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#29901 milan kyuubi

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Posted 19 October 2021 - 06:14 PM

I don't think there will be any reboot. Here's why.

Economists use the concept of opportunity cost to explain decision-making and the potential for regret. In other words, it's the regret you anticipate having for not making a choice.

Opportunity cost is the forgone benefit that would have been derived by an option not chosen.

The metapoint of being consistent with the story (in which making NaruSaku happens was part of it) is an opportunity cost. The publisher went ahead serving the loud minority, thrown away character development of 15 years and gave the loyal fans one of the most attricious, unsatisfactory ending in manga history. Of course they paid a hefty price for it, with now Naruto sales merely 10% of the original series, or even less.

In 15 years, Naruto original manga sold ~250 million copies. Whereas Boruto barely sold ~5 million in its 7 years run.

Now, here's the thing: you can't recover opportunity cost.

No matter what they do, the ship has sailed and whatever benefits they may realize are no longer there. Course correct now would be a waste of effort.

Look at how Kishi's new manga got axed within 5 volumes. Its first volume barely sold 10k copies in the first week. He can try again and I'll guarantee he'll get the same treatment from Japanese readers. I bet you that no sane editor out there in WSJ would want to put Kishimoto's name in their project. It'd be a good recipe for project failure. It's been more than a year since Samurai 8 was cancelled and there's a good reason no rumors of Kishi starting a new work or series.

So, why bother making a reboot when they don't even treat their loyal customer right?

You are correct.

 

But Naruto wasn't just any manga/anime. It was in top 3 for years. And iirc #1 internationally. It's obvious fans would reject new works from Kishimoto. But Shounen Jump knows Naruto can still be milked. They know they can dangle the carrot and a lot of people will answer the bait. Simple there is to much money in Naruto to be made. Them not rebooting it in any way seams stupid. A simple market research would tell hem where they went wrong the first time. And remake it basically opposite of what we got. In the end everything depends on money.


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Posted 19 October 2021 - 06:40 PM

Hate implies he still somewhat cares. More like he is indifferent to them unless they do something to praise his name.

The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.

 

Bold: Isn't that the way many villagers treated Naruto? Why he made a fool out of himself to draw attention. Good or bad. Did not matter to him as long as they acknowledge him in any way.

 

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To think he treats his "family" the same way just shows how far everyone involved working on Naruto failed.
 


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Posted 19 October 2021 - 07:08 PM

 
Bold: Isn't that the way many villagers treated Naruto? Why he made a fool out of himself to draw attention. Good or bad. Did not matter to him as long as they acknowledge him in any way.
 
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To think he treats his "family" the same way just shows how far everyone involved working on Naruto failed.
 


Agreed, and it just perpetuates the true curse of hatred which can be indifference, something even Hiruzen was guilty of along with too many others, and the fact even he couldnt honor what Minato and Kushina wanted for their son, on top of Danzo stoking the flames of hate and indifference towards Naruto to hope to use his power from Orochimaru to control Naruto and Kurama.

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Posted 19 October 2021 - 08:08 PM

You are correct.

 

But Naruto wasn't just any manga/anime. It was in top 3 for years. And iirc #1 internationally. It's obvious fans would reject new works from Kishimoto. But Shounen Jump knows Naruto can still be milked. They know they can dangle the carrot and a lot of people will answer the bait. Simple there is to much money in Naruto to be made. Them not rebooting it in any way seams stupid. A simple market research would tell hem where they went wrong the first time. And remake it basically opposite of what we got. In the end everything depends on money.

It was, now it isn't. That what's important to these companies. It was at the top of its game years ago, now its yesterday's news. The thing that stops them from even considering a reboot is, "how much is it going to cost them to do a reboot and how much money could they potentially make compared to what they are making from Boruto?" They already gambled on potential success once and it didn't work out, why try again?

 

Bold: Isn't that the way many villagers treated Naruto? Why he made a fool out of himself to draw attention. Good or bad. Did not matter to him as long as they acknowledge him in any way.

 

To think he treats his "family" the same way just shows how far everyone involved working on Naruto failed.

If you beat a dog enough, it will flinch whenever you raise your hand.

 

Like I said, Naruto is more given up then anything else. Which seems to come from both the stress of his job and the hostility he get from his son wearing him down. Not from outright uncaringness nor fear like the villagers did. 

 

Granted, chapter 700 did have Bolt act like Naruto did at the start of his manga, paralleling them, which means Naruto's neglect was equal/similar to how the village neglected him. Which is either is true or makes Bolt come off as an overreacting entitled spoiled brat. Both and anime and manga make it come off as the latter. In that, he was such an aggressive unlikeable spoiled brat that he chased off his father.


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Posted 19 October 2021 - 08:54 PM

 

Bold: Isn't that the way many villagers treated Naruto? Why he made a fool out of himself to draw attention. Good or bad. Did not matter to him as long as they acknowledge him in any way.

 

To think he treats his "family" the same way just shows how far everyone involved working on Naruto failed.
 

It is a fine line to be sure, but true indifference means like....you couldn't care less. Like being indifferent to random players in a multiplayer game. Yeah, they exist and maybe for the moment they could be an opposition, but you are only focused on the game objective and not the player itself. Their problems in life have no effect on yours so...yeah.

In Naruto's case...the adults hated him because he was the beast that destroyed their village.
The kids on the other hand ranged from love to hate to even some of them being indifferent like how Shikamaru, Ino, and many others really just knew Naruto existed, but not care enough to be invested. At least not at first.


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Posted 27 October 2021 - 03:03 AM

Hey guys, hope you’re doing well. Just had a quick question regarding a fanfic I think could have been deleted, was hoping you guys could help. It just came to me last night and it’s bothering me lol. Don’t have the name of the fic or the author (obviously), but I remember the plot. Essentially, Naruto and Sakura are married and have a kid together, but Sasuke is dead (Naruto tried and failed to bring him back). It’s either once a year or once every full moon or something, but Sasuke’s “ghost” haunts Naruto while he’s asleep because he can’t let it go, and Sakura has to pick up the kid and watch as it happens because she can’t do anything else. Iirc she pleads with his ghost to leave Naruto alone and he does, can’t really remember how it ends. Does that sound familiar to anyone else? It’s killing me lol.

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Posted 27 October 2021 - 02:42 PM

Hey guys, hope you’re doing well. Just had a quick question regarding a fanfic I think could have been deleted, was hoping you guys could help. It just came to me last night and it’s bothering me lol. Don’t have the name of the fic or the author (obviously), but I remember the plot. Essentially, Naruto and Sakura are married and have a kid together, but Sasuke is dead (Naruto tried and failed to bring him back). It’s either once a year or once every full moon or something, but Sasuke’s “ghost” haunts Naruto while he’s asleep because he can’t let it go, and Sakura has to pick up the kid and watch as it happens because she can’t do anything else. Iirc she pleads with his ghost to leave Naruto alone and he does, can’t really remember how it ends. Does that sound familiar to anyone else? It’s killing me lol.

I think this is what you're looking for? https://www.fanficti...8308113/1/Yurei


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Posted 01 November 2021 - 03:12 AM

I think this is what you're looking for? https://www.fanficti...8308113/1/Yurei

That was it! Thank you very much, was driving me nuts. And it was written by KnS, how could I have forgotten? Thank you!

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Posted 02 November 2021 - 01:04 AM

It is a fine line to be sure, but true indifference means like....you couldn't care less. Like being indifferent to random players in a multiplayer game. Yeah, they exist and maybe for the moment they could be an opposition, but you are only focused on the game objective and not the player itself. Their problems in life have no effect on yours so...yeah.
In Naruto's case...the adults hated him because he was the beast that destroyed their village.
The kids on the other hand ranged from love to hate to even some of them being indifferent like how Shikamaru, Ino, and many others really just knew Naruto existed, but not care enough to be invested. At least not at first.


And that's why I feel the indifference is the real curse of hatred. What also sucks is Danzo was much worse by manipulating the anger the adults had about what Kurama did to them and how he wanted to use Kurama's power for himself to become Hokage.

What's worse is Hiruzen let his indifference do this to try to be a fair and impartial leader, but I still feel he hated Naruto because he blamed his birth for his wife dying as Kushina's midwife, and just allowed what happened to Naruto to happen and his inability to even honor Minato and Kushina's wish to have Naruto be seen as a hero for becoming Kurama's third Jinchuriki.

And I see that indifference at times too in Sasuke's fate when the massacre occurred. He was just heaped with praise so much when it happened, which likely boosted his ego much like Katsuki was like in My Hero Academia.

Which is a shame since if there was less indifference, things could have gone better, and we wouldn't see the same mistakes being repeated now in canon and trying to justify it occurring in Boruto.

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Posted 02 November 2021 - 10:09 AM

Hey founded this thread on sakura that might be interesting though I'm not sure if what will everyone here thinks of it https://twitter.com/...B-3lQRA9RA&s=19

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Posted 02 November 2021 - 10:17 AM

Mm, what is the stance on her on that link, if you dont mind me asking?

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Posted 02 November 2021 - 10:38 AM

Mm, what is the stance on her on that link, if you dont mind me asking?


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Posted 02 November 2021 - 11:11 AM

I think it's kind of interesting seeing how similar the Kishimoto brothers portrayed a scene of protecting/saving the girl they cherished in their respective series.  Masashi Kishimoto represented this with Naruto vowing desperately to protect Sakura, and likewise you see a similar case from Seishi Kishimoto in how he portrayed Jio vowing to save Ruby in O-Parts Hunter (666 Satan) 

 

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In case anyone is worried, all I'm gonna say  is that Seishi didn't treat  Jio Freed x Ruby with the same disrespect at the end of O-Parts Hunter (666 Satan (in Japan)) Everything narratively tied back with respect to their character arcs from the beginning unlike with what his older twin Masashi did with Naruto and Sakura at the end of Naruto.


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Posted 02 November 2021 - 09:38 PM

Her displaying characteristics of someone having a inferiority complex


Funny how this fandumb simps over Hinata’s inferiority complex. But Sakura’s is not a blip on most viewers’ radars. :roll:

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Posted 03 November 2021 - 12:47 AM

Funny how this fandumb simps over Hinatas inferiority complex. But Sakuras is not a blip on most viewers radars. :roll:


From what I have seen of the twitter user this thread is a defence of sakura's character not an attack

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Posted 03 November 2021 - 01:26 AM

Hey founded this thread on sakura that might be interesting though I'm not sure if what will everyone here thinks of it https://twitter.com/...B-3lQRA9RA&s=19

 

The inferiority complex of Haruno Sakura, a thread.

 

By comparison, I feel like such a...”
 
This is the typical thought that come out someone’s mind suffering from an inferiority complex. A person suffering from this complex sees only their failures — their failures take over their qualities and the comparison with others is systematic.
 
The author Masashi Kishimoto had implemented it with such a great subtlety that catches my full attention. So I’m making this thread in order to analyze this interesting aspect of genin Sakura.
 
Well before I start, I want to inform you that I’m going to make threads about all Naruto’s female characters and I’m starting with Naruto’s tritagonist “Haruno Sakura”.
 
Inferiority complex is a fundamental sense of inadequacy and insecurity that leads to express a bad opinion on oneself, this subconscious opinion is usually an “obscure feeling” rather than a lucid judgement as a result of painful memories of mistakes made or external influences — parents for example.
 
The essence of this complex is to have a set of negative thoughts, feelings, behaviors and tendencies. To explain this more, lemme work out some complex’s major signs on Sakura’s 
character.
 
1. Exhibit personality traits such as perfectionism and neuroticism :
 
→ Sakura has shown a perfect superficial façade, polite — which contradict with Inner-Sakura (her true self), studious who would only be satisfied by obtaining the highest results at the academy. She also doesn’t want to hang out with noisy people who could ruin her reputation which explains why she didn’t want to be friend with Naruto — a noisy Kid.
 
Fact: 
 
Sakura “disliked” Naruto for his stupid pranks in the village and not because he was the demon fox, she didn’t even know what a bijū or a jinchuriki was until her the Gaara arc. 
 
She did never really hated Naruto. In fact, she didn’t know her feelings towards him.
 
→ Neuroticism characterizes a persistent tendency to experience negative emotions. It’s also associated with low emotional intelligence, which may involve decreased motivation and interpersonal activities — death.
 
To be honest, I think it's pointless to analyze this point further: Sakura is expressive, it’s a striking feature especially in the first part whether in her thoughts but also through the way she manifests her insecurities.
 
2. Shutting down out of shame, guilt, embarrassment or an inward sense of defeat:
 
Afraid to face reality, she ran away; claiming that she couldn’t be a friend with Yamanaka Ino because of Sasuke which was Ino’s point of view. 
 
With Sakura’s point of view, it was because her of her inferiority which is confirmed by the author himself in the Databook. Sakura used Sasuke as a lame excuse.
 
3. Demeaning others as way to transfer their own feeling of failure and isolation:
 
Sakura made fun of Naruto, it’s a way to transfer her own failure. A person suffering from an inferiority complex tends unfortunately to exhibit this behaviour a lot.
 
Sasuke shows some great maturity with her later; he understood that she didn’t do this on purpose. That’s why he complimented her, reminding her that she wasn’t alone and she must never downplay herself and to be proud of the progress she was making. There's also a striking proof for this; Sasuke pretended to forget the moment when she made of Naruto which clearly shows that he understood her.
 
There’s something I noticed, Sakura envied Naruto’s loneliness, if we look at the canon information about her parents from the Road to Ninja movie, they had humiliated her but I am interested in is their words. 
 
One of the major origins of this complex is family, a child whose highly critical parent repeatedly says things like “You’re stupid”, “You're a klutz” or “You never do anything right” may internalize this complex maybe even up to their adulthood.
 
Without even mentioning the fact that Sakura’s deepest desire was her parents’ death in canon which makes me wonder the horror she endured to come to wish this and it will remain a mystery forever.
 
Sakura seems to be no longer close to her family since she leaves always her daughter Sarada with Iruka sensei when she goes on missions.
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Informations : 
 
Sakura will have 7 threads and this is the first part. In the next thread I'm going to analyze her major thematic.

Here, just incase they delete this and I'm not dealing with images. Oh looks like they are going to have even more.

 

All of team 7 is a basket case of psychological issues. Sakura is merely the most normal out of all of them. Or, Naruto depending how you look at it. I will say the analysis is fair for the most part.

 

Let's go through the four groups they analyze: Her parents, Ino, Sasuke, and Naruto.

 

They are putting too much thought into why they aren't around in the sequel. The reason her parents aren't around in the sequel is that same reason that of the rest parents/grandparents aren't around in Boruto, besides Hinata's father. They just aren't being used and are being ignored by the writing team. Another reason they aren't around is they are another awkward reminder of NS because they were another parallel pairing, 'a high strung woman marries the clown she finds funny.' The Road of the ninja illusion world was made when she was complaining about her parents while Naruto was wishing for his, by not even the half way mark she missed her parents after enjoying her temporary freedom from them. Her parents were probably like they guess her father makes jokes to try to make her forget about her forehead insecurities and her mother probably just told her to ignore them and focus on her school work. 

 

Ino, they are right about. She was the girl that gave some help to Sakura when she was in a bad spot and gave her confidence and companionship. But, Sakura felt she was living in her shadow, so to escape she wanted to rival her in a match to see who could get Sasuke first who they both had a crush on. Ino understood this and became bitter that their friendship ended because of that. So, neither to attempt to meet each other to resolve the issue until the chunin exam where they had a draw.

 

Sasuke is an antisocial ass not a malicious prick. Yes, he thinks most people are beneath him to the point he doesn't want to be around them or care about them, but he doesn't go out of his way to express it, and he does have standards. When he was rude to Sakura it was because he was getting to the point; often about how he doesn't like her. Doesn't help that he can't understand why she even likes him, she just reminds him of the bench scene, and all he can think is, "you liked the time I basically called you a kitten?"

 

Naruto was the annoying unpopular brat that wouldn't stop bugging her. Then as she got to know him more she started to find admirable qualities and slowly fall in love with him. What prevented her from falling in love with him were realizing she was and her lingering feelings toward Sasuke. Neither which could be fully resolved till after Sasuke returned to the village and which Kishi refused to do because he became obsessed with making the SNS rematch the final battle. Sakura did in a way admire and envy Naruto's freedom even early on and did often have similar thoughts to his own. Which is likely why her façade dropped with him and she acted more naturally with him.

 

Funny how this fandumb simps over Hinata’s inferiority complex. But Sakura’s is not a blip on most viewers’ radars.

That's because to them Sakura is a kitten who doesn't put out and beats up their insert character (or denies their insert character the man she is entitled to have.) So she is an oppressor and therefor can't have suffered being the one who causes suffering, cannot have anything that makes she sympatric, and ultimately is just evil and you should feel no guilt when something bad happens to her because it is justice to them.


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Posted 03 November 2021 - 07:41 AM

Her displaying characteristics of someone having a inferiority complex

 

I know Chatte has been sharing some of it on Twitter too, Blue, and it's interesting considering I felt that Sasuke was one of the only main characters with something of an inferiority complex, stemming from his wanting to surpass Itachi so badly and be recognized by their father Fugaku, while also having a superiority complex thanks to so many people boosting his ego after the massacre to try to make him feel better, only showing a similar level of indifference to how the kids saw Naruto.



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Posted 03 November 2021 - 09:58 AM

I know Chatte has been sharing some of it on Twitter too, Blue, and it's interesting considering I felt that Sasuke was one of the only main characters with something of an inferiority complex, stemming from his wanting to surpass Itachi so badly and be recognized by their father Fugaku, while also having a superiority complex thanks to so many people boosting his ego after the massacre to try to make him feel better, only showing a similar level of indifference to how the kids saw Naruto.

All of team 7 is a basket case of psychological issues. Sakura is merely the most normal out of all of them.

 

You could also say Kakashi felt inferior survivors guilt from Obito dying.

 

You could also say Naruto felt inferior to Sasuke because he was popular so he wanted his recognition because it would mean he was accepted by everyone like Sasuke used to have.

 

So on and so forth.



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Posted 03 November 2021 - 06:19 PM

From what I have seen of the twitter user this thread is a defence of sakura's character not an attack


Oh yeah I get that. I meant that it’s good this person defends Sakura’s inferiority complex, but it’s funny how very overlooked that Sakura has one at all when so many others simp over Hinata’s own.

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Posted 03 November 2021 - 11:03 PM

All of team 7 is a basket case of psychological issues. Sakura is merely the most normal out of all of them.
 
You could also say Kakashi felt inferior survivors guilt from Obito dying.
 
You could also say Naruto felt inferior to Sasuke because he was popular so he wanted his recognition because it would mean he was accepted by everyone like Sasuke used to have.
 
So on and so forth.


Yeah, I so could. And Shikamaru can fall into survivors guilt territory as well with how he felt he failed Asuma





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