't make NH canon. Then 631 came out and Naruto tells his father that he sees Sakura as his girlfriend more or less. To me, that proved Naruto still has feelings for Sakura. People claim it as "a joke" and shouldn't be taken seriously, but I think of it this way. If it was meant to be nothing, why did Kishimoto write it in in the first place? Even Hinata's scenes have a purpose even if the pairing goes nowhere and never becomes canon.

And actually she didn't say "I'll be by your side forever." She said "I've always been the one chasing you, but once this war ends I am going to stop once and for all. Next time, I'll be next to you, holding your hand...walking with you." Which is exactly what she got in 615. She never said anything about being his lover or marrying him. She literally got what she asked for. Now people say she is being vague, but the vagueness could also be the reason why she doesn't win Naruto over.

The "I will be by his side forever" was when she was fighting one of the mini juubis I forgot which chapter specifically but it was after 631, my problem is that yes she said she was going to be by his side and hold his hand which she did already but that she will be walking with him side by side as (presumably) in a non platonic way as oppose to just following him around, the reason I see this is a threat is that she's monologuing this as if Kishi is prepping her up for something the same way Shikamaru has been prepping himself up to being Naruto's advisor whereas Sakura's thoughts of Naruto are remaining in a camaraderie state while at times being debatably ambiguous. Now this ofcourse doesn't change the fact that Kishi practically sealed the deal with NS by having Minato giving them his blessing since I can't really picture Kishi having Minato passing away for good again under the false impression that Naruto is dating someone like his mother and goes for someone else again it would feel like a loose end, he would have to have a moment with Hinata for NH to even be able to catch-up with NS at this point which again at this point is pretty unlikely

[TouKen4Life3g]

But that's the thing. You got to consider chapter 649 then. That one pretty much rein form my idea than the love idea.

[咲耶姫]

The "I will be by his side forever" was when she was fighting one of the mini juubis I forgot which chapter specifically but it was after 631, my problem is that yes she said she was going to be by his side and hold his hand which she did already but that she will be walking with him side by side as (presumably) in a non platonic way as oppose to just following him around, the reason I see this is a threat is that she's monologuing this as if Kishi is prepping her up for something the same way Shikamaru has been prepping himself up to being Naruto's advisor whereas Sakura's thoughts of Naruto are remaining in a camaraderie state while at times being debatably ambiguous. Now this ofcourse doesn't change the fact that Kishi practically sealed the deal with NS by having Minato giving them his blessing since I can't really picture Kishi having Minato passing away for good again under the false impression that Naruto is dating someone like his mother and goes for someone else again it would feel like a loose end, he would have to have a moment with Hinata for NH to even be able to catch-up with NS at this point which again at this point is pretty unlikely

You have a bad idea about the word that was used. Hinata used the word ずっと which hasn't the meaning of "forever" like she would meant for the eternity, endlessly, until they die together or I don't know. No, this word means "all along", 'throughout", "the whole time". It's more like she meant, she will stay by his side for the fight, throughout this adventure. You get what I mean? I'm not sure if I'm being clear enough.

If she meant what you say, she would have used some other word like いつもでも which litterally means "forever" or  末永く. 

 

And I responded to your question about what Sakura said in the raw version of chapter 573. ^-^

Edited by 咲耶姫, 05 April 2014 - 04:54 AM.

[narusaku256]

I used to think that but not anymore. It's more of a level of strength that's really being dealt with, not love. That's the thing, if a character who is confirmed in love says it, it's always romance above all. However, if the same thing happens, only not love, it's up for debate, if not just friends. I find that a bit unfair because the context needs to be justified or straightforward as much as 631. As time goes by, love is not focused anymore or rather never has been.

Hinata being on par with Naruto in terms of power? Really? 

 

 

The way things are progressing I doubt Sakura will have a big involvement when it comes to Naruto vs Sasuke. No offense to her character, but she'd be fodder to interfere with their fight, as much I want her to be involved in it.

And that's exactly what she should do! Staying beside and supporting Naruto mentally and emotionally in every way she can. Believe it or not she is not on par with the current Naruto and Sasuke, hell no one is on par with them now! All she would do is end up interfering in their business because even if she tries to protect Naruto, Sasuke being Sasuke won't even hesitate to kill her! So it will be on Naruto to protect her as well as defeat Sasuke, in a way he will have two things to focus on instead of one. And I think Sasuke will take advantage of this in every way he can, and well Naruto's life will be at risk. So Sakura, interfering in their battle, will not only distract Naruto but leave him vulnerable too. And I think Sakura is smart enough to understand that! So, she herself will step out, mentally declaring that she will be there for Naruto!(I hope)

 

 

As much as i hate to say this, Sakura is no match for Taka, i know "hur BYAKUGOU SEAL", i understand but it didnt added much to her abilities in other words give her more options on a fight, she increased her raw strenght but hasnt got any new jutsus that would give her new tactics and more options in a fight.

Also Taka got powerups, Karin + Suigetsu taker her down easily on my opinion.

 

Also her supportive abilities were more emphasized than her offensive ones.

Actually, I don't agree with this. She is strong enough but not skilled enough to face 3 on 1 battle. I mean she can take care of Karin and Suigetsu but Juugo will be a problem. The types of battles wherein one side lacks in number more of suits to Naruto type people who have enormous strength, stamina and skill. And besides Juugo and Karin(I know they are with Sasuke) don't seem like the type of people who'd battle for fun. They won't fight unless Sasuke asks them to or they feel that Sasuke's life is in danger and he needs to be protected. Atleast that's what I think, I mean when it has come to battle Karin has been sane enough and Juugo does go out of control but based on what I've seen they don't fight unless asked! Karin won't battle Sakura unless she(Sakura) poses a threat to Sasuke or interferes in his/her love for her/him XD! And besides if they do fight Team 7 vs Team Taka, Sai and Kakashi will also be a part of it, Sakura won't go in alone, as someone said in his/her post!

 

 

Because my faith has wavered. According to you, real NS fans faith don't waver. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but my faith has wavered.

It was never a question of faith wavering. 615 ofcourse threw me into concern a hell lot more, but I was not a part of this forum then. I think how James is trying to define a true fan is 'He is the one who DOES NOT GIVE IN to doubt and stays true to his ship, no matter the ship sinks or sails. Simply put, stays true to his ship no matter the consequences!'. I think he does not means to say that a true pairing fan should never doubt his ship. He is forced to instill a doubt because of the situation and I think that's natural and not in our hands. But surely the decision to give in to the doubt or staying true to the ship rests in our hands. I think that's what James is trying to say. Well, I maybe wrong too.

Edited by narusaku256, 05 April 2014 - 05:46 AM.

[Gojira]

You have a bad idea about the word that was used. Hinata used the word ずっと which hasn't the meaning of "forever" like she would meant for the eternity, endlessly, until they die together or I don't know. No, this word means "all along", 'throughout", "the whole time". It's more like she meant, she will stay by his side for the fight, throughout this adventure. You get what I mean? I'm not sure if I'm being clear enough.
If she meant what you say, she would have used some other word like いつもでも which litterally means "forever" or  末永く. 
 
And I responded to your question about what Sakura said in the raw version of chapter 573. ^-^

Why thank you

 

Yeah I get what your saying, I was just going by what the translation of it was in Mangapanda, if she was referring to the end of the war (which the raw implies like you said) then it defeats that argument pretty quick.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Metaphorically speaking that is. Not literally.

[James S Cassidy]

The "I will be by his side forever" was when she was fighting one of the mini juubis I forgot which chapter specifically but it was after 631, my problem is that yes she said she was going to be by his side and hold his hand which she did already but that she will be walking with him side by side as (presumably) in a non platonic way as oppose to just following him around, the reason I see this is a threat is that she's monologuing this as if Kishi is prepping her up for something the same way Shikamaru has been prepping himself up to being Naruto's advisor whereas Sakura's thoughts of Naruto are remaining in a camaraderie state while at times being debatably ambiguous. Now this ofcourse doesn't change the fact that Kishi practically sealed the deal with NS by having Minato giving them his blessing since I can't really picture Kishi having Minato passing away for good again under the false impression that Naruto is dating someone like his mother and goes for someone else again it would feel like a loose end, he would have to have a moment with Hinata for NH to even be able to catch-up with NS at this point which again at this point is pretty unlikely

I guess, but the core of the discussion was how what she thought in 573 was a threat to NS or not and truth be told I never did see it as a threat even when that chapter first came out simply because we already knew this.

I just want people to get off the idea that just because Hinata says she loves Naruto 50 times over does not mean the couple will be canon. Instead what people need to focus on is NOT what Hinata does or thinks, but what Naruto does or thinks with her. Same with Naruto and Sakura. We need to focus on what Sakura does or thinks instead of focusing on what Naruto is doing because we already know that Naruto loves Sakura. That's a given. We need to see if Sakura shows hint of reciprocating those feelings.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's kind of a loaded question to ask.

Here is a better question, Why do YOU see yourself as not a real NS fan?

This is retarded, since when pairing shipping is as reason for self determination.

It's like those guys i once met on the gym when they asked if i played Minecraft, i said no and they told me i wasnt a real gamer.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 April 2014 - 10:18 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

This is retarded, since when pairing shipping is as reason for self determination.

It's like those guys i once met on the gym when they asked if i played Minecraft, i said no and they told me i wasnt a real gamer.

 

When they said you weren't "a real gamer" did you start to like have a panic attack, paranoia, and started to think that maybe you weren't a real gamer and everything you believed you knew was a lie?

 

The subject could be about anything. Self-determination is not in what the subject matter is, but really your own character. If you easily back down and become paranoid over the silliest things even if they have no real affect on you, why does that say about you? I know people here are smart and intelligent, but sometimes some here are forgetful and they let their paranoia run their way of thinking instead of being realistic about it.

You see what I mean? There is no sense having a panic attack over an anime opening.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 April 2014 - 11:52 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

When they said you weren't "a real gamer" did you start to like have a panic attack, paranoia, and started to think that maybe you weren't a real gamer and everything you believed you knew was a lie?

 

The subject could be about anything. Self-determination is not in what the subject matter is, but really your own character. If you easily back down and become paranoid over the silliest things even if they have no real affect on you, why does that say about you? I know people here are smart and intelligent, but sometimes some here are forgetful and they let their paranoia run their way of thinking instead of being realistic about it.

You see what I mean? There is no sense having a panic attack over an anime opening.

I didnt have a panic attack however it's the geek bazinga days we are getting now on which any Alpha or bodybuilder can put  a glass or watch an episode of big bang theory and call himself a geek or nerd, and those fake girl gamers.

About the opening i just give an Sage on that thread because there's nothing on that opening on which people are saying pierrot crossed the line or whatever.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

NH can show all the "Proof" they can at us tor show how NH is relevent any more. just makes ourselves look better, smarter too.

 

Could you please stop with these comments towards the NH fandom? I get that you don't like the pairing, that's fine, but this is a place that's meant to be welcoming for everyone, regardless of what they ship. There are people here who do like Hinata and NaruHina and comments like this are just unnecessary and condescending. No one is "better" or "smarter" than someone else based on perspective or preference.

 

I truly don't mean to be rude or single you out, but I find myself feeling offended when I see this kind of stuff and I'm not even a NaruHina fan.

 

I still hope that kishi will stab sakura in this arc.

 

God no. That would be a terrible, cheap way to make Sakura relevant. Sakura's already been stabbed before, I really don't see what benefit there would be in it happening again.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 05 April 2014 - 03:33 PM.

[Gojira]

I guess, but the core of the discussion was how what she thought in 573 was a threat to NS or not and truth be told I never did see it as a threat even when that chapter first came out simply because we already knew this.

I just want people to get off the idea that just because Hinata says she loves Naruto 50 times over does not mean the couple will be canon. Instead what people need to focus on is NOT what Hinata does or thinks, but what Naruto does or thinks with her. Same with Naruto and Sakura. We need to focus on what Sakura does or thinks instead of focusing on what Naruto is doing because we already know that Naruto loves Sakura. That's a given. We need to see if Sakura shows hint of reciprocating those feelings.

Its not the fact that she is still in love with him and is repeating it, its the fact that unlike every other time she's saying to herself how she's going to actually be with him when the war is over, Kishi went and gave her a goal which means that she's either going to succeed or fail. It goes beyond the territory of admiring him from a distance when she's making a promise to herself to actually get with him by the end.

[TyranntX]

I still hope that kishi will stab sakura in this arc.

 

Get... Off... The forum....Now...

[narusaku256]

Its not the fact that she is still in love with him and is repeating it, its the fact that unlike every other time she's saying to herself how she's going to actually be with him when the war is over, Kishi went and gave her a goal which means that she's either going to succeed or fail. It goes beyond the territory of admiring him from a distance when she's making a promise to herself to actually get with him by the end.

Ok if you are so hell bent on vows, what about Sakura's vow to help Naruto in every possible way and even not letting Naruto die on her watch, no matter what the cost. What about her vow to support Naruto's 'stupid' dream and not letting him fall from that. And even the vow to have unshakeable faith in Naruto. Score: Hinata 2(1 techniclly) Sakura 4(I just remember 4 now, I think there are many more) Again Sakura outclasses Hinata in quality and quantity both!