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Brats as in they always get in trouble. Not their character.

 

Both. Harry x Hermione was shown in all books. Ron x Hermione began in book 4.

I would say that there were moments of RonxHermione in as early as Chamber of Secrets (Ron defending Hermione from Malfoy "Eat Slugs") but I always felt that Ron and Hermione's relationship was an "opposite's attract" type of relationship, or even that 'cliche' of young boy who likes a girl will put gum in her hair-type of thing, while Harry and Hermione's relationship was much more mature, and stable, more toward what an older couple would be like. 

Ginny didn't appear that much in the Harry Potter series. She was seen cumulatively few times in the Chambers of Secrets and Half-Blood Prince, and much fewer in the Deathly Hollows. Well, she's a side character.

 

We saw of Harry x Ginny in terms of romance in Half-Blood Prince and it was so sudden. Harry liked Ginny in Half-Blood Prince and Ginny already did like Harry since we saw her in The Chambers of Secrets. That's why JKR admitted that Hermione was better for Harry cause they spent so much time together and many loved the chemistry between them. Honestly, there were some nice moments between Harry and Hermione in every movie.

 

I got the urge to talk about Harry Potter XD

That's the point. We didn't see Ginny in really any part of the books or films, outside of Chamber and Half-Blood. JKR could have easily put in a few scenes of Harry interacting with Ginny to that pairing a little bit more substantial. Harry and Hermione was the most complete relationship (platonic or romantic) in the series, just like Naruto and Sakura was in the Naruto series. It wasn't until Half-Blood Prince came out that we saw a shift in JKR's writing to put more emphasis on the pairings, and even then it was still more in the background than in Naruto. Kishi or SP decided to go full bore with regards to pairings with Naruto to try and get more fans/money because they saw how popular those type of manga/anime was becoming. 

I give this guy credit for standing up on how bad the anime ending was unlike everybody else.. here it is: 

 

 

C'mon guys, Naruto is not a shoujo anime. It's shonen. Despite that, they end on a wedding instead of showing the build up towards Naruto achieving his dream of becoming Hokage? Seriously, we sat through all of those episodes, listened to all of his speeches, delt with all the stupidity and fillers and stupid fillers, and yet, despite all this, Naruto Shippuden focuses on the most minor aspect to the series: romance.

Look, I get it, you enjoy seeing your ship come to fruition... but it's not what Naruto's about. If I just watched the show on TV like I would have watched DBZ as a kid, I would never get to see Naruto achieve his dream. This focus on the wedding and the high budget animation in comparison to most of the canon scenes and fights just left a bad taste in my mouth.

They couldn't even do chapter 700.

This ending was bullcrap and I'm calling all of you out for eating it up anyway.

 

 

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I actually agree, they really overdid the romance stuff especially these last 10 episodes.

I would've preferred seeing Naruto going on missions and learning how to be a decent hokage instead. Or give us some Naruto and Sasuke bromance, that's a lot more interesting than a wedding.

Jiraiya wasn't even mentioned once. He was more of a fatherly figure than Iruka ever was. I always considered Iruka being like Naruto's big brother.

 

 

 

 

They ruined him in boruto and it makes me sad. Including his awful haircut he should've had the cut like his dads. In that episode road to tenten where he had those really long sides. It should've been that not what he has now. His current cut doesn't suit him at all. A growth similar to Minato would've been perfect. There's art of it and it's just great.

 

 

 

 

I actually agree with you. I would rather see chapter 700 animated or at the very least, Naruto's interaction with his son and the final few pages with Naruto commencing the gokage council. Even if it was about being acknowledged, that shouldn't undermine all the moments he declared he'll be hokage. Since part 1, he's said that. In fights against Kiba, Neji and Kabuto he's declared it. He told his mother he'll be the orange hokage. Even after Itachi told him about the link between acknowledgement and hokage, Naruto was still saying he'll be hokage. You have moments of Obito telling him he'll be hokage. You have Naruto lecturing Obito on what it means to be hokage. You have Tobirama saying he'll surpass his brother as hokage. Shikamaru saying he needs to support Naruto as hokage. Etc etc etc. it was about acknowledgment but it was also about being hokage. That's what it's all been leading up to.

 

What i got instead was a finale focused on Shikamaru holding hands with Temari, Ino holding hands with Sai, obviously Naruto and Hinata and for some weird reason, Sakura, a bird, and Sasuke with a random minimal note that just reads one word. It did feel like the ending to a shoujo series. It didn't feel like a conclusion to the shonen series, but a conclusion to this arc that had a very different tone to the series as a whole. Even then, the episode was about the moment before the wedding began, not the wedding itself. I don't think we can just say it's about bonds and ignore the very heavy and obvious focus on romance in a series the original author very clearly declared is not about romance 

 

I couldn't agree more. So disappointing that the studio kept feeding these fans something to post for their tumblr accounts. "but but a lot of people came to support Naruto, etc." ah, he is already a living legend in the shinobi world. He doesn't need the wedding to show that people will bond together for him because even without it, everyone already acknowledges him. In konoha, way back pain's arc. And after the war, the whole world.

The animation from the climax of the war episodes, with Obito's and Madara's scenes were so poorly animated it hurts watching it a couple of times.

They could have just animate chapter 700 and filled it with some character interactions. But noooo. Ahh it could've been much better. Shippuden deserves better. We deserve better.

But oh well, it ended with episode 479 for me

 

 

Have to agree, I only just got around to watching it this morning and I thought it was just a cheap ending for everything it had made us all feel in the past. To be honest, I thought the anime was just going to end when the war ended, and when it kept going I thought, What left is there to do??? Oh right Naruto hasn't become hokage yet....... Nope we were waiting for a wedding... of a romance we didn't even see..... Really disappointed to not feel anything from the ending of what made me feel so much in it's years of airing.

 

 

 

Naruhina is so forced so yeah the ending was bad. They had no development whatsoever and naruto only decided he loved her back after realizing he should accept that she loves him. Oh, and after 5 minutes of genjutsu which he shouldn't have been affected by. Naruto barely payed her any mind and they barely talked. Hinata watched him from behind a tree when he was lonely instead of helping him. Sasuke was narutos only goal and sasuke said that naruto was the only one to save him from his loneliness. Iruka was the first to acknowledge naruto, not Hinata. Hinata cared more about a stupid scarf than her sister hanabi. Naruto sleeps on the couch and looks miserable with his family and has to take pills at breakfast. Are you seeing the picture?

Oh yeah and neji died just so NH could have a moment. Unacceptable.

And those scenes in the last with naruto and Hinata as little kids NEVER happened. In the show it shows sasuke and naruto acknowledging each other because they are both lonely as little kids. Hinata was never kittening there and even now In boruto because they decided to put those two together the family is entirely dysfunctional. Naruto stays in his office all the time while Hinata barely knows anything about him. They barely talk and the kid feels neglected and acts like a fool. Happy family? Meant to be ship? Ha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From what I saw a majority of the comments tend to agree, but a few did defend the reasonings for the ending, but still I'm glad there people out there besides ourselves that can see just how bad the anime ending was. 

 

OMG! All of those comments of how much they hate the anime ending it makes me cry for joy.  There are still TRUE Naruto fans out there who only care about his dream of becoming Hokage and not marrying a big breasted girl.  

The fact that the FINALE of the Naruto animated series was all about Hinata achieving her dream (marrying Naruto) rather than Naruto achieving his (becoming Hokage) shows what SP was really about, the romance, rather than being a 'battle' manga/anime. Kishi even showed his true colors by bowing to SP, by making that weird one-shot of the inauguration. He couldn't even show Naruto becoming Hokage that way, instead Konohamaru became Hokage. Those two things right there show that Naruto dissolved from a good 'copy' of DBZ to pretty much a romance manga/anime that focused solely on the pairings of the characters, not the characters themselves. I call it the 'Twilight' effect. Several other series have fallen into that trap as well, including Harry Potter IMO. 

Quote from Sakura in 'The Last' : "Do you remember when you said you loved me ? ... i wonder... did you only said that because i loved Sasuke ? and you simply didn't want to lose to him ?"

Naruto had a crush on Sakura since the Academy (before they were assigned in a team together). Sakura wasn't the only Girl who had a crush on Sasuke (The Fangirl-Group was pretty large). If Naruto was really envious of Sasuke, then not because Sakura had a crush on him.
 

Sasuke basically got all the attention, and 'attention' was something Naruto desperately fought for as a child. So if Naruto really intended to 'win' against Sasuke, then only by getting more attention than him. So.. How would he have 'more' attention than Sasuke when he only tried to pick up Sakura from his FanGirl-Group ? What about Ino and the other Girls who had a crush on him? Shouldn't Naruto also have tried to pick them up too if he really wanted to get more attention than Sasuke ? I mean Ino gave Sasuke the same attention as Sakura. 

So the big qusiton here is : "why did Naruto choose Sakura from all the girls, and why 'only' her ?"

Sakura was also propably the most difficult Person he could choose since Sakura 'hated' Naruto, so this wouldn't make any sense. Narutos chances getting a other girl was much higher back in the days than with Sakura. Doesn't it maybe prove the point that Narutos feelings towards Sakura had nothing to do with Sasuke? And that maybe Sakura was the reason why Naruto was even more 'envious' of Sasuke ? 

Sasuke wasn't the only one who got more attention than Naruto. Basically everyone got more attention than him. However i do believe that Sakura was the last missing final straw which leads Naruto to start the 'rivalry' against him. 

I mean it's the same with Kakashi - Obtio - Rin. Kakashi got so much attention because he was a skilled student, and Rin was one of the FanGirls. Obito didn't start the 'rivalry' against Kakashi because he got more 'attention', because he got the 'attention' from the Girl he had a crush on. That's the same with Naruto.. he started the 'rivalry' because Sasuke got the attention from the Girl he loves/d. 


 

I'm pretty sure the main reason Naruto 'choose' Sakura was because he saw himself in her. At the start of their time at the Academy, Sakura was picked on by bullies because of her forehead. It wasn't until she befriended Ino that Sakura gained enough confidence to fight back against her bullies. I think that's why in the genjutsu dream in The Last film, the writers made sure to have Hinata picked on by bullies for her eyes because they knew that Kishimoto had used it for Sakura back in Part I, and it had worked back then, so why not copy it in The Last. 

Statement: The main problem of Rescue Sasuke subplot isn't because of Sasuke but rather, Naruto and Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

Agree. While I can understand that Naruto and Sakura had formed bonds with Sasuke, and wanted him to return. But they went too far, Sasuke abandoned them, he left of his own volition, Sasuke wasn't forced to leave. And isn't one of the main tenants of Team 7 is Kakashi's quote "Those who betray the ninja rules are trash...but those who betray their comrades are worse than trash." So Sasuke is worse than trash by those standards, and yet Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto all rush after him and obsess about him. If you think about it, the situation is retcon'ing Karachi's (and by extension Naruto and Sakura's) values just like Naruto: The Last recon'd the entire early manga.

Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

As others have said, the only way to make this pairing work was to have at least hinted at it throughout the entire manga, not just the final 100 or so chapters. Hinata was left so far behind in development that even having a movie pretty much solely based around the pairing made things worse. Naruto/Hinata could have been a good pairing if Kishi and others had introduced and developed it throughout the manga, but instead they just let it sink to the bottom of the sea and tried to resurrect it at the very end. Honestly, I don't think that Kishi had any plans to pair Naruto and Hinata together until the very last moment (last 25 chapters or so) since if he had, he would have made more of an effort to at least show them talking after Hinata's confession in the Pain Arc. Without any conversation or screen time between the two, the confession comes off as a last act of desperation to talk to Naruto before they all die, making it just as bad if not worse than Sakura's 'confession' in the Land of Iron.

Naruto and Hinata's relationship is even less developed than Harry and Ginny's in Harry Potter. Both authors/writers didn't need to add a lot to make the relationship's at least somewhat believable, a scene or two scattered throughout the books/manga would have been enough.

While I hated the character, I never hated the actor. Rickman's portrayal of Snape in the films was arguably the high point of them. He brought to life the most complex character in the series and did it in a such an excellent way that I don't think I'll ever be able to think of Snape as anyone else.

RIP

PS: Still don't think Snape actually loved Lily, had feelings for her sure, but they were of friendship and longing which became twisted by regret and guilt

I have two NS moments that stand out to me in Part I:

1: When Naruto leaves the hospital room after Sasuke wakes up from his coma after Itachi put him in the hospital. That sad smile that he gives when Sakura throws her arms around Sasuke really solidified my feelings that Naruto truly did love Sakura, that he was willing to give up his own happiness for Sakura's. I know that many SS fans will claim this as one of their moments but I really think it shows how empathic and in touch Naruto is in with people's emotions. 

2: When Sakura tells Naruto that she will get stronger and together they will bring Sasuke back after the VotE battle pt. 1. I believe that Sakura, seeing how far Naruto will go to help her, it serves as a wake up call to Sakura that she needs to improve and better herself and prove herself worthy of being able to stand alongside Naruto and Sasuke. That moment was the beginning of Sakura really blossoming into the confident and competent ninja that she was, at least until Kishi decided to have Sakura commit character suicide in the last few chapters of the manga.

I don't think the Naruto/Hinata pairing was truly put into place until Naruto: The Last was in full production, meaning the script was completed, etc. And I think this tells me that Kishi really didn't have any pairings decided while writing the series because of the forced interactions and retcons that had to be done to 'try' and make Naruto/Hinata work (failing miserably in the process). He and the producers of the film, and the studio had to scramble to make an attempt to make the relationship seem believable (again failing miserably). The fact that the film had forced (genjutsu brainwashing) interactions between Naruto and Hinata, stealing/copying characterization from other characters (Hinata being bullied, since her being bullied is somewhat believable) and then having Sakura committing character suicide with the 'loving me only due to rivalry with Sasuke' line, showed that Kishi and etc. were just trying to make things up as they went along to try and keep as much credibility as they could with such a rapid change of course.

I think the shinobi system just need to be change.
Instead a mercenary, shinobi could mean a guardian of peace.
But nothing change from it, so the zabuza arc is a waste.
The last is garbage, Hinata never get bullied by her peer. It's sakura the one who get bullied and ino is the one who save her and not sasuke.

If there had been hints that Hinata been bullied in the manga, in addition to Sakura being bullied and Naruto saving both in some way, like pulling a prank on the bullies somehow, it would have solved at least one of the issues with Naruto: The Last. The fact that the movie had so many inconsistencies with the manga is a pretty clear answer that the pairings were not planned out, at least not until the movie itself.

What does it mean when naruto doesn't pass genin exam three times?

I've kind of wondered about that as well. The class that Naruto 'graduates' with is the same age as he is, but if Naruto had failed to pass two times before the first time we meet him, does that mean Naruto started the Academy two years earlier than the others? Or did Hiruzen put Naruto in an accelerated class to have him out of the Academy quicker?

But then again, with the timeline, I doubt we will ever get a concise answer. I mean look at how they (Kishi, SP) went back and ruined the timeline with the 'genjutsu flashbacks' in the Last and all the fillers that have tried to fill in the pre-manga time.

And Naruto only seemed to start "loving" Hinata after Toneri stated his wanting of her, so who's to say his "love" for Hinata wasn't purely stemmed from competition either? Especially when you consider Toneri "winning" when Hinata chose to leave with him and Naruto just gives up right there.

Double standards by NH fans are double standards.

Exactly, if Naruto's feelings for Sakura were only because of his rivalry with Sasuke then you have to assume that his feelings for Hinata are not genuine either. To me, his feelings are out of some sort of misplaced guilt because he 'learns' (brainwashed) that Hinata 'loved' him her entire life, and he feels bad that he never noticed and married her to make up for it.

I've maintained that as long as the story was well written and wrapped up correctly, then I wouldn't have minded Naru/Hina, I wanted Sasuke to die of his injuries in the end to wrap up the Uchiha storyline (but that would have hung Sakura out to dry) and because it would have forced Naruto to grow up and realize that he can't save everyone and that there are consequences for people's actions (since apparently Sasuke isn't punished for betraying the village (unless he has been exiled under the table?))

Wouldn't Sakura being a surrogate make more sense if SK became canon rather than SS?

Well since we still have no confirmation that Sasuke and Sakura have even kissed, let alone done the deed, I'm not sure and it would fit into the twisted and obsessed, pathetic character that Sakura became in the end.

^The only reason I still care about this series is fanfiction

Then embrace the fanon and forget about canon

Well what's the difference between the two? I mean Kishimoto has constantly gone back and retcon'd the entire series with the Last and his constant contradictions in interviews he's made since last year, so you could make the argument that now the entire series is just a fan fiction from an actual and published author. 

I think it would have turned out a bit like how it did in the 'canon' manga. Sasuke might have smacked down Sakura, telling her that he didn't want a romantic relationship because he was so hyper focused on killing Itachi, but then I think Sakura would have dedicated herself to getting stronger to try and make herself seem strong enough to help Sasuke kill Itachi rather than getting stronger to stand alongside Sasuke and Naruto. I don't even know if Sakura would have gone to Tsunade about getting trained if Sasuke had stayed in Konoha, though perhaps seeing both Sasuke and Naruto in the hospital, it could have triggered an idea to become a medical ninja to make Sasuke see her as useful.

If Sasuke had stayed in Konoha, Naru/Saku would have never had a chance though it would have also depended on if Naruto had left with Jiraiya as well. I believe that the only reason that Sakura started to really see Naruto was because she could relate to him in their attempts to 'save' Sasuke from Orochimaru. Unfortunately, that was the 'key' to all of Naruto and Sakura's relationship development, it gave Kishi an easy way to have the two interact and connect because they had the same goal, and it made their interactions easier to plot out.