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[ramenanmitsu]

There's a part of me that thinks that he said this on purpose because he hates the movie and therefore saying something that will flame the fandom and thus making the movie a huge flop.

But then again, I'm probably giving him too much credit.

Whatever this author says or does in the future will never redeem him. No reason is good enough for the bs he put us through.

[Harbour]

So, basically Kishimoto said that he loves Sakura more than Naruto, if he couldn't let Sakura to get over Sasuke, but easily let Naruto to get over Sakura. That only the way i can explain his double standards.  

Or he is just idiot or maniac. I wonder, what his wife think about his words. Oda said that Sakura remind him her. Pretty terrible if she is fine with abusive relationships.

[ALESSE]

 
If I had likes to give I would give you but i ran out of likes a long time ago so much top quality posts today.
 
Honestly I cant bring myself to say much more Narusaku should been together end of story.
 

This interview supports even more that NS was planned ..........why did you destroy your story kishi sigh
 
I do thank him for coming out with the fact that NS was considered/planned though we already knew it but it was a much needed slap to some NH fans that thought it wasnt, but that SS support comment with regards to sakura kishi women every where should pick up pots and pans and hunt you down

That's what makes story telling so complete. You focus on your main character, the rival and the love interest. That's it.
This was a financial decision, nothing more nothing less. Kill the completion of the story for the sake of continuation.
Oh well.

[rocci]

There's a part of me that thinks that he said this on purpose because he hates the movie and therefore saying something that will flame the fandom and thus making the movie a huge flop.

But then again, I'm probably giving him too much credit.

Whatever this author says or does in the future will never redeem him. No reason is good enough for the bs he put us through.

You are giving him too much credit.
This is an author that trying to justify an asspull ending because he could not properly develope it. And need a movie to canonized it instead doing it in the manga. People said in order for nh & ss to become canon, they need asspull, and they did get it and on top of that kishi kill NS, the characters and the bond.

[LuckyChi7]

You know I should be in rage, I should make a rant video about it (still considering it), but then I gave some time to myself to think about all of this. Now that we have some proper clarification from Kishi about Sakura's character, and here is what I have to say about this. 

 

A recap from me before the explanation: 

 

During my 10th grade year of high school, around that time my friend got me back into the series after my long hiatus (from the pain arc) and that's when the Fourth Great Ninja War was taking place. I started rereading the series again from the beginning and I remember what I loved about the series, and once I caught up I told my best friend that I'll be sticking to it tell the very end. Naruto was the manga that got me into fanfiction, and that transcended into what my career dream is. To become an author (sounds kinda cheesy especially with this series).

 

I always thought Kishi had a creative approach when it came to a manga, and I always thought if I became a famous author, and some one asked me what my inspiration to writing was I'd  say Naruto was one of them. Like JK Rowling, Rick Riordan, Hiro Mashima, and Hajime Isayama,  I would've also said Kishi inspired me to push my dream forward. Now after everything was said by the man behind Naruto, behind Sasuke, behind Sakura, behind every damn thing that took place in Naruto, I'm truly disappointed.

 

 

You had an amazing story with great characters:

 

Naruto: The boy who never gives up and will surpass those that came before him.

 

Sasuke: The sole survivor who wants to avenge his clan (kinda generic yes, but still I wanted to see how it'd go down)

 

Sakura: The girl who wanted to become the strongest kunoichi, and has a crush on Sasuke at first, but slowly changes over the course of the timeskip.  

 

Kakashi: The sensei who lost his two best friends and had a  tragic past, teaches the concepts to his students of the ninja world. Like there is no tomorrow, how if you brake the rules then your scum, but if you let your friends die then you're worse then scum.

 

 

 

Here is truthful and honest answer, I think we can agree that Part 1 of Naruto was where the series was at it's peak. There were a lot of rememberable things in Part 1 was truly unforgettable and I believe you can read the series up till the first Naruto Vs Sasuke Fight. The thing is you've had the ending of naruto in volume 27 and it wouldn't have made that big of a deal. The ending would've made much more sense had Naruto just only lasted till then. Kishi, you're statement about Sakura being a terrible person if she didn't change her feelings would still hurt you, but of course Sakura's attention in Part 1 (majority of it) was towards Sasuke. That's something I'm not going to deny. I mean people could still say this was one of the best series had it been there.  Why is that?

 

All of the development spent in Part 2 could've been saved with the ending happening in Part 1. The growth between Naruto and Sakura's character, Naruto loosing Jiraiya, Shikamaru loosing Asuma, Obito, Madara, Kaguya, etc. You literally would've saved the amount of critisim you're getting for the series right now, but because you didn't it's obviously not gonna look good on your next work. I'm not even sure how many of your fans will be invested in Part 3 after hearing this statement. Had you had Sakura move on her feelings from Sasuke to Naruto,  and Naruto actually getting the girl. That would be such a huge positive message Kishi, a lot of people could relate to moving on from one guy or girl to another. That's just a common thing that happens in everyday life it doesn't mean you're a terrible person, it just means you've had alot of growth. You had Sakura in the middle of the war holding onto Naruto's heart and literally helps it best while telling him there's no way in hell I'm letting you die. That right there shows alot of growth and alot of development that Sakura's been through as the character, and like I said you could've pushed it just one step further, and people could relate it. 

 

 

I will not lie, Part 2 had amazing moments like the ones I've listed, but I personally feel like rereading Part 2 is gonna what's gonna hurt for many of us because of the character development, the story progression, themes, and morals it portrayed. Then it comes down to the ending, and we're back to were we originally were. That's what hurts this series of Naruto is the second half of the series of character growth, development, morals, themes, etc. All of it gets chucked out the window like it never existed.   

 

 

Masashi Kishimoto you were an amazing writer until now,  truthfully and honestly learn from this for your next work/ manga, but I doubt it's going to happen. I doubt you're going to get the fans that read Naruto the same way how you ended and destroyed the series. 

That is how I personally feel truly feel about all of this. 

 

Does mentioning all of this mean I'm gonna get rid of the Part 2 volumes from my shelf?

 

I really truly want to, I really truly want to just sell those Volumes and just keep Part 1. However, I'm not going to due to Volume 71 because unlike most volumes it didn't end with a massive cliffhanger. All you got at the end was Hagaromo stating thank you for saving the world to Team 7. That volume ending saves the character growth, and development  the series was building up towards. Even though it seemed kinda rushed, but it's hell of a lot better then you know. Besides you can interpret and guess where things go from there. That's just my opinion.   

 

 

 

If you guys are looking for a series to get over Naruto, I'd recommend Boku No Hero Academia (My Hero Academia): 

 

I already made a thread as to why you should give it a read: http://www.narusaku....showtopic=14726

 

 

Now my question all of you is this:

 

How many of you feel like the ending of Naruto would make sense if it happened in Part 1?

[rocci]

@luckychi
In term of pairing it's gonna be open ending.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Part 2 could have been great and all but the bridge he built burned and a lot of things left unanswered. It heavily relied on that bridge and he managed to destroy it.

[Suigetsu]

Oda said that Sakura remind him her. Pretty terrible if she is fine with abusive relationships.

 

Wait what?! Oda said that sakura reminded him of kishi's wife? or what exactly do you mean?

[Shizuku]

There are posts on tumblr stating that sakura was indeed confused between naruto and sasuke... Is that legit?

[archangel]

My reaction to this interview : HAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA

 

Do you think I'm stupid. A LONG TIME AGO WITH NARUTO AND HINATA. kitten, kitten AND kitten.

 

Sakura would be a horrible woman to fall for a guy who basically make her smile blush,happy, loyal and save her life like a million time. No that not what a woman want. Her moving on made her an horrible woman, stay with the guy that state, 7 chapters before the end, that he doesn't care.

 

But that doesn't make Naruto an horrible man, to just give up and move on the girl, when his ninja way is to never give up, when he cleary been in love with Sakura until 700. That both his parents come and approve her. That he was this close to get her. That the bench scene were not resolve and having Sakura saves his life instead of Hinata while Sasuke got save by Karin. No it's not horrible. kittening ASTROCIOUS SHOULD BE THE TERM.

 

A Great woman is like Hinata, and Sakura now. Love a guy that show no interest,(Sakura is worst on this). He will magically fall in love with you and even married you because he knows you're the one. Than, you ended up having kid and become housewives since you're husband are to busy and think about their work life more than they family( though family define their whole story the entire time)

 

He's lying. 99% sure. 1% is that he honest, which makes him the biggest idiot that didn't know how to write. (no disrespect intended since I'm sure it's not the one %, that the scientist in me that said nothing can be 100%, especially in estimation)

[rocci]

Wait what?! Oda said that sakura reminded him of kishi's wife? or what exactly do you mean?

Old interview, it perhaps just a tease or maybe that is true.

[Suigetsu]

Man... I wonder what Oda thinks about the ending and about this interview, heck let that alone. What does yahagi think about all this mess?

 

I would talk about the end but that doesnt belong in this thread. Forever upset he never addressed Suigetsu and Taka properly, among other things.

[Hanabi]

Old interview, it perhaps just a tease or maybe that is true.

Its just found in a site where oda type his personal thoughts. ( kinda like diary/journal) he had attended kishi wedding that day when he wrote that

[Nar123]

There are posts on tumblr stating that sakura was indeed confused between naruto and sasuke... Is that legit?

 

of course, she had feelings for naruto too.

they only didn't get together because of hinata

 

here's a better translation to the interview that confirms this

http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

Edited by Nar123, 21 November 2014 - 01:29 AM.

[archangel]

 

of course, she had feelings for naruto too.

they only didn't get together because of hinata

 

here's a better translation to the interview that confirms this

http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

OK THAT'S KIND OF EVEN WORST than the 1st LOL.

 

Basically Hinata character kill everyone. Nobody can phantom her without Naruto. REALLY ??? REALLY??? SHE'S A SIDE CHARACTER FOR GOD SAKE. ANYONE CAN JUSTIFY HER MOVING ON ( ESPECIALLY AFTER THE WAR SINCE SHE SAID IT HERSELF ) Now nothing make sense for the 180 turn . 

[Nar123]

OK THAT'S KIND OF EVEN WORST than the 1st LOL.

 

Basically Hinata character kill everyone. Nobody can phantom her without Naruto. REALLY ??? REALLY??? SHE'S A SIDE CHARACTER FOR GOD SAKE. ANYONE CAN JUSTIFY HER MOVING ON ( ESPECIALLY AFTER THE WAR SINCE SHE SAID IT HERSELF ) Now nothing make sense for the 180 turn . 

 

Naruto and sakura are a pair of selfless idiots in the end 

 

Now ultimately it was kishi's decision, he probably chose NH bc marketing and everything else involved with hinata's character (Nana Mizuki's popularity, etc) ...she really is an ensemble darkhorse 

http://tvtropes.org/...sembleDarkhorse

 

SS was so asspuled that just came out as bonus for a part 3. Of course this doesn't take the fact that kishi acted as a sexist by making Sakura go back like a fangirl to her abuser

Edited by Nar123, 21 November 2014 - 01:39 AM.

[Candleguy]

 

 

I always thought Kishi had a creative approach when it came to a manga, and I always thought if I became a famous author, and some one asked me what my inspiration to writing was I'd  say Naruto was one of them. Like JK Rowling, Rick Riordan, Hiro Mashima, and Hajime Isayama,  I would've also said Kishi inspired me to push my dream forward. Now after everything was said by the man behind Naruto, behind Sasuke, behind Sakura, behind every damn thing that took place in Naruto, I'm truly disappointed.

 

I feel the same way. I had, just in case I did become and author lol. already planned on having Kishimoto and Oda on my dedication page for my first book. He is a real disappointment.

[harry4e]

There's a part of me that thinks that he said this on purpose because he hates the movie and therefore saying something that will flame the fandom and thus making the movie a huge flop.

But then again, I'm probably giving him too much credit.

Whatever this author says or does in the future will never redeem him. No reason is good enough for the bs he put us through.

 

Yeah the more I see think about the last chapter the more I wonder if Kishi is expressing his own dislike for the end. The Sake bottle to show him going against his mothers words, same with the Tubs of Ramen, and his own child being upset, then we have no scenes with the main pairings not even seen in the same panel together.

 

Then I just think I'm thinking too much and he's just a bad writer who wanted to set the stage for a part three with kids a sad upbringing.

 

Though I do expect part three is likely to get a big overhaul. I wouldn't be surprised with the negative feedback, Kishi will write the last part to show two happy families, will show Sasuke and Sakura interact more, same with Hinata and Naruto. He probably planned a certain story for part three, but it will now probably end up as a means to justufy his decision.

 

Not that it will matter the damage is done, fans who actually cared for the characters won't care anymore, and the only people happy are those who got their pairings to happen...though I honstly can't see why they are happy. The ending didn't justify their pairings at all, it just happened, it had nothing to do with the charactors interaction in the manga.

 

 

 

of course, she had feelings for naruto too.

they only didn't get together because of hinata

 

here's a better translation to the interview that confirms this

http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview

 

So wait it's pitty pairings now due to the sis-code? (you know like the Bros before Ho's saying only with girls?) that's even worst, he just screwed up all three main charactorrs for a side charactor who if you combined their entire screentime would probably be covered in less than half a volume.

 

Worst part is Hinata and Sakura are not even friends.

Edited by harry4e, 21 November 2014 - 02:18 AM.

[archangel]

 

Yeah the more I see think about the last chapter the more I wonder if Kishi is expressing his own dislike for the end. The Sake bottle to show him going against his mothers words, same with the Tubs of Ramen, and his own child being upset, then we have no scenes with the main pairings not even seen in the same panel together.

 

Then I just think I'm thinking too much and he's just a bad writer who wanted to set the stage for a part three with kids a sad upbringing.

 

Though I do expect part three is likely to get a big overhaul. I wouldn't be surprised with the negative feedback, Kishi will write the last part to show two happy families, will show Sasuke and Sakura interact more, same with Hinata and Naruto. He probably planned a certain story for part three, but it will now probably end up as a means to justufy his decision.

 

Not that it will matter the damage is done, fans who actually cared for the characters won't care anymore, and the only people happy are those who got their pairings to happen...though I honstly can't see why they are happy. The ending didn't justify their pairings at all, it just happened, it had nothing to do with the charactors interaction in the manga.

 

Nar123, on 21 Nov 2014 - 01:28 AM, said:

 

So wait it's pitty pairings now due to the sis-code? (you no like Bro before Ho's saying only with girls?) that's even worst, he just screwed up all three main charactorrs for a side charactor who if you combined their entire screentime would probably be covered in less than half a volume.

 

Worst part is Hinata and Sakura are not even friends.

So true. Sakura doing something like that for Ino, I could understand more. But that's just wow. And we know Hinata just SOOOOOOOOO Not better for Naruto .

[harry4e]

So true. Sakura doing something like that for Ino, I could understand more. But that's just wow. And we know Hinata just SOOOOOOOOO Not better for Naruto .

 

She should have given up on Sasuke for Ino, maybe got together with Lee because he likes her right? Now that I think about it, the rage we've been feeling wouldn't have been anywhere near what it is, if LeeSaku had happened...He's always been nice to her, and it would be a representation of how her charactor has grown to o from someone who she liked for his looks to someone who she was repulsed by on first sight. I wouldn't have liked it, but I know I would have actually been Okay with it.