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#1 Nostradamus

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 04:53 PM

I don’t even know where to begin with this. First of all I want you guys and girls to read what I’m about to write here and pay very close attention. And the most important thing, think about what I’m saying.

Secondly as you know or don’t know I am a NaruSaku fan. However I’m a Naruto fan first. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t have bothered to read/follow this story in the first place for so many years. I care about the story, the characters, the messages it tries to send more than I care about Narusaku.

Before I start I recommend all of you to go right now on Google and search for “how not to write and ending” or “the do's and don'ts of endings” so you can understand what a writer should do in an ending and he/she shouldn’t do.

 

Ever since I read this ending, I’ve been desperately trying to understand what the hell I just read. Every single time I think about it I get headaches. And I can’t believe this catastrophe. The first time I saw the spoilers and I said to myself that those are fake, but then the chapters got released and I actually saw that those spoilers weren’t fake. I sort of went in a sort of depression, not really a depression but you get what I mean, I was confused and I felt really strange for about a week and wasn’t able to think properly. This is what happens when you allow yourself to get attached emotionally to a fictional story. I’m never going to do that ever again. But after I let go of my emotions and let myself think properly and objectively look at this ending. I came to a simple conclusion. This ending makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Now you might say well you’re just a Narusakutard that can’t accept that Naruto and Sakura didn’t end up together and now you’re just kittening about it. But like I said above I’m a Naruto fan first and a NaruSaku fan second. Throughout this rant I’m constantly going to remind you of that in order for you to understand that I care about the story and everything else more than I care about NaruSaku.

 

So let’s begin. Naruto’s ending is the worst ending in the history of storytelling. You see everything an ending should be like provide resolution, resound the themes, and provide closure on the sub-plots and the characters. Give some of these characters their moment to shine. All these things it should do it fails at, doesn’t care to or does something completely ridiculous. The characters are completely out of character (in case you have no idea what that means, it means when a character behaves outside their established personality), the lore is just destroyed, things happen without any explanation or exposition. It’s unbelievably poorly put together. Or it’s just one giant lie, more on that later.

 

Remember this isn’t me kittening that my favorite pairing didn’t happen therefore the story sucks. It’s something so much bigger than the pairings.

You see an ending should answer previous questions that were raised during the story. This ending not only that it didn’t bother to answer the questions that were raised but it completely ignores them like these things never even existed. Plus it actually gave us more questions. Nothing got answered in this ending and nothing makes any sense in this so called ending.

 

First let’s look at this ending and see these brand new questions. But before that I’m going to talk about lore. Lore is established information and knowledge we learned about the universe in which the story takes place. When a question of lore is raised in an existing scene either contradicts pre-established info or creates new lore with no explanation. Expecting the reader to believe it somehow. The first problem is called a retcon, the second is poor exposition. In the former this is what happens when the writer is unable to remember the details he/she wrote. In the latter the writer is to lazy to establish new ideas properly through basic techniques by using details and exposition.

 

Space Reasons

Space Reasons 2

Space Reasons 3

Space Reasons 4

 

Ok enough with the pairings. Now some people said that Kishi sold out, that he sold out and that’s why we got a NH/SS ending. Ok that would explain those two pairings; however it doesn’t explain all the other crap that is present in this ending.

For example: Why did Naruto gave up, why he treats his own son like that. Some of you might find it funny that Naruto’s son is acting exactly like Naruto was when he was a kid. You’ll say it’s a parallel, it’s entertaining. However that’s exactly the problem. Naruto changed. Look at the child’s behavior. It’s very clear that he’s being neglected. You can’t possibly tell me that Naruto the character that understands pain, suffering and loneliness better than anyone else. The character that we’ve seen so many times that craved for a family.

 

Finally has one and completely ignores his son and wife. Remember we also saw how much Naruto wanted a family in Road To Ninja, we saw how happy that made him. And now he would rather drink, eat ramen from a can and go on Facebook than spend time with his own son. There’s no way in hell that this is Naruto. This isn’t the kid that we’ve followed for so many years; this isn’t the same character that was filled with love, that showed caring and love even to his worst enemies. Remember back in the day when Naruto acted badly. Iruka would’ve talked to him and treat him to Ichiraku. The third Hokage would’ve just laughed. None of them would’ve treated Naruto like he treats his own child.

 

But the way Naruto treats his own son is exactly the same he was treated by the villagers. Naruto didn’t become the solution to the problem, he became the problem. He’s own kid is treated like trash. He tells his kid to deal with it because he would rather spend time in his office doing nothing; I mean really what was he doing? Drinking, eating ramen and going on Facebook. His own son even wrote on the Hokage monument “sh*tty dad”. That’s catastrophically bad. And this shouldn’t even exist.

I mean ok he ended up with a girl he never loved. But why should the kid be punished because he never had the guts to tell Sakura how he really feels. He just gave up.

 

To be continued.


Edited by Nostradamus, 23 November 2014 - 05:47 PM.

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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 05:21 PM

I don’t even know where to begin with this. First of all I want you guys and girls to read what I’m about to write here and pay very close attention. And the most important thing, think about what I’m saying.

Secondly as you know or don’t know I am a NaruSaku fan. However I’m a Naruto fan first. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t have bothered to read/follow this story in the first place for so many years. I care about the story, the characters, the messages it tries to send more than I care about Narusaku.

Before I start I recommend all of you to go right now on Google and search for “how not to write and ending” or “the do's and don'ts of endings” so you can understand what a writer should do in an ending and he/she shouldn’t do.

 

Ever since I read this ending, I’ve been desperately trying to understand what the hell I just read. Every single time I think about it I get headaches. And I can’t believe this catastrophe. The first time I saw the spoilers and I said to myself that those are fake, but then the chapters got released and I actually saw that those spoilers weren’t fake. I sort of went in a sort of depression, not really a depression but you get what I mean, I was confused and I felt really strange for about a week and wasn’t able to think properly. This is what happens when you allow yourself to get attached emotionally to a fictional story. I’m never going to do that ever again. But after I let go of my emotions and let myself think properly and objectively look at this ending. I came to a simple conclusion. This ending makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Now you might say well you’re just a Narusakutard that can’t accept that Naruto and Sakura didn’t end up together and now you’re just kittening about it. But like I said above I’m a Naruto fan first and a NaruSaku fan second. Throughout this rant I’m constantly going to remind you of that in order for you to understand that I care about the story and everything else more than I care about NaruSaku.

 

So let’s begin. Naruto’s ending is the worst ending in the history of storytelling. You see everything an ending should be like provide resolution, resound the themes, and provide closure on the sub-plots and the characters. Give some of these characters their moment to shine. All these things it should do it fails at, doesn’t care to or does something completely ridiculous. The characters are completely out of character (in case you have no idea what that means, it means when a character behaves outside their established personality), the lore is just destroyed, things happen without any explanation or exposition. It’s unbelievably poorly put together. Or it’s just one giant lie, more on that later.

 

Remember this isn’t me kittening that my favorite pairing didn’t happen therefore the story sucks. It’s something so much bigger than the pairings.

You see an ending should answer previous questions that were raised during the story. This ending not only that it didn’t bother to answer the questions that were raised but it completely ignores them like these things never even existed. Plus it actually gave us more questions. Nothing got answered in this ending and nothing makes any sense in this so called ending.

 

First let’s look at this ending and see these brand new questions. But before that I’m going to talk about lore. Lore is established information and knowledge we learned about the universe in which the story takes place. When a question of lore is raised in an existing scene either contradicts pre-established info or creates new lore with no explanation. Expecting the reader to believe it somehow. The first problem is called a retcon, the second is poor exposition. In the former this is what happens when the writer is unable to remember the details he/she wrote. In the latter the writer is to lazy establish new ideas properly through basic techniques by using details and exposition.

 

Space Reasons

Space Reasons 2

Space Reasons 3

Space Reasons 4

 

Ok enough with the pairings. Now some people said that Kishi sold out, that he sold out and that’s why we got a NH/SS ending. Ok that would explain those two pairings; however it doesn’t explain all the other crap that is present in this ending.

For example: Why did Naruto gave up, why he treats his own son like that. Some of you might find it funny that Naruto’s son is acting exactly like Naruto was when he was a kid. You’ll say it’s a parallel, it’s entertaining. However that’s exactly the problem. Naruto changed. Look at the child’s behavior. It’s very clear that he’s being neglected. You can’t possibly tell me that Naruto the character that understands pain, suffering and loneliness better than anyone else. The character that we’ve seen so many times that craved for a family.

 

Finally has one and completely ignores his son and wife. Remember we also saw how much Naruto wanted a family in Road To Ninja, we saw how happy that made him. And now he would rather drink, eat ramen from a can and go on Facebook than spend time with his own son. There’s no way in hell that this is Naruto. This isn’t the kid that we’ve followed for so many years; this isn’t the same character that was filled with love, that showed caring and love even to his worst enemies. Remember back in the day when Naruto acted badly. Iruka would’ve talked to him and treat him to Ichiraku. The third Hokage would’ve just laughed. None of them would’ve treated Naruto like he treats his own child.

 

But the way Naruto treats his own son is exactly the same he was treated by the villagers. Naruto didn’t become the solution to the problem, he became the problem. He’s own kid is treated like trash. He tells his kid to deal with it because he would rather spend time in his office doing nothing; I mean really what was he doing? Drinking, eating ramen and going on Facebook. His own son even wrote on the Hokage monument “sh*tty dad”. That’s catastrophically bad. And this shouldn’t even exist.

I mean ok he ended up with a girl he never loved. But why should the kid be punished because he never had the guts to tell Sakura how he really feels. He just gave up.

 

To be continued.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 05:25 PM

This isn’t the Naruto that was portrayed for the last 698 chapters. Now you understand how out of character Naruto really is? The Naruto that we knew would laugh and remember the old times and go and talk with his son and hang out with him. You know like he did with Konohamaru. He treated Konohamaru better than his own son. There’s no way in hell that this ending is real.

Another example: Where the hell did Naruto’s smile disappear? You know his iconic smile that even Jiraiya noticed and said that his smile will save the world. Hell even Hinata said that Naruto’s smile saved her. So where is that smile? What we got is a forced smile, a smile that shows regret. He’s regretting his life, the decisions he made.

 

Yet another example: What the hell happened to Anko? You remember her? The bad ass chick that was Orochimaru’s student and even fought with him. Is now a fat chick that it appears that she ate Ichiraku.

What happened to Ten-Ten’s dream? Remember she wanted to become a legendary Kunoichi like Tsunade. Yes she ended up selling weapons, because that was her dream right?

What happened to Kushina’s last words to Naruto? Ok fine Naruto didn’t end up with a girl like Kushina told him, but why the hell did Naruto decide to completely ignore the rest of her dying wishes?

 

For example she told Naruto to make lots of friends. What we got in this ending is a lonely Naruto that not only doesn’t spend time with his own family but doesn’t even spend time with his friends.

She even told him to eat more vegetables. What did we get? He eats only ramen and bought ramen, not even a home cooked meal. Great job Naruto you shat all over your mother’s dying wises. You know the one that give you your life and even sacrificed herself to save you. Is this really the same Naruto? Hell no.

What the hell happened to this current generation? Remember the theme? The next generation always surpasses the previous one. Well this one didn’t surpass the previous one at all. They completely forgot everything they’ve learned and gave up on life and now they’re waiting for death to come knocking on their door so they can go to the other world. There isn’t a single character in this entire ending that’s happy. Not even one. They’re sad, miserable and old. Hell even the kids are miserable.

 

This generation not only that gave up but ended up worse than all the previous generations combined.

Naruto didn’t surpass Minato, Jiraiya, Hashirama or hell even Obito. He surpassed none of them and ended up way worse than any of them.

Is this really why so many characters sacrificed their lives and believed in them, so everyone can just give up and everything.

 

Characters like Itachi, Shikaku, Obito, Jiraiya, Inoichi, Lady Chiyo, Minato, Kushina, Nagato and others. Granted some of these characters were killed. But still the point still remains. Why does this generation completely and utterly ignore everything these people believed in and gave up on their lives?

Ino ended up a housewife, instead of leading her clan, continuing to improve her father’s technique.

Hinata instead of leading her clan, honoring Neji the guy that gave his life to protect her. Ends up a housewife that her own husband ignores. Also she said that she also wants to stay by Naruto’s side. Well why don’t we see that? If NaruHina is canon then why the hell don’t we see her with Naruto?

 

Space Reasons

 

Space Reasons 2

 

Space Reasons 3

 

Space Reasons 4

 

So here we are at the end of my rant. Before I finish this, I need to say something. If this is truly how the writer ended his story and if that theory is wrong. And this is truly it.

 

Then I refuse to acknowledge it. For me the story ended at chapter 698. And from there I can make my own ending. And I suggest that you do the same. Regardless of what type of Naruto fan you are. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Naruto fan, an average reader, and hardcore reader, a NaruSaku fan or a NaruHina fan. Yes even you NaruHina fans. Because you can’t possibly tell me you’re satisfied with this ending. I’ve created my previous rants based on your arguments. So I know how you think, probably better than you do. And you seriously can’t tell me that you’re truly satisfied with how your pairing has portrayed. And if you do you’re lying to yourself. Even if you get your NaruHina fix in the upcoming movie take an honest look where that pairing is headed. Naruto is a dead beat father and horrible husband that doesn’t even spend time with his own wife. Yeah NaruHina has beautifully portrayed in this ending don’t you think? Seriously the relationship between those two didn’t change at all. The only thing is that they slept together, produced two kids that Hinata has to take care of because Naruto would rather stay at work eating ramen and going on Facebook.

 

So make your own ending. But stay true to these characters, give them resolution, resolve the sub-plots, resound the themes don't abandon them. And the most important thing do not destroy hope. But inspire it.

 

However you choose to end the story is up to you. Make it a sad ending or make a happy ending. You decide but whatever you do stay true to these characters, stay true to everything we’ve seen so far, and don’t make characters go 180 on themselves and honor the character that gave their lives believing in this generation. And no matter how you choose to end the story. Never destroy hope. But inspire it because that's the most important thing.


Edited by Nostradamus, 27 November 2014 - 04:52 PM.

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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 05:39 PM

This is amazing, agreed with everything.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:14 PM

I was thinking of the SS relationship, and how if it was properly explored I could have accepted it.  A parallel example is Gajeel and Levy in Fairy Tail.  He frickin crucifies her (literally) in their first encounter.  She's wary of him even after he "reforms" and gets a second chance.  But then he saves her from an attack, taking the hits instead, probably to even the score a bit and punish himself for what he did to her.   Their development begins during the Laxus insurrection arc, when he discovers that a non-battle mage can be strong in other ways and calls her "amazing" as she deciphers runes on the fly.  It really takes off during the S-rank exams arc when he offers to be her partner (mostly because he himself wasn't selected as a candidate) and they discover they make a good team.  After that, they start getting covers together, and in the most recent arc they get an unexpected air-exchange kiss (which we assumed was a parallel to the NarSaku CPR moment), making them the first 100% confirmed couple in the whole series,.

 

Now that is a tale of redemption.  That is character and relationship development.  It's masterful, and that's why they're probably the most popular ship in the whole manga at this point.  

 

As for SS, he's still being a total kitten to her in the very last few chapters of the manga.  Sasuke has done nothing to earn a genuine relationship with Sakura. He is not worthy of her. 


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:18 PM

I don't see any resemblance at all between Himawari and Lee and Bolt and Sakura :/.

other than than, you made some good points.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:35 PM

Exactly what it is.

 

You wrote everything.

 

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:40 PM

I was thinking of the SS relationship, and how if it was properly explored I could have accepted it.  A parallel example is Gajeel and Levy in Fairy Tail.  He frickin crucifies her (literally) in their first encounter.  She's wary of him even after he "reforms" and gets a second chance.  But then he saves her from an attack, taking the hits instead, probably to even the score a bit and punish himself for what he did to her.   Their development begins during the Laxus insurrection arc, when he discovers that a non-battle mage can be strong in other ways and calls her "amazing" as she deciphers runes on the fly.  It really takes off during the S-rank exams arc when he offers to be her partner (mostly because he himself wasn't selected as a candidate) and they discover they make a good team.  After that, they start getting covers together, and in the most recent arc they get an unexpected air-exchange kiss (which we assumed was a parallel to the NarSaku CPR moment), making them the first 100% confirmed couple in the whole series,.

 

Now that is a tale of redemption.  That is character and relationship development.  It's masterful, and that's why they're probably the most popular ship in the whole manga at this point.  

 

As for SS, he's still being a total kitten to her in the very last few chapters of the manga.  Sasuke has done nothing to earn a genuine relationship with Sakura. He is not worthy of her. 

I haven't read Fairy Tail but from what you described that sounds a lot better than SS.

Sasuke is not really worthy of anyone, personally I still say he should've died. But Kishi really loves Sasuke and he also made every single character in the story fall in love with him. No matter how he behaves. As long as he say sorry all is forgiven and forgotten. 


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:54 PM

You are so so right. I always thought that the good ending will come to us as long as we follow Kishi's message and never give up. But then after reading Kishi's interview I was so pissed off, I just stopped thinking anymore and making IT theories that gives any kind of credit to Kishi. Currently I'm too blinded in my disgust for Kishi that I can't think of any new theories like I used to, and my hate for him is telling me he'll succeed in disappointing me more. But my rational mind is saying that you are more correct in this and that there MUST be an explanation why all of this is so wrong in the movie. After all, Kishi did say to read chapter 700 AFTER the movie. Also there are different timelines in the same chapter, like Shikamaru having a beard and one that he doesn't, Boruto and Himawari being of different age when they're same in the movie, Tsunade's clothes and hairstyle different from one panel to the next and most of all, Kurama sleeping.

I hope you are right. And I applaud you for making a five star rant.
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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:03 PM


 

But the way Naruto treats his own son is exactly the same he was treated by the villagers. Naruto didn’t become the solution to the problem, he became the problem. He’s own kid is treated like trash. He tells his kid to deal with it because he would rather spend time in his office doing nothing; I mean really what was he doing? Drinking, eating ramen and going on Facebook. His own son even wrote on the Hokage monument “sh*tty dad”. That’s catastrophically bad. And this shouldn’t even exist.

I mean ok he ended up with a girl he never loved. But why should the kid be punished because he never had the guts to tell Sakura how he really feels. He just gave up.

 

To be continued.

 Well the space reason about the children getting whiskers is kind of useless. You do realise that the kids are made from Naruto's sperms right? His genes do contain kurama's chakra now, so them having whiskers is completely legit.

 

And now about the thing I underlined. I feel that you can definitely blame Naruto for being a sh*tty dad(we all do), but you simply can't blame him for not confessing to Sakura. Why should a sensible guy under any conditions confess to a girl who just ignored him and was so ready to leave him behind for the man who tried to kill her and did nothing for her all these years? I think that was a good thing that Naruto didn't confess, but I would have liked to see some interaction between them where Naruto was shown with the sad smile or something like that when Sakura said she was ready to leave with Sasuke.

 

In the end Naruto didn't give up, he just moved on, yes he might have made Hinata a silver medal, but that is how it is. Naruto couldn't have done anything else to show Sakura his love for her. Sai had already told Sakura about his feelings and Sakura just didn't came to feel that way for Naruto in the end. Sakura chose to be a fangirl whereas Naruto decided to start a family and not wait/hope for Sakura to get a divorce.

 

So I myself don't like anyone except Jiraiya, Kushina and Minato anymore, but still whenever I see someone saying Naruto didn't had the guts to confess, it is just wrong.

 

NO SENSIBLE MAN WILL CONFESS TO A GIRL HE KNOWS IS NOT IN LOVE WITH HIM BUT INSTEAD LOVES SOMEONE ELSE, UNLESS AND UNTIL HE OR THAT GIRL MIGHT BE IN A DYING SITUATION IS DESPERATE TO GET REJECTED, LOSE SELF RESPECT.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:03 PM

Great rant. Take all the likes.



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:03 PM

You are so so right. I always thought that the good ending will come to us as long as we follow Kishi's message and never give up. But then after reading Kishi's interview I was so pissed off, I just stopped thinking anymore and making IT theories that gives any kind of credit to Kishi. Currently I'm too blinded in my disgust for Kishi that I can't think of any new theories like I used to, and my hate for him is telling me he'll succeed in disappointing me more. But my rational mind is saying that you are more correct in this and that there MUST be an explanation why all of this is so wrong in the movie. After all, Kishi did say to read chapter 700 AFTER the movie. Also there are different timelines in the same chapter, like Shikamaru having a beard and one that he doesn't, Boruto and Himawari being of different age when they're same in the movie, Tsunade's clothes and hairstyle different from one panel to the next and most of all, Kurama sleeping.

I hope you are right. And I applaud you for making a five star rant.

Once again thank you. But correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you said that Kishi said to read chapter 700 before the movie not after.

Like I said if this is truly the end then I refuse to acknowledge it. I will make my own ending. Because nothing in 700 makes any sense. The more I think about it the more stuff I find that's broken.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:03 PM

Agreed with a lot of your points. The ending really did just create more questions than answers, almost like it was all for the sake of shock value rather than making sense. Not gonna lie, the ending wasn't the only thing retconned in Naruto - a lot of part 2 seemed to have opposite messages than were introduced in part 1. Naruto as the Chosen One, for example. Um, why??

 

Pretty much everything after the Pain Arc...is where things start turning backwards. Pain Arc is were Naruto got his acknowledgement anyways, so it would've been a better point to wrap things up. The ninja war was pointless. All the ninja holding hands and fighting together doesn't help Naruto's character. Naruto becoming a god doesn't help his character. His peak for acceptance was defeating Pain. Everything after that just seemed to transform him into an unrelatable person.

 

As far as the timeskip ending in 700...yeah, it's all wrong. Pretty ironic Naruto is teaching his child to endure in a world where ninja aren't needed anymore. No wonder he drinks.



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:29 PM

Once again thank you. But correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you said that Kishi said to read chapter 700 before the movie not after.
Like I said if this is truly the end then I refuse to acknowledge it. I will make my own ending. Because nothing in 700 makes any sense. The more I think about it the more stuff I find that's broken.

Oh did I write after? Sorry, my careless mistake caused from sleepiness. Yes, Kishi strongly requested to read chapter 700 BEFORE the movie.

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:30 PM

Oh did I write after? Sorry, my careless mistake caused from sleepiness. Yes, Kishi strongly requested to read chapter 700 BEFORE the movie.

 

any excuse to justify his ending in order to give a sense to this movie.

 

reader: WTF? NARUHINA??? SASUSAKU???CHOUJIKARUI?INOSAI????????

Kishi: Good, now that you have read the final chapter, you must to see the movie for have some sense in this ending. :th_yeah:


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:31 PM

 Well the space reason about the children getting whiskers is kind of useless. You do realise that the kids are made from Naruto's sperms right? His genes do contain kurama's chakra now, so them having whiskers is completely legit.

 

And now about the thing I underlined. I feel that you can definitely blame Naruto for being a sh*tty dad(we all do), but you simply can't blame him for not confessing to Sakura. Why should a sensible guy under any conditions confess to a girl who just ignored him and was so ready to leave him behind for the man who tried to kill her and did nothing for her all these years? I think that was a good thing that Naruto didn't confess, but I would have liked to see some interaction between them where Naruto was shown with the sad smile or something like that when Sakura said she was ready to leave with Sasuke.

 

In the end Naruto didn't give up, he just moved on, yes he might have made Hinata a silver medal, but that is how it is. Naruto couldn't have done anything else to show Sakura his love for her. Sai had already told Sakura about his feelings and Sakura just didn't came to feel that way for Naruto in the end. Sakura chose to be a fangirl whereas Naruto decided to start a family and not wait/hope for Sakura to get a divorce.

 

So I myself don't like anyone except Jiraiya, Kushina and Minato anymore, but still whenever I see someone saying Naruto didn't had the guts to confess, it is just wrong.

 

NO SENSIBLE MAN WILL CONFESS TO A GIRL HE KNOWS IS NOT IN LOVE WITH HIM BUT INSTEAD LOVES SOMEONE ELSE, UNLESS AND UNTIL HE OR THAT GIRL MIGHT BE IN A DYING SITUATION IS DESPERATE TO GET REJECTED, LOSE SELF RESPECT.

First of all I hope you do realize you're trying to justify something that makes no sense and it goes against pre-established information. Those kids having whiskers marks makes no sense.

I can blame Naruto for giving up on Sakura, because that's what he did. You can't possible tell me that the character that has been portrayed and said that will surpass everyone before him in the end gave up. Take a look at Jiraiya he loved Tsunade all his life even when Tsunade was with Dan. Another great example Obito, this guy started a war because of 12 year old girl and he never gave up on that love for her. Even when it was childish and stupid. Remember Naruto is the one that no matter what never changes and never gives up.

 

Even though it annoys me to say this but Naruto moving on but could've been integrated and it could've made some sense if it was done right. Have Naruto confess and then Sakura tells him sorry I just don't have those feelings for you. And then Naruto moves on. That's the problem all that love that Naruto had/has for Sakura was just forgotten and not mentioned again. Like it didn't even exist.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:42 PM

Oh did I write after? Sorry, my careless mistake caused from sleepiness. Yes, Kishi strongly requested to read chapter 700 BEFORE the movie.

So people should read the chapter before watching the movie, bizarre really. I mean what's the point of reading the ending and then going to see how it got there. Well when the movie comes out we'll finally get our answers. Though I doubt we're going to get all the answers.

 

 

any excuse to justify his ending in order to give a sense to this movie.

 

reader: WTF? NARUHINA??? SASUSAKU???CHOUJIKARUI?INOSAI????????

Kishi: Good, now that you have read the final chapter, you must to see the movie for have some sense in this ending. :th_yeah:

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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 08:32 PM

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 09:00 PM

 Well the space reason about the children getting whiskers is kind of useless. You do realise that the kids are made from Naruto's sperms right? His genes do contain kurama's chakra now, so them having whiskers is completely legit.

 

And now about the thing I underlined. I feel that you can definitely blame Naruto for being a sh*tty dad(we all do), but you simply can't blame him for not confessing to Sakura. Why should a sensible guy under any conditions confess to a girl who just ignored him and was so ready to leave him behind for the man who tried to kill her and did nothing for her all these years? I think that was a good thing that Naruto didn't confess, but I would have liked to see some interaction between them where Naruto was shown with the sad smile or something like that when Sakura said she was ready to leave with Sasuke.

 

In the end Naruto didn't give up, he just moved on, yes he might have made Hinata a silver medal, but that is how it is. Naruto couldn't have done anything else to show Sakura his love for her. Sai had already told Sakura about his feelings and Sakura just didn't came to feel that way for Naruto in the end. Sakura chose to be a fangirl whereas Naruto decided to start a family and not wait/hope for Sakura to get a divorce.

 

So I myself don't like anyone except Jiraiya, Kushina and Minato anymore, but still whenever I see someone saying Naruto didn't had the guts to confess, it is just wrong.

 

NO SENSIBLE MAN WILL CONFESS TO A GIRL HE KNOWS IS NOT IN LOVE WITH HIM BUT INSTEAD LOVES SOMEONE ELSE, UNLESS AND UNTIL HE OR THAT GIRL MIGHT BE IN A DYING SITUATION IS DESPERATE TO GET REJECTED, LOSE SELF RESPECT.

Well who is to blam for that then Oh RIGHT KISHI HE SAID IT HIM SELF AFTER ALL HE DIDN'T CARE TO HAVE SAKURA MOVE ON AND ALL YOU DO MAN IS kitten ON HER AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. I MEAN ITS NOT HER FAULT AGAIN ITS KISHI'S FAULT AS HE SUCKS AT DOING WOMAN.

 

So I agree with Nostradamus it is Naruto fault after all he was the one that made Sakura fail more in love with him remember chapter 3 Naruto looking like Sasuke oh yeah that was never brought up by Naruto again Kishi not Sakura who you seem to keep blaming when any any writer would have had her move on but not Kisdhi again his fault not Sakura's SO STOP DIGGING AT HER!



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 09:18 PM

Damn that was long.

 

But I agree. The thing that makes this ending so hard to swallow, is the fact that it literally abandons everything the previous 698 chapters established. It's characters were reverted back to their part one selves, or worse, some characters completely disappeared, and nothing was resolved on screen, besides Naruto being Hokage and even then, we don't know the process.

 

Kishi seems to have shat on his entire story and that's why I can't believe this. That's why I can't just move on, because I need an explanation on how something so atrocious could occur at the end of this 15 year long series. Sadly, there's a chance I may never get any real closure, but hopefully with time I can move on completely.


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