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Gurmeet

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#949571 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Gurmeet on 21 September 2017 - 03:05 PM

This is a rather silly dismissal. You can see in my post I am referencing the source in the cases I make when necessary. We all have the same source, and I very much remark with facts.
 
Let me summarize simply then, if need be: It -is- established that Naruto and Sakura relationship do not feel genuine romantic feelings for each other beyond a crush on Naruto's side. Chapter 3 and the Last when Naruto and Sakura talk about his feelings shows that this is primarily because of the rivalry with Sasuke (Chapter 3/The Last). We infer it is specifically Sakura chosen because Naruto says she is pretty (Chapter 3). Kishimoto wrote, on purpose, asked to be included, to help bring closure to those who didn't get it. (Interviews)
 
I sourced all of this by the way, in both the materials, and the interviews. This isn't really arguable, without people claiming conspiracy, which is silly. It is fact. And there's nothing wrong with that. 
 
You can argue this was done -badly-, or that it's poorly executed. But the intention is decisively as I am stating it is, in that the fact of the world is that there is no romantic NS, and that it was never intended by the author. Thought about, but ultimately he stuck with the plan. (Source: Interviews). 
 
I believe this little snippet should be enough of a retort to your demand of source: I do source, I do use facts. That is not an issue, never was. If you need it, happy to enclose the source between parenthesis.

Not facts assumption.Manga which are targeting the pre teens are not intended to read between the lines.


#949541 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Gurmeet on 21 September 2017 - 03:40 AM

I think the point to understand (Ignoring the personal jabs here) is that Sasuke significantly changed. 699 Sasuke is different. He has come to terms with things, he understands he was in the wrong. He was jailed for a time, before his journey of redemption. After so many chapters of spiraling into darkness, he is finally working on redemption. I suspect very few would choose Sasuke but not many can claim attachment to someone who spiraled into darkness that they loved. We can't really equate a Sasuke in real life, and I think if you loved someone like that, truly did, even if you didn't want to be with them, you would want the best for them.
 
Sasuke is always going to be socially stunted. This doesn't excuse his behavior, but explains it. SS isn't something I ship for that reason (as well as the angst), but as writing, it's pretty fascinating. 
 

 
693, really. Or anything in the 600s. Or even the False Confession, and when she is about to take him down. 
 
This isn't moved by shallow love he looks cool.
 
This is genuine love. 
 
Even her first confession touches on this.
 
Kakashi's words touch on this when he speaks to the three in the mid 600s.
 
A lot of places. 
 
I would even show that the Forest of Death scene where she tries to bring Sasuke out of the darkness. Not for some shallow superficial selfish reasons, but because she cares.

love isn't spontaneous.It takes time. Every relationship have 2 steps friendship and love.If we ask the question why Sakura was in love with saskue we never get any scenes all we could do is interpt.The forest of death scene can be interpted as it was first step towards friendship and remind you after that scene she was protecting both saskue and Naruto. Before the forest of death scene all we know that her love for him was because he is cool.Why I said Sakura love is a obsession because saskue has rejected her three times that he doesn't love her yet she is like you love me.If it was genuine love she would have let go of him after she had saved from his darkness.love is not binding someone love is all about letting go. The things you are talking about in 600s and 693 are mere tropes to justify the ending.Kakashi's words can be interpted by different fans in different meanings.


#949487 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Gurmeet on 20 September 2017 - 02:08 PM

Thing is we don't have any official numbers to go by, so we can't say this is bigger because here's the proof ...
Honestly I would say based on how much money The Last Retcon and The Burrito movie and everything else that they were willing to release data on, and seeing how things go on with the anime and manga now. Yes granted, one could argue that it's not doing well because it's not good enough to make people want it.
 
I would say the narusaku fans are the majority since most of them were also story fans, not just of the pairing. And story fans will always be a much larger group than pairing fans. The only exception to this rule is if the story is about romance.
Pairing fans have always been the loudest of the bunch. And NH fans were the loudest of them all.
I see it as the loudest minority vs the silent majority.

I know that Japan has more narusaku fans than naruhina I have read it somewhere don't remember where.


#949469 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Gurmeet on 20 September 2017 - 04:45 AM

 
Ah, but both NH and SS have roots stretching to the Chuunin Exams for the former, and chapter 3 for the latter. I think "Obsession" misunderstand's Sakura's love, it starts as a crush, and then grows into love. Kishimoto wasn't really writing romance, he laid the ground work, to which the Last becomes the culmination of romance for NH in the last, but there's no romance in the manga. And it makes sense: Naruto and Sasuke are both utterly focused on their goals. Romance is always at the wayside, never forefront in their minds. I'm not sure which confession Sakura's to Sasuke's, Hinata's to Naruto, Sakura's to Naruto, or Naruto's to Hinata you mean. 
 
Sasuke's words post Sakura's confession in 693 carry a strong suggestion of denied feelings, which explain his actions post battle with Naruto. I have said though that SS and all Team 7 bonds could really have used an earlier arch to flesh things out though. 

First of all what kisimoto says is very contradictory he said Naruto was a battle manga it was never a romance manga(even you admitted that) and after that he said I quote "I thought of putting a love triangle and see how it will play out".After the ending of manga he said that NH and ss planed from the beginning, see the contradiction.Also when he said that Sakura was a kiba type character now thats a stretch.A character which helps the main character grow and in 95% of the manga is compared to kiba level character it like comparing Ron from harry potter to a unnamed death eaters from book.

When the hell Sakura's crush changes to love when she had spent time with saskue even less than of karin. Even if I convince myself it changes from crush to love it was one sided love nothing more,nothing less.Saskue never said he loved her and the saskue's words post Sakura's confession was necessary because kisimoto had to convince the readers.